yeah, beats the sh*t out of some of his more recent shows. For a while it's felt like Joe having pull back and not ask what he REALLY wants to do, who to ask, but...trying to please someone else. All the twatty Spotify employees with purple hair and John Waters mustaches. (No offense to John, John's pretty cool.)
They stopped short of the craziest part of the story: "After years of adhering to the strict diet and nearing starvation, a monk was then buried alive in an underground chamber. Breathing through a bamboo tube, the monk sat in a lotus position and chanted sutra in the darkness. Each day he rang a bell inside the tomb to signal that he remained alive. When the peals finally ended, the air tube was removed and the tomb."
I can’t imagine how much pain these monks must have been in before they died. The fact that they continued through the whole process just demonstrates their determination and faith.
There are alot of Mummified Monks in Thailand. When you visit some of the Temples in the rural areas you can find them. It's usually the original abbot or a very well respected Monk there at some point. They even change the robes once a year and hold a ceremony to pay respect to them.
Yeah I saw one first hand over there. I initially thought it was a statue and then when I looked closer, I could see the eyelashes and texture of skin. He was painted in gold leaf and wearing a saffron robe surrounded by flowers. It was really beautiful
I am a Ch'an Buddhist, from the same denomination of Buddhism as Liuquan. Just want to clear up two things: 1) Liuquan was not a Buddha, but a Buddhist monk and 2) the emaciated statues are NOT of the Buddha, but of Siddhārtha BEFORE he became the Buddha. He, like many mystics in his time, tried the path of aestheticism. He thought that depriving oneself of virtually everything was a path to enlightenment. He almost drowned one day while bathing as he was so weak. A woman cowherder saw him and gave him nourishment with one of her cow's milk. At that moment he realized that aestheticism was extreme and radical and was NOT the right path to enlightenment. He was still NOT a Buddha at this point and not enlightened. Having said that, he was still not doing what Liuquan and other monks were doing. Siddhārtha was starving himself, the Ch'an monks were radicals who DID eat, just a limited diet. Their diet made up about 10 minutes of their day (monks eat at lunch time and that's it) and does not reflect their beliefs and practice (which was not radical) for the other 23 hours and 50 minutes of their day. Also, it is so exceedingly rare that monks tried this diet that in Japan where it was more "common" there are only 24 ever known to try it. Chinese monks DID NOT use this diet so they would die, they wanted to live as long as they could. It was NOT a "kamikaze" diet. As for his guest saying "He did something the Buddha couldn't." like Joe he knows next to nothing about Buddhism or the Buddha so shouldn't speak on it. The inverse is true: the Buddha did many things that Liuquan couldn't do including having a far more extreme diet of complete starvation. While we might think Liuquan's diet was extreme, in comparison to Siddhārtha's starvation diet, it was tame. Lastly, FWIW the world's oldest self-mummified body is that of Huineng (638-713), the Sixth Patriarch of Ch'an. You can Google image search pictures of him and his story.
@@Thrashyourhead There are plenty of 'real' Buddhists but you would want to ask a Tibetan Buddhist in particular. And still likewise you will probably just get his opinion and no testimony of first hand experience. You could ask Father Francis Tiso, who witnessed a Buddhist master attaining Rainbow Body. You could also search youtube for videos of Penor Rinpoche's funeral where rainbows appeared in a clear sky and appeared between people in the audience.
TO JOE OR JAIME: Joe Rogan should have a Tibetan Buddhist monk on the podcast sometime. I highly recommend you guys reach out to people like Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche or Alan Wallace to learn more about Buddhism, its beginnings, its transmutations across the world, what it is, what it is about, what stories of history do they have from the Pali Canon to the mystical supernatural stuff that can be found in Buddhism, Buddhism in India, Buddhism in Tibet, Buddhism throughout the world, Theravada Buddhism, Mahayana Buddhism, Buddhist Psychology, Ontology, Epistemology, and Philosophy, etc. It's great to hear you talk about Buddhism, but, and to no offense, there are several main pieces of ignorance / misconceptions that need to be cleared up about it so that you as well as all of us can see the whole picture better. Buddhism really is quite vast, but a good starting point is to learn the Pali Canon as that is the life story of Prince Siddhartha Gautama and of how he became the Buddha, and to then expand beyond that using logic and reasoning and analytical thinking.
@@Iron-Bridge Tummo is part of secret tantra so It will be tough finding someone who can elaborate without breaking vows, and breaking vows is out of the question for Vajrayana practitioners. I think Lama Yeshe speaks about Tummo in general terms in one of his books, i can’t remember the name. I’ll come back and post the book name here.
@@nomad_333_ Needs to happen, my brother! If they have any Buddhist monk on the podcast, whether Tibetan or not, I truly think that'd be of great benefit to so many people who are willing to listen! I also think it'd be a great thing if they had a Tibetan monk on the podcast to perhaps shed light on the 11th Panchen Lama controversy which may hopefully produce global support in encouraging China to free him and his family.
There is a Tibetan temple right on 45th St in Austin so it would not be that difficult to get a lama to talk. There are also several (20 to 30) Buddhist temples/ monasteries in Austin if a comparison is needed. In fact, there is a vihara on Honeycomb Dr. that is home of a western born monk so there would be no accent. UT also is a great source of Buddhist experts
I had an uncle that spent 30 years preparing his body for preservation and mummification and he was incased in a statue. Only we considered he drank himself to death, called the statue a coffin and buried it instead up propping it up on a shelf.
We lost my step-grandfather (on my mothers side), 42yrs ago when I was 12. All I can really remember about him was, he was real quiet and he loved to lean on stuff. He'd lean on stuff, like other people's cars, doorways, trees ect. He especially loved going out on his deck for hours, leaning on the railing and staring out across the ocean. Trouble was, he and my gramma lived in the middle of the woods, so of course there was no ocean. {0.o} Looking back, I remember he always kept a single wooden-crutch behind his back seat. I thought it was there as self-defense weapon or so he could park in the Handicapped spots. I realize now it was for just-in-case he found himself in the middle of an empty field with nothin' to lean on. {0.o}
I remember Joe having some Buddha statues on the table of the old set, and always assumed he had read something of the teachings or history, but it appears I was mistaken, haha.
@6:00 The story of Sujata, the young girl who gave the emaciated Gautama a bowl of rice-milk porridge, is an interesting part of the Buddha life story, as we can imagine the energy it gave Gautama, after starving himself for so long, to sit through the following night to see the Morning Star and realize full enlightenment. Sujata is often depicted on the base of many Buddha statues holding the bowl in upraised arms. It really does sound like an authentic historical occurence, and it is no accident that Sujata's offering of food, and Gautama's breaking his vow to accept the food, is what directly led to the founding of one of the world's great religions.
I didn't realise that. Great story. My feelings about Buddhism is its a philosophy not a religion. Descibing it as a philosophy enables atheists to focus their energy on living this lifestyle. But what do I know.
“Buddha” is a title meaning enlightened being. The Buddha (Gautama) was around roughly 2500 years ago. According to the Buddha, there have been countless Buddhas before him & countless Buddhas will come after him. After the austere practices, the Buddha realized that was not the path to nibbana (transcending realms of mind and matter and attainment of ultimate peace and happiness) which is something to be experienced not intellectualized. After his enlightenment, The Buddha taught taking the middle path... and simple practice of sila (morality), samadhi (concentration), panna (wisdom). since his passing, many Buddhist sects have emerged (Theravada, Mahayana, Tibetan, Zen etc) It is best learn the Buddha’s teachings & practice meditation as well as keep the code of morality (5 or 8 precepts for lay people). Not everyone is ready for it but for those who stay & develop on the path of purification, the merits are immense.
@@LWLProductions I’m certainly not enlightened but my understanding is that enlightened beings transcend the realms of mind and matter and have a direct experience of nibbana which cannot be explained using words or human “intellect”.
I’ve dwelled on this quote from Lupe Fiasco for the end of his song Mural “Defeat Samsara, achieve Nirvana and Brilliance” Could you share some insight?
@@soma1990 I’m not familiar with the quote but Samsara consists of all realms of mind & matter. In Buddhist cosmology, there are many realms of existence including human realm, animal realm, ghostly realms, hellish realms, heavenly realms some which have form (matter) & mind and some purely mind (formless)... the one thing all the realms have in common is impermanence & inherent suffering that comes as a result...nibbana is a state beyond mind and matter. It’s the end of suffering. When a being attains nibbana, rebirth from one realm to another no longer takes place. However, this is not something one can wish or pray for... it’s attained through the practice of sila, samadhi, panna (Pali words). If you’re interested to learn more I can look for some books... or some links that may be helpful in better understanding the basic teachings of the Buddha.
@@dhammadina8654 I appreciate this I will screenshot! What’s crazy about the “realms” one time when I was smoking 🌳 with my guys.. I saw a glimpse of a view it was a POV of a person in a room sitting in a chair had to be a throne cause it was raised up I remembered staircase.. but the oddest thing that stood out was a person that seemed sentient but was cloaked in flames… Now I’m realizing these could very well be the makeup of other beings. I couldn’t explain it any better. I fast but it’s not for religious reasons.
@@soma1990 haha...the mind can play a lot of tricks... via dreams, in meditation and when taking anything that alters the state of mind... key is not to get distracted and sidetracked (easier said than done) Many people fast for health reasons. Buddhist monks/nuns eat one or two meals a day (unless medically required to eat more) they usually don’t eat anything after 12 or 1pm (can’t remember specifics of that) Some meditation retreats follow the same timeline and protocol... A good place to start learning about Buddha’s teachings is the Four Noble Truths and eightfold path. Some of teachers that have resonated with me over the years are Ajahn Chah and many of his students including Ajahn Brahm, Ajahn Sona and Ajahn Achalo. Goenka meditation centers are a good place to start learning meditation (all based on donation) Bikkhu Bodhi is a great scholar and teacher of the sutras (Theravada tradition) Best wishes
the buddha story is about hes trying the other extreme end of "worldly desires" aka just starve to death alone. and he realized the best way is in the middle path.
Sokushinbutsu is what the practice is called. The monks believed that if they self mummified they'd become Buddha. Only a few dozen have achieved it out of the thousands. It's a banned practice in buddism because it's pretty fuckin gnarly how they achieve it...
'Life is like playing an musical instrument, Tighten the string too much & it'll snap, Loosen it too much & it wont play' - a famous quote I've heard from monks defining the way of life
@@theymademepickaname1248 are you looking that shit up so you can be mad about it? Because I literally NEVER get anything like that in my recommendations
@@themostdiabolicalhater5986 I just went scrolled through his videos for the past few months, and it looks like he's toned it down. There was a span where it was like: right wing cia guy, anti vax stuff, Ben Shapiro, climate change is fake guy, Ted Nugent, more vaccine crap, Jordan Peterson, etc.
It is insane. We're omnivores and we need more than just vegetables to get every nutrient we need. In fact there's a quite compelling theory that states the reason we have such big brains and were able to evolve so much faster than other animals is our ability to cook meat. It made digesting it much easier and we were able to absorb more nutrients after cooking. So there's a good chance that without meat we wouldn't be any different than our closest relatives
We are a Thai 2T motorcycle gang based on the island of Koh Samui, Thailand. Wat Khunaram has a mummified monk on display since his passing in 1973. He wears a pair of sunglasses added around the same period. Worth a visit if you find yourself in Thailand 🇹🇭
@@Scout555 a veritable smorgasbord, with something for everyone! One comment I read had over a dozen replies; I clicked on it and every. single. reply. was a spam bot, from the "sexy" to the "supernatural" lol
I think we spend so much time trying to look like we know what we’re doing and what we’re talking that when we meet people who unapologetically and unselfconsciously say ‘I don’t know’ ‘what does that mean?’, we’re absolutely fascinated and drawn in. I wish I could just watch Joe, live, click around on the internet and learn stuff. Just a rabbit hole deep dive into anything.
Please start covering the water crisis in california. People think we’re in a serious drought when actually the government is sending more water than ever straight to the oceans. It’s going to cause a national food crisis and most local farmers will go bankrupt while cooperations keep stealing up cheap farm ground
The starved Buddha depicts the historical Buddhas joirney to enlightenment. He tried methods that were common in india until he realised there was no merit in extremes like that or in pleasure seeking, so this is why he started his own philosophy of the middle way.
In legend of zelda breath of the wild, there are shrines all over the world. These shrines contain monks like this and they give you a sort of life force once you complete the shrine.
they have actually brought people like this back to life before, they only lived for a few days then would collapse. it was fun letting them use phones and eat McDonald's together
It's pronounced eS-Que-D usually...and if I recall these mummies were originally discovered because an academic found historical records of the practice, tracked one down and opened it. Then they started looking for them in other statues and found several.
@@beelot1511 Have you seen video of bot/social media farms? Just endless podiums stands filled with phones and tablets. I'm not sure if they're wired in to a central system, but it's definately happening.
That's how Buddha found the middle way. He realized that asceticism didn't bring Liberation neither did pleasure-seeking. So you have to find the middle way, the path that can't be followed. Because if you chase pleasure too much, it only leads to a hangover. If you chase asceticism, it brings no liberation. That's why Buddha found what he called the middle way. Which is basically do everything in moderation and don't obsess or hold onto anything. Buddha woke up and realize that there's no way to make yourself better outside of you here and now. You already have everything you need within you
Yea he knew and it seems alot of civilizations knew this ancient knowledge. I feel we are coming into that age of aquarius opening our minds to knowing not thinking unlocking a higher level of consciousness like our ancestors before.
😂 Joe Rogan changing the subject with quickness, when the guy questioned his knowledge of Buddhism suddenly the conversation is about how many ribs you have
Many years I’ve been listening and watching this podcast. And suddenly hearing Joe Rogan quoting an article mentioning Amersfoort and the Meander medical center near my house was pretty unexpected and funny.
I mean mummies are a thing - and I find it interesting . It’s not like we have to pretend we aren’t living on a planet full of bodies and remains of god knows what
When moving a Buddha statue to another temple in Thailand it fell over and damaged the alabaster. They discovered the alabaster was hiding a Buddha made of gold weighing 5.5 ton. It contained a key in its base that allowed it's nine components to be dismantled.
A leader of a buddhist temple/school in Japan told me the meaning of the skinny buddha was that they focused too much on praying and spirituality and forgot their earthly body. It was a lesson of balance from what I understood.
Well... We have 12 sets, but: 1-7 are true ribs (From vertebrae to sternum), 8, 9, 10 are false ribs (vertebrae to sternum, but they share the same attachment to the sternum) and 11, 12 are floating ribs (from vertebrae, but don't connect to sternum).
Buddhism isn’t about philosophy it’s about the realization of who and what we are beneath all the stacked worldly concepts we have about ourselves and reconnecting with our original nature which is blissful, peaceful complete without things.
As a dutch person i can't stop laughing at the fact that us dutch name's don't add up for engelish speakers like how wrong can you say a name i get it its hard 😅
I would totally love to go talk to Joe, everyone pokes fun, but this is how progress is really made, discussing things with an open mind and respectfully. Even when he doesn’t agree, he treats his guests with respect and dignity
Anyone who doubts that these monks can do spectacular things needs to look up wim hof. He's done several of the feats that monks claim to have been able to do but in the modern clinical setting
@@debbieolin8153 those Buddhist masters who spread Buddhism into Asia are all known for having a supernatural ability otherwise Buddhism wouldn't successfully spread across Asia.
@@user-Void-Star that is the same way catholicism spread...there are a lot more similarities in religions rather than differences. Sounds like the countries in the world......
LOL Joe can be so relatable. There are a lot of words I have read many times, but never heard them audibly pronounced. And yes, "eschewed" is one of those words for me as well. I think I've even written it down a few times, but I've never said it and rarely, if ever heard it said.
There's this one zen master in Russia or something who died a long time ago, was even buried for a while, but technically is still alive. Weirdest shit I've ever seen
I just had a dream about a Buddha( it was more like the bhodisattva) like a sidhartha I’m butchering the spelling and we were under ground in a chamber with like a fire place- the being sat on the mantle and began to like galvanize into a gold statue.. This dream was intense and super beautiful. Like it was a statement of devotion and that their presence be a force of like stable peace. So this was a cool video! Hahaha ummmm thank you!
There is only one Buddha. You're speaking of a monk. Some mastered abilities we would call super human. Rumor has it some could even speak through the ages.
It is a common practice in Tibet but usually reserved for the very high exalted Rinpoche or Lamas. There are few Dalai Lamas that are entombed in huge statues made of gold and silver (I think it is gold painted) in Potala Palace in Tibet. I don’t know about this particular practice in China but in Tibet, highly enlightened beings can go into a deep meditative state in the lotus position and pass away. Their corpse won’t smell for days and sometimes for weeks depending upon the level of attainment. After the final indication of passing over is confirmed they are usually put on a pyre and cremated whereupon later they will erect a small temple. Some like the Dalai Lamas get entombed.
Joe is doing his normal show. The controversial stuff is just what captures people's attentions. But he doesn't do it all the time. And if he wants a break, so fucking what?
It's not really "mummification", but called "Samadhi", specifically, "Jeeva Samadhi". The idea is to dis-identify with the body so the body drops away by itself and he breaks the cycle of life and death. This is not the same as killing yourself/suicide as you leave the body through one of the 7 chakras without causing any external harm to the body and if you can do it successfully, you will not be born again in any of the multiple realities including Earth, which is what is commonly known as "Moksha/Enlightenment/Mukti/Self-Realization"
Martial arts and meditation are hand to hand, joe, got greatly the difference between being content and worldly happiness, it is a cool story! The life of boddhidharma is also very inspiring. Have a nice day
Yeah, there's actually no evidence to support the idea he was self-mummifed, however, although replacing his organs after he died would have been a rather difficult task it's not necessarily impossible. So there's still a chance it was self-mummification, but we just don't know.
@@WildAlchemicalSpirit they dont replace the peoples organs before they die. This man didnt take out his own organs and replace them with paper therefore he didnt self mummify himself. Pretty simple conclusion.
@@TheMackMamba yes, this was the conclusion I came to as well but as far as science is concerned it's still possible there may be other explanations. Like maybe they replaced his organs after he was already somewhat mummified. Without further study or more evidence of how the mummification occurred, it's considered unknown.
Please interview Matthew Lee (the RT journalist)! He is a journalist who asks difficult questions to the state department. Would be an incredibly interesting watch! I am a huge fan! I know you would be an amazing person for him to converse with!
