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I'm in the same boat as Ridvan - Agnostic who calls himself Atheist. Love Jesus and The Father, and I wish I could believe in them. Damn right I'd be there.
@@michael678.67xtian The idea of encapsulating the transcendental in the mundane words of man. Like, Jesus is the ideal man - some guy who travels around just helping people, and bringing them revelations? Wonderful. Truly ideal. The idea of the Bible - godliness explained in the word of man? - ehhh. Doubtful of that. Especially the old testament - that's kinda crazy. I'd like to believe - but it's like asking you to believe in leprechauns - you just can't make yourself do it. I pray, I try to be a good person - it most often actually helps - but that's still not enough to believe in say... Deuteronomy 23:1 ESV "No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord." Like, get kicked in the nuts too hard and you can't enter heaven? Seriously? That's wack bro! Love God, Love Jesus - Thankful to exist - but the bible is the outlier in my perspective. I believe an almighty being wouldn't transfer his message in the word of man, he'd etch it across our very souls, something incorruptible and permanent (unlike the word of man) - and therein I really believe that we find this compulsion to be moral creatures. Someone out their cares. Please forgive the long-winded reply :')
"For our fight is not against flesh and blood..." Ephesians 6:12 sums it up. It is all about allegiance and everything revolves around it. Good debate.
Speaker concluding at a flat-earther convention: "...and with this, I suggest to you, my honored colleagues, we travel all around the globe and spread the truth.."
Agreed. I think AP needs someone with emotionality to discuss this with. David is an excellent polemicist, but his apologetics kinda suffer in this video without some emotional support.
In my opinion if AP comes to Christ he'll legitimately be one of the best apologists out there, he's very knowledgeable and his life journey is very relatable.
@@artv.9989 that comment makes as much sense as saying "Genocides death committed". God is so above human concepts like genocide that's ridiculous to use them even in the same sentence.
@@artv.9989i answer this million of times There is no genocide in thr bible it just the bible is using a hypropolic way Becuze you can see that the amalak and the canniet still live in the bible
@@bryonstevenson1084 I exist. I have physical presence. The devil does not so I'm not worried about it, its just a concept, a figment of the human imagination.
@@ElDrHouse2010 if you believe that evil exists, then you already have the concept of devil integrated into your psyche. Of course i'm not talking about mythological devil.
I never really liked AP and DW, but now I am addicted. You guys cheer me up and really are so knowledgeable about your topics and just so much fun to listen to.
Interesting how AP hates this version of himself. It had me think... maybe what gets to the core of his being, making him angry is when he sees himself in a Muslim. Sees how naive he was in the past. And the frustration of having to deal with that kind of person, someone who will waste his time, enrages him.
Seeing as I saw someone in the stream chat say they became a deist and later a Christian from studying biochemistry there's an ex-atheist called Sy Garte who's a retired biochemist that became a Christian partially because of that who recently appeared on IP's channel (responding to Rationality Rules) and on Capturing Christianity doing a call-in on that topic.
It is because of this intelligence that he doesn't believe. There is a reason why there's an inverse correlation between intelligence and 5heism, after all.
Don't demand for answers if you yourself are stubbornly keeping your door shut. Ten times Pharoah was given evidence. He was stiff necked. And it is not God's fear of commitment. Oh, He's all in. He humbled Himself to do that. It is 𝘰𝘶𝘳 fear of commitment. Too proud to do it.
You'll have to read your bible again, you seemed to have missed the part where your god hardened the pharoah's heart so in turn, god could punish him and every first-born in egypt. Your god is nothing but a cry-bully. An abusive tyrant in disguise. Who, according to your doctrine, created the problems which he in turn blames on his own creation. You know who else does that? Abusive parents.
Just because some people never questioned what they are told is not a good reason to not believe in a God. Don't let others living in ignorances stop you from searching yourself.
Strangely admins have prevented me posting a comment very respectful of both gentlemen, whom I greatly admire, and of their differing views on religion. And offering possible explanations for their differing perspectives. I have no idea why the comment was found unacceptable. What matters is the work these gentlemen do, and the example of their friendship.
APs makes a lot of claims in that video based on his personal experience whilst simultaneously saying people only believe in the religions they were born into due to emotional reasons and personal experiences. Thats one heck of a biased claim based on his lived experience. He assumes that all people think the same way. Or pick and choose religion in the same way. Or that they dont have the tendency to actually research their religion. I left atheism after years because of the cosmological and evidential arguments for God, the historicity of Jesus, the historical reliability of the New Testament, biblical archealogy, then when I considered that the 300+ fufilled prophecies of the Old Testament through Jesus fully convinced me. That plus experience after with The Holy Spirit but that was after the logical reasoning lead me to a point where I could be open to it.
Arguments for God: 1. Necessity Whatever exists that does not have to exist requires an explanation. The physical universe does not have to exist. Therefore, the universe requires an explanation. The explanation for the universe is, by definition, God. Therefore, God exists. This is a better version of: Premise 1: Whatever begins to exist has a cause. Premise 2: The universe began to exist. Conclusion: Therefore, the universe has a cause. There are a few main objections: The first is that there is an infinite regression. However, an infinite amount of contingent beings cannot account for the existence of one contingent being. Any more than an infinite amount of boxcars explains why a train is moving. You would then have to explain why the regression is there in the first place. Does it explain itself? The answer is no. The second is that there is no such thing as nothingness. Basically, that the universe existing is a brute fact. Now, I could retort that God existing is a brute fact. But besides that, by saying the universe is a brute fact, you would be saying that brute facts exist, so anything could be a brute fact. For example, 1. Socrates is a man 2. Men are mortal 3. Socrates is mortal Premise 3 might just be a brute fact that has nothing to do with premises 1 and 2. Meaning that you would have to devolve into extreme skepticism, which is neither practical, nor probable. You would essentially have to distrust all logic, which I don’t see why I would. Considering that logic always seems to be right, when properly applied. The third objection is that there is another necessary being besides God. For example, the universe. However, I can imagine the universe not existing. It does not explain itself. A critic could retort “I can imagine God not existing”. However, something you can imagine isn’t necessarily true. For example, I could imagine an unsolved math equation to be true, but it is either necessarily true or false. A Definition of God is: “That which no greater can be conceived.” Therefore, God cannot not exist, or He would be lesser. God exists by Definition, or explains Himself by Definition. The universe does not. For example, fire must be hot, but it doesn’t have to be blue. Likewise, God must exist. In fact, God would be the most fundamental level of existence that holds everything else in existence. God is essentially: ipsum esse subsistens, or His essence is Exitsence. So, God is existence, or Esse. I Am What I Am. Likewise, some use matter and energy/movement. However, they don’t explain themselves. Could you imagine a different form of fundamental matter making yo the universe? If so, it is not necessary. God again, cannot be different by definition. A fourth objection is denying things such as great and greater. I don’t understand this much, but J would just argue that existence doesn’t make sense without this definition being true, and therefore it must be true.
@@kyrptonite1825 BlaBlaBla. Arguments against God: he is a man made invention. There are hundreds of cultures and thousands of generations of men without an monotheistic god. Monotheism is a phenomenon of human cultural history with a beginning and an end.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, please I can't stop laughing at your complete bullshit. I don't even think that you actually read the most heinous book ever written. Let alone asked any serious questions about the many atrocities in it.
No person can persuade another to accept Messiah Yeshua...we are not supposed to attempt it... we are only to bring them the Gospel, lay down the facts, and then leave it up to the Holy Spirit of God to convict and convince... Messiah said: But as I stated, you have seen Me and still you do not believe. EVERYONE the Father gives Me WILL come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me.… (John 6:36-38) The Gospel will be preached unto the ends of the earth, and then THE END WILL COME... (Matthew 24:14) Ridvan will be saved if HE MAKES THAT CHOICE to come to Messiah...it's between him and the Holy Spirit of God, not between him and David...because David will not get the 'honour' if Ridvan is saved...only God will receive that honour. He has been in the company of David long enough to know what the Gospel is... all we can do is pray that his heart becomes receptive...because eternity is a VERY VERY long time to regret a wrong choice....it never ends....
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.” II Corinthians 5:10-11 NKJV
To possibly answer y'alls question around why there was such a change with Biden from the debate to when he was speaking the next day, if the speaking engagement was earlier in the day then he likely suffers from "sundowners". A lot of patients Ive worked with over the years have had it as its fairly common for ppl with dementia, alzheimers & even some that have had traumatic brain injuries due to gun shot wounds, car wrecks, aneurysms etc. Its a very noticable decrease in overall functioning, increase in forgetfulness etc in the evening time on into the night then when they wake up in the morning they will have a higher level of functioning etc. It's very noticable when it kicks in which again is typically in the evening time around the time the sun is going down, hence it being known as "sundowners". Im not a doctor but Ive worked in a few positions in the medical/healthcare/allied science field for well over 20yrs & that is far more likely the situation than there being that much of a delay in any type of med/drug they would try to give someone. Even if they were to give him something like Adderall he could have had an adverse reaction to it hence the mouth gaping, nodding etc (and if the person does have dementia etc/is sundowning its not going to magically give them more clarity etc it would just make them more alert) & its onset window would have been long passed by the time he spoke the next day. Especially for someone of his age who would naturally have overall decreased organ function so would have a much lower absorption rate, decreased motility etc
But David is right in saying it is irrelevant. If everyone collectively agrees that the sum of the angles of a triangle is no longer 180°, will it become true? Socrates was executed for concluding that there is one "unknown" God because nobody else believed in that even though he was right.
@@yanmew It doesn't make it true no matter how many believes that because angles are demonstrably true. Meaning you can factually measure them. It's not a matter of arbitrary belief. And no, socrates was not right.
@@MTx485 yes, alot more wordsalad. Which all boils down to those two phrases mentioned, on the question of "does evidence and reason matter for the belief in god, f.ex just as it does for believing the earth is flat".
Lmao AP ending the flat earth hypothetical that wasn't going anywhere was great. Then David changing the subject laughing about the Muhammad cartoon, friendship goals 😂
I'm an agnostic and I must say that sometimes I meet "annoying" Christians who force me to be Christian ( most of my best friends are Christians) . But no matter how fanatic Christians at least they never terror other believers so everytime I meet a fanatic Christians who tell me to go to Church or reading Bible I just say "okay I'll do it later" but I never do it 🙃
Jesus confirmed through His word that He’s coming soon. “For, “Yet a little while, and the coming one will come and will not delay” Hebrews 10:37 “I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown.” Revelation 3:11 He confirmed each verse twice in the most random coincidental way to me. Repent and believe. Save your loved ones quickly. God bless you.
Read the gospels of Mattew mark luke and John they aren’t that long. You can finish the gospel of Mark easily in his 2 hours. Mark has only 14 capters each chapter approximately take 4-7 minutes to finish if you read 1 a day you will finish in 2 weeks.
I think it is tragic to base your personal eternal destination on statistics about how likely someone is to be a certain religion based on where they were raised. I understand the argument, but this claim takes zero account of an adult’s ability to question, think, or research just like AP did. Perhaps for children this argument stands better, but I believe God takes children’s situations into special consideration. Also, AP’s materialism leads him to blame genetics, location, and other physical factors for everyone’s choices while his own testimony stands in contrast to that. The people coming to Christ today in non-Christian majority countries, or hostile-to-Christianity-countries, are also a problem for the idea that environment is the greatest dictator of religious belief. Because he doesn’t believe in God, there is no room to account for people turning to Christ in underground churches, under death sentences, etc. As Winger has pointed out, people often say, “I need evidence,” when they mean, “I need proof.” Sure, there are some things we can know empirically, but we’re still depending on so many factors beyond the material to know these things. There is a ton of evidence for Christianity; I think AP holds up an unfair standard of perfection for Christianity and doesn’t hold that same standard up for materialism or skepticism. He’s taking what he thinks is a safe position because he was broken by his belief in Islam. I hope he will one day see that the God who made him gave him that ability to reason, as he does with others. Whether he ever becomes a Christian or not, I hope he can be honest with himself that his real reasons are personal and emotional, not logical and based on a deep review of the evidence. It’s good to have both; it’s always good to recognize that one does.
Those aren't the reason he's atheist, those are just ways to persuade David Wood. Not in a deceptive way, but I'm just saying it's a way to explain the real reason in a way a theist may understand.
@@al67849 His video is literally called "Why I Don't Believe in God" so those are reasons, there's no obligation for it to just be directed towards believers. Also he turned agnostic after their Israel trip because he felt a special unexplained connection to it, check out the video "The Apostate Prophet Is No Longer an Atheist?!?"
@@jwc713 same way g-juice followers draw conclusion for non-biblicals😑, as native american who lost everything to ☪ul✝ called christianity only thing i got to say to it is fck off.
Surprised with the amount of Christians here. I too am an atheist, but wont lie when I do acknowledge that most atheists are horrible at fighting back against Islam, so I guess in the end it does make some sense when I see the comments haha.
Because atheism of secular humanism don't have arguments to counter Islam. Christianity does. Don't you hear these days how Muslims run from Christians in Speaker's Corner in London?
@@99range92def Atheists are the whitest though & thats based. The Nordic countries are the most atheists. We are Hyperboreans. Strong viking warrior genetics. Unconquerable by men & their cults.
AP is assuming that one cannot conclude that there is evidence for God. (As one can observe the shape of the earth, etc.) There is plenty of evidence if you look. Get past the ramifications and look at the evidence.
In regards to the divine hiddenness discussion, I would say that not everyone would immediately bend the knee if God revealed himself in a more obvious way. DW brought up how Satan and Adam/Eve, despite being in the literal presence of God and likely conversing with him face to face, still mustered up the ability to rebel against God. A few more examples include Abraham's wife Sarah laughing at the physical incarnation of God when He said she would have a son and then lying to Him denying that she laughed. The prophet Jonah who ran away from God's command and even after his experience with the whale, the repentance of Nineveh, and the plant that provided him shade, he still argued with God and was angry with Him. Also in Revelation when God reveals Himself to the whole world it says that all kinds of people (the wealthy, the powerful, the slave, the free) hid in caves and wished that the mountains would fall down on them to hide them from the face of God. And the list goes on. Point is, for a lot of people, their lack of conviction for a belief in God is not the deciding factor and is not the only thing holding them back from fully embracing God and his commands. I can't speak for everyone, but in my opinion the question of "Does God exist?" is generally an irrelevant topic. Whether or not God hides himself it would not impact people's allegiances. Instead, I think the question of "Can a good God exist?" or "Is God good?" is the more important one and the one most atheist/agnostics usually mean when they challenge theism. (Hence why the universal objection to God is 'If God really exists then how come _________?' and fill in the blank with moral problem of your choice)
Islam or capitalism. Which set of social relations MUST win as a matter of historical objectivity. Consider the joys of capitalist wealth creation when a member of the super elite can drive the best of cars and bed as many women as his jets can fly to him then consider the answer.
The Theist-Atheist debate is simple: it all boils down to Physicalism vs Idealism. Thats it. AP is brain is wired like a Physicalist he won't accept explanations that are super natural, he needs physical mechanisms to be deduced & explained. In my experience Religious people cannot do this, they don't know how God's magic works either even if he were to exist.
@@al67849 Thats not what I mean. I mean the final conclusion about what you believe the Monad to be, basically the building block of everything else. Atheists say mass (and its types, basically the periodic table those elements are all that is known to exist) Theists say spirit (they cannot even explain what the hell this even is or how it works)
I'm not going to lie, I came to the same conclusions as AP about my belief in Christianity as someone born in the US, baptized at birth, and growing up in the church as members of my family have always found standings in different congregations, I even wanted to be a pastor. I've always thought about how all the innocent and kind people of a different religions and cultures can be damned to hell. but even with all my issues with the church, the thought of Christianity is comforting as we are seeing a rise in Islam in my region.
Isaiah 55:8-9 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;" And don't worry our God is Just, so you don't need to trouble yourself about that. His judgment will be perfect and Just. God bless, I will pray for you.
Brother, I'm sure after seeing the rise of Islam in your region, you must understand that only Christianity has arguments to destroy this man-made çûĺț. Secular humanism or atheism cannot counter it. Aren't you hearing how Muslims are now running away from Christians in Speaker's Corner in London?
Me too. How are supposedly loving Christian’s going to enjoy heaven while knowing that people that they’ve known, even loved are in unending agony in hell? How could one love such a god that would punish people for all eternity? For committing sins that they could only have committed in a single lifetime?
Jay Dyer is a sophist who uses mystical and philosophical word salad to twist arguments. Anyone can see that all of his "philosophical arguments" are basically him spewing a bunch of gobbledygook dressed up as wisdom. The reason why he does that is because he is a sufficiently smart guy who knows that there's really no rational argument for Christianity. It all hinges on Faith. So the only way to make "arguments" for Christianity is if you obfuscate everything you say and try to confuse people so that in the end you can claim that they're too dumb to understand you.
@@LeoVital Dude ap was making universal claims and said he didn't need to give an account for them during the debate even his own chat was saying he blundered.
AP claims that the evidence for Christianity is not clear because many people disagree with Christianity, and because if you gave these people the evidence for Christianity, most people would continue rejecting Christianity. But AP also claims that most people believe what they believe for sociological and psychological reasons. He is clearly contradicting himself. If it is true that most people's beliefs are formed for sociological and psychological reasons, then we would not expect most people to change their beliefs when confronted with evidence they are wrong, since their beliefs are not arrived at through evidential reasons, they are arrived at through sociological and psychological reasons. Hence, if people's beliefs about God are primarily formed through sociological and psychological reasons, then we would not expect most people to change their mind when confronted with evidence they are wrong. We would expect most people to continue believing what they do in spite of good evidence they are wrong. As such, AP's claim that the evidence for Christianity is not clear based on the fact that people continue in their beliefs in spite of evidence for Christianity is demonstrably false, by his own standards. The fact that people reject good evidence for Christianity is a problem with the people, not with the evidence. This is what David was repeatedly trying to explain to him.
Compare 1/ "I believe in fairies" 2/"I believe he is from UK" 3/"I believe in him, he never let me down" 4/ " I believe in this cause, that's why I donate every month" - BELIEF does not just mean I suspend my common sense but also I TRUST (based on experiences, previous knowledge) I am behind something because it attracts/ APPEALS to me, I am DEDICATED to something. AP, please have a conversation with Fr Paul Truebenbach (YT) - an outstanding Orthodox priest who can guide this conversation on....
I think it has to do with some level of trauma when leaving a sect. A group and society that manipulated his worldview and now want him dead as an apostate. It could be a protective mechanism from all the deception AP's faced. We will keep praying for faith to open his eyes and healing for his heart.
People say this all the time and it's honestly just not true at all. The average atheist/agnostic would completely change their worldview if they witnessed somebody regrow a limb or something miraculous right in front of them
I don't care if AP converts to a religion. It's his own choice. And no one has to decide for him whether he believes in something or not. Is it really that important whether someone is a theist or atheist? We're all polarized enough as it is. Let's not look at our differences but see what unites us.
Because it is about AP's soul. We Christians love AP and pray for him to know the gospel message of Jesus Christ. Jesus doesn't force people to believe in him. He gives people free will to make the decision to follow him for themselves.
@@rossini55 Did I use threatening language in my comment? Why would you make false accusations against me? If you hate Jesus and reject his free gift of salvation, that's your choice. There's nothing I or anyone else can do to stop you from spending eternity in a place where God doesn't exist in that case.
@raisinbread8526 would you say the same if he spoke against Christianity rather than Islam? Maybe you are different, but I imagine most of the Christians who watch AP if they were honest, would say no. Don't be kind to someone just because you want to convert them to your religion.
@@Traditional_American Christians are commanded to share the gospel and bless those who curse us. Even if AP spoke against Jesus, faithful Christians like me would still pray for his salvation. I don't get money to convert people to Christianity. In fact no human has the capability to convert anyone. Only God can do that.
Yeah, both of you need to read Dr. Michael Heiser's books. (Unseen realm, and the angels and demons pair of books) The isrealites believed in the seen and unseen Yahweh. Jesus was rejected as messiah because they believed a political warrior leader king like David would appear. Not some peasant from Nazareth
David made a very stupid statement about the convincing arguments of flat earthers (flatening the contrast to arguments for god) because his own arguments for god would come down to similiar unproven claims (I believe, I prefer). Very weak.
No, he is attacking AP's logic. AP's claim is basically 'multiculturalism, therefore I can't believe in God. ' This is bog standard. The proper conclusion is: just because everyone around me believes X, doesn't mean it's true. It also doesn't mean it's false. Duh. From listening to him, and from his credentials, I know DW is a competent apologist. Up to the point I am at 1:08:00, AP hasn't even got him started.
@@davidhawley1132 AP said that the the fact of thousands of different conceptualizations of god/gods in the history of mankind makes it impossible to argue consistently for the superiority of one specific religious concept over others therefore he keeps an agnostic stance. Anybody trying to defend his/her favourite god version as superior will face serious problems doing so not even considering the fact that there is no possibility of "objective" proof.
"No worshippers of YHWH before Abraham" is a fallacy. According to Genesis there were many true worshipers before but Abraham was the one chosen through whom the earlier promised "seed" (or offspring) would be born through whom all nations will be blessed, and the Serpent will be crushed 🥾🐍 Seed is promised to Eve (Gen 3:15) Offspring narrowed to: Seth (Gen 4:16) Noah (Gen 6:18) Abraham (Gen 12:1,Gen 17:7) Isaac (Gen 17:19, Gen 17:21) Jacob (Gen 25:23) David (2 Samuel 7:12-16; Psalm 2) Jesus (Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Micah 5:2) Gal 3:16 - Offspring is singular - Jesus But hypothetically even if there were 0 true worshippers at the time of Abraham, still God's purpose was being accomplished through those people to bring the Salvation to all nations, as promised. Those people are the ancestors of Abraham ➜Isaac➜Israel➜...➜Jesus; and also their enemies, and God is glorified even in his enemies, so it really makes no sense to say "It was meaningless" from the Christian perspective, even if hypothetically 0 true worshippers existed at that time.
That is a good reminder that people like to unintentionally strawman the opposition when they reach conclusions. His point was that he does not belief in God because most people belief what their culture says. From that he builds up the argument that in Christianity and Islam, God sends everybody to hell who is not a believer. Which means the free will of the people is not the significant factor of what brings us to heaven. That is immoral and therefor he doesn't belief in that God. What are the problems of that argument: 1. He got that entire chain of argument from the secular German atheism. So based on his own logic, he didn't reason to it but instead just came to it because of where he grew up. 2. Even in the Bible there are non-Christians who are saved. I'm not sure about Islam, but there I find it confusing what causes someone to be saved. So this argument is a strawman. 3. Both Christianity and Islam have versions where free will is not really that relevant in the first place and God is the major or sometimes even the exclusive deterministic factor. So that can't be brought up against those two religions as a whole. 4. To the best of my knowledge, Atheists can't be defenders of objective morals. If he says it is immoral according to the Christian or Muslim world view then he first has to show in which way it is immoral. 5. Let's assume he successfully argued that this God can't be moral and therefor there is an unsolvable internal contradiction in those theologies. Just because those two specific interpretations of Christianity and Islam are faulty doesn't mean Atheism is the logical alternative. He didn't actually bring any logical argument for why he doesn't belief in God. Perhaps he brought the emotional argument why he doesn't belief in God, but if that is the case he shouldn't say he came to it through reason. Or in short he build an argument on strawman premises, just claimed that they should reach that conclusion without showing it and then ends up with the same opinion as the culture in which he grew up in. If we want to build our world view on logic we should be careful to not strawman the opposition, even if they are Muslims or Flat earthers or whatever.
God is the only sensible answer to everything we see in the universe. From Cosmology to the complexity of life and the cell and to consciousness itself.
Not true. The objects in the universe could be eternal & thats deductively the most likely theory, the mass everything is made of is perpetual, its always been there in motion, just in another form, colliding with other things. Physical existence is eternal, conscious experience is not though.
@@ElDrHouse2010 If they are eternal, how come there is such organisation with perfect spinal galaxies that have not wound themselves around their own axel? how come there is still heat in the universe? This idea is a nonsense.
@@sisgp123 because thats how atoms pull on each other they all spin around the heaviest thing around. & its not perfect if the object at the core is too heavy stuff just collides with it because the gravitation it generates is too much. & there is still heat because things are still in motion, an object in motion generates heat. there is motion between inanimate objects because objects pull on each other electromagnetically. its very simple. i can even draw it.
@@ElDrHouse2010 Gravity had to be so exacting to make spiral galaxies stay in place, We don't even know what Gravity is? You are an idiot if you think this all happened a/ by accident and b/ forever ago. I can't think of a serious scientist who believes that.
True knowing can only come after we let go of our thoughts as in ideals, believes, mental constructs. They can not approach reality. Saying “i believe this or that” just means “i dont know but i choose this” . Now i prefer “i dont know”. Just say that. Then our head can be quite. And not make up stories all the time
i have done evangelism on the university campus for over 35 years in that time i have heard it all but there is a type of person that will do or say anything to talk themselves out of eternal life ,they over think it but its simple your going to hell cant do anything about it on your own so God in his great love took your place of judgement and paid your debt in full by becoming like you so he could pay your debt and you on your part admit you have a sin problem and believe and receive the free gift by putting your faith in Jesus Christ and his work ,period,God bless to all
I think that the reason majority of people in Muslim countries are born muslim, remain muslim, and will die muslim, is because there’s no room for doubting, questioning, or what’s even worse, no challenging or refuting, and if anybody dares to question, he or she can be considered an apostate, which carries a death sentence. As far as I’m concerned, countries like Pakistan, live in the Middle Ages where the Catholic Church used to control , religion, science, and politics, and the inquisition was implemented to control, intimidate, and eliminate detractors.
It's funny how supportive you guys are for AP, but the second he rejects YOUR religion, you're calling him things. The things that muslims lack in terms of evidence for their god are identical to the ones christians lack in terms of evidence for their god.
Who did Jesus pray to? And why does he Pray to this deity, (YHVH) and ask a request from the deity, only to be denied the request?….If he is indeed: that deity, only manifested as a physical being and not a separate entity how can he deny his own requests?… In other words: You believe that God asked God for a favor then denied his own request of himself…. The Trinity wasn’t even a concept people considered seriously until the 3rd century and not at all in the first.
@@gabrielparanormalchildhood7559 right? I don't know what these people are getting at. "Jesus wept". Jesus struggled, he was still God. He was the "suffering servant" as Isaiah foretold. He humbled himself to come down to our level and take on some of the limitations of the flesh.
This is very validating as one of those who kept commenting that AP is agnostic, not atheist. Thank you for admitting you were wrong and explaining your train of thought. It is quite mature.
An atheist does not make any claims. They reject claims of theists. The reason is that the person who makes a claim has to provide the proof. An atheist will in this case act accordingly like everything that has not (yet) been proven. As long as the proof of the existance of gods is insufficient then we all will be agnostics. Yes Christians and other theists are also agnostic. There is a good reason why religions are refered to as BELIEFS and not knowledge. Knowledge also does not insist on being 100% sure or correct unlike religious beliefs. We atheist will all become thiests the moment a god gives us sufficient evidence of its existance. It will know what sufficient is.
2:52:36 The issue with this line of argument is that it assumes that mere intellectual assent is all that is required for heaven. Read James 2. AP is performing an internal critique of Christianity. But he isn’t taking the full philosophy of Christianity. Even the demons recognize THAT God is true, but they do not put their faith in Him. Clear and obvious proof could even be considered to remove the ability for genuine faith. Also, when AP is performing an internal critique, a lot of his complaints can be “well wouldn’t this be better?” Two things 1) He is neglecting the fact that God’s values may differ from his. 2) God knows what would happen in all possible worlds. (Matt. 11:21). Under the Christian worldview, the physical world is substantiated through His mind. If His mind substantiates reality, there is no reason to assume that ours is the only reality (yeah… like a Christian multiverse). If this is true, our world doesn’t have to be the best possible world. Just one where the good barely outweighs the bad. (God substantiates all worlds where Good is better than bad, no matter if by a lot or barely at all)
To Recap; The last 1/3 of the video is just about other stuff... like Israeli hostages and current stuff. The first bit is also not anything to do with the title but as they start talking; -AP affirms his agnostic position and distances himself from Atheism by saying he cannot prove there is no God, therefore he doesn't know and cant say for certain either way. -AP jumps around the idea of there being a God by looking at details of the Christian God or the Islamic God and makes the claim that God is unjust because people who dont know about Him cant follow Him, also the miracles or healings are not conclusive evidence... is therefore unconvinced. DW responds to some of these ideas but doesnt go into to much detail for times sake I guess, because he does know. He has an old video called why I'm not an Atheist and another with his own testimony of how he became a christian. -All told, AP doesn't offer a lot for his worldview, nor does he offer many reasons why he doesn't believe... he just makes 2 main points, 1 can easily be explained in Christian doctrine... the other is more complex but can still be explained at length. My own thoughts; The first is that God remains hidden and requires faith, The Kingdom of God is like hidden treasure... well worth the reward once found, but requires seeking and uncovering. The second is the miracles and how they need to be more convincing for unbelievers, like the first point... there typically isnt a big "gotcha!" moment in finding God, rather there seems to be more circumstantial evidence... a lot of little things that all add up and make sense once you jump in. Acedemics will struggle to find God through knowledge alone, it requires an element of faith. Once your eyes are opened to the spirit realm and the Holy Spirit, you know. God reveals himself in creation, in our dreams sometimes, through people that know Him, through His Word and by reminding us of him with the things around us and/or through our conscience. Jesus Christ is the Truth, the Way to God and only in Him can we have eternal life and know God ❤ Ask Him yourself... seek Him with all your heart and you will find Him❤
Here is the truth: no one knows if there is a god. If you can't know for sure then don't bother devoting your life to your specific god. Be good to your fellow humans regardless
No, with the same degree of certainty, and for the same reasons i know that leprechauns, pixies, unicorns and dragons arent real, i also know that gods arent real. They are very obviously all just figments of human imagination, and in many cases this is even easy to prove. We know zeus isnt real because we can climb the olymp and look. We know the abrahamic god isnt real because we know the origins of jahwew as an ancient mesopotamian volcano god that got mixed together with other gods over time like a wind god which is where the supposed aspect of omnipresence came about because back then people thought the movements of the wind and clouds could only be explained by gods etc. We KNOW people just made all of this shit up, and there isnt a single good reason to believe any god ever proposed by any human, short of maybe spinoza's god even could be real. And if we accept spinoza's god then we have sucessfully classified a fork as god, so i suspect the original meaning of the word got kind of lost.
@@MrWood-qd6kr atheists tend to think a certain way and assume they know how other people think. At least I did when I was an atheist. No offense atheists but I used to hang out with alot of you guys
By this logic, there is no reason to devote your life to being “good” to your fellow humans either if you don’t know whether or not there is a basis for objective morality.
Hahaha is that what you wanted? This proves David was a afraid to say AP would not go to heaven based on the Bible. Tell me HOW LONG PASSED FROM ADAM TO JESUS. DO YOU KNOW? ACCORDING TO THE JESUS GENEALOGY ON MATTHEW 1 AND LUKE 3 SINCE ADAM TO JESUS THERE WAS 4000 YEARS. DO YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT HUMANITY IS 6K YEARS OLD. THAT'S STUPID. THAT MEANS JESUS NEVER EXISTED. YOU WERE FOOLED FOOLS
@@rossini55 absolutely! Look at the beauty of Creation, the laws of physics, information, systems...the cell. You see His work everywhere! Most importantly, He showed up physically as one of us to take away the punishment that was rightfully ours!
@Lord9Genesis I don't agree it's a "creation". "Physics... therefore God"?. What on earth are you talking about? Non sequitur. "Fire, therefore dragons"? You sound just like Ali Dawah or Mo Hijab. Haha.
@@rossini55 "In the beginning" implies that Time itself is a Creation. God tells us many times that He is "Beginning and the End" (Isaiah 44:6, Revelation 1:8, 22:12). If He exists outside of Time, Space, and Matter (whatever that would mean) He is not subject to our puny imaginations of what the "God" should be. I get that you may not believe the Bible but understand that the God we refer to is NOT some wimpy Cosmic Sky Daddy.
The Earth is flat! For some reason you love the topic, so since you love it so much Dr Wood go ahead and do some research on biblical cosmology! The Earth is flat not only can it be proven biblically, it can be proven mathematically and through physics! The Earth is flat like a CD disc except for the mountains of course but it is not a globular ball spinning around the Sun at 66,000 600 miles per hour
The correct argument re: people in different places having sincerely different beliefs is that it makes it impossible to accept a personal testimony of religious/spiritual experience as evidence. You have to have external, observable evidence to prove the existence of a god or gods.
I was atheist, I was agnostic, I was practicing occult. And I came to God because it’s true 😁 I love science and I don’t think that a real scientist can claim that God doesn’t exist. More than this, many scientists come forward and say that they found God in science. I found God as a missing puzzle in my field - psychology and mental health. After trying to find billions of rational explanations, I came to the spiritual realm and it explained what was unexplained before.. Occam’s razor. Bless you all people with Holy Spirit and belief. ❤️🙏 it will bring you peace, feeling of being loved and giving love, healing, happiness, and eternal life. How great is it? Good luck on your journey.
I love you family I've been praying over the live stream for your eyes to see truth light and enternal life all in the ultimate sacrifice Yeshua YHWH God's first recorded name is genetically coded in all of mankind he is the truth
It's interesting. When I started watching AP and David Wood, I was a Christian, and I hoped that AP would join Christianity. But over the years I've become an atheist and I now find myself hoping that David joins the A team. 😅 It's so strange how much life can change us over time.
@@jwc713 Read the bible to see the amount of hate quotes in it to understand this is no book of some made up god but of men with their own agenda to use fear as a factor to enslave people to their control
When you're contemplating your place in the universe... and you're considering more than your own ego and perspective... you're talking about dimensions that are beyond your understanding. There is an order to things that keeps the universe balanced. So, when you're talking about these phenomena which are so much bigger than yourself that you can only relate to them through yourself as a point of reference... you're realizing that you don't have the words to define anything except how it all relates to you. So you ask the questions... what is "I"? What is "God"? What is "belief". It's all relative. If you only began to exist after so many other things have existed, then the universe doesn't relate to you as much as you are just a momentary part of it. The big bang doesn't relate to you then. You're using language and ideas that relate to you... trying to explain something that is unrelatable to you because it's outside of your own experience. That's why Jordan Peterson is reverse engineering his words. Now, I find the man insufferable. I can imagine him watching a movie having to deconstruct every aspect of the film, using the world "proclivity" several times always enunciating the "t" to make the word sound more like clit somehow. Anyway, I guess you have to take the bad with the good. He has some common sense ideas, or basic logic rationalizations which have influenced a generation of knuckleheads. Good on him eh.
AP study the evidence for and against christianity. Ask God "if you are there please help me". If you find the evidence for it strong then the other questions you have are to be put aside until God reveals the answers to you. I dont understand eternal suffering either. But i find the evidence strong in favor of Jesus. I dont have to understand everything because Gods ways and thoughts are vastly greater than i could understand. I put my complete trust in Jesus even though i cant understand everything about why He allows eternal suffering. He will show me the answer in His time. I will pray for God to help you doubts.
@@davidhawley1132 There is no mechanism of creation & physics were already tuned by default that's just how objects respond to being around other objects they get pulled by their weight & this produces motion. In other words physical existence is eternal, it has always been there in motion. Whats not eternal is consciousness & life forms.
@@99range92def I don't know but the cause does not necessarily have to be a sentient cause i.e. a god. As for consciousness, we can and do measure electrical signals in the brain pending upon physical control.
@@davidhawley1132 What Creation? How do you know there was ever a Creation? Look at the Universe, look at Nature If that is fine tuning from a Creator, then it is more like flawed tuning. The origin of life? Again nothing to say an external, sentient agent necessary. Even then why create a universe 9 billion years before introducing life? Evolution is guided by Nature, again no external agent necessary. Dignity? Plenty of missing dignity from all tribes.
As there is no proof of existence of any God. In fact all Gods had a great opportunity to save humanity from chinese wuhan virus but instead of saving all the world, the places of worship across the world were locked up. Gods must prove their existence to be believed in. For me the person who helps me in the time of need is a real life God.
So, God should have stopped the Wuhan management (Red Army) from releasing the virus? Don't you know that God gave us responsibility for managing the world (Genesis 1)?
Yes. My biggest problem with a benevolent, all-loving God is why does he let terrible things occur? Why does he create/allow the existence of diseased parasites that burrow into people's feet? Why does he let Christians be persecuted in all these 3rd world nightmares?
AP speaks against the atrocities committed by the barbarians .so he believes in God.only Godfearing people can support the oppressed speak against the killers.
I'm an anti-theist, religion is ok" The Religion Of Secular Humanism/Atheism ... The Humanist Manifestos declare: According to the Humanist Manifestos I & II: Humanism is “a philosophical, religious, and moral point of view.” - Paul Kurtz, in the preface to Humanist Manifestos I & II (Buffalo, NY: Prometheus Books, 1973), p. 3. “These affirmations [in the Manifestos] are not a final credo or dogma but an expression of a living and growing faith.” - Kurtz, Humanist Manifestos I & II, p. 24. A good way to determine whether a worldview is a religion is to look for certain characteristics that religions have in common. The framework set forth by Ninian Smart (Smart, N., 1996. Dimensions of the sacred: an anatomy of the world’s beliefs. HarperCollins, London.), commonly known as the Seven Dimensions of Religion, is widely accepted by anthropologists and researchers of religion as broadly covering the various aspects of religion, without focusing on things unique to specific religions. The seven dimensions proposed by Smart are narrative, experiential, social, ethical, doctrinal, ritual and material. Not every religion has every dimension, nor are they all equally important within an individual religion. Smart even argues that the ‘secularization’ of western society is actually a shift of focus from the doctrinal and ritual to the experiential. “Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion-a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. I am an ardent evolutionist and an ex-Christian, but I must admit that in this one complaint-and Mr [sic] Gish is but one of many to make it-the literalists are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today. “… Evolution therefore came into being as a kind of secular ideology, an explicit substitute for Christianity.” - Ruse, M., How evolution became a religion. National Post, pp. B1,B3,B7 May 13, 2000. [Michael Ruse was professor of philosophy and zoology at the University of Guelph, Canada]. You'll NEVER learn truth living in an echo chamber.
Religion is just culture and all cultures are equal in that they are habitual ideas adopted by groups of people. But all cultures are not equal in that some are more human friendly than others.
Not always for example now in muslim countries people start to become Christian. And its not just culture, people become Christian because they seriously started believing in it. The question is is this religion true or not.
@@michael678.67xtian You cannot question whether a religion is true or not, that's like asking ' Is walking true?' Since all religions are just culture the way to evaluate them is to ask how human being friendly are they? The question of whether God exists or not or what beliefs are true are totally irrelevant.
@@adamstewart9052 No they are not, but they all tell you how to think instead of allowing one to think for themselves. I serve no man & no god, I remain unconquered, free & strong.
July 10 is the centenary of the 1924 Cairo Edition Hafs Quran. 🎉🎉 Number #1 ‘perfectly preserved’ Quran. Please celebrate this historic 100 years AP & Dizzle
@ApostateProphet: with all due respect, Christians completely twisted the whole idea, the whole system, the whole plot… Satan isn’t G-d’s adversary, and he isn’t rebellious. he’s an angel, ffs! angels are unable to rebel by their very nature: they don’t have free will, at all :) they are like… if G-d was a computer program, angels would be functions within this program :) how can a function rebel against the program?! it’s irrational, it doesn’t make sense and it belongs to a much more primitive, subject-specific way of thinking characteristic of the earlier, pre-abstract stage of the development of human thought, corresponding to the era of idolatry with its zoo-and anthropomorphic deities. in this sense, Judaism went way ahead of the curve with its completely abstract G-d, non-trade relationships between G-d and his creations, absence of a specified Afterlife where you supposed to either get punished or rewarded for your earthly deeds, and with its inversion of the principle of contempt for the flesh and earthly life in favor of the spirit and Afterlife. we don't separate the spirit from the body, we don’t mark the formet as good and the latter as evil, we don’t strive to end our earthly lives in favor of the Afterlife. this life is the only one we have, this world is the only one we have, and G-d didn’t create it in vain, or did a bad job creating it… it’s perfect, and even its imperfections are perfect: they are necessary for it to be alive. like an open code :) we don't make this primitive division between Good and Evil that are counter-positioned against each other. we don’t have this primitive dualism. Christians and Muslims took this part from other doctrines: from polytheists, from Zoroastrians, from gnostics… in Judaism everything is both good and evil. they aren't separated. and that's another reason why there is no Satan in the same sense as in Christianity or Islam. /*btw, Lucifer is also not an angel :) it's just another name for the morning star, Venus, which is called Hillel Ben Shahar in Hebrew :) but there is no such angel in Judaism, it's just a mistranslation of a beautiful and deep poetic line with misinterpreted metaphor that depicts pride as a morning star, the last one that still shines in the sky at the dawn, when all other stars are already gone, over-shun by the Sun… in that poem it shines and thinks: I'm the best! I'm the brightest! I'm still shining! I'm brighter than Sun! I'll shine forever! - and that's exactly when it disappears, finally overshun by the light of the rising Sun :) it's just a poetic image: very powerful and beautiful, indeed, but it has nothing to do with angels, angel rebellions or Satan :) Satan is just an angel, not even the most important one… as all the angels, he has no free will, he's a perfectly loyal servant of G-d, one of his functions… if G-d was a noun, angels would be verbs :) he cannot rebel against him, like your function of walking, or grabbing, or smelling things can't rebel against you. angels are indistinguishable from their job, they are their job, and Satan's job is to put humans to test. to tempt them. that's all. and he does exactly that whenever G-d orders him to… :) as I said already: why would you study fanfics when you can go straight to the primary source and study the original? I’m sure you’ll love it :)
Agree 100%. It isn't acknowledged in the world at large (I introduce a slightly different topic) but Kabbala is as powerful a path to nonduality as are Buddhism & Hinduism.
As to your question about why people don't explore these aspects of Judaism more . . . I think you'd have to be fully fluent in Hebrew & Aramaic; & that's not so easy to do if you don't start young.
AP, I'd suggest continuing to read the Bible because the inconsistencies you are concerned about in God's character (for Him to exist) are stereotypes or false characterizations of what the Bible actually teaches about God, imo. For example, God obviously cares about all peoples worshipping him, but maybe not necessarily all people. On a different topic, if for argument's sake, you assume God exists, don't assume deep time, which includes cosmic and biological evolution, if you haven't studied it. As we speak, JWST is dismantling naturalism as the best explanation for galaxy formation. Among hundreds of other discoveries, they just discovered galaxies "hundreds of millions of years old" with stars "hundreds of millions of years old." Scientists are clueless at this moment at least how this can be. If you look into cellular biology, it's just not the best explanation that a cell evolved naturally to work as it does - they are extremely tiny cities.
By 58 min in, after David had for a while been objecting to the idea that one believes the religion one grows up in, I realised how sensitive an issue it is for him, and for Christians in general, because, after all, only 30 % of the human population is Christian, the remaining 70 % follow other religions, or none. If Christianity were the only true religion, one would expect universal take-up. In the absence of that, the situation makes no sense. It implies that God has let down 70 % of the human population, for no reason, and for no fault of their own. This is a difficult area for Apologeticists, so they try to deflect and skirt around it, as David, wary of the pitfall he may easily fall into, is doing. No pastor in a US church is ever going to say to his congregation 'of course it's a curious and inexplicable fact that 2/3 of the human population are not Christian'. It's not what their flock want to here. They want certainty, not doubt. It's why they're there. But the problem strongly points at an objective truth, that Christianity is 'just another religion', and it is seen as true, not surprisingly, among those who already follow it, because they tend to rule the roost in their typical necks of the woods, so they can easily assume they are right, because nothing they encounter tells them otherwise. The same is true for followers of the other religions. Which is exactly why so much chaos and conflict breaks out when these competing irresistible forces bump into each other like they just hit immovable objects. Sorry David, this is where poking gentle fun at your friend is not going to pay off. I can see that you two guys like each other a lot. In other words, the humanity of the two of you counts more than the technicalities of beliefs. It's what I have found with some of my friends, ie the differences don't matter much. The time it matters is with folks who do not adhere to the teachings of Jesus. That's when the Atheists get upset. Because they can see the morality of Jesus, in some of his teachings. And they are among the first and only ones to point out when Christians such as US Evangelicals have deviated from those teachings in pursuit of their own hatreds and prejudices.
"If Christianity were the only true religion, one would expect universal take-up." Why? Don't you think it's unreasonable to expect that everyone would accept the truth regardless of what it is?
