Dawn is the Original Ice: the Last Hero 

Original Ice is Dawn. Current Ice is lightbringer. Eldric shadowchaser, azor ahai, came from the great empire of the dawn wielding a dragon made sword. At some point, those sword were swapped. Dawn might have been the nights king sword. As azor ahai defeated him, he claimed his sword, and returned to starfall. For the next generations, the sword of the morning is the one who wields Dawn, because it brings the morning.

Symbolism in 13 minutes? Madness, who would even try this?

I really like this format. It's nice to get a shorter more singularly focused vid! I always enjoy your content and this is no different!

As much as I like the livestreams, I miss this more profesh content. Keep it coming 👍

"Arthur Danye would have slain me (Ned) were it not for Howland Reed explaining that the Sword of the Morning was originally a Stark sword"

Great summary of a complex idea! I find these short vids more accessible as I can watch them anytime and without having to stop and do something else. And it's easier for me to take in all your analysis- but maybe that's just my short attention span!

Dig the format. For those extra ADHD days, try LML Lite.

Omg! This was great!! I need More of these 13 min videos! I love all your podcasts and live streamings but most of the time I don't really have the time to watch them so this was just PERFECT!

I feel like there were a number of times that Jon mentioned how much he always wanted to wield Ice but knew it was impossible because Ned's sword wouldn't pass to him. Perhaps he was subconsciously drawn to/thinking of the original Ice instead....?

Love the short format! More please!

03:09 It also makes sense as Narsil reforged was renamed Andúril. :) Love the channel

I will ask the question all are thinking; Is The Sword Of The Morning a reference to morning wood?

Woke up at Dawn to find this in my notifications, almost too good to be true.Thanks, LmL!

Excellent work - a perfect snack, to whet the appetite for a longer multi-course meal with wine pairings!

i love that you are using michael klarfeldt's maps! also these new short videos are a great way for the "deplorables" too learn about asoiaf :D

One of the hardest deaths to watch in the show for me was the death of Ice... such a badass sword. And the fact that it was taken by Lannisters was just salt in the wound man...

Love your long work. Love this format too. THANK YOU. The direct to camera is very good. Please keep it up.

I absolutely love this video! Your content is some of the best out there but I don’t always have time for long videos and then I end up forgetting to finish them. Please make more like this!!

I've always been rather fond of this theory. Also, I like this format quite well. I enjoy the livestreams, but this is quite accessible. Thank you.

Excellent job. Always enjoy your work. Watched with a coworker non-book reader fan and he found it very easy to follow along. Looking forward to future videos.

I did love long format, and will always do... but this pills will make you shine as you deserve!!!❤️

Love your content even though I'm catching up on all your thoughts and ideas. Definitely the video series to help make that happen for me, excited for the next installments!

13 minutes of mythhead concentrate. Excellent job, LML.

Excellent stuff as always my man 👊

I love your costumes. And I’ve always believed Dawn was Ice. It was never melted down for the iron throne.

Love the shorter videos! I suffer from a serious blood magic curse of losing my place whilst watching RU-vid (on my phone) and having a hard time finding where I was. Accidentally sliding the bar forwards/backwards, youtube deciding to automatically update halfway through, phone knocking around in my pocket + being an all round clumsy person etc. This is *completely my fault* but I do appreciate only having to sort through 15 minutes of misplaced timestamps instead of 3 hrs 😂😂😂

Fantastic stuff LmL. I expect nothing less.

Fantastic stuff LmL. Keep it up man.

I saw the short video and forgot about the announcement so I figured it was a upload error. Glad to see you expanding your brand and I hope you find some new Mythheads with the lastest endeavor.... As long as I'm commenting your round table about sex workers in Westeros was at the very least on the cusp of groundbreaking journalism.

I was recommended to sub to you by Bridge 4 and now I see why.Good stuff:-)

Another mention of 12 + 1 that I just noticed today in Book 1; a dozen men died at Drogo and Dany's wedding celebration. If you count the death of Drogo it would come to 13 deaths that eventually put Dany on her path (onto the pyre to birth the dragons) in many ways. No idea if anyone has ever pointed this one out before but I thought it was a good one. About to watch this now but I'm sure the content is great as always!

If you enjoyed this then take the deep dive and listen to LML's full length podcasts.

You beautiful beast! Another fantastic video!

Thoroughly enjoyed this video!!!!!!! Makes a lot sense that the sword - Dawn could have been Ice and it was interesting that on the show, we saw a flash back at the tower of joy, when Ned went to check on Lyanna and laid a sword against the bed before he hurried to Lyanna’s side. Was the reason this was done for fan service or was it foreshadowing the need for the sword in season 8 to bring the dawn at the end of the long night?......will be interesting to see if this happens! I agree that it will have to be Jon to wield it! Would love to see more of these kind of videos! Thank you LML!!!!💜 (Love your costumes!)

Loved the 13 ! How fast you can upload a video, you were just at the live stream! Lucifer super powers lol 😂

LOVE the shorter format! I listen while doing other tasks, so I often have to watch in chunks as I'm rarely doing the same task for 3 hours. This will help me not lose the flow of the theory . Hope you'll do more this way.

Ooh, that Sword of the Morning poster (the meteor/sword emblem) is sweet.

LML! Love the content mate! Doing a bang up job! Ive always felt like Dawn was the original Ice. I figured the Original Starks/the Kings Of Winter had made this Icy Sword from an Icy Moon Meteor that landed and created the Black Pool at Winterfell, explaining the Dragon(meteor) under Winterfell, thoughts?

Well this was short.... Surprisingly, I like this short format!!!!

Great job dragon, you hit it out of the ballpark.

Wow, why have i never seen your channel before? This is great. And nice hat! I just subscribed :)

Love the new format, I think it is really accessible. Especially appreciate the drawings (Sanrixian 💜) and the actual quote images, not that it isn't lovely to see your face too! Perhaps some different voices for the quotes could add to it going forward? Thanks LML 😊

Hi LML I love your new video. I think you should edit your Mythical Astronomy & Symbolism video from Con of Thrones to introduce your point of view to budding "Myth Heads". I was a bit intimidated by the material when I first discovered your videos, but you have broadened my world view. Thank you. You should also revisit Asshai in your LML in 13. I was super excited that Alt Shift X mentioned you in his "East: The Strangest Places in Game of Thrones" video along with his use of Sanrixian's artwork. Cheers.

Maybe. Just maybe. Dawn was made by a dragon who breathes white fire??

Old Nan's story (A+ credibility!) of The Last Hero accounts that his sword froze and shattered. He was lost and near death. Somehow in the nick of time, he connected with the Children of the Forest, who were clueless of metal technology. How do you think he got the super-sword Ice/Dawn? P.S. Thanks for the relatively brief and super-focused format. Even though I know you are very knowledgeable, I routinely skip watching all videos exceeding an hour. Less is more!!!

Nice work!

Love short format

This is a great format! I have never heard this theory. Interesting points. If true, do you think it would give any credence to N+A=J?

I need you to be the voice on audiobooks for Game of Thrones.

😀 that quick cut to grey beard lml

I've heard you talk about Thundarr the Barbarian, which is undeniably an inspiration for the world, one has only to watch the opening credits to see that. I mean even the main characters name and appearance is suggestive of Beric Dondarrion. But have you ever seen the opening for a cartoon called Blackstar? I had never heard of it before but I watched it and, well maybe I'm just starting to see Weirwoods, night kings and children of the forest everywhere but the imagery is there. The main character's name is Jon Blackstar and he wields half of a magic sword, the other half of which is wielded by the evil Overlord.

Literary analysis at its finest. Kudos to you sir

I like this bite size LML, very tasty! LOL. Question: I wonder if Ice has any relationship to the swords of the Others, the description of their swords in the Prologue was very similar.

Your videos are top notch

Great job LML! Cant wait for your livestream with grayarea

That intro!! Great video

I think this condensed format came out pretty well, but of course I'm a regular listener of the podcast so I've got plenty of info (and the time to digest it). I'm gonna share it with some friends and see what they think of it.

I have actually also thought that the "war for the Dawn" ws actually who would possess the sword Dawn because it is the key to winning the war to end the long night.

the Ashara Dayne issue with Ned is somewhat a clue for your theory. the affair may not be true but something is sure connected between the Daynes and Starks

Oh damn. You got to this theory 5 years before I thought of this

7:30 You would go to Tahoe and pull an Ice Sword hanging on some cabins roof on the beach 😅 So dope! Hahaha

I like the 13 format. Quick down & Dirty 😏

I enjoyed this delving into the past.

Where did you get that sweater???

Seems like we have more falling stars with magical powers.

I think that the NK using an ice spear to bring down Viserion with radar skills and strength comparable to a F22 Raptor and the Starks sword being called ICE is not a coincidence. Winterfell, Starfall, The Daynes calling Edric NED in spite of Ned killing Arthur Dayne and not returning the body but bringing back the sword Jon was meant to have Longclaw was it really the family sword of the Mormonts? Jorah looked at it like he had never seen it.

I've been watching a bunch of your video's recently. I can't help shake the music that plays at the beginning and end, is that from Monty python?

cool video

Thanks,nice job!

This video produced a weird theory in my head. In the Azor Ahai myth, what if Nissa Nissa was a dragon? The steel came from a meteorite, a dragon, and Azor plunged it into a dragon which are, "fire made flesh", making it doubly a dragon-steel sword. Targaryens are speculated to be even descended from peoples who had relations with dragons, so what if Azor Ahai was one of their earliest ancestors, a man with a dragon consort, or wife.

By the description I have always thought that Dawn was actually some kind of glass-ish ... crystal-ish sword that is some magical kind of dragon glass and early valyrian steel.

Just reading AGOT Dany lll and came across this line. Down in the shadow lands beyond Asshai, they say there are oceans of ghost grass, taller than a man on horseback with stalks as pale as milkglass. It murders all other grass and GLOWS IN THE DARK with spirits of the damned. Got me thinking if the Dawn is the original Ice, the flaming sword of hero’s aka Lightbringer then maybe it glows in the dark when the long night comes, giving it the look that it’s on fire, and it’s not a literal flaming sword. Just a thought.

If the last hero had 12 companions, would that make him the 13th and the commander? Could be where the nights king story get intertwoven

beautiful man

LML in 13! It's the tide pod equivalent, so consentrated and so powerful 👍😬

great video LML

Dawn being lightbringer is my primary theory on lightbringer so far. I think ned brought it to the crypts and jon will wield it or ned used it and renamed it Ice.

Thanks

I love this!

Thank you, that was great.

All right follow me here because I wanna build off the theories you have. Dawn is the original Ice, but like you said it was given the name dawn after it broke the long night. Which means it has to be the sword wielded by azor ahai. Which means it was crafted by killing Nissa nissa, but not by stabbing here. Like you said the moon cracked when he did that and rained down meteors. And the sword was crafted from one of those meteors.

Jon always wanted ice!!! To get original ice would be awesome.

Great video lml ,isnt azor ahai from ashai?

LML should’ve done the damn show!!!

I love how LmL in 13 is actually 15.

Just a question: do we know IF the NK ( either version) even HAS a sword in his possession?

Im not so sure the Last Hero was a Stark. I always liked the idea that everyones favourite house was acctually the villains in that story. Sure, Dawn was the original Ice, wielded by the Nights King, but the Last Hero was a Dayne, who defeated the Nights King, ended the Long Night, and took the sword to Starfall and named it Dawn, and created the title Sword of the Morning. But the Nights King was after the Long Night people will say, and the Nights King was defeated by his brother, Im not sure about that either, the timeline is extremely uncertain at least until the Andals arrived with writing. And the Starks and the Daynes couldve been closely related back then, either by marriage, or by ties to the GEotD (Bloodstone Emperor = Stark, and Amethyst Empress = Dayne) This time a Stark, Jon, will take Dawn from an evil Dayne, Gerold, and end the Long Night 2.0, righting the wrongs of his ancester, the Nights King, inversing the last time. Nah, its just wishful thinking from me, fanfic, but I do love to fantasize about all this stuff :D

Yep it's a theme in the old Germanic and Norse story of the Siegfried & Brunhilda both follow a falling star make love and split the .meteorite and he forges a sword and name it after his father's broken sword and she forges a spear...Benno Furman plays Siegfried in Dark kingdom dragon lord and a few other names for the same film just released in different countries. Its Vvagners inspiration for his famous opera where we get the phrase "it's not over till the fat lady sings " often a large woman singing in blonde braids and a " Viking helmet"... he kills the dragon fafnir with the starsword and takes the 1 ring and lays claim to the treasure of the Neibergerlands?spelling? The people of mist and shadow? They're basically ghosts....anyways it's an Inspirtion of Tolkien's along with his experience at Flanders field...WW1

Lol I remember those sword references. About dawn/ morning light. I thought it might be of some note.

One question has me always puzzled with this. That knowledge of 'the name it bore was much older' came from Catelyn’s POV, so she knows this? You’d think maybe the knowledge would pass down to the Lords of Winterfell, which would explain Ned returning the blade after Tower of Joy, but would they tell their wives? Their sons? Who else? Is it common knowledge?

Or Jon is a Dayne. He is the son of Ned Stark and Ashara Dayne. Order of the Greenhand proved that in their series about it.

This format has mass likeability.

maybe dragon steel was the empire of the dawn’s precursor version of Valyrian steel.

Kudos brother. Did you study literature? Your analysis is captivating at the least

Love it!

Well done LML

More evidence that John is the son of Ashara Dayne and Brandon Stark if he's going to wield Dawn. Instead of having to go back 5 generations for it to make sense in the R+L =J variant, it just makes sense. As the son of a Dayne + Stark, wouldn't that be way cooler as it unites the houses, thus bringing Ice + Dawn back together?

13 minutes of morning light to end this long, northern, winter night 😍

Dawn, to be carried by a formerly fallen Stark💜

This was great! But why in 13 minutes? What is the symbolism behind that? Surely it's not a coincidence :)