Daylight DC1: World’s First 60 Hz E-Paper! 

That's greatly appreciated!

Do people really need it like it’s just kindle on steroids??

@@_haru007_ I would love a device where I can read my Kindle, but also write my journal, markdown PDFs, textbooks and reports, and type emails on. Yes, absolutely, we need a Kindle on steroids - one that is not bogged down by distractions.

I think a longer term review is necessary in this case as it is "new" technology, but what I think will be the most valuable addition is a comparison with e-note devices like the Remarkable and Onyx Boox devices that you mentioned briefly. This is maybe not within your typical target market of consumer electronics, but e-note devices are quite attractive for me personally and I think a large portion of knowledge workers share the same sentiments. I think Daylight missed the mark with their misleading marketing and price - they kind of targeted standard readers and kind of targeted traditional tablets, but in my opinion they should have gone straight for the e-note market. I think the tradeoff they made by not going the e-ink route is actually fine for e-note users considering the refresh rate improvements seem to be worth it. The screen still looks pretty decent from the videos I've seen, but it is difficult to get a proper grasp over how it compares to more direct competitors.

Would appreciate a review of outdoor usage. For this price, it needs serious consideration, so any additional review helps.

I was gonna watch the video until the first comment, yours, was shown. That’s ridiculous. No reason to even hear it out.

Not really. I’m not saying it’s cheap but it’s definitely a niche product with a specific market segment. I mean they 4 batches each is a 1000 units (I believe), So that’s not bad for the first GEN product in a niche market.

It's competing with the Boox Tab Ultra C pro at least. It's not really fair to compare everything to the iPad in specs. This is a niche product that overcomes E-ink shortcomings.

@@FreeRangeLemonit’s pure comedy how poorly this device is being launched.

729$ and with that processor! God!!!

A) The existence of the possibility to turn it back on - will always mess with your head. B) Switching to grayscale + a matte screen doesn't solve the blue light and PWM (flicker) C) Most importantly, the iPad will still have an emissive backlight that messes with circadian rhythms.

Do it in the SUN while you’re at it Einstein. Edit: and RIP to your battery life.

Display in the video is not e-Ink. Joke is on me 💀.

​@@drashyagoel5782and tis is also a really pointless product too, why do you need 60 hz for a e ink display, the point of it is supposed to be slow

If you have an iPad Pro with a matte screen protector, you can just toggle on the grayscale option, and not only will it save you battery, but keeps the 120 HZ that the Daylight advertised, and does whatever the daylight does BETTER. Seriously, I don’t know whats up with these companies thinking that just by selling the idea of a machine built around productivity, that they can cheap out on a device that should’ve been priced $200 considering all the components used.

depends. the reason we ditched reflective lcd in the first place is because it reflected a low amount of ambient light - epaper is much better in this respect. if their lcd technology has a high enough reflectivity, it's good (although it needs to be much cheaper)

​@@purplelord8531 No e-paper is a technology term which describes a screen that can keep it's state even when the device loses power like paper.

​@@purplelord8531 No e-paper is a technology term which describes a screen that can keep it's state even when the device loses power like paper.

@@asandax6 No it doesn't. Pebble for example commonly marketed its reflective LCD displays as e-paper and no one had a problem with that. Same with many other applications of RLCD. It's called e-paper because it doesn't emit light, like paper.

It doesn't emit light though and is usable in super bright outdoor light just like e-ink so I think calling it LCD would be even more confusing. When you look at it in person it looks just like e-ink, just with a higher refresh rate.

Same!

Lenovo Tablet M11 is like 199 and is way better.

​@@ermocrate ehm, it's just a tablet with ordinary backlit screen?

Waiting for better economies of scale to bring the price down. Better if competitors will help bring it to market. And might consider it at ipad prices if you can draw on it like paper and it has color

Why $299? Just say $300, you're not on the marketing team lmao

🤣 the worst of both world

i mean it has all the benefits of an lcd, and in this particular case i find it more appealing than e-ink, and niche first gen product may be expensive, but damn, its not that hard to say that you are making a better lcd to compete with e-ink

@@bazasgruntas Does it can reproduce colors like an LCD?

​@@bazasgruntas I'll wait until they have a colored 60hz e-ink screen

That’s a really weird way to put it. It actually has the benefits of BOTH E-ink and LCD, it’s 60hz and non emissive. Of course it also has a couple drawbacks of both, but you framed it dishonestly as if it were only negatives.

exactly! let's focus on their unique selling points!

Personally the advantage of E ink is the long battery life and the viewing angles so this seems pointless id rather a black and white OLED than LCD.

Transflective LCD typically means that they replaced the backlight layer behind the LCD with reflective layer. So now instead of light behind shining THROUGH the LCD, the light is now a "frontlight" that shined on top and reflected back. Think of it like those casio digital watch display, but have dense pixels grid like a screen instead of just number display. Basically, the only difference between this and a traditional backlighted LCD is that it's reflective. It's just a downgraded lcd that doesn't do color and have poor contrast. It does not have the "paper-like" benefit of an e-ink (besides being reflective), like the extreme-viewing angles or retaining the "ink" when powered off mentioned in the video. For a device for reading, I can't say I care too much about the low refresh rate. The poor soc probably doesn't get much productive work done on this device anyway. As for eye strain, DC dimming is certainly an advantage, but not every traditional backlighted LCD use PWM dimming. A lot of the ipads that uses plain old ips lcd does not have pwm dimming, or have very high-frequency pwm on lowest brightness setting (higher-frequency = less detectable = less strain). If you raise the brightness a bit the pwm will go away. Those ipad pros that have LCD with mini-led backlight or OLED does unfortunately have pwm dimming. Notebookcheck typically test for pwm flickering when they review their devices, you can check their website to see which devices uses pwm dimming if you're curious. The 0 blue-light "frontlight' is also an advantage if you're sensitive to blue-light, but honestly I don't think I can read using the extreme amber light. You can blend in some of the "cool" white light to balance it out, but you'll be adding some blue-light back. And at that point there's not much different than the night shift or low blue-light mode on your phones or laptop which also help reduces blue-light

Fair point. I may have understated the importance of being able to use it outdoors. But at the same time, I found it tough to adapt this device to the way I like to work (with a keyboard), and the lack of a stand/keyboard did not make it easy.

​@@JoshuaChang Yes you really understated the main point of the product. And I think that's why they don't want to say it's an LCD because people are ignorant and will say "ah it's just a transflective LCD" when it's clearly not your average transflective LCD

Yeah, from the get-go, the company did have a major Humane/Rabbit vibe. The lack of details about the company itself on their website, lack of technical papers about their rebranded display tech - it was giving shady. Although after the whole Humane debacle, I am sceptical they will send a review unit to MKBHD

I watched that video and I was impressed at first and liked his charisma, but then as it went on it just devolved into a some weird tech enlightenment cult vibe. Their marketing is just so misleading I think it has effectively buried them already. New brands need to build trust, and right now they have started themselves in a really poor position.

How is “like e-ink, but better” deceptive?

I also waiting for JerryRigEverything to rip this thing apart and seeing what's actually inside the screen

@@rfichokeofdestinyit’s deceptive when there is no where in their website that specific what the technology actually is rather than “e-ink but better” or “live paper display”. In Specs page you literally should list out the specs, instead of only the marketing terms.

Well, maybe they should try to make a great product, instead of bullshitting people. This is a cut down android tablet with an LCD screen with a reflective back. You know what LCD started with? A reflective back. It wasn't "white", but that mostly just the color of the coating. This company is trying to sell a cheap as shit product for an insane price by dazzling people with a fancy website and misleading wording.

@@GoBBLeS666 they have clarified on this already, you are just stating the obvious.

@@grandcalifornia8410 Yet they keep trying to bullshit people.

And it wasn’t even “deceptive.” Not to anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together anyway.

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If you use Gmail on Chrome you can achieve email. The issue is that this guy decides to use the most resource-intensive app

@@saantii Seems like he received a new testing unit and the app was working just fine on that one.

@@drashyagoel5782 thanks for the heads up

That was just a screen recording from their website 😅

I'm not 100% sure, but it seems to be very similar to “Alexon RR Light Regular.”

It's ABC Arizona from Dinamo

Dude, their website and marketing is just 🔥 I was blown away by their website! I mean, they might be scammy, but they know how to market. Like.. damn!

From what I saw in another video, the backlight is not required. You can use it in direct sunlight.

Also your review was wonderful!!

Wow! I will be waiting for your review!!

They can’t be paying royalties for e-ink because there is no e-ink technology. I think the price comes from low volume manufacturing on a new display they developed.

Here’s what they said: - Reading without backlight 67 hours - RU-vid without backlight 30 hours - Reading with 30% backlight Amber brightness 30 hours In my personal experience, with backlight on 100%, probably drains in 8-10 hours. If used indoors, I found 100% to be necessary.

@@JoshuaChang Thanks for the info.

Ink monitors are already on sale: Bigme B251 or Dasung 133 or ONYX BOOX Mira PRO/////Уже есть в продаже мониторы на чернилах: Bigme B251 или Dasung 133 или ONYX BOOX Mira PRO.

It’s standard EMR. Like most e ink tablets have. ATM with the contrast and slow cpu it has little over the other e ink Android tablets with Wacom tech

nope, as a former rm2 user, I can say that it's too limited. the lack of third party apps is really a bummer. now using the Boox Note 3 Air C instead, with sound and notifications turned off. I'm thinking of selling my iPad Air.

Yeah they went way overboard on the dynamic scrolling thing. It's unusable.

Its called crypto mining

No it definitely is LCD. Layers don't matter what matters is that there's a liquid crystal inside that they are using to darken the display. This is a Transmissive and Reflective (Transflective) LCD. Smart watches have and calculators have had them for a long time.

I agree. Still refresh rate is a big thing. Not to watch movies but for us who want a digital sketch book. Even color I would put lower I need than refresh rate. And this is not to scroll stuff or watch movies but to have a smooth drawing experience. Same with resolution. I rather take even higher black and white res over color Still I get that if you use it more for pure not taking and reading then color can be good still I see the need of color mostly for annotation and hilighting Color for me really is only needed for comics. Again different use cases. Just wanted to point out my use case.

@@litjellyfish I just like to think of the current best, cheapest usage for E-paper: You actually see it as price-tags in stores. Near completely static, powerless; but still updateable. Makes me wonder if we could have houses with E-Paper wallpaper in the future - low refresh rate, but can paint any pattern in any color at a moment's notice, and it will stick without power usage... now THAT is e-paper