DBG: Rip 769 HP Ford 351 Cleveland, Now We Now The Rest Of The Story...No Band-Aid Fix 

Brent, I deeply appreciate the help and support. After quick ck things over we can chat. Thanks for being there for me my friend.

It’s great to see Lykins Motorsports along for the ride. Brent’s expertise with Clevelands is clearly evident in each one that he builds.

"A Friend in need is a Friend indeed." Come on guys. Follow Brent Lykins lead!

Thank you to all of you who have helped so far. I appreciate you Bill. Thanks for carrying the banner. Ford….

Keeping the Cleveland going, top level support

Tom, you may be right. I will have her help me tear it down actually both girls. Should be fun and learning experience, I love my little girls.❤️

That’s how I look at it. Also the picker I have has a slow leak, when raised will slowly go down. So have to keep pumping and shifting. Back and forth. Need a helper Fred.

It sure did. Grief stricken, but lucky. Going with a new stefs pan and pick up.

Great idea for sure. Will find the one I like and install. Glad it wasn’t worse too. 🏁👍👍

I know, me too. Always worked on my back. I would like to have a drive on. Things happen when they happen. We all say hello, glad you enjoy the video. Stay tuned. 💯🏁🇺🇸

I try to get them involved as much as I can. But not force them too. Thanks Richard

Wow that sucks Jerry. Never had an issue with drive shaft. Been running billet one for years. Just installed new one on this build. Learned a lot, the hard way.

Thank you. Trying to teach them things they will never learn anywhere else. Not just engines but about life and how to deal with problems. Control is key, be the leader not the follower I tell them. We got this, it will be better than ever.

@@DragBoss351Cleveland Eggxactly.....

Yes, very unfortunate, but it shows the weak point Bob. That’s a lesson Lord. I made for the first time in 40 years. Get a custom-made pan. I talked to. Stefs yesterday, I can send them my pan and an oil pump and they will take care of everything. This might be a better improvement than me trying to make it better. Although I know what I would do would probably be sufficient.

You’re exactly right, now add heat, forces, pick up getting dropped scratched whatever. Breaking where it may also be contributory. But we have a plan. It’s just an old 1970, two bolt block, been beating on it for 11 years. Some stronger than others, to me earlier the better. Before patterns got a ton of use, which has a factor in core shift to me.

You’re most welcome. That’s what’s different about this channel, it’s not just about racing, engines, it’s about families and involvement. It’s about teamwork. I’m going to see if I can talk the Bossettes and helping me tear it down today. Stay tuned.

Yea. New bottom end. ie crank and rods. Not messing with that crank. Will make a nice street build. Get two sets of rods, from Molnar and put this crank in another build. Hell got plenty of parts. Yes I have a plan, will make a quick follow up video. Thank Nobody

@@DragBoss351Cleveland I bottomed out 15 years ago (lightly) in a field at the barn yard track and just cracked my pick up tube. It took all my bearings out & my isky flat tappet too. I've forgot to turn the water pump on & fogged my crank with bearing material. A lot going on in prep to the line, co pilot's exist for a reason. If we had gauges next to our cut off switch's on the back of the car & a crew with an eye on outside readable oil pressure with access to the switch... it wouldn't happen. One thing about problems... there's always something to be learned. I enjoy seeing your little one geared up for surgery with the gloves ready to operate. I have three granddaughters that have all graduated High School, there into going to the track but not so much workin on cars. I've got a set of K-1's at 711 grams I can't get replaced at weight because I was one of the lucky ones that got the lightest set of BBC H-Beams ever made. It's always something.

@Nobody-ld7mk right on. We all can that’s racing and it is. But like you said. I learned a lot from this failure. I also know I am not the only one that never heard this about a Cleveland. I have a few changes I will implement. Which will improve my safety and the Cleveland’s. The little ones hopefully will continue to enjoy the time in DBG with Dad. They learn things they will never learn at school. Grateful Tom Molnar (k1) is helping me with new crank and rods, and will talk to him about a couple of future builds. He is a humble man. Always something to learn.

Thanks for the condolences. I am sick about it, but have to look at the good. The lessons learned and no damage so to speak. I never bent it, not welded so to speak but brazed from Moroso. I thank you for the kind words you speak. I try my best to help others with my videos and experience I have. I am not some pro. Just a guy in his shed, with a love of Cleveland’s and racing and cars. This will be even better than ever. Good luck with your build, glad my channel helps.

Thanks hd, at my age in no hurry as you can tell by my channel, and love the Bossettes to help, but if I need to get something done, I ain’t waiting around for the paint to dry. Bad break, pun intended

Learning a lot of new stuff about this whole situation. There are so many forces in motion never even thought about it. Any scratch Nick any damage to a pick up cause of the vibration to localize that area and crackola.

Thanks, Robert, he works at BES, I’m met him through an email, and we’ve been friends for the past few years. So we’ve been working on some projects together. Hopefully you saw the secret A3 heads on this channel that he did talk about custom. he works at BES. Those secret A3 heads, are going on a 427 aluminum Cleveland that’s at that shop now. Plan is just 850 hp. Thank you it’s the first car I’ve owned, my buddy painted it 40 years ago. I don’t think I’ve ever washed it in about 10 years.

Have to look at the positive. Could have been much worse. I would try to fab a thicker tube and/or a gusseted one like you showed.

@treyrags I sure am. I was so lucky no explosion no Injuries. Be back better than before. Old builder on board. Stefs pan and pick up, they will help me.

BandR, the craziest. I have never seen it either. But common in racing and I missed the message. I know. The choice is either I fix it with bracing which I know it will be fine. I did talk to Stan at stefs yesterday. He said he could take care of everything. Make a new pan much better than what I have, send a new oil pump and they will place it in the right area and braze everything. Versus doing it myself. Darin Morgan told me yesterday that windage teas loose power I think that tree may have contributed at least in a vibration effect, but it’s evident the harmonics are present, trying to break this oil pick up every time it makes a pass. PS my old engine builder Bob who is now 82 is coming out of retirement. Help me get this back together. I think you may remember him from his other episodes he’s been in.

Yep, pulled it off quick and in the trash, just like the crank and rods.

The pick up broke right after the weld, this was the best running engine I’ve ever had. We’ll get her back going. Mailing does not make any select series. I talked with stefs yesterday, they want me to send the pan and an oil pump and they can hook me up. Seriously thinking about doing this. That would be the only change to my oiling system.

You’re exactly right Lou, I went back and watched tons of the runs and in car stuffing recording it, I can even say it was before that. See the things been running so well, I really only watch the oil pressure when it starts up, sometimes I’ll look down at it. My car has always run the same, as the runs you have seen. Never an issue with running, you see that. But have become lax, my fault. someone said bad weld. I will get my surgical loops on and examine. I appreciate you commenting, I’m trying to have a channel that no one else has, just a normal guy and a normal family, living and learning together. I don’t have much time left on this earth, so I have to give what I can to my kids, things that were taught to me. Survival skills. Common sense. and being a real person living by your word. Our name is our bond, that our family is all we have. The rest material. I enjoy the guest also but I really need to be doing is one a week. Seriously I could spend 8 to 10 hours a day doing this, and have. very time-consuming, mentally and physically. But I have you guys to support me and my family. And it is entertainment or lessons learned. But like I always say you’re always seeing and learning something new at DragBossGarage.💯🏁❤️🇺🇸

In any performance Cleveland, I run two oil gauges. One off the front, one off the back. The front always has a steady pressure, the one on the back of the block bounces back and forth a bit.

Thanks, Mohan, the people that thought the driveshaft was broken, was a vast majority. There are a few that mentioned the pick up, in a multitude of other things. It is a bummer, but it’s a learning experience, no one got hurt. The damage is somewhat minimal. And I have help from sponsors to get the parts, my old engine builder, Bob, who you know who he is, is coming out of retirement 82, you think it’s fast now stay tuned.

I understand John age are limiting factor now. We have to do what work we can. That’s why it takes me two weeks to get the engine out instead of two hours. It’s a lot of work on your back, up and down, so I take it easy. Good luck with the old cat

Thanks Patrick for commenting. Sounds like you’re well connected. Love hearing this story. Move back, only half hr away from Elyria. See you soon

Nope needs bottom half.

Thanks. It does not suck no more….oil. I used to do that, but with a motor plate no need. Not sure which is easier.

You are so right Steve definitely harmonics. Then add heat, stress, two forces, everything is a factor. I just never ran into this on a Cleveland. I’ve heard about the big BBF issue. he has tough to talk to, I’m still waiting for a callback, from Cliff. I don’t want to hassle them or keep bothering, the door opens when it’s ready. This may be a project for my old engine builder, Bob and myself. Hmmmm😎

You got that right Johnny, I’m not sure if I’m going to do that myself, I did talk to stefs yesterday, they asked me to send them a oil pan and a pick up and they will make me something. I’ll never have to worry about. Versus me trying to make that pick up better. PS I was like shiny aluminum.

Thank you, my friend. The pick up had no support. And with components of heat, stress, harmonics, GF forces, it was all over. We have a plan worked out, so stay tuned for that. Yes I love to see him getting their hands, dirty, too, and thinking and trying to figure things out. Glad you’re here Mark.

John, I was wrong too. I was hoping for all the same things. But remember things happen for a reason, and now I know the reason. Now I’m giving a second chance so I use the lessons I’ve learned and make things better. I don’t know about 800 hp, as I don’t plan on even using a dominator. I’m happy right where it is, what I can get from freshening up. You will like this. My old engine builder Bob, you’ve seen him in episodes. He is 82 now. He’s coming out of retirement and we’re going to build this together on my channel. You think it was fast, stay tuned, my friend, keep the faith

Exactly exactly Iggy, these are all lessons to learn for all who watch the channel. That little Bossette thinks she’s the boss. I like it. Shows she wants to take control and get things done. Great skill to have. It ain’t a Cat in the Hat, but it will be back at the track.

@DragBoss351Cleveland cat in the hat 😂 I like it like that ! Ok I will show myself out now 😁

@iggyfritz7150 before you go, I will let you know, I’m good to go.

That’s what I’m talking about Peter. Live and learn. Rebuild with family help and get ready for the next battle.

Hey Tim, To be honest with you I was trying to send you a subliminal message through the TV. To just pull the pan in the car. That the oil pickup tube broke off. But you found some of the rods were cooked. So you did the right thing getting thr engine out. SORRY, that your having to go through the engine. ❤ you and your family. Getter done MR. FORD KING… lol

Don’t. Be sorry Terry, it is an expensive lesson for me, but as you said may help others. Bbf have an issue with this. Never seen it in a cleveland. Darin said harmonics. Thanks for the compliment. I also think it sounds like no other engine I have had before. And she holds her own on the track. I will get it taken care of. Appreciate you my friend. Wait until I tell Warren Johnson he will be busting my butt on this one.

@jmr1970 😎Ford King. I like that. I was going to pull pan and laying under car, I was like no op all that time, smell of oil. No way this is good. Yank her out. We will get it tore down and see what other issues there may potentially be. Stay tuned.

Right on. New bottom end needed. New custom oil pan and pick up from stefs. Done with chances. Yes sir team DragBoss.

General bummer. Nothing lost nothing gained.

If I choose, just need different rear crossmember. Wants to use my front sump until I get the 427 aluminum Cleveland done at BES. Then switch to rear. Yes that look. Had to go back and watch. 😳

Then that crazy sound that they always had, his heart rates beating faster. He’s the $6 million man baby man what a show that was when we were kids I remember pretending to be him back in the day, and running like a bastard. But you’re right stronger and faster that’s my goal.

You got this already Chad, so you see what I was thinking. May not have been the best and turn up the wick and new frequencies abound. Talked with Stefs and Sending in my pan and new pump. They will take care of the rest.

That is a fact, do what you got to do. Dying to know and now wish I did not. 😳

Thank you, Adrian, old roadie, with smiling ear to ear trust me. But this is my fault. I should’ve known a week point. Never seen it. I’ve only heard about it now I’ve experienced it. We are going to tear it down and rebuild it. No Band-Aid bring it back 100%. If you remember my old builder, Bob, He’s been in some episodes. I’ve featured. 82 is coming out of retirement and we’re gonna make this thing nastier than it’s ever been. I’m glad you’re here, keep the faith, my friend.🙏

I don’t think so. That is right. To me minimal damage. Yes and reinforce with strap the pick tube too. More to come. Stay tuned.

Greetings back to you, my European friend. That’s pretty bad weather. No eight weeks of good weather saddening. But do what you Gotta do to try to get things done get back on the Autobahn Bart.

@@DragBoss351Cleveland not in a hurry. Working on the chevelle now to.. hoping to get the body done in august. Then its interior time

@hoedemakerbart well keeping busy. Now I can work on 409c, 354c, Jack Roush engine and 69 Mustang. In the 80s now.

New pan and pick up from stefs, let a pro make it better.

Patrick , I haven’t even gotten a park yet but I know the crank and rods are done. The crank I don’t know if I’ll leave even bother messing with that. Just replace and start over. I never thought it was common either. A lesson for us all to learn. Stay tuned. We going to get this back together at DBG 💯🇺🇸🏁

Appreciated. But another lesson learned for me and others. Never happen again. Come back with a plan with Stan form Stefs.

I agree Kenny. I will keep you posted, stay tuned. 👍

I think the block is good, crank not taking a chance, really need to get it apart

Thank you so much, I sure do too. That is all we got ❤️

Sure will. Better than new.

Well then. Thanks. Now we will make it even better. With my 82 year old engine builder entering the scene. 🇺🇸💯🏁

You are so right this is something that you can die from a simple mistake like this. I am very fortunate that this is all that happened. And that’s how I’ve been looking at it. Lesson learned for all and especially myself. Some new changes coming forward.I talked to my old builder the other day, he said stop monkey around, get the thing apart let’s get it going and get it done. It needs a rebuild. Don’t try to cut corners. I’m in good hands now he’s coming out of retirement at age 82 to put DragBoss in the 9.20d. Stay tuned.

Agreed. No not asking for analysis, just want to see if it correlates with damage. Needs new bottom end.

Mario, not a good situation, needs bottom end. Taken care of. Get a custom pan and pick up. Want a pro job.

It sure does. Thanks. Here is another quick one. Alaina's Garage: Doing Rear Brakes 2013 Ford F150, Use Your Emergency Brake, So It Does Not Freeze ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gBfseDV9uQ0.html

@@DragBoss351Cleveland that's great!!! 2015 F150 on this end. :). Looks about the same underneath.

@johnnymossville we teach our kids similarly, good old-fashioned values and hard work. I just had 100,000 miles, oil change every 3000 and I only run premium fuel, otherwise you get carbon buildup on the intake valves from direct injection. Glad to your here Johnny. 🏁

Yeah, that makes me laugh now, but it made me sick when I saw it, I think you can see the emotion. But you are so right it is good news, nothing exploded, I didn’t crash, no one got hurt. It’s just parts. I will make it much better. But it tells me ABC, my oil mods work, and I don’t think I’m changing nothing. Definitely have the pick up brace, maybe even a custom built pick up with no welds, I’m going to talk to oil pans they may want to help me they may have better idea. But I’ll tell you one thing,with all you guys there to support me and help me get through this, DBG has this covered baby. I think you’re gonna enjoy this next chapter.

@@DragBoss351Cleveland Yeah, the look on your face was priceless, (sorry) You could see the genuine emotion in that moment. (heartbreak & disappointment) I watched your in car video several times, I even slowed down the play back speed so I could calculate the time without O/P. It was without O/P for approximately One (1) second under load, not counting the Idling time afterward. Also your O/P was fluctuating before it dropped to zero (when engine was at steady RPM). Tim, you did nothing wrong!! Please don't beat yourself up, Remember - "Sh*t Happens" as hard as this is , It is part of racing. My recommendation is a red O/P warning light. (I always had one in my stock cars, no time to look at gauges) And one other thing regarding personal safety, Please always have your daughters tie their hair back when working around the car or engine. Others have mentioned this as well, very dangerous. Thanks for the reply, AC

@abcullens2328 yea sir it does happen. And I did not get any on me. All great recommendations. I mentioned to her about hair, did you hear what she said? With this combo, start fresh. Glad your here

No worries mate. We will get her back in the game. It’s great to have the Bossettes help and learn. Hot and humid here

Wowser what a story bill. Cool stuff. I notice. What looked like braze on some pick up and pumps. Good to know. I found out any damage can cause stress risers. I guess I never thought there was much stress, only my stress. If you’re interested in getting rid of anything let me know. I may be able to use it. Here is my email thpa351@gmail.com. Thanks

At least it's not a cracked block thank goodness👍🏻

@danonoveh8114 highly doubt it but who knows 2 bolt 1970……11 years of abuse.

No worries Marc. I think crank it bad. No worries, I can get a new one from Molnar. We got this my friend.

According to the research I did, a new Molnar would be a good choice. Callies has an impressive operation and works with a local foundry to control details like the metallurgical properties of their cranks as needed based on the intended usage. Sounds expensive but it might actually be one of those get what you pay for deals 🤷‍♂️🇺🇸

@danielwilson6665 yes Callies, has a great company, in this case, I might be able to get the crank taken care of at shaft tech, a guy that used to work for Callies, who started his own company. We had the crank finished. However, I’m here of using used parts like this when Tom Molnar will help me out with a crank and rods, it only makes sense to replace. I will build another 408 down the road.

@@DragBoss351Cleveland The existing crank was finished to perfection but the extreme heat treating it received without oil pressure probably rendered it useless. The new Molnar assembly definitely makes sense 🏁

Have been debating that, external wet sump, but that is a 2k cost right there. Pump is a grand. I have learned what I do for oil mods is working well. I have a new pick up. So it will be fixed with supports. New crank and rods and lifters. Those lifters are 11 years old. Thanks Greg

Are you talking about a belt driven pump?

Pros: External oil pressure adjustment, almost eliminates distributor gear wear, a little more power from less windage, and ability to easily prime engine before startup. Cons: cost and small worry about belt getting knocked off by debris

I think truck/tractor/ heavy equipment supply shops have an oil pressure safety switch. I bought one in the 60's and it saved me once when I made the 4th gear change. The oil filter blew and oil covered everything immediately, and the engine shut down. It happens so fast that you aren't aware anything went wrong. But we learn. Saved an engine, me and the car. I seem to recall it was made by Bendix then. Still have it.

All of tha to overcome poor quality materials.I understand an upgrade idea though. ​@bryanmaloney6651

Wished I would knew this from the 80s, lot I don’t remember. Thanks Adam

Thanks Bobby. Very unique combo you have. Yes very common to most, but I have never seen it. Harmonics, heat, stress all contributing factors. I will come up with a solution for this. Stay tuned. Glad you enjoy the channel. Yes check yours.

@@DragBoss351Cleveland Absolutely!

Don’t be me.

It’s ok. Learning a lot…. More. Not good, maybe you can heli cool it.

Pulling the head and taking to my engine builder. Putting in heli coils. On all 4holes. Heads are old and have had a lot of abuse.. should be good. I hope yours doesn't cost a lot. I love the segment you did on Bob Glidden. Out standing. He is why I chose ford's.

@garycarpenter3685 good luck Gary. Right move. Yes Gidden is the man. We got this. Stay tuned.

It does. But I learned a lot. I think crank it junk. I can get the rods and crank from Molnar. I am getting a low pressure light. Yes so lucky. 🙏

Mike , have not been around much. Had to walk away from engine, for a couple of weeks. Working way more than normal. Lots of family stuff. Hoping no tranny issues and I can just freshen motor.

@DragBoss351Cleveland you do what you can and things will progress. Do you make list of things to do in some kind of order and adjust to what life gives you?

@michaelclanton1152 I have to make lists. Good old pen and paper. Keeping things electronically does not work for me. Lotta of good stuff happening Michael. Had to walk away for a bit. Live life.

Ed, Darin said it was harmonics common problem. But all things contribute, stress, heat, and g force with weight of oil. He braces all pick ups and braze them In. The welds as per buddy, are not penetrated well. You take care and stay tuned.

Listen Marvin, this is new to me. I’ve heard about it on big Blackford, but after talking to professionals, I know a couple. This is a common problem. Once you get to a certain horsepower level. It’s definitely due to harmonics, RPM, heat, and stress. Many people have said they change the pick up with every rebuild. This pick up is a factory Moroso, but it’s old. You are so right about thinking about your pick up. I will tell you this I’ve learned a lot of lessons on this and hopefully others havetoo. Do you think she’s cooking now? Stay tuned.

I am very blessed. I appreciate you and noticing that. 🙏👍

The crank may be good. I may have that cleaned up used for a mild build or sell. 4 rods are not even worth looking at from my point of view. Just replace and start fresh.

@DragBoss351Cleveland I had some transmission parts get that black with the 727 now I have a th400.

Who can do crank grinding around here? I went to moldex years ago for .010 on rod journal. You may go to Molnar now that I think of it.​@DragBoss351Cleveland

@michaelclanton1152 hope all is well. I have never seen that in a transmission, the bluing. The debris, many times.

@michaelclanton1152 I think shaftech, who finished the crank can. I am going to buy a new crank from Molnar. Maybe have that old crank cleaned up and evaluate it. Maybe for a street build.

No doubt, your right on. band aid not applicable here. She will come out swinging.

Dam straight Brian. But taught me some lessons. Now I know what I do for oil mods works well. So tear down and see what I need. Thanks

Made me sick John. All these years of hard work. Over in 9.37 seconds. But I have learned that what I do for oil mods works and can survive. Will have a new pick up made or reinforce a new one. Just happen to have a new. Pan and pickup. They stopped making this pan, years ago.

I definitely would be "down" after a crazy failure like the pickup breaking off. That engine runs SO good. I have always wondered how much the pickup "moves around" vibrating with the engine. That pickup failed in a damn short time, IMO. There may well have been a small Crack right from the start.

@johnsalvaterra3116 I know John. Unbelievable. My buddy said it was a poor weld, some edge looked irregular but don’t know. Learned alot with this controlled lesson. I know my oil mods work.

Vamp, there are no words to describe, from my standpoint. But this is a learning experience for me and you. Now I can make things better than they were and will be fresh. This 409 sat for close to five years before I made a pass. Now let’s see what a fresh engine will do.😉💯🏁

Have not done much, let it sit and spent time with family, past few weeks. Need to get back on it. Talked to molnar and he will help me with crank and rods. Will need lifters. Getting new pan and pick up from stefs. Try and make a video this weekend. Frank Iaconio invited us to the races, so will be there Sunday. I had Steve Morris on for a live chat. Great guy. You know my association with BES. Stay tuned

@@DragBoss351Cleveland Try and line up the parts needed Tim. Deposit or bought in hand. Things are going to get crazy in the USA next few months. Likely no parts available maybe even for daily drivers. I spent a small fortune $$$$ last 4 months buying all to get my 1970 Pontiac T/A back on the Road. Also parts for the daily drivers. Also get it now before more Super Inflation kicks in.

@brracing7861 I have doing it slowly and bought parts previously. Including gasket set, head gaskets, and roller lifters. Our country need help and hope it is on the way.

Common I goes from research. I have never seen it. I will get her fixed up. Hell yeah!

I thought about it Greg, but already had my mind made up to pull the engine. With what happened I had a feeling it would never be anything salvageable so to speak. Leak down tester got dropped by accident so need another one. Tom Molnar will help me with crank and rods so good with that. I also know that what I do for oil mods is sufficient and works well. No change there. Upon researching found that this is a common problem, especially bbf. Someone had mentioned the black bearing coating from bearings. All good

No way brother she’s cooked to the gills. I did the analysis, just to see the difference between the two. Lake Speed Jr. will come on and do a live chat, discuss the results, we can discuss oils or rings people love to talk about this stuff he’s the man to talk to. I hope you’re there. Just sit back and see what happens next. I’ve got a plan in mind.

@DragBoss351Cleveland I commented that before the last 10 seconds of the video, after watching the last 10-15 seconds I completely agree, if she's cooked there's no need to wait for the analysis to tell you what you already know.

@stacetriebwasser6425 right. I think I answered you. Just want to compare to post dyno. New bottom end is a given.

Stuart, I have to look at this from the learning point of view. I found a failure point, I did not get hurt, it does cost money. But no one got hurt and that’s the main thing. The bottom line is any oil pick up should be braced. Any mark on an oil pump pick up, a scratch, Nick, overuse, tightening, every time you make a pass. It’s trying to rip that pick up out of there. They can only be silicon brazed as any type of welding does cause it to harden and crack.

Michael, we thank you for the donation. Daniel Wilson also gave $25., That money will buy a new oil pump, so step one complete💯🏁🇺🇸👍

No engine is about 5 years old, never raced until now. Been beating on that 2 Bolt block 11 years. I could do that, Be fun too I bet.

Racer, tough combo. Impressive, great work. Yes I never knew any of the issues with pickups. It just blows my mind. Also just learned about brazing and not welding. I will get one of the lights too. We will be ok. Thanks much. 🙏🏁

Yep, Should have had a support strut. All should for any racing.

Way worse without a doubt. Always KTF. 🙏

No not the best run. Best was 9.32. Top end is probably without issues. I asked the Little wrench, is pink flamingo outfit ok to work in DBG with, and she said sure is dad. 😊

@@DragBoss351Cleveland ts good to have the little wrench around

Been running these pans for 40 years. Never an issue. The pan is a 9 qt pan. Brace your pickup. Common breakage issue, I have never seen it. I thought about accusump, not sure if I need or want it. What your thoughts Mike?

@@DragBoss351Cleveland I use a Canton 'road race' 1563 pan that boxes the pickup in an area with trap door baffles. Worked great for decades on my 306 engines turning 6800 rpm. Pan is advertised as 8 qt, but I only run 7 in the the engine. Shows 1 qt low on the dipstick. New 363 turns 8k rpm. Oil pressure would tank from 70 to 40 from 7500 up on the dyno. Made some changes (SV blueprinted, ported pump, bigger custom made pickup and some drainback mods and it did fine on the dyno. I've TRIED to watch the oil pressure at the track, but it's a stick car with two stages of nitrous... and the gauge isn't in the line of sight, so I can't see it. lol I do think it's dropping, though. Accusump has an electric valve. Valve has an internal check valve that allows it to fill to max pressure. Has an electric pressure switch that only allows it to dump at the switch pressure. Mine is marked at 57 psi. Cold oil pressure is 80+. Now, if the pressure drops below 57, the Accusump should open up and provide a few seconds of lubrication. Thinking about making a bigger baffle. The one I made/added is not nearly as large as what's on your pan! lol Can't afford to replace the engine in any kind of reasonable timeframe, so trying to not kill it. lol Been playing with no-prep. Wired up a nitrous progresser. Last weekend, it was coming out on 150 with a 0.1 second delay and 0.25 second ramp with a 100 hp second stage to use in 3rd gear. Still a street car that gets driven on the road, but was surprising some of the purpose built race cars... even on a 28x9. lol Engine made 655 n/a and 908 with an 82 jet (225hp) on the dyno. 11.5 to 1 and pump gas n/a.

@n2omike Mike we have known each other for a long time at least on the forms back in the day. Always impressed by your Mustang, I’ve never really been a nitrous fan only used it once. Yes this oil pump pick up blows my mind. Who is SV? This pump was blueprinted by precision oil pumps. At this point, I think what I’m doing for my combination. Regards to oil mods works. The Dyno runs, and at the track, proof that. I had these ideas of external wet sump, lifter bore bushings, accusump. But now thinking I will replace what I need. You’re killing it with your car. Accusump still not off the drawing board. Never steal my knew much about them. Thanks for the info. Glad you enjoy the channel. Appreciate you 💯🏁

@@DragBoss351Cleveland SV just stands for Standard Volume. lol I had a HV pump and decided to change it out in case it was pumping the pan dry. I've ALWAYS used Precision Oil Pumps. Both the HV and SV came from them. I took the SV pump apart and smoothed the transitions and ported it a bit. Also installed the HV spring, and cranked it down a bit. Builds a little over 80psi cold. They are the 'race' pumps with the gerotor support on the bottom. Still needed squared at the interface between the housing and the heads of the mounting bolts. Will still idle down to around 45psi or so when fully warmed up. Thinking about putting the HV pump back in now that it's doing double duty filling the engine AND Accusump. Will only use the Accusump at the track. Can leave it turned off, although the internal check valve will still allow it to fill. Enjoy watching your content!

@n2omike thank Mike. Glad you’re here. Yes SV, duh. Talked with stefs yesterday. They want me to send in my pan, and a new oil pump, they will make a new custom pan and pick up. Doug is a great guy and great to use his products. Not changing any other oiling mods. They work.

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It’s right there my man.

I will take it Jeff. Thanks

Yep that is the plan. No doubt bad news. But I consider myself lucky 🍀 in the fact that it did not blow or crash the car. Thanks Laura

@@DragBoss351Cleveland Many of the Melling small block pumps aren't square where the main mounting bolts tighten against the housing. Often have to take a grinder or mill and square them up. Puts uneven load on the bolt heads and can break them off. Could that be the case here? Allowing the pump to vibrate? May look into other, heavier duty aftermarket pumps. Good Luck

@n2omike no Mike I don’t think that is the issues. This pump was sponsored to me by precision oil pumps. They blue print these pumps. I will see what he says. Aftermarket billet stuff will not fit with girdle.

On the cleveland runs from front to front. I thing your talking about fox style oil pan with pick up going all the back. I know Ben well. I will text him and ask him. Thanks Jeremy

Right on Sir.

@JeremyFrazelle-or1mt keep strong my friend

Harmonics, heat, stress, G forces

I was like why is it hard to keep on line. 😳

Michael, they cooked like a summer sausage on the grill. No not loose. Thanks Michael, I may need it somehow. Need tear done and evaluate. Thanks so much for your caring and friendship.

@@DragBoss351Cleveland I know you have a lot on your mind at this point.try not to stress out it will get done.

@michaelclanton1152 yes I sure do, with work and family, tough to get time. At basketball now with IZzy so maybe after we can tear down a bit.

@DragBoss351Cleveland I know your distracted with the car but enjoy every minute of the family.

@michaelclanton1152 I am a little. But she can sit in DBG until her time. She is patient. Family first ❤️

Clark, the bearings are wiped, so is the cranking rods. Rosa makes nothing for this other than standard or high volume. This pump is a blue printed version, from precision oil pumps.

They offer a single stage dry sump oil pump that's not hard to make minor modifications for.would that be a potential canadidate to your situatiin?

Either way its disheartening to see this .and its not even my rig .I'm sorry buddy just trying to help offer solutions to remove the problems ..

@clarkmcmahan1595 I have been thinking about that. But nothing wrong with my oiling system. So would rather not get involved right now. Getting a new pan and pick up from Stefs.

A hobs switch I think it is called

@@michaelclanton1152 WARNING LIGHT, BLACK PRO-LITE PRESSURE SWITCH, 30PSI, 1/8" NPTF MALE, FOR PRO-LITE WARNING LIGHT

It is what it is. Light might of. But unlikely to me, with this failure. Thanks

@@DragBoss351Cleveland The big red light facing you would have saved you! you would come off it instantly in a split second and shut it down. From the time your oil pressure died you were full throttle for 4.7 seconds and another 20 seconds on deceleration and idling it till it was shut off. The Autometer Pro light would have cost you a set of bearings at the most. Every race car we set up we install an Autometer Prolight.🤔

No bottom end fried. Time for critical update, hang on and full steam ahead.