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DBG: Why A Canted Valve Head Is Better Than An Inline Valve Head, Effects Of Valve Rotation And RPM 

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Thanks Anthony Iacovino, for asking this question. This another video for my playlist, Cylinder Head Flow And Dynamics, which I am adding too daily. Darin discusses the advantages of canted valve cylinder heads. The effects of valve rotation and rpm. Great information to learn, in a quick, and easy video. Thanks Darin Morgan
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@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
I love that look on the Drag Boss's face when he says the Cleveland does it all better.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Right on
@WesAdams-HillsideAuto
@WesAdams-HillsideAuto 11 часов назад
Great stuff Tim!!! Love it. Thanks Mr Morgan for your knowledge. I’ve learned a lot from both of you guys. Thank you! 🙏🏻
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland 8 часов назад
Thanks Wes, glad you’re here and learning. Appreciate you 🏁💯
@WesAdams-HillsideAuto
@WesAdams-HillsideAuto 8 часов назад
@@DragBoss351Cleveland I appreciate you as well and what you have done for the 351C and other Fords. That’s awesome and much appreciated for sure!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland 8 часов назад
@WesAdams-HillsideAuto your most welcome my friend. Ck out the vid I just posted. May interest you.
@terrygrover6440
@terrygrover6440 Год назад
if you ever want to learn anything about how to make power just put on drag boss garage the best thing on RU-vid always the best stuff tim and the best people and that's the truth
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Thanks Terry, I am not a head porter like you, but have a good understanding on flow dynamics. I try my best. I treat you guys, like friends, not subscribers
@terrygrover6440
@terrygrover6440 Год назад
@DragBoss351Cleveland yes you do tim and I consider you a friend as well
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Thank you my friend, grateful for what I have, bless you and your family 🙏
@Moparmaga-1
@Moparmaga-1 7 месяцев назад
Dang, this is some of the most interesting stuff I've ever heard.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland 7 месяцев назад
Gives you a whole better understanding of
@johnzuggster375
@johnzuggster375 День назад
I really enjoy your videos, you guys are sharp and I appreciate your work, thanks a ton!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland 20 часов назад
Always seeing and learning something new at DragBoss Garage
@ericsmcmahan
@ericsmcmahan Год назад
Tim Halstead. This was an awesome video. I learned some stuff.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Quick and easy, always seeing and learning something new at DragBoss Garage. Thanks Eric
@Bbbbad724
@Bbbbad724 Год назад
@@DragBoss351Cleveland I have said for years and have been kicked off of every FE forum for saying that the Cleveland head to fit beefed up FE blocks is the Cleveland head. I wrote back and forth with Darin, and a few emails back and forth gave me a great amount of the way air moves. I tried to move this forward with people on FE forums and I got excommunicated. Darin Morgan’s design is it. And I would be happy with just a 4.63 bore spacing Cleveland. To go Pro Stock is not even needed. But he has the ultimate!
@ElvinLeadfoot
@ElvinLeadfoot 3 месяца назад
Tim - The Coyote type heads. Terminology (Polyquad) Meaning Two different sized intake and exhaust valves. Creating more swirl:) Four valve heads typically tumble the air into the cylinder. So you have two different sized intake and exhaust valve to promote and create swirl. Swirl is where you get your low end torque. So with a four valve head you get (Twirl) Polyquad design modifications. David Vizard Channel - Polyquad Heads
@4-gear
@4-gear 3 месяца назад
Another great informational video Tim!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland 3 месяца назад
Thanks again!
@MsKatjie
@MsKatjie Год назад
Sorry to interrupt, men. Just watched the show from 2/18/23 and , me was very impressed, for the little that is worth. However, DragBoss, you have made the Clevland come to controlled flame front life and Thankyou . Cheers. As have all the new heads that have been cast. Why, canted is best and hence, 335' s rule!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
No interruptions, all good mate. Just trying to keep the cleveland Alive. Canted is cool. Thanks mate
@stevenrumsey2534
@stevenrumsey2534 Год назад
Darin is a cylinder head and intake guru one of my absolute favorite videos so much info I had never heard kinda blows me away I watch and pay attention to this stuff and he said things I had never heard awesome. Keep it up you are killing it dude.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Thanks Steven, he is definitely one that gets it and does it. Making his live chats shorter versions. Many can’t listen to 3 hrs of chat, so make it more digestible, on my cylinder head playlist. Not sure if I am killing it, trying to succeed in the what seems like millions of channels. Unique info and vids. Thanks man
@billfioretti3013
@billfioretti3013 Год назад
Darin does a fine job explaining why the Ford Cleveland-style canted valve arrangement is the standard by which every domestic center cam pushrod engine on gasoline must be judged. No brag. Just fact. SWEET!
@58sportsuburban
@58sportsuburban Год назад
Big block Chevy…
@billfioretti3013
@billfioretti3013 Год назад
@@58sportsuburban Not the same. Distinct differences. Valve placement, clocking and angles. Not to mention the Cleveland advantage mimicked by many aftermarket and race Big-block Chevrolets in the current era. Shallow combustion chambers and symmetric port layouts.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
It sure is Bill. See below
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Remember the cleveland head is not a copy of the BBC, if you think it is your sadly mistaken.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
That is the key. You hit the mail on the head. Asymmetric v symmetrical. That’s it in a nut shell
@jimkillen1065
@jimkillen1065 Год назад
I always appreciate your videos, these technical discussions are very useful..thank you very much..i watched the videos more than once to be sure to get all of this information
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Thanks Jim, just put them on loop, and let them go, lol. Started a new playlist on cylinder head flow and dynamics, stay tuned for that list to get populated
@jimkillen1065
@jimkillen1065 Год назад
@@DragBoss351Cleveland great . I remember hearing a while back how as the valves get rotated more and more from the wedge motor the rpms go up. I was wondering how much of this was know back when Glidden was winning races . Apparently there was some of this know way back when .. thanks again
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Yes he may have gotten this. His engines were running over 10k. I would not have put it past him. 🏁
@jimkillen1065
@jimkillen1065 Год назад
@@DragBoss351Cleveland I had head that also ..I know your busy, he made more hp the rpms seemed to make a difference at end of the track. I don't know if he ran a vacuum pump or dry sump .. Bob had figured out what it took to make the engine live at that rpm for the quarter mile . Thanks for the videos
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
@@jimkillen1065 Yes his motors like most Clevelands, pick up on the second half. Yes he ran dry sump engines Your most welcome my friend, thanks Jim
@mattmorrison6958
@mattmorrison6958 4 месяца назад
So SO good. Darin is one of those people you know will have incredible insights in any conversation around his passion. And in a completely digestible way of conveying complex and never talked about areas/subjects. Gold
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland 4 месяца назад
Pure Gold for sure. You are exactly right. He can explain head flow like no other. Very passionate. Thanks Matt. I was chatting with him the other day, he is working on something to present.
@nhra7110
@nhra7110 Год назад
Could listen to the guru all day long!!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Way more in store, let me tell you 426
@Dantheman1919
@Dantheman1919 Год назад
Hey Tim, I think it’s time for another Darren Morgan episode
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Yes just talked to him and will be next couple of weeks. Great idea ☺️💯
@stevewelborn8744
@stevewelborn8744 8 месяцев назад
The information available on your channel is plentiful.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland 8 месяцев назад
Thanks Steve, trying to provide lots of choices, glad you appreciate it my friend
@1bad505
@1bad505 Год назад
Allways impressed with Darin's theory on valve rotation. I have not heard him refer to this as a "stagger valve" configuration which surprises me. The Yates head was a stagger valve configuration and yet the valves were not canted. I'd love to hear Darin speak to a relationship between valve angle and intake roof height. Also intake port stall condition on the bench. Keep it coming Tim !
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Thanks Bad 50, he makes it easy to understand, tough concepts. He will be back for a live chat in a few weeks and has a topic picked out. Would not give me any details so it will surprise me too. Make sure your there and ask him. I may forget with all that is going on. Stay tuned as more info on the way
@markcrockford9679
@markcrockford9679 Год назад
kaase and Ardeama and Braun do some interesting stuff with the valve positioning on Kaasesengine masters y block and Aerdema and Brauns model A motor
@rotorr22
@rotorr22 Год назад
So the NHRA knew the rules change would make the class a GM only deal. Shocking.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Funny how biased they were
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
​@@DragBoss351Cleveland we knew it would be that way after it was introduced.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
@@johnelliott7375 right on
@treyrags
@treyrags Год назад
Think of the thousands of tests done to learn this.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Thousands of tests and hours Rags
@rolandtamaccio3285
@rolandtamaccio3285 Год назад
Darin, has those fingers in invisible valve guides .
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
They are and the clearance is perfect 👍
@rolandtamaccio3285
@rolandtamaccio3285 Год назад
When the changeover to 10,500 revs occurred I didn't know how much the Hemis were over reving . Noble did because he raced them . McGehea did because he dynoed them .
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
It’s stuff like this let’s gives you the inside scoop of why things happen. Thanks Roland
@johnelliott7375
@johnelliott7375 Год назад
It is going to be talked about now and I am looking forward to seeing and hearing/everything about it.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Always learning something new at DragBoss Garage John
@chadkent1241
@chadkent1241 Год назад
There's a reason the Cleveland was the most handicapped engine in PS..... Canted valves, baby!!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
That’s what I’m talking about Chad
@hbarends5483
@hbarends5483 Год назад
Thanks to Richard Keinath for putting the canted valve cylinder head to the forefront of performance!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Was he the one that designed the mopar head? H
@hbarends5483
@hbarends5483 Год назад
@@DragBoss351Cleveland He was the one who designed the Big block Chevrolet . It was intended for nascar at the time .Also known as the mystery motor. Not saying that the design wasn't improved upon over time. I would say in my opinion that it was the first performance use of the design!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
@@hbarends5483 ok. Please don’t say the cleveland head is a copy of the BBC head. Further from the truth. Molar was the first I think but nothing came of it.
@hbarends5483
@hbarends5483 Год назад
@@DragBoss351Cleveland no I wouldn't say the Cleveland head was a copy. Ford rotated the valves more and had a smaller combustion chamber plus symmetrical intake ports. Mopar had the 318 poly sphere engine. It had canted valves but I don't believe with a shaft mounted rocker set up you could rotate the valves and it wasn't really a high performance oriented engine!
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
You get it, thanks. Similar but not a copy. Did not think much became of the pent star
@DaveMcLain
@DaveMcLain Год назад
Very good video thank you for sharing. Just looking at the idea of valve rotation it makes it seem like a Harley motorcycle engine would be sort of the worst combination. An engine that doesn't like a lot of RPM with a cylinder head that's very heavily rotated. Would it have been much better served with more of a canted valve layout?
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Hey Dave good to see your here. I don’t know much about their heads, but I know Darin has ported and worked a few over. At the end of video a guy was telling Darin his Harley head he did was working great
@ElvinLeadfoot
@ElvinLeadfoot 3 месяца назад
Twirl = A mixture of tumble and swirl
@johnnyhonda7576
@johnnyhonda7576 Год назад
Talk about Volumetric efficiency and thermal efficiency and calculating
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
I will what I can find Johnny, Darin will be back in a couple of weeks he told me. Stay tuned
@blindabinda1234
@blindabinda1234 10 месяцев назад
Where is there a link to his channel? Great content from you both.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland 10 месяцев назад
Thanks so much so much more to see and hear. Here it the link youtube.com/@DragBoss351Cleveland?si=ZvmBsDlSJ5XcDGQn
@terryenyart5838
@terryenyart5838 Год назад
Unfortunately not every engine hS the benefit of canted valve heads. No doubt they are better. Just moving the valves in a wedge head is beneficial. Great video
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Yes your right. i made that as I am Cleveland guy, so wanted to be able to explain more, not just unshrouding the valves. thanks Terry
@Bbbbad724
@Bbbbad724 Год назад
I can’t figure out why they built a strong but relatively light design like the FE that can go to 496 ci engine without doing a Cleveland style head for them. I wish they just could have done a 4.63 bore center Cleveland style head. There are good wedge heads they make, I used to ask this on the FE Forums and I would get ripped to pieces. I even helped with a good wedge head one of the best FE heads that were released. Got the chambers to rotate and generate great velocity ( anomously) but I had moved the intake closer to where the SSR was and moved it toward the entrance and had to use a longer rocker on the exhaust and my foundry backed out, and it was basically borrowed and made into a Chinese knockoff of a crummy wedge. I want a Cleveland or a Mixed up Boss like Andy’s. A 4.63 bore spacing for a 4.125 x4.125 441 ci Cleveland/FE. Any ideas? A 420 cfm intake and a 280 cfm exhaust? C’mon
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Who knows what Ford thought or why they did what they did. I would what they had worked well and won races so don’t mess with success. Talk to jay brown about his heads.
@MP-pz9oe
@MP-pz9oe Год назад
The LS design seems to contadict this concept.
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
In what way?
@MP-pz9oe
@MP-pz9oe Год назад
@@DragBoss351Cleveland ask the LS 7 guys
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
Don’t know any
@billfioretti3013
@billfioretti3013 Год назад
@@DragBoss351Cleveland 🤣
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
☺️
@markcrockford9679
@markcrockford9679 Год назад
It would be a straighter shot at the valve through the manifold wouldn't it
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Год назад
That may be contributing to the increased rpm
@cdburlock
@cdburlock Месяц назад
I heard the guest say ... When the rpms dropped from 10.5k to 9600 the horsepower increased. Didn't he mean torque ?
@DragBoss351Cleveland
@DragBoss351Cleveland Месяц назад
If he said hp it is hp.
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