DC-3's Just WON'T Go Away: Turbine Power!

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This video is a follow-on to our 4-part Airline Industry Woeful Start series. Parts 3 and 4 focused on the emergence and subsequent dominance of the piston-powered Douglas DC-3 (and military C-47) out of the tumultuous airline industry developmental period of the 1930’s, and its role over the following two decades as the catalyst for the explosive growth of military air transport and the commercial airlines to what they are today.
In this video we show that many of the 90-year-old piston DC-3’s shed their pistons to receive a new life as modern turboprop-powered machines. This was experimented with in the early 1950’s and again in the 1970’s and 1980’s, but began to see real growth after around 1990 which continues to this day. We summarize the history of such conversions culminating with our operational video of an early Basler BT-67 DC-3 conversion on a demonstration flight. The BT-67 remains in limited production with approximately 70 built to date.
Yes, after 90 years it appears the DC-3 will now be around until further notice-whenever that is.
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Please contact me, John A. Reed with any useful information or simply if you want to discuss vintage aviation topics at:
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@stacyobrien1729 Год назад

Why in the world would we ever want them to go away? They are simply wonderful!!!!!

@AeroDinosaur Год назад

No argument here--don't worry, they never will!

@anthonydavies5605 2 года назад

Used to fly to school in one of these back in the 1950's. Always had a soft spot for them since!

@ditzydoo4378 2 года назад

I believe the single biggest reason the DC-3 has survived so long is the fact it was an "Unpressurized" aircraft. it was not subject to the pressurization cycles the later models had to endure, and which lead to each one's eventual scraping due to metal fatigue.

@davecrupel2817 2 года назад

That, as well as it's huge useful load and short runway & unpaved runway versatility. Just an all-around fantastic airplane.

@2fathomsdeeper 2 года назад

The main reason is the overbuilt wing spar. They just don't wear out! I know where the boneyard for the bodies is! They're all missing their wings.

@nunyabidniz2868 2 года назад

Long live the Gooney Bird! Amazing that with a simple re-engine they keep flying on into the new millennium...

@patrickleary2389 2 года назад

Lost will be one of the most distinctive aircraft sounds in our skies! However, it's hard to retire one of the best aircraft design-builds in history. Long may the DC-3 run!

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

I agree, the turboprop seems to take away the DC-3's soul, but I guess aircraft aren't produced for their sound! I concur, long live the DC-3 anyway!

@andrewdonohue1853 3 месяца назад

DC3 and the B52, two the longest in service types in existence.

@seanpratherful 2 года назад

Always love to see you upload something. Cheers, John.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Always good to hear from an old friend and supporter! Thanks Sean! More to come.

@geoffharris2707 2 года назад

Thank you so much for such a speedy response. I usually listen with only one earpiece in so did not get the other channel. I was a little surprised that no one else experienced the same issue so thanks for solving that for me. I will re-watch your video tomorrow.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Very good! Thanks!

@barryfletcher7136 2 года назад

Wow. The first time I flew in a DC-3 was in 1966 when I was a dependent of an ARAMCO engineer and living in Saudi Arabia. I don't recall where we went, but the trip was inside Saudi Arabia.

@thisismagacountry1318 2 года назад

Practice runs for 9/11

@SuperBoop 2 года назад

How old are you?

@barryfletcher7136 2 года назад

@@SuperBoop In my 60s.

@barryfletcher7136 2 года назад

@@thisismagacountry1318 Nope.

@rgeraldalexander4278 2 года назад

I flew in the original version back in the late 1950's when it was start-up Delta's main plane. Now there's one in the Aerospace Museum in DC.

@downwindchecklist6567 2 года назад

Fantastic collection of models! Great story of the turbo DC-3s I'll check out your other videos Just subscribed!

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for checking us out and subscribing! I'm sure you will enjoy our other videos.

@soavioes153 Год назад

I knew this Channel now, Air dinosaur , good explanation and vídeo.

@AeroDinosaur Год назад

Thank you very much! Glad you found us and thanks for watching. J.A. Reed

@LetsFixItRight 2 года назад

Great historical and technical account of the modernized turbine DC-3! It's a must watch for all aviation gurus!

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks, and remember, "Lets Fix It Right".

@LetsFixItRight 2 года назад

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@tamanako2507 2 года назад

DC -3 One of the best airplanes of all times! if not the best! 🤠👍

@hangie65 2 года назад

Excellent video. Thanks for posting

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

And thanks for viewing. Appreciate your kind comment!

@carlschneider689 2 года назад

Rode a Basler to/from Tripoli/Valetta in 2011/2012 (DoS Air). Originally a 1943 model; it flew well. On take off, the tail rose and it lifted off with an almost horizontal angle of attack.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for watching and sharing your experience. Libya not a happy place in 2011 and 2012, and I guess not now either!

@davidbohner2061 Год назад

Wonderful collection of model aircraft👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️✅✅✅✅✅

@AeroDinosaur Год назад

Glad you like them--we do too !!! More of them will be featured in our future videos. And thanks for watching!

@guaporeturns9472 2 года назад

Awesome.. love seeing new stuff from you. Thanks

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks, Guapo, we'll make every effort keep it up--and always good to hear from you!

@guaporeturns9472 2 года назад

@@AeroDinosaur 🙂👍🏻

@Chris_at_Home Год назад

I flew in the jump seat of a C-47 that towed gliders on D-Day for the Canadian Air Force. I saw the Basler DC-3 fly over this summer. We can see all kinds of aircraft from our deck with a nice view. We see civil, commercial and military all the time. There is a DC-6 that flys by low a few times a month. I started working on the North Slope in 1980 and never saw a DC-3 up there. When ever I traveled to remote drill sites we usually flew in twin otters.

@AeroDinosaur Год назад

Chris--Thanks for sharing your experiences. I think you live in the only place in the world where you can see DC-6s in operation--I presume you live near where Everts Air Cargo has operations. I bet lots of Baslers as well. Thanks a lot for checking us out! J.A. Reed

@Chris_at_Home Год назад

@@AeroDinosaur I live just west of Wasilla. We see a lot of Wasilla and Palmer air traffic coming out of the west. We also see a lot of Air Force traffic being 20 miles off there North runway. We see the C-17s and C-130s making runs on the Malmute drop zone. I’ve had jobs that took me all over the state doing communications work. I worked an FAA satellite contract a couple of years where I worked in the field and at ZAN. It is always amazing some of the different types of aircraft that I have flown in up here.

@AeroDinosaur Год назад

@@Chris_at_Home In the 1970s we had diverse aircraft like that operating down here in St. Louis. Not anymore. We only see sameness--just 737s and A320s now.

@DommoPA Год назад

Ole' LU wrench jockey here .... loved the sound of a p2v startup.

@AeroDinosaur Год назад

Me too--thanks for watching! J.A. Reed

@fromgermany271 2 года назад

End of the month I have to bring a friend to Frankfurt airport. If you approach on the highway from the south, you see the Berlin Air Bridge Memorial. And one of the DC3‘s that created it. In Germany we Call them „raisin bombers“ because of that.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for checking us out--I remember about the term "raisin bombers".

@chrishoward4546 2 года назад

Very nicely done thanks

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

You are certainly welcome! Thanks for watching and your kind comment. Means one heck of a lot to us!

@landryabraham642 2 месяца назад

Ofcourse it will never go away such a wonderful aircraft ❤❤❤❤❤❤

@AeroDinosaur 2 месяца назад

Agreed! There is no aircraft in the world that can equal the stubbornness of the beautiful DC-3. Happily, it will outlive me as well! Thanks for watching! J.A. Reed

@ericohara2582 2 года назад

Thank you for this

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

You bet, and thank you for checking us out! More to come.

@haroldbrown1998 2 года назад

April 1960 flew from Dayton International Ohio to Miami Florida on a DC-7B on our honeymoon. And back home a week later. Sure was fun.

@JessicaTG2008 2 года назад

The DC-3 has always been my favorite airplane. Historic of course, but they are cartoonish. When a cartoonist used to draw (when cartoons were ACTUALLY drawn) they drew a DC-3 variation when they drew an airplane.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

I'm old enough to remember that. It is kind of an iconic "general" airplane shape, that was (and sometimes still is) used all the time in cartoons and pop culture. Art deco might be another term for it.

@petermarsh5762 2 года назад

Hello, I just discovered your channel. Speaking of radial engines. I think some of your viewers would be surprised to discover that the R2800 was installed in new aircraft right up until 1988. The P&W R2800 CA3 variant was installed in new CL215 water-bombers that were manufactured in Canada by Canadair LTD in Montreal. On a production run from 1968 until 1988 . The engine was rated at 2100hp at takeoff. In the CA3 the rated power was 2100hp. I flew the 215 until 1998 when we switched to the CL415 powered by a P&W 123 AF gas turbine. At the time this was the largest radial I’d ever flew behind have experience on R985, and 1340 prior. The 2800 had a hard life in the wild fire bombing role sometimes going from full power back to idle every 3 minutes when in close range to a suitable scooping lake often for 3 hours at a time. I experienced only 2 engine failures in the time I flew them. It is an incredibly robust engine and I’m sure it’s designers would role in their graves if they could witness what we did with those engines.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Peter, glad you found us! We have a video on the CL215 entitled "CANADAIR CL215: Fire Attack Demo 2019" you might like when you get around to it--I'm sure viewing this video can't possibly compare to your experience of actually flying it. In it I think we talk about the paradoxical choice of the R2800 as its powerplant a decade after production was ceased. We also have videos on AeroDinosaur channel on the DC-6, Martin 404 and On Mark/Douglas A26, all powered by C-Series R-2800's like you flew, as well as R3350-powered Constellations and DC-7C (not as reliable as your R-2800) An honor to hear from experienced pilots like you . . .

@petermarsh5762 2 года назад

@@AeroDinosaur Thanks for the welcome. I retired 9 years ago after 34 years in the aerial fire suppression business. I took you up on the Oshkosh demo clip and left a couple of comments you may be interested in.

@paulbickley658 2 года назад

Good video

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for checking us out and your positive comment!

@wolfgangholtzclaw2637 2 года назад

I think Douglas needs to go to the vault and pull out the plans and start making the DC3 over again, it is a design that combines the best of engineering, design, streamlining, and safety. Why they are still flying, they will out last the venerable B 52. But in that it is a passenger/cargo, its utility is forever. Like the old volkswagen, it just keeps going. Like the flush toilet and Kitchen sink, it is for the ages!!!

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

We agree, but I don't think today's Boeing (formerly Douglas) would listen to us!

@wolfgangholtzclaw2637 2 года назад

@@AeroDinosaur They never do, they want to build something faster, more expensive, but clearly their is a market for a 85 year old design.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

@@wolfgangholtzclaw2637 I agree! No matter how superior, "Old" is "Out"!

@wolfgangholtzclaw2637 2 года назад

@@AeroDinosaur Sad, but true. I hope I get a chance to fly on one before I pass over. 66 and still loving the beautiful old things that made us so happy!

@briananthony4044 2 года назад

There was a company here is NZ that converted DC-3s into turbo power back in about the 1980/1990s I think, but they were intended for top dressing. May have been Pacific Aerospace.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for the info!

@tplyons5459 2 года назад

I was going to college in Santa Barbara when Conroy was at it. I photographed the construction of DC3/jets and he also was guppizing a VISCOUNT, had put Darts on an SA-16 flying boat and a dart in the nose of a Cessna mixmaster and took out the rear engine. The open back made a great skydiving plane over Santa Barbara airport.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Very interesting! Also, I never heard of that crazy Mixmaster/Dart conversion. Thanks for checking us out.

@cliffnelson1174 2 года назад

Besides ww2 warbirds I have always loved the Constellation.....used to watch them land and take off at O'Hare Field in Chicago as a kid....

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for watching, and check out our AeroDinosaur videos on the Constellations and Super Constellations!

@ourv9603 2 года назад

The DC3 will not go away because it is a very rugged aircraft. The DC3 was buikt back in the days when a lot of small airfields had no runway as we know it today. Just a dirt strip if they were lucky and a grass pasture er field for most. So the DC3 had to have robust landing gear. And robust landing gear need a robust airframe to fasten it to. Even today there are many companies who scour the world for old DC3 to rebuild. !

@ringochui8196 2 года назад

Great to see N968F in action. I saw it on March 26, 1991 at the Hong Kong International Airport (Kai Tak) but it was only parked. I still have the photo but can’t upload in here. Just wonder if this aircraft is still in operations now. My only ride on a DC-3 was on December 16, 2015, registration ZS-BXF. Just love the feeling being in the air with it!

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Very interesting that you crossed paths with the plane at Hong Kong two years before I filmed it! I don't know its fate but I'm sure some viewer will tell us in due course. When I find out I will certainly let you know. Thanks for checking us out!

@davecrupel2817 2 года назад

N968F, according to the faa.gov website, was last registered to an experimental class Dragonfly MK2 aircraft. And it was done in 1996. Registration expired in 2001, and hasn't been renewed or put to another airplane since. Reason: export. I can only assume your airplane either doesn't fly anymore, or does so illegally or under a new registration to another country. Sorry :(

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Ringo Chui: See comment from 2fathomsdeeper who says this N868F was destroyed in the [1997] midair that killed founder Warren Basler during a photo shoot. However, this is contradicted in an article in the August 2021 issue of Air Classics, a highly reputable aviation history magazine, that says Basler was killed in a midair between the Beech Bonanza he was flying in and a "new" BT-67 they were photographing. N868F "Baby" was not "new" in 1997, but the magazine may have gotten that wrong, but I think unlikely.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

@@davecrupel2817 Thanks for sharing the results of your research!

@peterwexler5737 2 года назад

SUBSCRIBED!

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thank you Sir! Very much appreciated.

@patrol4x4x4 2 года назад

Brings back great memories for me, my late father worked on DC 3 and 4 props from the radial motors, use to spend lots of time going to work with him, in South Africa at Fields Avation.

@wadeecup 2 года назад

DC3 is the first plane I ever flew in from bris to Melb back in the early 50s absolutely love the old girls and I would do it again if I ever get the chance

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Me too! My problem is I've never flown on one!

@billvoorvaart7206 2 года назад

this is bill again, i used to work at hamilton standard on 54h60 oil controls as well as all sorts of jet fuel controls

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

That sounds like fun to me!

@topturretgunner 2 года назад

John A Reed. From one who as a kid had 1/72 and 1/48 scale model airplanes that were mostly purchased from morning paper route and lawn mowing money. I can appreciate that fine collection of models on the shelf. I used to see several C-119 Boxcars and a few other prop aircraft at Wright Patterson AFB. As a kid we lived across the street from where the prototype Y1B-17 crashed due to pilot error (not sure about the correct nomenclature but that runs in my mind). A side note the B-17D The Swoose is there being restored in the same hangar that Memphis Belle was done in. There was more than a smattering of C-47's the occasional C-121 and other prop transports in and out of that Air Base in spite of this being the latter twilight years for radial powered aircraft. Now as I'm past my 70th on God's good earth the thought of growing up during this truly transitional time often evokes a wistful smile as I stroll down memory lane. I enjoy your videos sir as many of the aircraft in them stir fond recollections of my distant youth and fuel that yet brightly burning love affair with the military aircraft of a bygone time. Thank you. And yes the C-47/DC-3 is a design that endures. It was around before me and will probably be around when I'm gone.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for checking us out and for sharing your background. Really interesting that you lived across the street from where the prototype B-17 crashed. As you know, that horrible event has been widely covered in history books. I'm really honored that AeroDinosaur channel helps revive a lot of memories for you. At 67 years old, I dig that sort of thing as well!

@brianspeck4226 2 года назад

Thanks for the informative video. I was a bit surprised that you didn't cover the South African Turbo conversion. Which if I remember correctly are still flying.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Yeah, didn't know about that one--would have mentioned it. We were just sampling a few higher-profile conversions. Thanks for checking us out!

@WidleyWesident 2 года назад

@@AeroDinosaur I got a few skydives from a South African turbine conversion DC3 near Pretoria in 2000. Lovely aircraft normally flying cargo between Wonderboom and Durban. Loads of room but as you leave the door you need to keep your head down as that tail is low… Be well and peace be with you.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

@@WidleyWesident You too and thanks very much!

@gregorygilmont304 2 года назад

Like the narration...

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for your kind vote of confidence and thanks for watching!

@thisismagacountry1318 2 года назад

I was one of the lucky boomer kids that started flying on American Airlines 707 fleet from Dulles. No propellers for this kid until the one time I flew on Piedmont as a young teen Navy Corpsman.

@henrykaldenbaugh2313 2 года назад

There was a BT67 flown by the Guatemalan Airforce in 2008. I flew on it as a part of Faith in Practice, a missionary medical group.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for the info and for checking us out. We like to reach people like you with actual experience that we don't have! I don't think too many people have flown in a BT-67.

@ethanclement9647 Год назад

FYI, your audio track is left channel only at least at the beginning of this video it is.

@peterlaubscher3989 2 года назад

The South African air-force converted some of their DC 3s to turbo props in the 1990s. They used to operate from Ysterplaat airport outside Cape Town. I haven't seen them in recent years - not sure if they are still in service. Had one alarming encounter involving a DC3. Was sailing near the naval battery in Simon's Town on Navy Open Day, when a Dak towing a target came sweeping low over me - I didn't hear it - and the Anti aircraft guns started shooting at the target for the entertainment of the people attending the Navy Open Day. The sound of the bullets ripping through the air sounded like my sail being torn. These days when the navy fires its guns, it sends out a patrol boat with a very dirty red flag to warn boats to stay clear, although astonishingly, I have seen kayaks venture into the target zone!

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for the info, did not know there were South African military conversions--great to know. Thanks for watching and sharing your harrowing DC-3 demo experience. Surprised they used live ammunition at a public event like that!

@peterlaubscher3989 2 года назад

@@AeroDinosaur As they say, it concentrates the mind...

@zacktong8105 2 года назад

I suppose NOTHING ELSE will haul nearly as much into a short airfield !

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

I don't know for sure, but you are probably right!

@tommills9473 2 года назад

Back when I was in High School a long time ago I did a book report on a book about the DC 3 and how it was a plane that was still around and flying and doing the jobs required of them. That was in the late 1960's... Looks like they'll still be around long , long, long after I'm gone.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

And after I'm gone too. They came before me and will be here when I check out!

@samsonian 2 года назад

So does this variant merit the designation of “Turbo Gooney”?? 😁😅😅 🖖😎👍 Cheers and thanks for the great info!

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Might as well! Thank you for viewing and glad the info was useful for you.

@SeanWhite 2 года назад

Engine was not shut down on the Basler demo. Just feathered but still running. Benefit of the PT6 free turbine design.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for your astute clarification, I will make note of that in the written description that you mentioned this. I've seen PT6's with a very low prop idle RPM with their free turbine.

@colevarela7320 2 года назад

You earned my subscribe when I saw the ATL-98 Carvair 👍👍👍

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Well, whatever it takes! We will be talking about the Carvair in our Poor Man's Hangar series. Please let me know if you have any footage that we could get permission to use!

@colevarela7320 2 года назад

@@AeroDinosaur I don't have any footage but I can tell you anything you wanna know about N83FA carvair numba 5. She took out our local Piggly wiggly on April 4th 1997. I took a couple of pretty flowers for the pilots on Monday. It's been 25 years since it happened

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

@@colevarela7320 N83FA regularly flew over my house in St. Louis 1995-1996 flying auto parts in from Americus, GA. I saw it all the time (hard not to notice a one-of-a-kind) and was shocked in early April 1997 when it went in--turns out it was in St. Louis a few days before. I guess you know crew members killed were Larry Whittington and co-pilot Ralph Josey--most likely the guys who flew over my head--RIP. Very sad! Would be glad to trade information with you--just email me at j.reed3930@sbcglobal.net

@colevarela7320 2 года назад

@@AeroDinosaur aw hell yeah. That's big plane right there. I gotta picture of it on my wall. Way before my time but I wish! I could see her take off n land one time. I'm probably the youngest carvair enthusiast you'll ever talk to

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

@@colevarela7320 Every time I'd seen a Carvair in flight it was the only airworthy one. Like I said, saw 83FA regularly in 1995 and 1996, but in August 2005 I also saw 89FA (also once flown by Custom Air Service) flying over St. Louis tracking Victor Airway 88 on its way to Rantoul Illinois to fly skydivers for a meet there. That was the very last trip a Carvair ever made, and 89FA now survives in a non-airworthy condition in Texas. On one of those Rantoul skydive takoffs (something like 80 skydivers in the plane) it just missed a grove of trees on the end of the runway by around 2 feet. Very close call.

@ShortFinal 2 года назад

I live really close to the Preferred turbine conversions, with many of my friends families working there. I've gotten to go climb around and in the DC-3 airframes awaiting conversion, and yes they are quite small. one of their Turbine 3s crashed on takeoff killing both pilots, one of whom who went to my church and I knew really well. it was a bad engine and was below the curve. they never stood a chance to climb out as it happened before right rotation.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Yes, I heard about Preferred Turbine's unfortunate crash, sorry it was one of your friends. PT6 turboprops are supposed to be reliable. Basler had some bad crashes too . . .

@MrOlgrumpy 2 года назад

As a kid I loved the sound of QANTAS Connies taking off from Perth Airport Western Australia.Do you have any knowledge of Morrison Knudsen aircraft overhaul industries ??

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

For me as a kid it was watching blue-nacelled Delta DC-6's slowly climbing over my St. Louis home on the way to Memphis. I'm familiar with Morrison Knudsen, but know little about their a/c overhaul operations. Thanks for watching.

@thunderbolt513 2 года назад

The Dakota will still be around long after we`re gonne (I`m 60`s generation). I remember seeing them around 168 ( I was then 7 year old young boy) with my father on an african air strip.

@StevieWonder737 2 года назад

There was a DC3 turboprop converter based in Clifton, Texas (airport ID 7F7) in the 1970's using PT6 power. Schaeffer outgrew Clifton and moved to larger digs. Somehow it seems to have been omitted from your summary

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for watching and for the info. We were just sampling the higher-profile conversions and could not be all-inclusive. I mentioned, but did not cover the Preferred Turbine conversions (scarce information on them), and did not know about the one in Clifton TX--thanks for pointing this out!

@StevieWonder737 2 года назад

@@AeroDinosaur I believe, but am not certain, that Preferred Turbine took over Shaeffer somewhere in time.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

@@StevieWonder737 Good to know. Thanks!

@jackhouston357 2 года назад

i would love to find a film of a B-17 Tail Gunner. My Father did that in 8th AAF. over Europe

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

I'll be sure to contact you if I find one!

@kennethcohagen3539 2 года назад

What is the difference in fuel burn between the R1830 and the turbo prop powered aircraft? Is the an advantage in using the turboprop?

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

While early turbines were gas guzzlers compared to recips, the fuel burn on planes powered by the later P&W Canada PT6's generally closed and in most cases reversed that gap. I think the PT6 at the 700 horsepower at cruise setting has slightly lower fuel consumption and obviously more efficient than the piston R-1830 at 700 hp cruise setting. It is my understanding that as piston engines grow larger they lose efficiency, and as turboprops get larger, they gain efficiency--and vice-versa. They are equal (cross over) at around the 500 hp range. That is my informed opinion but someone more experienced may slam me down on this!

@tiikerihai 2 года назад

You should probably record and/or mix the voiceover differently because as it is now the voice only comes from the left audio channel and that makes for uncomfortable listening.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

I found out one of the channels on the mic was out. People with higher-end systems will notice, sorry for the annoyance!

@2fathomsdeeper 2 года назад

Baby, the Basler turbo conversion seen in the EAA footage, was destroyed in a mid-air collision with a photography aircraft. Believe Warren Basler died in the crash. It's been a long time. Drove past the shop today, and it looked like they have around 10 getting ready to get converted or are ready to go.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks a lot for this update, I knew Warren died in a 1997 midair, but did not know it was in this particular plane. Very sad. I will pass this on to people who were asking about the current status of N968F.

@briancoughlin6732 2 года назад

I flew in one in the 80s to forest fires,

@timhowell1220 2 года назад

What is that in the back ground at the 4:38 mark? Could it be a P-38

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

That is a Fairchild C-119 Military Transport that was "civilianized" and being operated commercially. No more flying today.

@billyboblillybob344 2 года назад

Very surprised the AVCO Lycoming T53L701 turboshaft engine was never considered for the DC-3. It shares parts commonality with the UH-1H helicopter version of the T53 so costs for spares would very agreeable rather than having to be stuck with OEM pricing from, say Pratt & Whitney...

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

I agree. Another helicopter engine that was at one time converted to fixed wing application was the Lycoming T-55 that powers the Boeing Chinook. The T-55 went into the Piper Enforcer (P-51 light attack COIN conversion) prototypes in the 1970's. Air Force said "no thanks" because most of their pilots could not fly tail draggers among other issues. T-55's are now the engine of choice with the unlimited hydroplane boat race crowd--now a dwindling sport because of lack of young-generation interest.

@billyboblillybob344 2 года назад

@@AeroDinosaur Yeah the "unlimited" hyrdoplanes that can't use T55s more modern than the T55L7C. I suspect it becomes too difficult to keep those things on the water with so much power and speed.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

@@billyboblillybob344 I guess the power in later engines would present an "over-torque" problem with the boats. You seem to know your turbine engines.

@billyboblillybob344 2 года назад

@@AeroDinosaur The T53 and T55 were designed by the same company and it's the business I've been involved with for some time...

@brucemiller8109 2 года назад

As long as the Airframe is Good the Turbine conversion is the cheapest way to fly cargo. Round engines were worn out in 1976 when I flew/worked the DC3.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Wow, that was 1976, it is surprising a few R-1830s are still chugging away. Thanks for watching.

@brucemiller8109 2 года назад

@@AeroDinosaur Keith Dayton in North Calif did the last 1830 OH...did the break in, 1st flight out of Oakland #2 Master rod failed near MGTO weight ... as in I could see the master rod through the missing front bell mouth. You can only OH this stuff so many times.

@elfy2923 Год назад

Good afternoon. in our country there were many aircraft of the USSR variant IL14 and IL18. some of us thought about such a de alteration. Tell me, in your experience, is it worth it?

@AeroDinosaur Год назад

Yes, it is definitely worth it for certain operators, but not as a DC-3 (or IL14/18) replacement. Turboprop conversions of these planes cost around 30 times the cost of a stock airplane.Thanks for watching!

@corvanha1 2 года назад

I would not call it a poor man's hangar with such exquisite models! Are they made from wood or resin or another material? Where did you get these from?

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed them! They are just plastic models that I built over a period of around 50 years. I got better at it as time went on. Still would rather own real ones! Thanks for checking us out!

@stevewpmac 2 года назад

Do you think that Dc3 that spun out on the runway at takeoff is fixable? Wouldn’t it have the $9 million price tag?

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Not exactly sure which takeoff incident you are referring to--please let me know. In the early 1980's I saw one C-47 takeoff attempt end in high-speed ground loop here in St. Louis (CAF)--all walked away, but the plane sat on the side of the runway for many days waiting for main gear and wing tip parts--no other major airframe damage.

@jiyushugi1085 Год назад

A steeply banked left turn with the left engine not producing thrust!? That takes balls, or maybe just airspeed.... I feel extremely fortunate to have logged a couple of takeoffs and landings in the Super DC-3 formerly flown by Kamaka Air Cargo in Honolulu. That low-time 'Super' is now sitting partially dissembled at HNL waiting for someone to care about it.....

@AeroDinosaur Год назад

Yes, those were crazy turns they were doing with that engine neutralized. Also, you are sure lucky to have gotten behind the controls of a Super. I hope someone takes care of that deteriorating plane too, but I wouldn't count on it!

@jiyushugi1085 Год назад

@@AeroDinosaur Doctors Without Borders was preparing to buy it, but then the pandemic hit and the deal fell apart. However, when I win the lottery......

@AeroDinosaur Год назад

@@jiyushugi1085 When you win the lottery, I'll go in on it with you. That is one great airplane!

@milesbrown8016 2 года назад

Flew the “goony bird “ plenty in the airforce. Thanks for the documentary anyway…

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

You bet, thanks for watching--like to hear from people like you who "were there". I was not.

@billsimpson604 2 года назад

I would have thought that they would have run low on ones to convert long ago, but I guess not.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for watching, There was once almost an endless supply of airframes, but they are obviously dwindling! Who knows how many more conversions will be done.

@davecrupel2817 2 года назад

@@AeroDinosaur I think someone should put these back into production, with only a handful of modern bells & whistles.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

@@davecrupel2817 Agreed!

@SKYKOP1972 2 года назад

With all of the modern day upgrades, why hasn't a tricycle landing gear configuration ever been considered?

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Just a guess, but I think the extreme forward positioning of the wing on this plane makes it difficult from a CG standpoint. Again, just a guess!

@richardmartin6533 2 года назад

preferred turbine 3's ... engine cowlings look like they came off a King Air.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Yes they do. The Basler cowlings were a "clean page" design.

@OldSloGuy 2 года назад

DC-3s fit into a niche for airlift to remote primitive sites like oil fields and mining camps. This is not a glamorous job. From gravel runways in arctic tundra to desert sands, there are somethings that tail draggers do better.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Agreed--thanks for watching!

@mikewhiskey4467 2 года назад

I remember DC-3s showing up on the ramp in the 80s that looked like they’d been hauling hay. Grouchy pilots that were in a big hurry and big wads of cash they paid with.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Nothing surprises me about the DC-3! Hay? Of course!

@duanedoepke9697 2 года назад

You keep saying DC-3 for the Basler Turbo Coversions. You are incorrect! Basler can only convert C-47's, the military version of a DC-3 with the cargo door of the left side. And that tri-motor one sits behind Baslers building. I know all this because worked there. Please get your facts straight!

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

I often use the term DC-3 generically to when talking about the civil DC-3 or C-47. Civilian DC-3's were converted to freighter configuration with similar cargo doors--didn't know Basler didn't start with civilian DC-3 conversions, only C-47's--thanks for the info and sorry to offend you.

@humbertocarreira175 Год назад

For me,the AIRCRAFT more beautifull made DOUGLAS AIRCRAFT CORPORATION.

@geoffharris2707 2 года назад

Am I the only one not being able to hear the spoken word? I'm getting the sound with the film clips but not the commentary. I'm sure it is an excellent video but is unwatchable without the full soundtrack !!

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Yes, you are the first but I think I know what happened. Sorry for the annoyance. The right channel of my microphone gave out and I didn't know it. A few people have complained that the narration only comes through the left channel. While I am not certain, I'm guessing that you are not picking up the left channel of your system which carries all narration. Easy for me to say, but all I can do is suggest you try another device or switch your sound through the other channel. I'm really sorry for this inconvenience.

@MrAffrank 2 года назад

S Aficans had Turbo Dak. Much more capable than Beisler.

@MrAffrank 2 года назад

I had two in AF. Very capable.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

@@MrAffrank Thanks for the info! Did not know about that one, but what you say wouldn't surprise me!

@Flies2FLL 2 года назад

OK. Someone once told me that if I were to go shopping for a truck and ran across a used Ram pickup with the Cummins engine for $21,000, then I was looking at a $20,000 engine bolted into a $1000 truck~ So you go and mount $2 million worth of engines on an 80 year old airframe worth $50,000 as scrap metal. What have you achieved? A Ram pickup with the Cummins engine, that's what. I don't see the point. It is not going to be reliable at this point, there is a lot more to an airplane than a pair of engines. DC-3's are cool but they are all old and have too many cycles; Time to put them to the museums or static display.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Can't argue with you, but somebody keeps on buying them!