DC20: Everything You Need to Know 

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I’ve been following the game since 0.3 and I’ve been excited to play it ever since. Something that doesn’t get talked about as much is just how mechanically different each class feels, each spellcaster can push their spells further in different ways, each martial regains stamina points in different ways, the Druid with their domain and wild shape features is a whole different beast altogether. Also recently the DC20 team prioritized reducing the amount of resources players need to track, for example the sorcerers use their rest points(the equivalent to hit dice in 5e) for metamagic instead of sorcery points. I could keep talking but you get the point lol

Been reading the alpha and I'm really excited about DC20. Also congrats on the sponsorship.

This feels like the best of worlds between 5e and Pathfinder 2e. Very tempting... Okay I went and backed. Between 5e 2024, ToV, MCDM RPG, and now this. I have a lot to read.

Thanks for the DC20 Shout-out!

I am seeing quite a few mechanics from PF2e , but streamlined and less crunchy. Witch is nice

I just don't like the Prime Modifier rule. It dilutes what it means to be whatever your class is. Same thing for the scores. And that bleeds over to lore. If magic isn't hard to learn (because you don't need Intelligence), then why isn't it everywhere? Same thing for martial characters. If shrimpy characters can just start swinging weapons as well as the buff guy, why should anyone work out?

Already backed. Really happy to see you covering it.

I love seeing more DC20 content.

You have an awesome, clear and concise way of explaining the system. I will be using this video to send to my players as an introduction to the system!

Having followed the development of the Alpha through the videos & one shot, I have to praise how _elegantly_ designed this game is! Lovely symmetry between Martial & Caster, between core stats, etc. The players in the one shots really seemed to pick it up quickly. A clear sign of a strong foundation given we're just arriving to beta stage. 👍

Okay, I *really* dig this. I loved almost all the design philosophies of this system. I love that you're able to use any Attribute of your choice as your main Attribute, allowing for a wide variety of character concepts. The action economy is also awesome: It's similar to Pf2e in the way you can spend additional amounts of AP to enhance spell effects, which adds tactical depth to combat. I also prefer mana systems over spell slot systems, as they are simpler, more intuitive and more flexible, and being able to also customize spell effects with MP makes it even better! It's like they took all the design decisions I like and made a very tactical D&D alternative. Looking forward to this system.

Not sure how I feel about the rest of it, but from what I'm seeing, DC20 has a much better system for spells than D&D. Unless you play D&D spellcasters like you do barbarians, you're slowing every round down picking from too many spells with too long of descriptions and none of them really doing exactly what you want anyway. I much prefer picking from a few spells and just adapting it for the combat situation with Mana. I'm not totally familiar with the spells he's created, but targeting three creatures instead of one, extending the range, and then maybe adding a pull effect to pull them off the castle walls seems much quicker than trying to dig through my list trying to find the best way to deal with 3 creatures on a far-away castle wall targeting me with longbows. There's a reason everyone just resorts to Fireball: long distance, large AOE, lots of damage. Wouldn't it be fun to be a little more imaginative. I think I'm gonna wait until it's actually done though considering how often things are changing month after month.

This video was definitely a Success (10) Insight Check

You definitely touched on all of the things that are great about DC20 imo!

I'm hopeful and excited! (But I wish he'd given the game another name. I don't like the rules or the name of Dagger-heart, but that's still a much better name for the casual, mass audiences than an abbreviated name like GURPS or DC20.)

sounds like it is just 4e Psionics updated.

It's got a lot of really cool concepts in it that I am looking forward to exploring. Prime modifier feels very freeing, and just 4 ability scores is probably a perfect number. Lots of cool concepts in DC20, thanks for making the video and congratulations on the sponsor

An issue I have with every four stat spread is "what do you do with senses vs reason?" Most games tend to want to roll your senses in with your intelligence attribute, since that represents awareness and ability to notice details and make connections... but then what do you do with every animal that has senses superior to humans? They MUST have a much lower Intelligence attribute than a human, but then it also makes them much much worse at detecting their surroundings? A reasonable fix for this is to attach senses to agility or its equivalent, since hand-eye coordination implies strong eyes and therefore strong perception, but that still leaves things like bears out in the cold. There's a similar issue with will and charisma, and in fact talking in general being rolled into any attribute. The ability to be liked/respected/feared is far removed from the ability to persist or endure hardships, mental fatigue, temptation, etc. But furthermore, the ability to be liked, respected, and feared are really three completely separate arenas. They may indeed overlap, but they're in no way inherently linked. Some systems are tempted to roll talking into Intelligence, but that replaces one problem with another: making socializing and nerdery rely on the same base attribute is very clearly not thematic in most stories. Four attributes is fine, it's perfectly playable (my current favorite TTRPG Fabula Ultima uses essentially the same spread), but it does break down when you look at it too hard.

DC20 looks amazing so far. I would totally play it.

With the spell duel rules of DC20, I don't want to hear anyone try to play Dragonball with D&D ever again!

Yesss a IC video on my new vavorite system I love how you describe dc20 you gave a better Pitch than coach did (dont tell him) genunaly though thank you for your insight and opinion 💖

Great job explaining DC20! So excited for this system, the creativity and teamwork it unleashes in players is phenomenal.

Seems like a introductory version to PF2E.

So cool your channel is being sponsored! I contributed to the alpha, vut unfortunately I won't be able to be part of the Kickstarter 😭

Ok, This is the first I'm really taking a look at DC20. Seems like at a glance, it's taking all the cool bits from Pathfinder 2 and going with the simpler 5E system. I'm sold to be honest. You had me at 'stats give boosts' and then when 'rolling well affected damage'? Yup, I'm in.

Seems super good! Just one little conniption is how would a charisma based sword swinger or archer play out?

Hmm. So basically all starting characters get the maximum bonus to the major things they do (attack/cast spells). Why bother tying that to a stat/attribute ? Just say PCs are "special" and get the bonus. Also, every one can grant advantage to themselves. Twice. Do enemies do this as well ? Do the PCs all come with superhero capes ? Not looking like a system an old guy like me would enjoy much.

Isn't that like upgraded version of Pathfinder?

Oh boy, that is so great, especially the magic part. I immediately backed it - I am a convinced believer, for sure...

Idk man. I like casters not having to be tied to a specific mental stat, but having intelligence barbarians with -2 might seems reaaally off. I think the system would be better if you choose added a magic stat. So, pick might, agility or magic as your primary damage stat, then you pick a main “mental” stat as your primary “social/exploration” stat. Win-win. Make your smart barbarian, but he also actually can throw down with a greataxe

Keep that DC20 content coming! Love what this system does. It is just what I was searching for in a ttrpg.

Looks great!! When will this be available to the public to purchase online or in a store without being apart of the kickstarter?

Awesome. 👍🏻 Looking forward for more. 🙂

there should be a language mastery level 3 where you studied the language so much you can be an academic snob about it wherever you go

I’m super excited for DC 20!

I'm not sure I understand DC20's combat system, so forgive me if I'm mistaken but... From what I understand, Action Points are a system meant to add more flexibility on a turn by removing the restriction of action categories. (eg. Action, Bonus Action, Reaction, etc.) Why is it then that DC20 adds a NEW restriction that gives disadvantage for choosing to take multiples of the same action???? To me that seems so counterintuitive to the entire point of using an Action Point based system. At the end of the day, DC20 still only wants you using one attack per turn, purposefully undermining a portion of that freedom and flexibility. I'd much rather it state outright "you can only make one attack per turn" then hamstring your ability to do so like this.

I am very excited regarding dc20. The game feels really nice and you have just so much customization options to make your perfect fit. Regarding the concerns about prime modifier: 1. You dont have to build an intelligence barbarian or a might wizard.. but you can if u want 2. Making builds like bruce banner(intelligence) for roleplay turning to hulk (barbarian) in combat possible. ...and not on the extreme side.. a charisma rogue or an intelligence fighter(adjusting and finding weaknesses in the defence of an enemy) are really not that far fetched. Its a game if you love customization and i think that is awesome.

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*This will be the first RPG book I've ever bought.*

Gogo DC20 💜

The “Prime Modifier” system seems like a potentially boring feature. Some attributes end up being more important due to secondary benefits. For instance, if this was in 5e then everyone would always build around Dexterity due to AC and initiative bonuses. And why so impressed with “fire bolt”? It’s just “produce flame” from 5e.

Is there a sample of the type of monsters for the game? I’m curious because everything I’ve seen is all about game mechanics. You need monsters to pit against the characters and I’ve not seen anyone mention them. It’s like we are only being shown half a game. Is it going to be left to the GM to create their own monsters?

Please do a lot more videos on DC20. I’m subscribing in good faith that you will

This looks great and I threw in a pretty big pledge. I do have some concerns that all these extra modifiers (such as multiple advantage/disadvantage or the degree of success bonus on attack rolls) are going to make it so that there are just more rules that are easy to forget, mirroring my experience with Pathfinder 1 and 3.5. Half of what has made 5e so successful is how streamlined these aspects of the game are.

if what you say about attributes is all there is, i don't see a reason why a melee fighter would choose anything but agility, since it also gives you more defense, compared to might that (as far as I undestand) gives you nothing if it's not your main attribute. Overall, seems like agility is a great pick for casters as well, with both charisma and intelligence being nice if you want more magical defense.

Will you be making content for DC20?

So it's a mix of Tormenta and Pathfinder.

More dc 20 !!

My muscle mage can now be reality 🥲

Thank you very much for this video - it is clear that DC20 is DND with a ton of new complexity added in. Not for me. Thanks again for the video.

This is. Lot of praise... even for questionable things. Seems fishy, since the system has some weird and post test analysis parts, but we'll have to wait and see, I guess.

I think it needed another revision or 2 before physical prints actually happen. I can totally see Prime Modifier being easily metagamed to hell and back by having a strong tanky character via high hp and grit do anything they want is lacking foresight and missing the point of stat governance. Multiple of the same qction incurring disadvantage is an absolute HELL NO for me as that doesn't deliver the promise of freedom of choice rather forces dynamics. You're punish for being big dumb muscle barb who just wants to go SMASHY. You're punished for wanting to spam several firebolts like a magic machinegun. You're punished for wanting to try and million stab like dante. The multiple checks if they do apply to combat actions like this as was how i interpreted the explanation is an immediate giant turn off and won't be looking into the game further if it's choosing this wishy washy implementation of freedom of choice. Has potential but it reeks of lack of testing. Far more testing and a few more dozen revisions please.

So basically its pf2e but simplified xd

Great video but why the heck is it called „everything you need to know“ if it literally ends on „there is so much more cool core stuff I haven’t even talked about“ 😂

5e house rules

Not really a fan of Prime as written. All it does is prevent you from doing mixed builds where you want to do 1-1-1-1 or any other fun combination. You must always have 1 ability at the cap, which is annoying. I feel like I’d rather Prime = the ability score cap.

The only thing I did not like about this whole system is the fact that you can use inteligence to weild an axe and might to cast a spell. It kinda feels stupid (to me at least) bc it strips the prupose of having different attributes. Wizards should have high inteligence, if you want to put stuff into might as well is fine, but it shouldn't help casting spells. I think that I would homebrew that out if I ever play it Other than that the system is what I always dreamed of: The spell duels, the proficiency levels, the multiple actions, and the deathmechanics! Everything is inmacculate! (Sidenote, ever since reading the "blaze of glory" death mechanic for daggerheart I think that every ttrpg should have something like that) Excelent video mate, I'll support this

Muscle wizards, ehhhh... I can see some decent ideas here like every martial getting stamina points but some that are also off-putting

The bland, generic digital art set my expectations very low, but I'm pleasantly surprised at the actual ruleset, seems like a solid distillation of many popular ideas.

I mean this seems like a sponsored puff piece, not really what I come to this channel for. Hope you can be more critical of DC20 in future videos, all the best

Looks like pf2, but blank and unoriginal

The idea of a wizard using might for casting or a barbarian using intelligence for attacking is an inmediate NO for me. I don't like when games sacrifice realism and character depth in favor of simplicity. Also, being written by the Dungeon Coach almost alone is also concerning, specially being the same guy who became Best Gold Seller at the DM's Guild and then uploaded a video saying how he was disappointing of not making enough money to try it again.

Yeah this system is dumb.

*I've been following this project for a while and the man is simply not a game designer.* He clearly has absolutely no idea what he's doing again rhe system is entirely just a collection of random slapped together 5e homebrew that should have stayed at the house of those DMs that show up on the D&D horror stories reddit