DCS: F-4E First Impression, Flight Dynamics and Analysis 

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Gvad, Thank you, I’m always amazed by how much wisdom you pack into these videos. Very privileged to have this information free of charge - i can not wait for the 🐶🤺

Great stuff, the numbers matter in this bird in terms of getting the best from it.

So this is the F4 at March Field Museum which I have been going to since I was about 7. I am 45 now but when I was a kid and rolled this thing in back in 93 they let me sit in it and play around as my grandfather (Who was a retired Chief Master Sargent in the USAF) lived locally at what was "Sun City" at the time and knew all the guys who ran that little (At the time little anyway) museum. It really meant a lot to me that they included this Livery and used this Phantom to develop this module. If anyone reading this is ever in So-Cal I HIGHLY recommend seeing this museum. It has an INCREDIBLE display of aircraft and bot of cool movie and WWII memorabilia as well plus Sabu.

Great video. But i still salivating for the MiG-17. I finally get a combat manual for the 17, from '72. So i already learning the craft.

Nice video. I think the default toggle pilot body is unbound for some reason but toggling pilot body in VR definitely makes it feel better.

Man this is so interesting! Thanks for your content✌🏻

GVad Great Video as always. very informative. Big congratulations to HB on delivering it on the numbers.

Great analysis! Thank You!

Some righteous info here. Thanks, that's good lookin' out.

Awesome info! Thanks!!

very interesting analysis of flight dynamics. I watched with pleasure.

Thank you for your insights, love the analysis !

I think the FM is really good for a fresh release. HB modules have the best flight models imo, and knowing them the Phantom is only going to get tweaked and improved as time goes on

The video I was waiting for! Looking forward to Pt. 2 (and hopefully a Top Gun series!) Was watching a few interviews with F-4 pilots and they also mentioned "you fly it by AoA, not airspeed". Why is AoA calculated and displayed in units and not simply degrees? Great video!

I enjoy your content. Thanks!!

Very informative, thank you!

I guess I am not the only one who first goes to MCAS to test out the flight model on a new release. I was expecting a flight model that was a lot more difficult at low speeds and I found the F-4E to be quite benign overall. The stories I had heard led me to believe the Phantom could bite you and be tricky and I have not found this to be the case. No matter how hard I try to stall the aircraft, the worst I can get is a 180 degree roll that then ... just ends ... and the aircraft reverses its roll and levels out even when I try to hold it in a stall condition. I had to really work at it to get into a flat spin and normal spins beyond one revolution I haven't manage to achieve at all. The most I can get is a half roll and then it just ... levels out. I have never flown an F-4E so I can't really comment about the accuracy of the flight model but to me a Cessna 172 is easier to stall and spin than the HB F-4E module is at this point. Overall though, I am really enjoying the module and, as you demonstrated, the flight model in other regards is very good.

Thanks, this is awesome!

Your vid makes me wanna quit work and play DCs right now 😂

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4:47 what happens might be: High AOA, stick to the left: right wing's aileron goes down, left wing's spoiler goes up. The right wing creates more lift (aileron acting similar to a flap) but also (much) more drag than the spoiler on the left wing, which will cause some drag and lower the lift of the left wing. Overall, this makes the aircraft yawing to the right, increasing the airflow speed over the left wing, producing more lift and causing the roll to the right. If using the rudder this will also cause yaw to the right with increase airflow speed over the left wing and reduced airflow speed over the right wing, causing the intended "roll right".

I was wondering the same about high-speed stalls. I remember watching a video of a Vietnam vet saying he departed at over 300 knots in the aircraft switched ends.

Yeah, the code may be wrong. The F-4 can easily 'stall' at high speeds --and because of the speed, it can be 'violent'.

Nice video. Do you have any hours in an actual F-4 any variant?

So according to your analysis, the Phantom flight model is one of the best in dcs for jets? I was waiting for your analysis to decide to buy the module. What interests me most is the fidelity of the flight model. I don't usually fly jets, I like piston airplanes. I want to buy my first jet and I am looking for the one that has the most realistic and challenging flight model. The mig 17 from red star simulation is another one that I am interested in since they claim that they pay special attention to the flight model. Based on your experience, which one would you recommend?

Thanks for the demonstration of the flight dynamics. I heard an interview from a US Navy F-4 pilot. From his experience, the F-4B, C, D J, S and N could get their noses on a target quicker because they did not have that long nose and weight up front that the F-4E, F and G had. I wonder, will HB bring out The US Navy and Marine F-4, and the earlier C and D models of the Phantom?

taking off loaded.. that wing rock.. are you flying with STABAUG off? I've never had that happen with 24 500lb bombs. Just curious. I've been taking off on by the numbers as well

Any idea the ETA on the MiG-17? Even though this is a late model F-4, it will still be interesting to recreate the classic duel of speed vs maneuverability.

i have many DCS modules and with 3 i have trouble with trim to level flight and center stick ! The F4 is one of them. when i do trim nose down or up i cant see the elevator moving outside !? In F14 it works well for me; they move. In F4 i always have to push the stick a lot forward to fly level which sucks a bit because my stick has a center force and it doe´nt feel right...not trimmed out ! Pls make a short vid how to trim that plane level in flight and stick centered.

VR, max settings, and the F4…just what kind of beast of a PC do u have? 😂

Have you seen what's going on with your stick and thus stabilator during the flight? Do you like it? Doesn't feel odd to be not in control of it?

Is the stall data above 200 knots from your F-4 SME friend for a slatted/soft-wing Phantom?

Hi Gvad! Take a look at ground effect on HB F-4E, please. It looks like it's missing. And I don't like how HB Phantom departs but doesn't enter the spin, and how it reacts on aileron input on high AoA. Yes, you show right behaviour on your video, but try to exacerbate aileron movements and don't use rudder - aircraft in DCS will go into a comanded roll. And engine obviously needs improvements - it spools up instantly. I'm not sure how it should be, but HB Phantom pitch up on 1.4M - 2.0M, that looks wierd for aircraft with stabilisers behind the wing. What is good in HB FM is that it works when airflow is reversed (when aircraft falls backwards on "bell" maneuver), forces on stabiliser become inverted. That didn't work on HB Tomcat.