@@showtime112 This is quite true!! I dont actually subscribe to many channels, but yours is definitely worth it! We need more quality, historical combat channels, like yourself.
I love these high quality videos, they are superbly done! Why did the Mirage dive low? It leaves you with nowhere to go and certainly no altitude to eject?
Thanks for the comment! Actually, the maneuver made sense. The air base the Mirages were attacking was the most distant one so they were probably low on fuel and couldn't afford a dogfight. The old Soviet missiles were not great and flying low near the desert floor was very likely to defeat the missile's seeker. But unfortunately for the Israeli pilot, the missile worked despite the odds. Just bad luck I guess.
Well, it's unclear if the Mirages were aware of the MiGs or they just accidentally dived at that moment. I think they were aware and concluded that those crappy missiles couldn't possibly hit them at such low altitude.
Most of the Egyptian planes were lost on the ground during the various surprise attacks conducted by Israel. Simply saying that Egypt lost 452 planes makes it sound like the were lost in dogfights, which is not correct. It's like saying that the US lost 188 planes against the Japanese who lost 29 at Pearl Harbour.
@@elvedinavdic5251 Taj dio s liderom je malo sporan. U osnovi, Šukri je imao dosta sreće s raketom koja u ovakvim situacijama češće nije funkcionirala nego što jest.
In combat, pilots often don't engage in a dogfight when in a disadvantageous position but disengage from combat instead. In this case, several factors contribute to that choice. Mirages were attacking Cairo West, which is the most distant airfield attacked so they were probably low on fuel. Also, missiles carried by MiGs were not very reliable, diving to low altitude should have been quite safe. But this time, the missile worked.
@@showtime112 Good to know info, definitely the Mirages were at a disadvantage, the tide of combat can change in a instant, with the right factors and in this case the factors weren't there. Good points
Watching these in Dogfights, my little brother came up with his own codenames for Russian fighters. He called the MiG-17 the 'fingernail' after a pilot's description of its round wingtips. The MiG-19 was the 'shotgun' due to its twin engines. The MiG-21 was the 'dart', for obvious reasons.
@@showtime112 !!! Hence your 'callsign'! Cool! Keep up the good work, especially the stuff about the Indo-Pakistani wars: I've heard next to nothing them!
@@benlaskowski357 It's quite amazing how much was happening in those Indo-pak conflicts that' is generally unknown in the West. And in that interesting period where technology wasn't the most important thing yet.
And there's no way for that Mirage III to outrun the MiG-21! Best chance it might have had was getting into the dirt, but having a shiny silvery colored skin in a desert environment doesn't help. Nice video!
Actually, Mirages came low not so much to avoid visual detection but to blend with the hot desert floor. Atoll missiles generally had trouble hitting low level targets because they couldn't distinguish their heat well from the ground. But this one could.
Thanks! You know, you are right 😁 The target audience are aviation enthusiasts who are interested primarily in aircraft. The political stuff is just to give some basic context. Many people think it is about who is good and who is evil. I block the most idiotic comments and I know that even the stupidest ones are good for YT algorithm, but I'd still rather not see them.
This Mig-21 was being flown by Mr. Abdul Sattar Alvi, a Pakistani fighter pilot. He was serving there at that time. He was very talented young fighter pilot.
This Trailer looks outstanding wanna see the complete movie. No serious another great historical content by Showtime you can't beat this guy if it comes to create great DCS movies paired with historical content simply outstanding. The History Channel should employ you. If i may ask? I see the Sexy Metal Beauty is not carrying any Shafrir-1s Heat-seeking Missles is this done on purpose or was it that way historically wise? I know at the time of the Six Days War, IDF/AF fighters used either the Matra 530 or the Shafrir I. Both were crap, and neither is credited with any more than a handful of kills during their entire service with the IDF/AF. It wasn't until the introduction of AIM-9s and Shafrir II during subsequent years that any significant amount of missile kills were achieved. And wasn't there no alarm sounding in the Mirage if one is being Locked On ? At the beginning of that mission, there were no four aerial combat kill roundels painted under the canopy windscreen, at the end suddenly there were. Was this because of the MIG-21 ground kills before? I'll prefer the Mirage IIIC anytime over the MIG-21. Why did Mirages do so well? For a number of reasons. Better training and piloting skills is one. Another was that although the Mirage was inferior in many respects to the major Arab fighter at the time, the MiG-21, it had its advantages, which IDF/AF pilots put to good use.Then in August 1966, an Iraqi defector landed a MiG-21 at an Israeli airbase. Thanks to the Iraqi defector Israeli pilots already knew a great deal about the MiG when they encountered it during the war.
Oh, thank you once again for so much praise! As for History Channel, I think they mostly do reality shows these days so they would hardly hire me 😂 As for the missiles, it seems like those Mirages didn't carry them on the mission. Osprey's Six Day War Campaign specifies payload carried by Israeli aircraft for the air base attacks and there's no mention of Shafrirs. Also, in the Mirage III vs MiG-22 Duel book, there's an artistic illustration of this combat and the Mirage is depicted in clean condition. Regarding the kill markings on the Mirages, they are not correct. Three different skins are available with different numbers and kill roundels. They are not easy to change and it would be quite hard to track which airframe had a certain number of kills at which date. You are right about Mirage's better historical results. A combination of better strategy, training, intelligence and other details were ctucial.
6:22 - they gave Egyptians some breeding space : )) True! Egypt population in 1967 was 32 million; now they are 104 million. A lot of breeding space! :)
The Iraq air force had no chance against Israel air force but one brave solider kicked the Israel air force. The brave soilder and his squadron of Iraq air force took part in the battle with the old Hacker Hunter plane against the dangerous Mirage of Israel air force. That brave soilder took 4 mirage all alone and saved the poor Iraq air force back In those days. The brave soilder was A Bangladeshi pilot "Shaiful Azam" he also fought against the strong Israel air force for Arab an kicked them in the skies (with some old planes) We are proud of him Joy Bangla!!!!
You know, the Hunter mod is being developed for DCS. Maybe I will be able to reenact some of Iraqi Air Force activities with it in the future! Thank you for your comment!
Shaiful azam sir 💗💗 we are proud of him. How fought against Israeli on day war shot down 4 jet and also fought India war Pakistan war shot a jet, Destroyed many ground target
I wouldnt call the Hubter ab old hacker, it was subsonic but was very maneuverable aircraft. Both Jordan and Iraq had over 100 each. Yes i know about thus Bangledeshi pilot. Yhey build him a statue in Baghdad!!!
Nice video! Curious where did you get the Mirage 3 from? I thought it was just a skin for the 2000c but it doesn’t look like it is. Thanks and fun video!
Thanks for the comment! Mirage III is a mod by a group called VSN. They did other stuff like F-104, F-105, F-80 etc. Their mods are relatively simple, they borrow cockpits from FC3, they have SFM, available weapons are not necessarily historically correct... But I'm still grateful for what they do because there are a lot of videos I couldn't have done without them.
That's true. But If I could choose, it wouldn't be very high on my priority list. We could use other types more. For example F-4, Mirage III, MiG-17, Super Mystere....
I wonder, why during those Israeli-Arab conflicts the Arabs had so few successful sorties?.. The Soviet planes were definitely not that bad, especially MiG-21.
@ IncoreFirearms Well I read the book "six days of war" from Jeremy Bowen, and I remember he said that it was a cultural thing, the Egyptians trained very little, almost only for parades, the high officials of the armed forces or the high command were people that got there by contacts, not by knowledge, competence or capacity, (like in latin america so sad :( ) while the Israelis on the other hand, trained a lot, they believed they will eventually fight for their contry very existance, and the high command were very profesional and very competent and capable people... All story short, Israelis were very ready, In Israeli collective mind they were so afraid they thought they would loose, so they underestimated their capabilities, they were so stressed that they really worked on their problem... the results speak from themselves, Sun Tsu says that an enemy is more dangerous if he feels trapped, because the enemy will flight harder, very aggresive to the last breath because of the r Fear of death, I guess this really happened in the six days war, and I recommend you and everyone that read this that book, if you think an action movie is good... This is better!! You could even tell of how "radio el Cairo" disguised it's own people by telling them they were winnig the war (lies of course, like Mexican or Venezuelan ones), so sure those lies were said, that a few on the Israeli high command were confused, and a few days later, the the ugly truth for the Egyptians and the good facts for the sons of Israel...
There are several factors. Inadequate training, surprise in the 1967 war, obviously. Tom Cooper wrote some interesting articles at The Aviation Geek Club, even suggesting that one of the main reasons were inferior missiles and guns on Soviet aircraft.
You some how forgot to mention that lieutenant Yair Noi-Man (RIP) managed to jump his burning Mirage and to parachute safely to the ground. he was lynched and murdered by Egyptian civilians on the ground.
Ok I subscribe this video is really cool :) I just wish you had a better pc to record the game with stunning graphics, but I can't blame you for that and I just hope you'll keep improving. See ya ;)
This game is soo badass. Used to play Falcon 3.0 back in the day. DCS is just crazy good. However I looked at the cost.. WOW.. that's a lot of money. Do you have to buy each module via Steam or is there a base game, and a few add ons that would be a good start?
No need to go through Steam. Just download the basic game here: www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/beta/ You will get two planes and two maps. There are a few free mods, a couple of them really good. And always buy modules on sale, they come like ten times a year. You can test any module for free for two weeks.
Not really an easy shot. It a bit unusual that the missile hit because those R-3S were very ineffective at low level. The Israeli pilot did the most logical thing, he went low because usually, the missile seeker would have trouble telling his plane apart from the warm ground. But it was an exceptionally good missile.
In fact, the attack against USS Liberty took place on day four, this is day one. So this is earlier. I'm not sure if these are the same airframes. Could be.
Thanks! As for the insignia, there's an illustration of this fight in Osprey's Mirage III vs MiG-21 and it shows this exact markings. Arab MiG-19 and MiG-21 Units in Combat also indicates the same for the late '60s period. But Egypt and Syria were changing their Air Forces insignia so often in this period that it's really confusing!
@@satox9503 Egypt changed the insignia a few times in 60s and 70s. This is how they were depicted in two different Osprey books that cover this subject. It seems that somewhere in 1971 or 1972 they settled on the insignia they still use today.
I happen to have a ex Egyptian airforce mig21u that flew in that war. Was on a live fire training lesson when instructor and student got involved Had 2 kills But also got hit in the rear. She landed safely and flew again.
Make vedio about late pilot wing commander Saif ul azam of Pakistan 🇵🇰/ Bangladesh 🇧🇩 airforce, who shot down 3 israeli jets in June 67 war .! Thanks .
Mirage III was initially designed to be high altitude interceptor. Hence the Cyrano radar, useless at low to medium altitude. Fact that Israel (and some other countries) used it as a strike fighter is a different story. Not sure what your problem is.
@@showtime112 Da,mislim da je ta godina u pitanju,jednom pilotu je bilo oštećeno krilo na MiG-u 21 i tako se borio u dogfightu,a jedan ruski pilot je tada ostao bez goriva i sletio na pijesak u pustinji,isto je bio MiG-21 u pitanju
@@PappaBear_yt But sometimes they really are. Remember that video 'How Syrian MiG-21s Almost Shot Down Israeli Eagles'? Two MiG-21s sneak upon two F-15s and launch missiles, but before that the F-15s shoot down some MiG-23s. At least two people thought that those were the MiGs from the title, but my knowledge was so lame that I mixed them up! One even told me to f*** myself! 🤣
@@PappaBear_yt The guy from Military Aviation History made a video with the dumbest comments he got. I'm collecting some good ones, might make a similar video in the future :)
@@Melvorgazh Depends. F-16 has one engine and it's quite a performer. 'It's all about power to weight ration. If you can get a good ratio with a single engine, that's fine. The second engine gives a bit of safety margin for operating over oceans and such.
If more Egyptians were airborne, Israeli casualties would have been far higher - but the Israelis still would have been victorious since their pilots were better trained. When the Israelis then turned their attention to Jordan, the Jordanians put up a far better fight for a time because they were trained by the Royal Air Force and flew Hawker Hunters. For example, Flight Lieutenant (who retired as a Group Captain) Saiful Azam, shot down 4 Israelis in 6 days. 3 were confirmed and the 4th crashed enroute to Israeli because his aircraft was hit by Azam but succumbed to its hits. The pilot was killed and this was confirmed by the Israelis. Still, the Israelis managed to destroy all Jordanian air bases so the Jordanians operated from Iraq.
Thanks for adding more info. I would be interested to reenact some of the battles Jordanian pilots fought. I caught something on the FB the other day, it seems like there's a team developing Hunter for DCS so that might be an option.
F-13s actually had a gun but some of the versions that followed such as PF didn't. I guess Russians also started to believe that missiles were enough. I'm not sure how much of that was American influence.
Compared to the sleek Mirage, the MiG-21 looks like a hulking brute. By the way, is the flat, emotionless voiceover a deliberate choice? It sounds like someone explaining the safety procedures in a commercial airliner.
Not very. Before the 1973 War, most Israeli Mirages had their radars removed and replaced by ballast because they were practically useless in that environment.
לא התרשמתי. כמו שאומרים בחיל האוויר - המיג 21 הוא חד מנועי, חד מושבי וחד פעמי. זה לא מפתיע שיש הבדלי גרסאות בין המדינות. המצרים גם טענו אחרי שהושמדו להם 400 מטוסים בתחילת המלחמה שהם השמידו כמות דומה לישראל. ממש בדיחה
82ND AIRBORNE Do my ears Deceive me?? Or is that some kind of crypto...High speed...low drag...Teflon coated...Wind tunnel Tested Teletype messaging going on??
Sure, the fight back is only symbolic. But unless video titles are at least a bit over the top, people simply ignore them. I don't like it either but that's how things work.
Israel best ever pilots they will fight mano a mano... unlike the operation dessert storm where iraqui plane were out numbered by coalition force with the help of AWACS not impressive at all.. knowing that coalition have the most modern combat air craft....
Ooh, my favorite kind of comment! Mirages didn't fly straight and steady, they dove for the ground. Why, you say? But fighters never, do that, you say! They always, always dogfight. And you know that because you watched a lot of GS videos, you say. Well, for one thing, Inshas air base was one of the most distant bases attacked by Israelis. Which means Mirages didn't have much fuel to spare. Staying for a ten minute dogfight in full afterburner would have been a dumb choice. Especially with the Egyptians having the position of advantage. Second, Egyptian MiG-21 was armed only with two very unreliable Atoll missiles which generally had hard time hitting low level targets close to hot desert floor. And in nine cases out of ten, simply flying low would have worked perfectly. Unfortunately for the Israeli pilot, this was one of those ten cases when a crappy missile worked.
Inshas was one of only two Egyptian bases that wasn't put out of action in the morning attacks. This is confirmed by Israeli intelligence reports and the information comes from several books, some of them written by an Israeli author. So, yes. That's exactly what happened. Attacks were made with dumb bombs and using manual sights. Complex military operations never work 100%.
Jordanians only Arabs able to truely compete with Israelis in DOGFIGHTING. A significant one in 1966 had 1 Jordanian Hunter lost. Do a vid on other encounters.
help you to do what?, destroy the Jews and Christians for simply being Jews and Christians and rejecting Mmd and islam?, allah is a thug and you are his pawns, he is a pushover, a failure, a sore loser...
