DCT - SKIP IT 🤯 🤨 ON THE NEW GOLDWING Motorcycle 

Exactly i still have my m109r and vtx1800 but this dct is just on another level, it honestly reminds me of my bmw M3 dct you can let the bike do the shifting in bumper to bumper traffic then switch to manual control and up and down shift yourself on twisty roads.

@@RanGer-498 That is the best part !!!

For some it will be the DCT, we just feel the manual is worthy of consideration

Same feeling

I love my dct in sports mode

100%!

Ive ridden both. Dct i prefer and i didnt on the africa twin .

Let us know how the first DCT recalibration works out for you. Use economy mode, and the down shift clunks are not so bad.

Thank you We had sought the DCT as well initially, the price of this 2018 with 6 speed had us. DCT or manual they are all great. We do not see much on the 6 speed version, and possible a few may consider it now. Yes, the DCT is very popular for good reason.

I am considering a new fatboy, but I keep coming back to watching gold wing videos. Do you really prefer the wing over harley

@@danthechippie4439 I prefer it yes. But it really depends on your riding style, what you are looking for. HD has its heritage, nice cruising bike, where as a he GW handles better, good for curves and straits. Seating position is different. My knees tend to hurt a bit more on the GW, where as, the seating position of the Ultra I had my legs were bent less. The HD has better paint and plastics (fiber glass) the GW scratches a bit easier. I say if possible, ride both for a decent distance.

True on seating positions, paint we will disagree and on GW. Yes on Harley paint being more heavy duty. We have a bottle of Scratch X that seems to take anything out. Have not had sore knees yet on GW, am looking at foot pegs

dct walks the manual experience ALL TRIP LONG...straights, hills, mountains, switchbacks, etc. i just put 800 miles on my '22 DCT touring over the past couple weeks here near the blue ridge mountains...now I just walk past my HD ultra limited like it belongs to grandpa.

Great to meet you as well hoe our paths cross again down the road

Awesome, hope to have you here on down the road.

Great choice!

…totally get what you are saying and agree!

I also totally agree. I always said I couldn’t see myself buying a sports car with an automatic. I once saw a guy with a yellow Ferrari, I took a peek and I saw automatic and I asked why automatic and he said my wife. I said “with the money you have you could have bought her one of her own”! Manual shift makes riding/driving more fun.

That is awesome!

Our Best, Thanks!

Spot on👍 Very alarming that DCT GOLDWINGs have so many low speed maneuverability and clutch issues.

Thanks Loren, our best to you

The GW 6-Speed is a price hack over the DCT

Our background is in automotive engineering and design. Honda CVT and dual clutch transmissions on the car side have had numerous issues. Historically manual transmissions out last other types of transmissions. Just something to think about.

Keep burning down the road, we hope to see you.

Jim, our planned Hell to Paradise Ride is coming up in May or June, you are welcome to join. We will cut a video with details.

After a couple of years, the clutch will outlast the DCT anyway

Fair enough! The foot shifter is an option, yet costly. The 6 Speed will lower the price of a new GW

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions when money talks there is no arguments 😉. Safe riding 👍👍👍

Zero remose, best motorcycle on the road. I left that automatic brain fart in the video as our goal is to be authentic. Good luck with that DCT.

Good luck with that DCT stay calm when it clunks

Yes, it would be so terrible if 6 speed GW Tour sales increased

We see. Econ mode on the DCT helps with the notchiness. Also re-calibrating the DCT on a regular basis is required. If no health issues, the 6 Speed is the way to. Super light clutch, super smooth shifting, just so relaxing.

Well, a golf cart on two wheels.

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions what do you ride man

The Gold Wing mirrors are positioned directly in front of the handle grips, that helps a bit. We have found glove liners for cold weather riding.

The dct allows you to switch gears when you want. It just doesn’t require a clutch

@@jtfike I’ve ridden both and I’m aware how it works, I’ve been riding since 1987

@@qroadrunner1996 well then perhaps your posts should reflect that? You just made it sound like you couldn’t.

Agreed possibly this is a great perspective the DCT is considered more often, or the manual unfairly gets over looked

We need to call out the DCT Down shift algorithms that result in abrupt clunky shifts if the RPMs are off. The 6 speed is the way to go. Second hand GW DCT purchasers beware!

Agreed

Indian challenger is a very nice bike , i was looking to get one but in the end honda offered more features standard that i wanted. Either way you have a good bike as well.

Curious, the Indian Challenger shifts manually. In some form then you agree with us. The DCT is boring compared to the 6 speed indeed

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions not necessarily for instance , i like the audio system better on the indian and i like the classic v twin sounds but i like the hand shifter on the dct as well as the unique experience right now of hand shifting or foot shifting with out the hydraulic or cable clutch. But tell me this when your on a cruiser/ highway bike hiow much do you actually shift? Ill answer that for you, not much at all ...again we can argue all the point we want but in the end its what the rider gets out of it.

Yes, owned a Fat Boy. Uppers and Lowers going out on M8s to start. They honor the warranty, just replace failed parts with the same parts that fail. I would recommend the Rocket 3 GT first if a cruiser is what you want.

Great comments. The 6 speed GW is still a compelling bike. Especially for low speed maneuvers

Tony, can you compare the goldwing to the rocket 3 in terms of comfort and weather protection and in general? I'm trying to decide between the two.

@@100toeface too be honest? If I had to choose between the two? DCT gold wing spanks the ass off everything. Class, super class machine. Yes? Big bucks, but... you get what you pay for.

@@tonys-travels-2023 I'm really not sure about the comfort of the goldwing. I know that is what it was designed for, but that doesn't mean it is actually the most comfortable. I actually owned a honda cruiser before and my butt hurt so bad I would have to rest my tailbone on the edge of the passenger seat after about 30 minutes. I know from personal experience that feet forward is more comfortable than the position of the feet on the goldwing. But I am not able to test drive/sit on a goldwing. And obviously in the looks department the rocket 3 and ducati xdiavel s completely blow the goldwing out of the water. The prices are similar across all three models. So if I can get a rocket or diavel with its looks and fun factor (both important) AND they had superior comfort (make use of aftermarket windscreens, corbin seats, etc) then that seems like a better choice. That said, without comfort nothing else matters because I won't want to sit on it. All of that 'stuff' on the huge dashboard can easily be replaced by a phone mount and an apple homepod mini (which runs on usb c power, presumably all these bikes have 12v accessory ports into which a 12v usb c adapter could be plugged into).

Depends what you plan to use it for. For sure in the “looks department” my new rocket blows the gold wing out of the water. I’d be stupid not to agree. Phone, I’ve got a 12v socket. I’ve got headset in my helmet. But... mile munching and comfort? Best I’ve ever had in 46 years of biking. DCT? It’s phenomenal. I rode back from Poland in one day 1200 miles... yes, long day.... but no problem whatsoever. Likewise back from Zurich, Switzerland.. easy short trip by comparison. Surround sound, say Nav, heated seats, heated grips, electronic adjust suspension, air bag, hill descent, cruise control... can’t even recall all of it. If I had “too choose”... it would be a wing. Great about town... no problem whatsoever. In the right hands? Don’t underestimate how it GOES! Various ride modes etc. Put it in sport, with the “best Nike engine on the planet”..... you’ll give the kids a ride for their money. Goes like a nuclear missile. Not (not) too be underestimated. But, and a big but.... everyone has their choice, moreover “their needs” It’s a lot of £ notes. But when you move from a wing to say a “rocket 111”... you realise what you pay for. Cheers, all the best. Happy biking. PS Just had my rocket “super cleaned and “ceramic coated”.... looks fabulous. PS If you go rocket 111, don’t waste money as I did buying panniers. They look right on the bike, but no bigger than a ladies hand bag. Not even “water proof”.... and stupid money

Yes, you can paddle shift a DCT. That said, still nothing like using a clutch.

I never looked at it that way. I think I will need to take one on a test for the day. The DCT that is.

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions I like my Goldwing (non tour) stealth, black 2019, thank you. (Although I do have one detachable Gold Strike cup holder for long trips) ;). I feel I have as much if not more control when using the manual shift paddles going into and out of the many canyon corners here is So. California.

@@richardzollinger4750 Believe we mentioned the DCT paddle shifters, great point either way. For us, the clutch offers a friction zone, superior to paddle shifters.

100% accurate. Pure riding bliss with the DCT. A when threading through today’s metro traffic. Then smooth, smoother and smoothest of rides.

@@roadglide well Road glide I will say I am really anxious to try this new DCT out. I just wish Honda did the bigger trunk on the 2018-2020. That way I could get a new used one. I think the bigger trunk looks better on the bike then the 2018-2020. That being said I can't wait to try one out.

Check out the link in the video Ride Like A Pro review of the 6-Speed Goldwing

Right on Rugby!

Goldwing tour with the manual has reverse, it uses the starter motor.

@@michaelbayliss1794 my wife doesn't ride, so I'm trying to save money and get the base (no trunk) with manual, but I don't like the idea of giving up the slow speed forward & reverse .. I think I would really use that

Did not, the manual has an electric reverse

We did not loose reverse there is an electrical motor it uses

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions I think that's only on the Tour model and not the base without the trunk .. pretty sure I lose Reverse on the base model. I know I lose some features because of the Manual instead of DCT, and I also lose one or two others because of it being a base and not a Tour model. I'm only looking at 2018 models, so it's possible this changed in 2019 or 2020.

Cool

Definitely will do, coming soon. Thanks for the great comments ODTRP

They do sell a clutch less shifter for the 6 speed manual. Still cheaper than the DCT.

The 6MT will come out of the hole a lot harder than the DCT. Get the launch down and DCT's quick up shifts won't get the job done.

@@wonderwing5139 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6-ivaahASkc.html This is what I went by. I wasn't trying to say anything bad about either. Just what I seen. If you have something proving otherwise I would like to see it.

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions I will stick to the cluch if I did anything. Its just personal preference. And thats what I prefer.

Going from 6th to 5th and back with manual is pretty darn cool, and we prefer to be in charge of that vs. a DCT. The 6 speed is definitely worth more consideration against the DCT.

The clutch is fine everywhere Damian. We have zero issues.

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions The clutch is no fun in stop and go traffic no matter how you cut the cheese slim

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions The DTC is a game changer as far as I’m concerned I still have my Loud and proud Yamaha roadstar 1800 out there but I prefer this bike any day and I definitely prefer over the three other Harleys I’ve owned in my time.

You have said this perfectly, God Bless. We (I) took so much sh!t when we got our GW 6Speed Tour from haters who drank the DCT koolaide it really made the algorithm a rough go, yet we stuck with it. We have nothing against the DCT other than factual known issues. ODTRP

We are getting 47-52 mpg in tour mode with our 6 speed GW. Another great reason to skip the DCT. Best, ODTRP

50 MPG US or 50MPG IMP they are different

Still better than any DCT

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions that not true 41 US mpg is 49.25 IMP mpg. Which would be mean Chris is getting exactly the same mileage as this guy if he’s getting 50 IMP mpg

Very cool

Pretty darn cool

Boring perfect :- 1

We think you would, try a test ride

The DCT has been around for a while. It is still awesome. Regrettably many riders struggle with low speed maneuverability etc. it’s all good. We just do not want the 6 Speeds compelling value case to be over looked.

The 6 speed is covered under warranty

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions not the clutch.

Another thought, manual states no down shifting until around 45.

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions yes its recommended* on the dct from 7th to 6th and from 6th to 5th 35mph , on the speed the manual states from 6th to 5th 28mph

You can still do that on any bike, safety is your call

Congrats Orian on your new GW. We would imagine econ mode in traffic would be the ticket, no pun intended. Thanks for being here

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions Thanks for the Reply Will try that:) By the way are you in Taipei?

Your English is better than a lot of people that live here. I hope you love your new bike.

My Bad, toung twisted in my head

Changing gears is just more visceral and a part of the original motorcycle experience.

You can not imagine the amount of vitriol thrown at ODTRP for raising the flag on the Honda DCT GOLDWING. You will have to buy a used 6 Speed Tour, they are out there. Completely superior to the DCT. Thanks for your perspective

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions I'm fortunate to have a salesman that cares, and went out of state to get the replacement manual that I will trade the DCT in on. I knew I was going to lose thousands on the trade, but I dislike the DCT that much. The poor shifting takes any pleasure out of a brand new bike purchase. I have never had any vehicle shift this poorly, and this goes back to the 70's. And since I will have this bike for 10+ years, I suck up the loss, and enjoy the manual.

A clutch provides more control for slow speed maneuvers and of course cornering.

The argument of not easy doing the slow speed maneuvering falls flat if you practice. This bike doesn’t feel like a big bike, and sure it took some getting used to no clutch but in a very short amount of time I was very confident doing all the slow maneuvers. The other plus for me is with arthritis in my hand, getting into city traffic or stop and go jams on the freeway the DCT is unbeatable. I’ll never go back.

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions Thats pure inexperience talking there. I've had clutches all my life and now this DCT and have zero issues with slow speed manuvering and cornering. If there was an issue Trust Me I would tell you but to get on here and make a video about "smooth shifting" I don't even feel my bike shifting as all you hear is "clicks" (you can't get more smooth than that). As for performance I find myself having to let off the throttle just to stay up with my riding buddies because they lose acceleration during shifting - I don't. We will just have to agree to disagree.

@@mikehernandez1511 We are referring to those who have written us stating they have trouble at slow speeds with the GW. Additionally there is an issue when downshifting the DCT if the RPMs are mismatched it will slam the gears. A remedy is to keep it in Econ mode, though it won't completely go away. We, most riders we know prefer a clutch in almost all cases. DCT's are fine if that is what you prefer. The GW 6 speed gets over-looked unfairly.

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions That may be an issue where the transmission needs to be reset. I do not have any issues with my transmission shifting up or down. I don't remember the code off my head but you hold down the N while turing on the bike then D/N/D/N and it resets itself. Yourll hear the bike going thru its gears sitting still.

The manual has reverse too. Great point. The manual weighs 833 dry, another great point vs other bikes

You might be surprised

The Goldwing Tour 6-Speed is all that more, for less money

Great choice, we will be adding a clutch less shifter ours soon

Probably so, the 6 speed has many great merits to include being lower priced.

We have, many of them. The DCT is boring

Sorry to hear that we have had no issues with our manuals in that regard. You have a manual GOLDWING?

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions I have a manual Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro. I have been thinking of moving to a Goldwing. So I have been ease dropping in on lots GW RU-vid videos and opinions. I don’t know if I should get DCT or the manual drive.

This is a Fantastic point

Fair enough! Here is an EXPERT analysis: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fIyXNsC-XP0.html Congrats on your new Wing, the DCT we understand will need future calibrations, may clunk on down shifts (Econ mode helps with that too).

They are!

PTSD brother lol

Ummm okay was there a point your comment?

Yes, we can work something out

Yes

Agreed

Thanks brother

Enough said!!!

It gets really old and annoying in LA traffic I can assure you there is no fun involved.

This is not about disagreeing with the 85%. This is about more riders to take another look at having the 6 Speed vs. the DCT.

Well good for you. That why we a choice not everyone likes the same shit.

@@mrmoo7325 Your 57% number is for the last 12 months of sales so it’s not accurate on an overall basis. I don’t need to prove a point. The DCT Goldwing is the most amazing motorcycle I’ve ever owned. This is my 6th Goldwing since 2013. I have some good knowledge about these bikes.

@@mrmoo7325 here is how the Chief Engineer on the DCT Team describes the DCT...... How would you personally describe the benefits of DCT? The biggest thing for me is how much brain “bandwidth” it frees up to use on what is most enjoyable about riding: cornering, looking for the right lines, timing your braking and acceleration. The other thing is that it is both easy and direct-“easy” meaning no need to use a clutch in slow traffic, no chance of stalling, no bashing helmets with a pillion; “direct” being the speed of the gear change, the ability to use the triggers, and, as I mentioned, to concentrate purely on your riding.

This is all very interesting. I will have to ride both then decide. Just so strange to think of not shifting.

Just testing to see who's paying attention, currently have 23 + years on all types of motorcycles. Apologies for the edit foible.

@@OnDownTheRoadProductionssame here and the dct blew my mind first had it on a vfr1200f but on the wing it's a game changer on my vfr friends struggled to stay with me in sport mode and it out dragged them all the dct wing is one to ride and u will see the difference

Great perspective, if not for the huge discount on the GW we may have also wound with a DCT in a few years. The manual is still very nice, and maybe can considered more often

Agreed, control correlates directly to safety.

We videotaped with the bike we bought, not the bike we skipped

What control do you loose that the dct doesn't offer?

The sport on our Goldwing does not impress like the Rocket. If we had not ridden a Triumph Rocket, yes you are correct Sport mode is powerful.

Thank you, great tips. We have similar experiences, check out the 2003 Acura CL video we have. The GUHL flash is interesting, we will investigate. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LJmnutZvC0U.html

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions I've owned Accords and Civics, hybrids, ex and si's. Honda use to make great cars! But there all crap now. The last three new honda cars had, more warranty issues then the 7 previous new cars and trucks,,,, including honda. So I wont buy anymore of their cars. And it seems they may be ruining there motorcycles with some real halfass efforts. The Wing is a very bi-polar bike for me. Great frame, brakes, suspension with great geometry,,, the best! Really like the multilink up front. But they completely screwed up compression, rebound and damping. The plastics and paint are third world. For a 1833cc motor it's only more underpowered by Harley. Maybe after a heart attack or stroke I will understand this geezer glide better. :)

23 + years on manuals. Better controllability with a manual transmission. And yes, we have DCT experience.

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions Hi me too, Indeed for the same reason + fifty years of clutch driving, I am used to that. The manual clutch gives me more confidence in short, steep turns, especially in the mountains where the roads are narrow ... I live in Europe "lots of fun" in the mountains here! (I drive a GW 1800/2018 manual) namasté 🙏 * I also drove the GL1800 DCT but it is not for me! Give a maybe ... if i was living in the USA *

We would rather clutch it in turns, especially for the Tail of The Dragon. It takes a while to bond with a DCT, especially learning the sweet spots for shifting.

No late to any dance here. You can get for example right now today a stick shift Accord, Civic or Ford Bronco. That is apples to oranges to compare that to a motorcycle. You must watch Cruiserman bitch about his Goldwing and compare it to his Lexus with his yellow safety vest on and his anal plug on high torque. A hand operated clutch on a motorcycle is so much safer in turns, for example with a far better feeling of control over a DCT.

Used your thoughts as a guide for our video, thanks!

Can't say there, maybe watch your throttle. The GW is a take it easy bike

Yes it does.

Agreed

lmao.

@@americanveteranaceshigh9051lyao. Spoken from behind the control center of your Hoveround?

That’s cool, the 6 speed is still a compelling motorcycle

We might get a golf cart one day

Could be for you. Be safe slow creeping, in turns, and the DCT downshift conundrum

That must be some great kool aid. Buyers will save money with six speed Gold Wing, and be just as happy, if not more happy. I only see DCT Gold Wings in the right lane on highways in Econ mode typically, as ec0on mode helps with the DCT cluck downshifts.

Occurred to us at ODTRP as well. Its a golf cart experience, which is fine for new riders and geriatrics.

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions ha ha, love that; ''golf cart experience'' , still laughing... and so true.

@@bikersoncall we are proud NOT to be one of THOSE You Tube Certified Motorcycle Mechanic "fake passion" "vain" "narcissistiic" "click bait" channels. Example: Using Tinder Trash for click bait. seriuosly?!

Was your volume to high?

@@OnDownTheRoadProductions I don't remember exactly, it was probably so high , to be able to hear anything, then a volume jump or the intro was way loud and other spots too hard to hear, don't remember exactly, what were we talking about// :) Thank god Honda still sells a choice, and you can still get a clutch, Goldwings imv are the finest bikes ever produced, especially as a long range tourer, and so much better looking than other touring bikes.