DEADLY Attitude! The Truly Shocking story of Pakistan Airlines 8303 

YAY a new video by Mentour Pilot.......... 54 minutes????????? YAY a new 54 minute video by Mentour Pilot!!!!!!! Where's my popcorn???

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I don't even want to think about the other PIA pilots with faked pilot licenses when this pilot was actually an inspector supposed to keep pilots in line. Unbelievable. And nevertheless the reality.

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Remind me to never fly Pakistan Air. Substandard hiring practices, obvious excursions from the SOP's, low intelligence narcissistic pilots, and First Officers who clearly are unfamiliar with CRM procedures. What a bunch of idiots.

Yes.. unfortunately those traits come together quite often

Sounds like the average politician...

​@@AB-80X🤣🤣🤣

Not so bad if your a street cleaner, more so if your a pilot responsible for hundreds of lives!!!!

@@MentourPilot That's what I was going to say. Often people cover up their lack of competence with abrasive arrogance so they not not questioned. I have seen this happen in the computer security industry. When I encounter such a person on my team or in a rank above me, I start looking for a new job.

I noticed that as well. It's not something you'd say if you were confident that you had everything under control.

They should have spent more time flying the plane instead of asking God to.

Regardless of culture and religion, certain mindsets should never be allowed near technologies below 1000 years old

Peaceful Islamic Sharia Society & Sunnah Hadith Islamic Theology are stark realities of this world.

I guess the secular version of what you said is "Here, hold my beer."

Inna ilayhi raji’un

God bless. Sorry for your loss.

Allah bless him with higher place in Jannah Ameen🤲🏻

This nearly brought tears to my eyes. God ensures that he is resting in peace.

​@@Rehanali-ib2ohWhy couldn't allah tell the pilots to not fast and be dehydrated while flying a commercial plane? Ramadan is a huge reason behind this crash. PIA had to ban ramadan for pilots after this accident.

As someone also from Karachi, I can't exaggerate how much I agree with this. A truly disheartening and disappointing incident.

I was happy when I heard they were selling PIA to a foreign operator

There's a cultural issue too. People in a position such as Captain tends to be arrogant, brash and so on. As we would say in the west. That man was outside of therapeutic reach. Doubt this man was flying due to corruption, I think he was flying because he was bullying his way ahead, and so are many others.

I've known others from Pakistan, who have complained about the corruption and arrogance as well. Yet some of these complainers continue lying and stealing inside the USA. This does not bode well for the Pakistani people.

It would have been so easy to blame it ALL on the pilots, but Petter in his final round-up lashing, outspokenly denounces malpractices, lassitude and negligence in the entire chain of responsibility. 🤬

It’s a testament to how safe the planes. Every single one of these planes can be programmed to fly and land themselves. Everyone would have been safer had these guys taken off, gone to sleep and then returned for the auto landing (you can’t program an auto landing at just anytime).

Can't believe they overflew an alternate militery runway. NO situational awareness.

everything in the world was trying to make them land safely but they somehow managed to crash into a residential area, it's an absolute miracle. whoever approved this guy's psychological report needs to be in prison

@@ishaan863psych report: you are not a good fit to be a pilot, you have no regard for authority and aren’t very smart Pilot: I’ll show you! I’m going to disregard your authority by seeking a second opinion 🙃

The country is running in the same way any time they will be a crash landing of the economy, political institution , educational institution, religious institution and militant groups will be running amok

This is how Pakistan operates in every single aspect, from the government down to every citizen at a personal level . No procedures are followed, no integrity is maintained, no one's held accountable especially if they have money and most of all, no responsibility is taken. How about, vehicle safety regulations were so outdated that cars from the 80s (suzuki mehran) were sold up until 2018 basically unchanged and I'm not exaggerating, it was the exact same 80s car with slightly updated exterior lights. Very famous for fatal accidents and it cleared the safety regulations all this time. Even after the update to the regulations in 2018, the newer version of that suzuki is still incredibly unsafe and basically a metal of death now with some questionable airbags in the front. Even today many cars made before 2018 (including moderately expensive ones like honda civics) roam the streets causing unnecessarily deaths and injuries due to almost non existent safety equipment.

I too am an airline pilot, just approaching the end of a 37 year career. This appalling and completely avoidable accident will keep me and my family from ever travelling with this carrier. If this chain of events had been the plot for an aeroplane disaster movie, it would have been rightly criticised for being wholly unbelievable. Nobody could possibly be that arrogant, ignorant or stupid!

many of pakistani pilots shouldnt be flying.. this makes me so mad.

And they applied max manual braking when on the ground.

Indeed… horrific

RIP everyone who lost their lives due to pilot stupidity.

I feel very sorry for ATC. They tried to prevent the crash, only to be ignored by the pilots. It must have been a terribly helpless feeling.

@@MentourPilot I know they did almost everything wrong, but watching 43:11, a single --two-- too low gear warning before touch down could've saved them.

Considering that this was a recurring pattern with this captain, it's no wonder that he would think so.

Yes.

Yes, this is a solid point. Clearly this whole "eff it, lets go for broke" mentality doesn't proliferate in a vacuum. Takes multiple layers of ineptitude to master this kind of arrogant stupidity.

It's not without reason that PIA is banned from flying to EU and many other places...

I’m watching it now and reading the comments while Petter goes on about NordVPN and it’s less than six minutes in and I can see where this is going.

Perfectly fine there, to be fair, I assume that would be the whole point of the game.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

It's a good thing you're not a Standards Pilot then!

First half of this story was just like a VATSIM flight. The lying about being on localizer, stabilized, etc.

You couldn't have been that bad!

Yeah. Unfortunately this wasn't a case of the Swiss cheese lining up, it was the pilots devouring all the cheese until none was left.

They were fasting, they skipped the cheese entirely

They were fasting tho. They declined that light snack remember...?

Did they even bother to get landing clearance? For the first landing.

​@@ahgflyguyI don't think so

Impressed is not positive per sé.

He did impress them. But not in a good way

It *is* quite impressive to crash the same aircraft twice in one flight, honestly

He can't rest in peace bro, he got cremated in the incident

Impressive as to how stupid the whole situation became and gross neglect on all sorts of levels.

Can't help. the pilots were from Pak. most men there are of a suicidal bomby nature.

@@sambrownericson And most westerner are of stereotypical mindset

@@sambrownericson bro what

Exactly, I probably could have done a better job.

When i was 8 and first flying in FSX my landings looked like that, but at least i had my gear down while piledriving the runway

After watching this channel for years I think I could fly a plane 😂

No, certain pilots have reached this point which only allowed by certain airlines. If this was rampant we'd be seeing major crashes far more often. I believe culture plays a role also. In some cultures junior officers are either discouraged from offering advice or they are simply reluctant to do so. Also from my understanding Airbus flight systems have a weird way of handling competing control inputs. It is difficult or impossible to for one side to lock out the other. This played a role in the Air France crash after pitot tubes froze over followed by the aircrew stalling the airplane with all about killed when it just fell into the ocean. It was a confusing time but they crashed a perfectly operating airplane.

I got 150 hrs on Microsoft flight sim. Pretty sure I could do better.

They weren't in a fit state to drive a /Go-Kart/. |:{

@@SeamusDonohueEVEOnline I doubt their ability to walk 😆

Probably he had done this before, if he'd made this landing it would probably have happened on a subsequent flight....

I know, this seemed like a movie plot, totally unbelievable stuff.

the only thing wrong these guys didn't do was

I mean... If half the pilots in the company don't even have pilot licences I don't think any listening to conversations is going to help...

Excellent idea!

i feel this could be shown to every pilot again and again ie training.. so they know what not to do

The aircraft and the fucking ATC guy. Dude was literally ordering the pilot to abort the landing. He initially was nice so the pilot can save face, then more insistent, then straight up ordering him to abort the landing. Imagine how helpless you'd feel trying to save people in that situation and them just dooming themselves.

I don't blame a family member of not blaming the captain, honestly. It's hardly unreasonable to try to justify something like this from a loved one.

Relatives are never objective sources so I wouldn't hold it against them. It's like when you see a mother of a criminal crying on TV that the cops killed her son, because in her mind there should have been another way and he shouldn't have died. Same here, the relatives of any pilot will be in denial believing that something else went wrong, it couldn't be their relative's fault.

I will say as well they may never believe the final report or even believe it

@@allnighter2011 need you to pump the brakes on likening this to a bereaved mother asking that extrajudicial killings not be carried out by police. that was neither relevant nor tasteful. this pilot got himself and others killed by picking a fight with gravity and the planet. cops are human people who make the conscious decision to murder civilians in a way a runway cannot and does not.

thing is, their entire nation is full of scammers and liars so nothing they people can say can be trusted

I can't like your comment, but you have my condolences.

PIA = Please Inform Allan

@@meritwolf219 what does liking a comment exactly mean? Does it mean you like what's being explained or you agree with the sentiment of the statement? This philosophical questions has never been answered throughout human history.

​@@usual-suspectAt the snack bar?

​@@MultiChrisjbOf course it's been answered, it's individuality. It Is.

😂 I know right. I'd be so pissed off if I died because of this kind of incompetence

Pakistani pilots are the biggest joke I’ve heard in aviation

Cheers mate 😊

Shoutout to you're mom's home cookin

hey this guy got 2 people there alive...just a taxi ride from the airport after probably a long stay at a hospital.

typical muslims. Vnonchalance

Yeah, the landing gear crashed them twice

I suddenly see the parallel with Titanic... Both accidents happened with arrogance and the irony took them down.

I was also about to say the same. No bye bye, No suggestions to watch similar videos. Peter had enough of these Pilot's stupidity. Even in the video, you can actually see how uncomfortable Peter gets while explaining what the pilot did.

You're right about everything, but I just want to point out that this WASN'T 'allowed'. Not by anyone but the two (thankfully-deceased) pilots who conspired to send 96 others into the next life unnecessarily. As Mentour says, they broke ALL the rules.

@@meritwolf219 whilst I agree with you in principle this wasn't the first time this pilot and this airline had pulled things similar to this, their regulator had failled hugely to catch them - so it was allowed by the system in practice even if it was "not allowed" acroding to the rules...

@@tomriley5790 You're right. Which means OP was too. Especially since, upon rereading his comment in terms of that understanding, I think he really was saying exactly that. Thank you.

@@tomriley5790 Indeed, exactly.

That's a brilliant story! Wow.

I sent you a policeman. I sent you a truck. I sent you a boat. I even sent you a helicopter!. What more did you expect me to do?

I remember this story fondly as a university student being recruited to a fraternity. It was told by an elder fraternity member to the possible neophytes during one of the recruitment dinner events.

Nicely put. Yes .

Remember when you were considered unfit to be a pilot? Even back then I was already trying to save you. But you had to be stubborn and fight my will.

Mentour pilot is the goat, he deserves more subs!!

Most of it, I could at least see some level of, okay maybe I can see how that makes sense in their minds, even if it's obviously wrong. But when the copilot did everything but announce an aborted landing and the pilot responded by taking over the controls (at around 34:00-36:00), that really just made me throw my hands up. How can you be so arrogant that, even when your partner-in-flying has called off the attempt and you have to basically banish him from flying the plane to keep on track, you don't realize how foolish you're being? After that, nothing that happened surprised me, including the blatant and indefensible defiance of ATC instructions.

I was literally screaming here and very upset 😡 😭

I'm listening, BUT not watching this YT video at about 25 minutes. Lined up with the ground for an arrival, not a landing. Splat... The radio glidepath system gave 'em false confidence, but could that slope have even looked right? Were they ALSO not looking out of the front window? YT video is at 37 minutes and I can guess what happens next... Too fast. OMG EDIT: Now at 3k feet again? I must have missed something. I thought they'd be crashing on the runway, but they took off again?

I've thought of that.

No hype, no drama. Just facts and professional opinion.

This episode could easily be three videos.

We're at 1 million flights per day. Probability says stuff will go wrong sometimes. We're really very safe in the sky.

@@olivermahon9509 The actual number of passenger flights per day is closer to 100,000, with about 6 million people flying each day, about 0.1% of the world population.

I agree. I think they should just ban alcohol and stuff like that in general, because in Islam it is banned. Also my personal opinion.

Ironically muslims can choose to not fast when travelling.

@@basilalias9689 yeah you aren’t supposed to fast while traveling.

I’m so sorry. May Allah grant her jannah.

But Allah allowed this happen and many times 8n the past.

.... those pilots are totally incompetent... what a story

I always pause the video and write down these facts in my notepad, for reference in latter parts of the video.

I does consume extra time. "Next I will explain to you that the chicken crossed the street. Please remember this for later.", "Now I will tell you that the chicken crossed the street, it will be important for the remaining part of the story,." "And then the chicken crossed the street. Do not forget this." "Remember that I told you that the chicken crossed the street?" and so on.

Peaceful Islamic Sharia Society & Sunnah Hadith Islamic Theology are stark realities of this world.

@@tommyrjensen ....it's more like...now at 18:34 and 20 seconds the chicken approached the road slightly ahead and below the normal clearance visual height to see that the road was clear, and, had the chicken learned anything from prior chickens that crossed the road, then what happened next could have been avoided - more on this in a minute - so now the chicken proceeds with his limited vantage of the crossing traffic while at exactly the same time an 18 wheeled semi tractor trailer, pulling 40,000 lbs of fowl in that trailer, has no indication that the chicken would actually step into the road. So, the passenger in the semi, who should be monitoring the sides of the road for any possibility of a chicken, and should be prepared to warn the driver who's job is to drive the semi, was not clearly communicating......... and so on....

INEXCUSABLE all the way around.. Nothing more to be said.

Peaceful Islamic Sharia Society & Sunnah Hadith Islamic Theology are stark realities of this world.

​@@usual-suspect stop the copy paste, troll.

@@LathropLdST Copy that. Over.

Also holding back his anger for calling him Peter instead of Petter...

PIA = Please Inform Allan

There's a Coffeezilla video on not quite fake but bought licenses and degrees in Pakistan, India, and the wider ME. I'm not suprised that they hired pilots with bogus degrees.

In the digital age where just about any certification can be checked by practically anyone, how is it possible to pass a fake pilot's license? That's truly baffling. Money changing hands = wink & a nod to Captain McLovin?

Not surprised at the fake licences at all - a while back bus driving licencing changed and in my local area large numbers of a certain demographic vanished from the buses.

Allan or Allah? ​@@usual-suspect

Don't take it for granted. Humans ultimately decide that

I mean when Ur under pressure and tension, you lose sanity mate........

Im working on my engineering major, my teachers CONSTANTLY tells me that the problems almost ALWAYS on the monkeys operating the machinery

@@legendaryhound5261 if only it caused ppl to lose their ego so manny lives would be saved

Indeed...Planes are made fail safe....It takes intentional sabotage to crash them.

This entire flight, start to finish, was a disgrace to aviation. When you are that far off course and receiving orders, something must be wrong in their head to continue.

@@chukwudiilozue9171 I mean it's obvious what's wrong with their heads. At least with captain's.

don't be a weirdo. showing this to your employees would just frustrate them.

The person on the ground was _fatally_ injured, meaning, they died from the accident as well, even if not immediatly.

I'm also trying to wrap my head around this. The surviving passengers were definitely mangled and burned badly, but it is pretty amazing that they are alive. I believe a lot more people were injured on the ground and one died, but that's also relatively amazing. I agree that the whole story is absurd from start to finish.

At least 8 people on the ground were injured (reports vary, some saying 25-30 were admitted to hospital for treatment). 1 on the ground died - that wasn't the count of ground injuries. But I agree, the 2 survivors were miraculous.

​@@amarissimus29 One of the strange things about this accident is that actually the two survivors were not that badly hurt. One of them walked out of the flaming plane and was treated for burns to the extremities only and was well enough to give interviews immediately. The other passenger survived because his seat was flung away from the plane and away from the fire - he only had a broken arm and some bruising.

@@aesaphyr Yeah sometimes people make it out in such an absurd way, like from the japanese airplane that crashed straight into a mountain and you had ~5 survivors iirc, which is pretty much crazy when you think about the impact force of a full dive plain hitting the ground

Same

The most shocking thing to me was the pilot's inability or unwillingness to visually assess his altitude. I'm no aviator but think I could have a good stab at noticing the difference between 9000 and 3000 feet above the ground...

@@thedubwhisperer2157 yeah pretty hard to miss that hahaha

The bit that shocked me (I'm no pilot) was putting down the landing gear when they were already about to stall. That's just complete stupidity...there is no need for an operation manual for reference when at stall....nose down (if possible), reduce all drag. They might have made it if they did that is my impression.

Same. I was just gobsmacked at this one. How can someone so well trained (as commercial pilots are) be SO unaware of their surroundings and the events unfolding?!?! I just don't get it.

He was the good guy there, but sadly the stupid pilots crashed the plane because of him asking about the landing gear

​@@milan99czthey had a belly landing prior to this question, the ATC didn't know they were in a grave stall situation at that point and although I am assuming, they were probably checking if they were having landing gear problems and if they needed to prepare the runway and the emergency personnel for a belly landing procedure. The pilots could've just said to the ATC "unable, standby" or something along those lines cause even me, as a general aviation enthusiast face palmed when i heard they put the gear down in a low speed, low altitude stall situation.

One thing I can't seem to understand is why Karachi approach cleared them to land? (34:25)

Ultimately, the ATC can't tell him what to do, only advise him. It makes sense, the pilots are responsible for the lives on board, but in this case the pilot was completely incompetent.

"We can make it, Inshallah". Allah's not the one flying that plane. Those pilots' dumb asses are.

And it was a pakistani psychiatrist too. It was the British ones who let him pass. Prolly his cousins or something

Yes, indeed.

Really - I don't see how that is possible.

Surviving doesn't necessarily mean walking away. They were probably mangled and permanently handicapped.

@@TucsonDude Zafar Masood "suffered only fractures" and Muhammad Zubair "suffered only minor injuries"

If you search, one of the survivors has a TEDx talk, “What I learned as one of two survivors of a plane crash”.

This really is mind blowing. With each minute that passed, each ray of hope was systematically snuffed out by complete incompetence. Unbelievable.

Hard agree. Mentour does well to hide his disgust at the extreme negligence these two showed... It's a wonder they even made it to the front seats in the first place. RIP to the innocent souls lost.

Even as a non-pilot who has only "flown" a couple of hundred hours in video games, I've immediately facepalmed as soon as the gear drop has been mentioned. That guy didn't just throw SOPs out of the window, but any basic understanding of how an airplane works along with it.

Even as a non-pilot who once played MS Flight Simulator and managed to crash before even getting airborne and somehow accidentally came across this video, I can clearly conclude that these 2 pilots should have stuck to flying paper airplanes, and only with parental oversight.

They may have been DEI hires.

Don't we put in checks and processes to identify and retrain or remove those people?

@@kxjx As someone quietly corrected me earlier, the people determined to do the wrong thing weren't limited to the cockpit of this aircraft. Those checks and processes were ALSO administered by such people.

@@meritwolf219 yeah, there is something about incentives here

In the future someone who flies like this will be replaced during the flight either by a team on the ground or artificial intelligence.

The task of idiotproofing will ever be doomed by the universe's ability find better and better idiots.

Generally in 3rd world countries like Pakistan, the death toll is often under reported. Source: I speak from my personal experience in India (also a 3rd world nation).

That was probably the most forgiving A320 ever. They could probably even land it after damaging both engines, but nope. Sheer incompetence. 😢

@@krishnagopalsinha4799 As a person who lives in south asian countries, I can definitley tell they absolutely under reported the deaths.

Peaceful Islamic Sharia Society & Sunnah Hadith Islamic Theology are stark realities of this world.

It was indeed Great Luck. According to what I readed: The crash happened on a Friday, it was therefore a Holiday in Pakistan, many people were not at home but in the Mosque for praying and not many people were on the street, too. The dead person on the ground was a 13 year old Girl which was together with her two sisters in the third floor of their house which was ripped of by the right wing of the Aircraft.

I'm now dubious flying Boeing. But certain I don't want PIA whatever the aircraft.

Perhaps not so much on the part of the co-pilot. They often? sometimes? not say anything in part due to deference to an older, more experienced pilot. Especially in societies where there is more reserve and deference to older men.

​​@@josepha.r5839 as an Asian where deference to elders & authority is a cultural norm, these days we are specifically trained to disregard it when it comes to safety. It depends on the organization & if they have trained their staff well. Cultural norms are well & good but not at the workplace and any impact to safety.

@@nikpalagaming8610 exactly Korean Airlines managed to change this culutre after their crash there's no excuse for Pakistan's airlines and regulators not to have done it.

@@tomriley5790 / He did a video about that crash I believe.

Truck drivers are truck drivers for a reason.

​@@norwegianzoundwhich you enjoy the goods and service that trucking supplies 😐😑 , he was pointing out there are walking twits like the captain in every industry .

@@norwegianzoundcultural problems from this part of the world. Personal responsibility should be universal to all industries

Sadly I'm not surprised, but this is the reason why Aviation is supposed to be so safe...

I understand why sops are there for truck drivers, but SOPs for pilots are not just necessary but mandatory. I can't believe how pilots showed such ignorance

Thanks for sharing your experience! I too can really relate to this.

Just curious what game was that ?

Every time I fire up X-Plane, I try to follow procedure the best I can. Follow the checklist religiously. Keep checking all system indications constantly. Keep checking that RNAV is still functional. That's usually with 150 virtual lives - when I disconnect AP, it's always when I have full visual with the runway, or if it misbehaves and I have to take over. How can someone deem breaking procedure acceptable regardless of whether the aircraft's in danger or not is beyond me. Especially an actual machine with that many actual people on board.

I feel guilty when I accidentally shoot down my virtual wingmen in DCS World.

Fantastic comment by the way.

The captain was very simply dumb and intellectually slow/dull. His psychologist evaluation already deemed him below average intelligence, he should've taken the hint back then. He is literally too dumb to be a pilot

Privatization helps

They should privatise the airline.

@@sargunangoppalan7809 why should this help?

you have my compassion, especially because there are so many pakistanis good people who would have deserved a better society. I know Pakistan from two journeys. In my opinion it lacks in basical fields. I saw women working in the fields while their men were sitting in the village for a chat and a drink.

How is this airline still allowed to leave Pakistani airspace?! Every country should basically regard every PIA plane as a probable disaster, a flying ticking timebomb bomb, essentially. The fact that this hasn't happened before is entirely thanks to the amazing engineering of planes, since PIA clearly doesn't care about their pilots' qualifications, skills, ability to do the job, or ability to follow SOP!

Indeed, exactly.

Two calls. 'Go around', and the later call from the controller about his gear.

These pilots are so incompetent it's actually impressive.

@@cr10001 Yes - and that says much, too.

I think it would have overshot the runway definitely and crashed if they had continued trying to stick the landing .. so the 'go around' option would have given them sometime to try another landing and they almost got there maybe 3/4 seconds more and they would have reached the runway! .. Extending the landing gear so early increasing the drag was primary reason crashing!

Is everyone supposed to know what TRI/TRE mean? Don't be so damn pretentious.

@@robinac6897 I was here merely to express my opinion. Not to gain your approval.

How on earth did the two pilots not know they were to high on approach, were they total idiots ?

@@jukkaruoti6243 Your lack of readability has nothing to do with whether I approve of what you type.

Our corrupt system powered by the corrupt military, co-sponsored by corrupt politicians in association with mafias working in every department.

Fair play to you sir! 🙂

Mr Eastwood understands that unlike almost everyone, age is not a limitation for him.

@@lookintoit4537 he inspires me to stop thinking about retirement. I heard him interviewed about this and he said, “I get up in the morning and keep the old man out.”

Knowing yourself can really improve your life. That's why I don't have and will never have a credit card. I cannot go shopping with future money. It's why my savings is in illiquid money, gold and silver. Those barriers are just enough for me to HAVE to act responsibly with my excess income.

@@SubvertTheState can’t imagine how much money you have saved in interest, well done.

That why’s it cost so much

We don't know how much of it was ground down (i.e. missing), it could be only the cowling and the external machinery Petter talked about, but not the actual compressors/burners/turbines part.

You sir have never owned a Toyota Huilix.

@@paulbenkovitz2061 The truck so durable that they had to stop making them. Not because of corporate greed, but because it was too useful for paramilitaries...

Sounded like the major damage was loss of engine oil. Unlike auto engines which usually use friction bearings...jet engines all use real bearings, roller, tapered or ball...so while loss of oil would eventually cause engine failure....it's not as immediate as it would be with an auto type friction bearing. Jus saying.... :^)

This deserves waaay more upvotes.

The problem is jr. employees do NOT KNOW when something is wrong. They think something is wrong, but the sr. employee keeps indicating they are fine... That is when jr employees go into passive behaviour until the last moment.

​@@mandrews1245 Sometimes they do. Sometimes they are very well trained, and they indeed know things, but don't dare to tell or intervene. Sometimes they notice things that are missed by the experienced professionals because those have learned from their experience that certain things are not worthy to be checked, because they never fail/are never wrong. Except when they are. I have to tell that I don't fly by profession, but I work in a field where mistakes do have consequences. I am always eager to hear what the newcomers say. Yes, 9/10 are meaningless and unimportant. (This is an opportunity to teach them.) But the remaining 10th is a point of view that no one in the current team has, and their insight and ideas can prove to be very useful.

This is way better than any "seconds from disaster" tv show. This is quality and informative.

After that accident there was a crackdown with regards to pilot licenses: PIA grounded a bunch of pilots, fired some of them and the Civil Aviation Authority in Pakistan stopped licensing pilots altogether for a while.

Totally incompetent!

Peaceful Islamic Sharia Society & Sunnah Hadith Islamic Theology are stark realities of this world.

There's a 20+ year old joke that PIA stands for 'Please Inform Allah' or 'Perhaps I Arrive' so I doubt this captain was the exception.

@@a64750 Even with the gear down, they ran the risk of overshooting the runway, like Garuda 200.

that must have been horrifying to have a plane crash so close to your home...

When it's at that bad an angle, it's possible the fuel system may not feed the engine right.

@@chukwudiilozue9171 noo, it's explained in the video very clearly - plane hit the surface with no gear down and damaged the engines, so much that oil started leaking, and that ultimately stopped engines.

Because allah wanted so.... Believe in Allah and you will be saved

You bring the gear up in a "go around" to reduce drag. (But NOT a terrain escape maneuver by my understanding). Part of the problem was the the gear going up was never communicated to the pilot who was insisting on landing.

Unfortunately, this incident, and the other recent crash, only points toward a very corrupt and inadequate safety system and training program within PIA. Probably enhanced by an equal high corruption rate in the Pakistani society as a whole (not surprisingly considering the salary ratings in that society, but still no excuse either and a very damning circumstance in generel). And unfortunately, it's not just the 2 crashes with their loss of so many lives that should never have been cut short in this tragic manner. I have no count on the many irregularities I have come across over the years when it comes to PIA, many of them potentially lethal with only a miracle preventing that lethal outcome. And I'm not even in the actual aircraft safety community where these incidents are best known. I also know that the media coverage in Pakistan is not as available as in the western world, but I still cannot fathom why the generel population of Pakistan will still even want to fly with PIA at the present level of safety, let alone the possibility of reparations for injured or relatives of fatal casualties being available in Pakistan. This is one air line that should be so feared that nobody would want to even see their aircraft on the tarmac of an airport. And quite apart from all this, which unfortunately is mostly harmful to any common Pakistani traveller, there is the inevitably delayed action on the part of the international regulatory system of aircraft safety as a whole to deny PIA access to the airspace, again sadly putting many people of Pakistan in totally unwarranted lethal danger, augmented by the support to PIA by the Pakistani government in some misguided sense of national pride overriding the safety of the population as a whole. And that is inexcusable in my humble view., to the point of actively taking part in organized premeditated manslaughter every time a life is lost because of it. Sorry. It sounds like I'm degrading the whole Pakistani society and all the people there across the board. I'm not. I'm sorry that you have to live in such circumstances. Nobody should have to do that.

I thought PIA was once a highly regarded and well regulated airline. No so anymore, apparently

@@Jens-Viper-Nobel Contrary to this you should know pakistanis as a WHOLE seek to avoid pia as much as possible. The only time you’ll see anyone bothering to use them is affordability purposes. I had to take a flight with pia last year and I can’t tell you how many people across friends and family chided me as to why i would ever use them 🤣 turned out to be a pleasant flight in this case

@@Jens-Viper-Nobel I hear you. It sounds like there are some deep-rooted issues regarding independence and democracy in Pakistan. The prevalence of corruption and a bossy nature in the workplace seems to be widespread, making it challenging for individuals to thrive, especially those pursuing careers like becoming pilots. It's unfortunate that the definition of leadership there is different and reflects a toxic environment. Hopefully, with time, the promising generation can bring about positive change.

@@alli3219 It's truly heartbreaking to witness PIA's decline, I heard it will privatized real soon.

It’s not the same thing either but I work as ground crew at an international airport. It actually serves Petter’s airline. I’m forever doing pushback of Ryanair 737s. But I’m never left alone out on the apron. If I’m ever uncertain I can call or radio about three or four colleagues or my supervisors and managers who will immediately respond or come to my aid. And I’ll never be judged or insulted or ignored for calling out for help or to get a second opinion. Nor would it happen if I called for someone out to help me. All is forgiven in the name of safety in aviation. Or that’s how it’s supposed to work. It’s the same thing with accidents no matter what damage you do and you report it we don’t get punished. Retrained and requalify so we don’t fear losing our jobs then failing to report it. Heck we’re neither pilots nor engineers but if we wander past an aircraft and we spot something that looks broken, damaged or just “wrong” and we report it then that aircraft is grounded automatically until it’s been checked by an engineer or pilot. In practice this just means a few minutes because engineers and pilots are always onsite. It’s why incidents like this are so shocking to us. We’re constantly drilled and pushed about safety. We’re reminded often that even for us on the ground, our lives depend on follow the rules. We’re told “The rules are written with the blood of those who come before you. Be careful when you decide to break them for your blood might be what the next rule is written with.” I’ve never forgotten it and I immediately call out any colleagues who don’t.

that pilot was stuck in the flight simulator game, and he wants to try hard landing

Your post says it all. Unreal.

This one actually made me physically sick to my stomach.

This guy literally appealed his rejection on the grounds that "when I applied, the standards were lower" And remember: there are people actively trying to lower standards because muh dei.

FYI there is a high probability that the pilot had a fake License or used unfair means to become a pilot. His father said in an interview that his son was studying Law when one day out of the blue his son told him that he'll become a pilot and join PIA. His father asked him how is it possible ? to which his son replied"I have made some arrangements .( Probably cheated in qualification exam or used fake degrees)

English has become the language of the cockpit in order to remove the honorifics

Maybe only flew Sims and Snuck aboard this real plane for its first/last flight …

The pilot tried to impress the controller with his flying abilities. It did not work.🙄

Considering 40% of the pilots had fake licences thinking it's GTA or something and these two were NOT one of them, is peak PIA

Actually, they behaved like people who are so used to disregard standard operation procedures that they were dull to the many warnings. Newbies behave way better than seasoned people who always did things wrong

@@GaryH-pw9cm Pilot uses flying. I't's not very effective.

😞

If he was here?