If it’s still in her name. Report it stolen! Go after the dealership with a good lawyer. The police should arrest the dealer for stealing it and selling it.
Problem with that is that the person it was sold to is innocent. They are also victims and could pay a terrible price if pulled over and arrested. They would have an undue arrest on their record.
Requisite IANAL. Arrest whom? Need a responsible party. The correct approach would be search warrants and subpoenas I would think. Then, GTA if criminal intent is found, asset forfeiture / damages and fines if criminal intent is not found
@@williamsteveling8321 The owner of the Dealership that stole and sold a car. Since they did not indicate a 3rd party or unauthorized person stole it from their lot, they are 100% liable for this.
@@scottmcshannon6821 I would think they would need to arrest the dealer listed on the paperwork. It could be argued that the owner might not have known what was happening. You sue the owner.
The dealership - Cherokee Auto Sales Knoxville - responded on their Facebook page; they seem to be claiming that if you ask for repairs to be covered under warranty, but the warranty has already expired, that means you have broken some sort of contract and that means they can sell your car. In other words, a bunch of BS.
I had a situation where I took the car to a dealership for an oil change (car was a few years old and covered with an extended warranty from that same dealership where I bought it new). After the oil change, start the car, and immediately the "check engine light comes on" before leaving their parking lot. Turn around and dealership wants a day to figure out what is wrong. Next day they say car needs a couple thousand dollars in repairs and rattles out a list of things: I said: "great!, I bought your extended warranty so I want you to fix everything you just said is wrong with the car!" They start backpedaling real quick and said they'd call me back. In less than an hour they call back and say "car is ready for pick up", lol. I ask what about the thousands in repairs you said were needed? The tech doing the oil change had disconnected a vacuum hose which caused the CEL. Scammy dealerships.
I once bought a new car and part of the promotion was getting a free detailing six months later. So I bring it in for the detailing and I decide to just hang out. I knew it would be a couple of hours. I had nothing better to do than sit in the air conditioned waiting room eating free popcorn and reading my book. Three hours later, I just wanted to know how far on the list I was. They said they had no record of me coming in. The guy I handed my keys to seem to not remember me getting the receipt for the estimate stating why I was there and the promotion with $0. I show it to him & the manager. After they accused me of printing it myself, I called the police from their phone. They had decided that someone took the car after they were done and thought I was the one who took it. The police come, the information is taken. The service representative says the same thing he said to me in the beginning. "We have no record of him bringing it in." I show the officer my receipt, and its got the time on it. The police ask if their security cameras work and record. They do, they watch me bring in my car and sign a page on a clip board and hand the keys over, and then some kid drives away with my car. "Who's that?" the police ask. "That's the detail guy." "Where is he?" ... crickets. The police ask if they could look around the place and the manager says yes. My car isn't there. The police officer and I spent 2 hours dealing with this. So they want to know the name and address of their employee. That's the last person to be seen with the car. The manager is visibly furious. The service representative seem nervous like he knows something. As the manager is pulling up his information and the police officer is writing all this down, suddenly the service manager has found my car. The service manager drives it up like it was just sitting in the back where we had already examined and it surly wasn't in the back. The representative says it was parked next door at the strip mall in front of the cell phone store. He says they sometimes use that parking lot like an overflow. The police officer looked at my receipt and the odometer and tells me my car has been driven 6 miles since that morning. There was no damage and it was detailed and fueled up. I didn't press charges, but how could you not only lose a car but and entire customer? My theory is they hadn't done the detail at all, the kid took it off site to have a detail done. They didn't expect me to sit there all day. And, apparently lost their copy of the paperwork. Incompetence all the way down. This was a GM dealership and I never went back. We've got GM dealerships in every town near by.
Receiving stolen property, except for it to stick the recipient would have to be aware of the fact that the dealer had appropriated it illegally. I'm certain the new "owner" would also have cause to sue the dealership.😊
We had a federal case in our hands that was going to be the most awesome blast to file suit against the state of Arizona. Then the State settled and we were SO disappointed! 😂
They sell her a $2500 car for $5900 with waranty, Don't honor warranty, Keep her over 2k she's paid, and sell car again.... Nothing to see here. I'm embarrased for them, This is a scummy as it gets.
I've seen a lot of Buy here Pay here lots who get a down payment that is pretty much what the car would sell for in a private sale. All the payments are pure gravy. No way to lose in that business model
That's fairly common for cars that were being sold to subprime borrowers. They'd sell the car, wait for the payments to stop and then repo the car and repeat it until the car wouldn't be sold again. It's extremely profitable and probably ought to be illegal.
@@dennissvitak5475The concern is the dealers know the buyers will eventually default, it’s predatory and doesn’t add anything to society or the wider economy
In the early 80's a friend of my father was at a car dealer negotiating on a new car with a trade in. While he was negotiating a salesman was selling his car to someone. He happened to walk out to get some papers from the car and saw this going on. He asked the buyer how much the dealer was asking, cancelled the new car deal, sold the car to the buyer for less than the dealer was asking but more than the dealer was paying. He went somewhere else to purchase a new car.
Happened to me, negotiated a price, filled out the paperwork, they wanted my car as a trade in but lowballed me so I said I would keep it and suddenly the car I was buying was " just sold to someone over the phone, can't sell it to you". Left that dealer and purchased a car from another dealer.
I got thrown out of a local used car dealer for something similar. I was trying to get a price on a F350 diesel they had on the lot and they kept stonewalling me. Little did I know there was some woman interested in my truck. She finally walked in and asked me if it was mine and what I wanted for it. Before I could even speak we were both being told to leave. Funny enough, later that afternoon I got a call from the sales rep I had dealt with on the F350 and he wanted to give me a price on the truck.
Dealers hate me. I don't "impulse Buy" and that's their bread and butter. I don't ever ask "How much?" I say, "This is what I'm willing to pay, bottom line. You can put them numbers where you want but this is all I'm willing to pay". You know what they will sell for if you just look at everyone's adds and do some comparison. Make a decision on what you're willing to pay rather than what they want.That way they don't have room to build price by adding a destination fee (I'm here, the cars here, what destination?), prep fee, or any of the other dodges to get you to shell out more. The only issue with this is that you absolutely have to be willing to walk. I've walked over $300 on a new truck. That's the only time I've actually had to walk. Other dealers for that brand sent me offers for 3 years after that though.
Dealership committed both theft from her and fraud when they "sold" it. Both she and the person the dealership scammed should be suing them big time. And the state should be investigating possible criminal violations.
What I'm wondering about is... Who "buys" a car from a dealership and then is just okay with not getting the title, not registering it, apparently not getting insurance etc... In my country it gets covered in driving school how you properly purchase a car and what you do with a car between purchase and starting to drive it. And driving without insurance is a felony.
@@jeremydale4548Not in Tennessee sadly. Since she dropped it off it's now a civil matter. If you order a hamburger in Tennessee and pay for it and they just hand you a bun with a little dab of mustard, miniature piece of lettuce and tomato that's not stealing and is a civil matter according to the cops. If you call the cops and try and get your money back and the same manager that made your burger without a burger patty on it wants you trespassed, then she can have you trespassed for having the nerve to demand a burger patty on your hamburger. Morristown Tennessee police will say it's a civil matter because she didn't take it out of your pocket it isn't stealing. Then they trespass you for life.
This reminds me of that Texas dealership that sold a woman’s C8 corvette she ordered from the factory when it was delivered for pick up. They got in major hot water.
In the late 60's an airman from the local base went to local Ford dealership. He parked his car, met a salesman, looked at several cars, decided to wait. He returned to his car only to find someone sitting in it . The person was told to wait in the car, sales would bring the keys so he could test drive. The airman had a hell of a time getting his car back. Explaining what happened when he returned to the base,the Commander put the car dealer off limits to all military personnel. Seems like nothing is really new......RF
The dealer is absolutely responsible for replacing the vehicle with something of equal value. She also needs to report the vehicle as stolen by the dealership.
If I steal a car the cops will arrest me and put me in jail. If a car dealership steals a car the cops will say it's a civil matter and say there's nothing they can do.
@@Strideo1 stealing a car is considered a felony in most states, selling said car is another felony. So its not a civil matter, the cop would have to document and follow the rules as far as any other stolen care case. They cant just say its a civil matter because it isnt. Ther person who purchased the car would be in posession of a stolen vehicle, which is a crime. Dont know if its a felony because in this case they wouldnt have known it was stolen. Even still when cops came across them it would have to be confiscated.
@@zeroch1ll150 You can't force the police to do anything if they don't want to regardless of if you disagree. It's the same as when trespassers enter a home and claim they have a lease and the owners call the cops and instead of arresting the trespassers the cops say it's a civil matter and to take the squatters to court.
The woman bought a $5000 car and had to finance the purchase. She also bought a $900 12 month extended warranty. The dealership played the odds that this poor, ignorant woman would not be able to hire an attorney, but they forgot about the local news who do not charge people to help.
@@mikeschneider5077 I hope you realize that there are situations where the person experiencing injustice is an actual victim and not a "crisis actor". Also that you having incomplete information doesn't allow you to speculate about motivation, timelines, information not given, the situation *or anything else*.
Former TN dealer here, I suspect that the dealership financed the car and is therefore the lien holder on the title. In TN that means they have the title in their possession. They simply fill out a repossession form and can resale the car and get a new title. Obviously they broke the law since the buyer had not given them any reason to repossess the car. Also, in order to claim abandonment they would have to hold the car for 30 days, send certified mail to the owner and file paperwork with the state to obtain a new title. It’s a slam dunk case for the owner of the car. The dealer screwed up, they need to settle with the owner. Edit: It is possible that they sold it to a salvage yard either with the title or without if the car was more than 12 years old. A salvage yard would not register the car for tags so the state would not know it was not still in her possession thus the letter she got regarding lack of liability insurance.
She probably paid off the loan and the buy here pay here dealer "accidentally" didn't release the lien. To compound things, BHPH lots repo a lot of cars when the buyer misses a payment, so some sales guy assumed the car was repossessed. And we all know what happens when you assume.
@@curtmeister24exactly this. These scam places are used to doing as they please. They thought that ignoring this lady would have no consequences because she is poor.
If she's financing a $5,900 car I have a feeling she's also using an insurance company with a cartoon as their spokesperson so it's not going to cover much. However even if it were one of the big insurance companies I doubt this would fall under her insurance policy.
Her insurance company will require a police report. And the police report would state this is a civil matter with the dealership and not grand theft. The insurance company would then dismiss the claim and cancel the insurance on the vehicle.
If I was a judge and this came across my desk, the victim would get the car back, the loan would be paid in full by the dealer, the person they sold the car to would be awarded double the value of the car, and the dealer's business license would be revoked. Punishment must be severe enough to prevent reoffending.
I would think this would constitute "Grand Theft Auto" if they sold a car they didn't own. That makes it a criminal offence not a civil one so the local DA should take action.
@@DellikkilleDShe would have been out a car either way. The only thing that really changes in this situation is that she has a reason for lost wages and she'll have to attend some court hearings. Hell, she could probably get a GoFundMe set up and have a car by the end of the week with how viral this story went.
No way. If this happened to me, I'd do the court fight. But I'd rather have the busted car and financial problems. Unless it settles, she has years of stress coming. Car maintenance when you're broke happens all the time, and it doesn't ruin multiple years.
I don't understand how this is a civil case. If I stole a car from the dealership it would be criminal, why isn't the dealership employee not criminally charged for this?
@@jessicasharp9886 I understand the logic but the law doesn’t work on logic it works on how laws are written. Steve explains why it’s not theft and that there is a legal term for what happened. He said it’s called conversion.
@@whydotheytry7940The reason being: businesses pay for the election of our politicians so they can have them write exclusions into the law for the crimes they commit. Yay corruption.
Had a similar situation a few years ago. My wife's best friend has a roommate who bought a used car from a dealership near where they live in N Richland Hills TX. A day after he brought the car home his phone started blowing up from the dealership. They kept telling him there was a problem with the car and that they needed him yo bring it back in (making it sound like there was a mechanical issue). He told them the car was running fine but the kept hounding him. So he went back to the dealership the next day. After some extensive back and forth with the dealership they finally fessed up and told him that the car they sold him belonged to a customer who had brought it in for repair. They convinced him to return the car in exchange for a sweetheart deal on another one. I don't know what they told the folks who originally brought it in.
I'm a little better versed in the legal aspects, therefore they would had have to GIVE me a car - free - to let them off the hook... They would have done it (after they talked to their lawyer), because the implications are complex and far-reaching. Legal defense alone would likely exceed the price of an average new car.
Just have enough money to do what you want, simple!! That's the world we live in. Laws mostly exist for those of us who can't afford to find ways around them.
Courts are here to protect businesses. Why would they hurt them? Businesses break all sorts of laws, nobody ever goes to jail unless they don't pay their taxes.
@@TheCatherineCCSorry to burst your bubble but this happens just as much or more up north. In my experience living in NJ, it's much more corrupt than the worst of the south
I had a similar situation but it did not go as far as this story. Years ago I had a '91 Pontiac Grand Prix in excellent condition but the driver's side window motor went out. I go to a local junk yard and the person at the front desk told me where in the junk yard was a matching GP I might get the window motor out of. I take my tools out to the donor car and about 30 minutes later I walk back in the office to pay for the motor. Then I notice two people around my GP. I go out and ask what they were doing. One of the men, the owner of the junk yard, was trying to sell my GP to the other man, but they could not find the keys. The yard has just taken delivery of some rebuildable wrecks that morning and I just happened to park right next to those cars. The men thought my GP was one of the rebuildable wrecks that was ready to be sold. I said nothing and I took the keys out of my pocket and got in and drove off, with two confused men left standing in the lot.
That's a little more understandable. Although presumably they should have a separate spot for parking cars for customers and ones with somewhat more space for ones that are for sale.
Even worse: I saw a case of a man who went to the county courthouse for some business. Parked his car in the lot behind the courthouse at the end of a row of other parked cars. Row of cars was there for the local fire department (located in basement of courthouse) to be trained in use of jaws of life and other means of destructive entry. Oops...
I used to work for a finance company doing inventory looking for conversions. I found quite a few of them. The strangest one was a dealership that I caught in a conversion was allowed to write a large check and allowed to continue business with the company I worked for at the time. The dealership thought it would be smart to hire an attorney to manage the dealership after that problem. Then I caught them again in conversion, this time much larger in scale. Not only did their loose the dealership, the attorney lost his license to practice law. Such a fun job.
As a shop owner (in Michigan), I can tell you that just because somebody abandons their car at your shop, you don't get to own the car, you can only place a lien on it to recover your costs.
The shop actually still had the title, as it hadn't been fully paid off yet. Not saying what they did was right, only that it's a different situation than what was presented in the video.
@@enarginsno, they didn’t legally have the title. At the time of sale the dealer has to fill out and file with the state a transfer of title paperwork, which they did because the state contacted the buyers after the fact to say they didn’t have insurance in place. The only thing that dealer had was a copy of the transferred title with their lien on it.
I sold my mother's car in January to an individual who then turned around and sold it to someone else. In August I got a tag renewal notice for it still in my mother's name. I called the guy I sold it to and he started a lengthy story about how he sold it to an older couple and everything was registered. So I said, "Well the state thinks it is still in my mother's name making her responsible for whatever happens to it, so I'll just report it as stolen.". He quickly went to the local DMV and verified the title was in the new owner's name.
When you sell a car, you should file the paperwork with the DMV notifying them of the sale. This prevents you from being liable for anything the buyer does with the car after the sale. I even go out of my way to file that paperwork when selling to dealerships too (trust no one). In Texas, the paperwork is called the "Vehicle Transfer Notification" form VTR-346. Look up the process and forms for your State.
@@beepbop6697 Iowa doesn't have that, at all. You fill out the title. Now obviously, you should take care of transferring the title at time of purchase/sale. But (on private sales) I've never gone with them to the DMV, I signed the back of this thing then was supposed to hand it in later (I mean, *I* handed it in within a day, but....) I did run into the same thing when I sold a car to a friend, and got some parking ticket for it about a month later. (It was like a $5 ticket. I handed it over to them, and they took care of the ticket and the title then. It was a friend and not some rando so they weren't a dick about it, they just hadn't gotten around to it. And apparently don't feed the meter properly either thus the $5 parking ticket.)
@@beepbop6697yeah but… …I’ve gotten free cars that way by NOT doing that. Basically someone bought the car but never retitled it, or registered it, as it was sold as a parts car. They somehow fixed it somewhat and simply abandoned it for whatever reason. Someone wanted to buy it, but I was still the last registered owner, so they contacted me. I had no way of contacting the buyer, neither did the shop where the buyer abandoned the car. The shop never put a mechanics lean on it, so I filed for a lost title and picked it up. I’m not sure what happened during those eight years I no longer owned the car, but this is what happened. I eventually was forced into selling the car a second time, but again, did not fill out this form because again, it was sold as a parts car, though I did print it out. Texas, so same form you speak of. I didn’t submit the form because I kinda wanted the car to find me again. It’s a special car that doesn’t really deserve all the misfortune that has happened to it. And of course, with it now being a 36yo classic import, someone out there might’ve decided its worth restoring again.
buy the gods (and receive a complete set of demons, absolutely free!), you're right! all those other perfectly innocent used car dealerships have had their reputations besmirched by this one, rare, lone wolf, renegade dealership. won't someone think of the poor, poor used car salesmen?
@@dianeladico1769 Steve is the expert on all things automobile related, however, no, I am not making a funny. There are legal requirements that have to be met before a lien can be filed with the court and those take longer than ten days. I'm sure it varies from state to state but here you have to send a certified letter (optimally with return receipt required), and you also have to have a process server physically go the the address of record (optimally the sheriff).
In my state, towing companies have a mechanic's lien on the car the moment they lift the wheels off the ground (assuming the tow is legit). I don't know for sure, but I suspect mechanics have a lien the moment the repair incurrs a cost.
Shady dealership. Theyt probably did minimal repairs to get it running, then sold a worthless $995 warranty to the new buyer (who reallyu can't legally be the owner).
I remember the police book. In '80, I had a job at our local Ford dealer in Florida as a gopher. During the first week, I left a handwritten note to the manager. The next day, he gave me the job of making all the entries in the book because my penmanship impressed him.
Something similar happened to my dad in 1966. He went to the local Chevy dealer and ordered a new car. Part of the deal involved trading in his 1963 Chevy when the '66 arrived. The new 1966 was scheduled to arrive in about 2 months. About 1 week after making the deal, the heater core on the '63 Chevy started leaking. My dad took the car to the same dealership to be repaired. He returned several hours later to pay for the repairs and pick up the car. No one could find it. Eventually the dealership manager was located. He told my dad that a customer came in to the dealership, saw the '63 in the shop and wanted it, so they sold it to him. At least they gave us a car to drive until the '66 came in.
That's the way the dealership in this case should've solved the issue. Either provide a great condition lightly used car a few grand more than the car the lady lost or offer a new car for the hassle.
there may not be a 'new owner' - considering that everything is still in her name. Would the new owner never have tried to insure it? Would the new owner owner have assumed there is no title? @@SmallSpoonBrigade
@@flychomperfly Lot's of people go thru junkers like changing socks. They don't care about insurance or proper title. Buy it for nothing, Drive it for a short time and move on. Remember that it had a bad transmission so they probably just gave it a quick patch job and sent it on it's way.
@@TheCatherineCC That's just ignorant! Actually ANYWHERE this would just be a civil matter. If only you had the attention span to comprehend the video; it was already explained that the violation is called "Conversion", as it is in most states, which is a civil matter, not a criminal matter. I wouldn't expect you to know that, except he literally explained it in the video...
If she financed through the dealer, they probably held on to the title. When she stated the car is in her name, she was probably referring to the registration. Most people don't realize that has nothing to do with ownership.
Years ago a dealership let a buddy take a truck for a weekend test drive. He left his truck there. When he went back on monday they couldn't find his truck. The dealership sold it over the weekend so police were called. The cop told the GM of the dealership there will be a resolution or someone is going to jail. So my buddy got the new truck for what he still owed on the old truck. The GM took him into the office and had a drink with him. He had been in the industry for years and had never ever seen this.
@@Royalewithcheesee Not sure what you mean. When she brought the car in for service, of course she would had them the keys. But possession of the keys is not ownership of the car
I think it was a buy here, pay here, she hadn't paid it off maybe? I could be wrong though. Either way it is messed up. *Edit* Appears she did pay it off. Its weird all the way around anyway.
For a developed contry I find it really strange that houses, cars and other registered properties can be sold by strangers. I know stuff like this happening in countries like Bangladesh but in America? What next go to the hospital for treatment only to find half of your organs have been sold off?
@@guskinmaypho174 Yeah if that owner gets Felony stopped and messes up moving a little bit and gets killed then the person that reported the felony is probably on the line for some type of man slaughter. You know the other owner didn't have any intent in stealing it so bumping it up to a felony situation is reckless endangerment at the very least.
Same thing happened to my neighbor in Ohio in the early 90's. Took his brand new S10 back to the dealership for some detailing and aftermarket parts installed. He owned it for 4 days. When he went back to pick it up the next day, he found out it was in the process of being sold to another person at that very moment. It took 4 hours ish to get it cleared up and to get his keys back.....Have to assume it happens more than we hear.
My grandfather ran an auto repair business in Louisiana a long time ago. He's long since passed away now. He took ownership of cars because people didn't want to pay for the repairs or it was too expensive to repair and just left it there. He waited the time, did the contact, and eventually had them declared them abandoned just to get rid of them from the property.
I would pay 5k for many cars from the early 2000s. The 99 Silverado is worth 10k because they are great trucks. Sounds like you don't know very much about cars.
@@RipliWitani a 99 silverudy is not worth 10k. 😂 MAYBE 5k max. Just because some idiot will pay it doesn’t mean it’s worth it. A 2br in Cali will sell for over a million, doesn’t mean it’s actually worth it.
@@TheCatherineCC Other than the cesspool some people call Memphis, and the becoming a cesspool of Nashville, yes Tennessee cops actually enforce the law. Except, as the video specifically pointed out, the police would not be able to do anything because this is "Conversion" not theft.
Hi Steve sounds like you need to register for the bar in federal courts and then you could do these juicier cases when ever you want a good fun case to try
I can't even comprehend how this wasn't an immediate slam-dunk against the Dealership. And you pointed it out: How the hell did they SELL a car they DID NOT have the Title for?. Just stunning. My feeling, that Car dealership is due some Viral Attention on Social Media. Until they FULLY rectify the issue with their customer they ripped off. And that means, if "conversion" penalties apply in TN the way you think (maybe) they might, it's THOSE penalties. Not the value of the Car as purchased. Because the Dealership clearly engaged in criminal behavior. So, (IMO of course), it needs to sting hard enough to wake them up.
Probably something more along the lines of the call early to make sure they had it, they say they're kind of backed up and will call when it's finished. A bit over a week later, that's when you get nervous about it. Or it's something like, well, I had a trip planned, and came home with no messages about it and nothing on the cell for the time away before calling in. My family has done that a few times when work needs some time and we have plans, I did it a couple times when I had work trips and something that could be done, but I arranged to have it done while I was gone because I wouldn't need it while I was gone and it meant I wasn't without a car when I had work
12:00 but Steve if the car dealership is the lender, until the vehicle is paid off the lender has the title (due to the lean). So unless she paid off the vehicle, she wouldn't receive the title from the lean holder.
Gotta love the system we live under where someone can sell something legally registered in another person's name....and get away with it.... requiring the RIGHTFUL owner to have to spend time and money to find justice....a lawsuit should NOT be needed here....a system that doesn't allow somebody to sell something that doesn't belong to them.... SHOULD in fact...NOT ALLOW them to do it PERIOD.
Pretty sure thus video, including almost every comment besides yours, describes alk the reasons why your comment is a pretty ridiculous statement. If it's being investigated, it absolutely means it's not "ok".😂😂
The customer will be receiving a new vehicle, because the law requires replacement of equivalent replacement value. Since a 2005 is literally impossible to replace with a 2005 of identical value ...
They'll probably use the NADA value. She'll learn that the price she paid was probagly 3x to 4x the NADA retail price but the dealershikp will insist on the NADA wholesale prioce for restitution.
I sold my car to a mechanic because the repairs were more than the car was worth it to me and I was in a time crunch. My registration was in my home state. The dude took forever to get that paper from me because he didn't want to pay for a notary in my local area and I wasn't going to drive back to vegas just to make his life easier.
I thoroughly enjoy your show. I've watched every single one for years and have gained much knowledge from your reporting and also your rambling. By the way, never stop rambling. I thank you for putting such time and effort into each episode. keep it up, your faithful follower.
Who stole it? The dealership, no she willingly took it to them. The person who bought the car, no they payed for it. Not saying something shady didn't happen, I just don't see how you could get stolen car to apply to the situatio.
@@leothenomad5675 Yes the dealership... Leaving it there for them to work on is not permission for them to sell it. Wtf is wrong with you people. Are public schools really that bad?
@@Kain9407 It's not the schools (although many are very bad) it's the parents who don't think they have any obligation to teach their kids anything-that's the schools' job.
And I find it unbeliveable it actually had less than 12000 miles on it. So they sold her a bogus warantee as well. Unless it was 12000 over what was already on it.
@@DVankeuren No, that's incredibly normal. It's a 12k contract on the vehicle from the point of sale, not that the vehicle was warrantied until 12k miles. Manufacturer warranties are for x years/y mileage total and mostly apply to the car regardless of owner (buy a used vehicle with 30k miles, has a 60k mfr warranty, take it into dealership with mechanical/electric issues and it gets fixed), service contracts of whatever type are x miles from point of purchase and are a contract specific to the purchaser and have coverage outlined per the contract mostly through a third party service network (or specific to the shop that sold it.) What's bizarre to me is how she drove over 12k miles in 5 months. That's a hell of a lot. But maybe the family is using it for uber eats/door dash type work which would make sense given the financial details of the story. Nothing wrong with driving a vehicle you paid for, just that's so many miles quickly.
$5900 for a 2005 Ford Taurus is absolutely insane. My dad bought one brand new in 2005 for $12,000 since they had a few sitting they needed to get rid of. I’m honestly surprised there’s any still around on the road since they were junk cars after a few years. That should have been a $1000 used car from the start.
This is not a civil matter, a government that doesn't prosecute crimes is not a government. Theft is always a crime. Murder is always a crime. People have died over fried chicken, I'm just saying.
Theft IS always theft, and murder is always murder. However, not all homicide is murder, just like conversion is not theft. Take the time to educate yourself on the law and how it works. Crimes are not vague ideas, but extremely specific statutes. There are several forms of theft and conversion does not fit them; it is still a violation, but the recourse is civil because of the nature. That is why things like treble (triple) damages and legal fees can be included in cases like this; ultimately, she will get any attorney fees paid by the dealership, plus triple the money back! It makes it hurt businesses enough to really try not to, but not make a possible mistake of one worker thinking it was a trade in and selling it into a prison sentence.
If the dealership was also the lender, they probably still had the title. I bought a car from a dealership that did the financing, and I didn't get the title until the car was paid off.
“Buy here pay here” what could go wrong getting a loan backed by a used car dealer probably a month away from going under on any given day? I feel terrible for this poor woman.
This is a small independent "Buy Here, Pay Here" dealer. The type that sells crappy cars at way over market value and charge 30%+ interest. Many people default and the dealer takes the car and resells it. Some cars have been resold 15 times at other dealers.
Doesn't matter if she did or didn't own the title at the time and it was under the dealership instead, the dealership still broke several laws anyway by doing this as all she did was take it in for repairs even though the service warranty was no longer usable and she'd not missed any payments according to this news story which means they had zero legal right to actually do this (up to date payments do NOT give a dealership the right to sell the vehicle again as there's no financial issues that would ever warrant them doing this). Considering they also never even bothered to call her and ask if she was picking up the car, never notified her that they'd sold it until she asked where the hell did her car go and called the cops of the reporter instead of giving their version means they really DON'T want eyes on this and they know that they've really fucked up.
In Tennessee you can transfer a title without the owners signature. In college, I purchased a motorcycle from a man near Knoxville and the title doesn’t even have a spot for it. All I needed was the title and say “yea this is mine”. Absolutely wild. If it was financed then I’m assuming the dealership retained the title and it may not even have been in her name.
