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Dealing w/Poker Downswings: My Story And Advice 

Brad Owen
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@johnr1191
@johnr1191 6 лет назад
You’ve been running so bad I didn’t even skip the ad this time.
@BradOwenPoker
@BradOwenPoker 6 лет назад
Lol, I appreciate that
@SeanBenson23
@SeanBenson23 3 года назад
That’s hilarious
@namechange9470
@namechange9470 2 года назад
Lmao. 4 yrs later amd it's still a funny comment 😄
@jman2k0
@jman2k0 6 лет назад
"When it's not your day, it's not your day." Hardest lesson I've had to learn!
@tomsebourn1770
@tomsebourn1770 6 лет назад
Go to a card room that you rarely or have never played at. It gives you a fresh start mentally.
@teamcoleman7286
@teamcoleman7286 6 лет назад
Brad, so proud of you for laying it out there. By far my favorite vlog of yours yet. We can all relate to this and generally know what we should be doing but putting it all out there in one vlog is super helpful to a lot of people. I was trying to remember these things on my last trip to Vegas, which was kind of a bust...oh well. I know it'll come back around. I also appreciate that you stayed away from vlogging a bit when you were going through your rough February. Everyone has to have time for themselves. We want you to want to vlog, not be in the mindset of "I have to vlog" and I can imagine Feb. was that way for you. Bigger and brighter things ahead for you this year, Brad. So many good things happening and have fun in all your upcoming travels.
@mikethurston8041
@mikethurston8041 6 лет назад
On a 6k down SWING myself I decided to take a couple months off starting to feel better about my life thanks for the tips brad
@lorklorkman7937
@lorklorkman7937 5 лет назад
Do you play for a living? Or do you have a job?
@chatanakredyt
@chatanakredyt 3 года назад
6-10 BI "downswing" every year...this guy seems to have no idea what downswing is.
@pokerqAK47
@pokerqAK47 3 года назад
That is the definition of a downswing assuming we are talking about live
@thegodhead
@thegodhead 3 года назад
Even if you “play your best”, you’re still going to experience downswings. Ran into a few in my days. Just remember, “tilt is a poker players worst enemy”.
@MikeKendall
@MikeKendall 6 лет назад
Having a downswing myself. Thanks for the video!
@ryananderson4315
@ryananderson4315 6 лет назад
Same. Misery loves company.
@hotrodsather
@hotrodsather 6 лет назад
Both of you stop it right now!! before you also lose brads cat!!!
@WayneChiangPoker
@WayneChiangPoker 6 лет назад
"Awww Brad, she made off with your sheets. You know what gets me up when I'm feeling shitty? Rolled up aces over kings..."
@BradOwenPoker
@BradOwenPoker 6 лет назад
Is that right?
@besquirrell
@besquirrell 6 лет назад
Why is Wayne such a boss?
@zachchinn4608
@zachchinn4608 6 лет назад
Thanks for the encouraging video. It’s nice to see I’m not the only one. I’m a small stakes player($2-$2 PLO and $2-$5 NLH) I lost $10k in a 3 week span. It was the most nasty downswing of my poker life. I am just a rec player but still crushed my soul. Just recently am starting to get out of it. Thanks again for the video!
@jasonnelson5251
@jasonnelson5251 6 лет назад
Zach Chinn plo hella swingy so can happen
@FusionTechCinema
@FusionTechCinema 10 месяцев назад
@@jasonnelson5251Yea plo is more gamble. I would stay away from it
@newflover
@newflover 6 лет назад
Question I’ve always had, is there a amount of money you would be up too walk away no matter how long you have been playing? Just wondering why if say after a half hour your up $1000, why not get up and leave? I understand the principle of putting time in playing and how losses will average out with wins and such. However, I just think, you get up a certain amount, why not just leave? I know it’s probably a stupid question, but just curious. Thanks, was hoping to catch a MUGS game, but y’all gonna be in Canada when I’m in Vegas.
@LOLFLUSHDRAW
@LOLFLUSHDRAW 6 лет назад
Newf Lover ya it's a pretty stupid question
@chrisl8062
@chrisl8062 6 лет назад
If I buy in for $500 in 2/5 and if I'm up to a stack of $2000 (3 buy in profit) I will leave almost always UNLESS the table is extremely amazing, and I feel I can play deep stack well in that table dynamic etc, for example if I achieved this profit very fast (e.g, I made the 300 bb profit in 2-3 hours, and I came to play this poker session for 7 hours than I may continue but only in specific situations). Aswell, I will never play after I lose 3 buy in's, because I am aware that my strategy and gameplan will alter negatively once these things happen ( you could perhaps buy in once more if all 3 buy in's were lost to "flip situations" and not bad beats, and you can "shrug it off" if you lost these 3 buy in's in a quick manner, however I would be extremely cautious)
@teddypoopies
@teddypoopies 6 лет назад
You played for expected hourly rate, not for the $1000 upswing. Your logic also implies you're gonna keep playing to chase losses when you're on the adverse side of variance.
@newflover
@newflover 6 лет назад
Chris L Thanks, I am a rec player, just wondered about this. I appreciate the respectful response.
@newflover
@newflover 6 лет назад
Bubble Tea I understand, I would not chase losses. I guess if you won $1000 in an hour and left, what is the difference in winning $1000 and leaving in 8 hrs. I do get the hourly rate and the variance of losing sessions. Being I am just a rec player I only see the short game as it were, because I am not doing it for a living and my sessions are so small in comparison. Thanks for the response.
@Deo_on2
@Deo_on2 6 лет назад
The struggle is real for us all Brad...keep grinding
@jmbgouveia
@jmbgouveia 6 лет назад
thanks for the video.. poker is an evil game, that's why I will never play poker as a professional. I play twice a month and is enough to stress me out!.. hugs Brad
@BradOwenPoker
@BradOwenPoker 6 лет назад
Haha yeah, it can be brutal. Thanks Joao.
@angelfrench7882
@angelfrench7882 5 лет назад
Wanted to thank you for keeping it real. Started playing poker again more seriously last year and just went through my first downswing - took a little break to study and get my mind right. All of your video are extremely helpful, the content is solid, and you are hilarious! You're by far my favorite poker vlogging ;) Thanks Brad!
@WayneChiangPoker
@WayneChiangPoker 6 лет назад
cosmo :[
@the-chillian
@the-chillian 6 лет назад
#FreeCosmo
@MrPalmersquall
@MrPalmersquall 6 лет назад
8k downswing for a 2/5, 5/10 player is nothing, especially if you're playing deep stacked.
@BradOwenPoker
@BradOwenPoker 6 лет назад
Correct
@jasonnelson5251
@jasonnelson5251 6 лет назад
I would say far too many players play above their bankroll which makes down swings all the more painful.
@MrPalmersquall
@MrPalmersquall 6 лет назад
It's 8bi if your playing deep but he was playing 5/10 so it's even less since the max buy is 1500 at 5/10.
@aaronsoto4622
@aaronsoto4622 5 лет назад
If your buying in for anything over 500 then an 8k swing can definitely sound believable. My buys in are 300 and I've had 4k swings. Just takes 1 or 2 tilt sessions to be honest.
@MTGMitch
@MTGMitch 6 лет назад
Hi brad, im in a 1.5 buy in downswing at 1/2. gonna go up to 5/10 now to win it back! xTUNAx
@BradOwenPoker
@BradOwenPoker 6 лет назад
Smart
@Aggrollama
@Aggrollama 6 лет назад
alittle too small, consider playing at a 5/10/20 deepstacked table with 100bb
@MTGMitch
@MTGMitch 6 лет назад
true. at the 25/50 table now with my life savings on the felt. GL me
@Aggrollama
@Aggrollama 6 лет назад
wew you need to take it slow buddy. Dont move upstakes so fast unless you lose more, it will hurt your bankroll tremendously!
@jmbgouveia
@jmbgouveia 6 лет назад
you are right James loh!.. hugs
@l9cowey
@l9cowey 6 лет назад
Glad to hear you turned it around Brad. It’s also important for others to hear that variance is real and we all have to deal with it. Great vlog.
@BradOwenPoker
@BradOwenPoker 6 лет назад
Thanks Lee, hope to see you at the next MUG
@BlakelyPete
@BlakelyPete 6 лет назад
Good vlog. Tough stuff you are talking about here. Necessary.
@DrivenTrucking
@DrivenTrucking 2 года назад
The good ole days from Bradley, saw this day one. Hell of a ride my friend
@SoothSayer-7fu
@SoothSayer-7fu 8 месяцев назад
You had a downswing for only a month after the biggest upswing of your life and you're complaining about it ???
@1chance4life76
@1chance4life76 6 лет назад
but if you play on 1/2 ther isnt many smaller games to move down to you can really only adjust how much your buy in is and how many hours of play per session
@1chance4life76
@1chance4life76 6 лет назад
my way of thinking is if you lose at a certain stake you should stay at that stake until you book atleast a break even session even if you have to take a month or more off an have to rebuild a bank with another source if income
@Jokerizbadass
@Jokerizbadass 4 года назад
I always come back to this video when I'm running like shit lol.
@hartley3928
@hartley3928 6 лет назад
Trying to make poker my living. Grinding at 1/3. Profited 10k last month. Past week have lost 3k. Been absolutely brutal. Playing bad and getting unlucky. Starting to feel as if maybe last months 10k profit was just luck. Having 2nd thoughts about poker. But do not wanna go back to the 9 to 5. Thanks for this video.
@tomk1412
@tomk1412 6 лет назад
lol $10g in 1'3 lol you better move to vegas fast lol idiot
@sutkos3288
@sutkos3288 Год назад
To me i would lose 2k one week and another week i would win back maybe extra 200 on top of that
@avib4073
@avib4073 6 лет назад
Tl;dr My strategies for combating my downswing, read 1-6 below, let me know what you think. Great vlog. Useful stuff. I was running horribly and playing suboptimally at times for a while (a month, I play about 12 hrs a week) and I took a step back and changed some things. I was getting set over setted, and very type of bad beat you could think of QQ all in pf against maniacs with 42 off and losing massive (2-5) pots. Some of these things I did to turn things around I agree are NOT recommended by pros and very unorthodox but they worked for me so far. Tell me what you guys think: 1. Buying in for no more than 100 BBs and moving down if games look better. You’d be surprised how big the pots get in 1-3 and how bad players are. 2. If I’m up a certain amount ie 1k after a few hours, just leave and book a win. If the tables amazing then play lockdown for a little while and if your stack starts to dwindle and you get cold, leave immediately. 3. Strategically show one card when winning hands at showdown when opponent folds. Ie repping a missed flush draw when you back into a straight. 4. Understanding the crucial difference between when you need to pot control vs protect your hand. THIS WILL CHANGE YOUR GAME FOREVER IN NLH. People unnecessarily lose stacks with top pair type hands. 5. In Home games or where they allow it, do business and do twice is mean if you’re way ahead. This is pretty advanced, basically the opposite of twice is nice and almost assures you scoop or win 2/3 when ahead. 6. Don’t bluff early in sessions unless you need to. Bluffs usually don’t work out well esp against bad players and losing big to start a session can ruin your psyche. There’s some other really “advanced” or unorthodox things I’ve been doing and playing mostly 1-3 and 2-5 my hourly is at 70+ in a small sample of 35 hrs while not running great.
@teddypoopies
@teddypoopies 6 лет назад
Av B you sound like a mental game fish
@HipsterDoofus100
@HipsterDoofus100 6 лет назад
Step 7. Get a real career
@jamesevans2507
@jamesevans2507 6 лет назад
"dont bluff early in a session" lulz
@emilecarette8993
@emilecarette8993 6 лет назад
35 hrs is literally peanuts, you are obv running good
@avib4073
@avib4073 6 лет назад
12 hrs a week is clearly just a hobby I take seriously. I hope this helps people out. Number 4 is a game changer and will affect your win rate DRASTICALLY.
@PacMan2244
@PacMan2244 6 лет назад
When I start running below Expected Value due to some bad beats, I go back and calculate what my stack would have been if I had gotten average luck, so AA vs KK I get ~80% of the pot even though they sucked out and I got 0%. When I run above EV, I just celebrate my good fortune!
@DanAxelsen
@DanAxelsen 6 лет назад
Thanks! This vlog topic hit me just at the right time. I’ve been on a 6 session cooler which I’m sure most would say that’s nothing but I’ve not had more that 2 back to back losing sessions in recent memory. I’m in Arizona and only play low stakes 1-2 spread limit games (max bet is $100). The money I have lost has been poker winnings but I still hate to lose and I have really been wondering what’s wrong with me and my game. Just like you said I get stuck maybe a bit tilted, want to get unstuck so I open my range, play more hands and don’t get out soon enough even when I see the hand is going bad....then that forces a bluff to try and survive.....which in turn doesn’t usually work well. I’m going to take a break, read the suggested books and try and get my mind right and slowly get the $$ back. Thanks for sharing.
@SmileyandFrowney
@SmileyandFrowney 4 года назад
The worst is when you work your stack back up to break even, or an actual profit, then lose it again.
@drewfausett5388
@drewfausett5388 6 лет назад
This is a super well thought out and mature look at a downswing. i'm not a professional, but i do take poker as an extremely serious hobby. i too have been getting murdered a bit lately, and have struggled to classify it as a downswing, but that's what it is. i know that Variance is the enemy here sometimes, but i struggle to find ways to not blame myself in moments like these. leading up to this downswing, i'd been on a nearly 2 year uptick. (for a guy that plays 20-30 sessions a year) so. i've been beating myself up pretty badly over this. Thanks for the advice, and for talking it through in a really great way. thanks again for being open, honest, and real w/ us.
@williamr4053
@williamr4053 6 лет назад
Downswings stink, because poker is an ego game. No matter how you slice it, within reason, we all think we're better than the people around us at the table. Sure, you'll play with people where it's a hobby for them and they just want to get out of the house. I think for the majority, we want to make money or cash in a big tournament. I had a monster downswing in April that really disrupted how I played. I went from playing 30-40 hours/week to about 4-6 hours/week. My main goal was to make on average $100/week for 52 weeks and I was on pace to exceed it and then I wasn't. Now I'm on pace to make $50/week for 52 weeks. I started to see-saw and the endless poker became a drag when it wasn't my primary income. The best month I've had since the downswing in April was $850 in a night in September, but then gave back $350 at the end of the month, due to getting cooler'd a couple of hands. We all have to figure out how to play through those hands where you get in good and someone else gets it in a little bit better. For me, I keep a mental note of how my hands are looking. What's been winning lately? Is it sets, boats, 2 pair? Or is it straights, flushes, gut shots, or gapped hands where I flop the straight with a flush redraw. What wins weekly or monthly is constantly in rotation. For a while AQ was my unbeatable hand, then it morphed into 10/8, then it morphed into QQ, then KK, then Q9. So I'm always tracking what's my hand of the week or month.
@mikeatgoogle501
@mikeatgoogle501 6 лет назад
The types of players at your table is the most important factor to consider whether you should choose to play with and how to play against them.
@mbenrique1990
@mbenrique1990 6 лет назад
Mr. Brad Owen!!! I wanted to say thank you. I went on a long break of not playing poker due to not playing at an experienced level. I went into training videos and watched your videos endlessly until I felt confident enough to go back. I learned an enormous amount. The last 4 trips I've gone to play in this past month I've won over $1,900.00 including my very first, first place tournament win with a field of 52 players taking $1,000. If it wasn't for your videos I would have never went back to the tables to excel at a better level of playing. I will continue to watch your videos and wish you the bestest of luck!!!
@rawrizord
@rawrizord Год назад
I know it's late but congratulations! I've just started playing tournaments myself so I know how tough they can be compared to cash games, totally different beasts. Run good, man.
@rolo4816
@rolo4816 2 года назад
This downswing I’m on right now is insane literally seems like I can’t hit a hand right now lol. Before this past month I’ve been profitable just a tiny bit mainly because I like to play big variance. But this past month has been brutal I’ve been changing my game and trying to take a lot of the variance out of it but it’s still killing me. Every hand seems to kill me I’ve had pocket kings like 15 times in this downswing and been cracked everytime. I only play 1/2 and one of the time was a 1600 dollar pot preflop vs 88 against a player that was insanely drunk and just kept getting lucky all night vs everyone… I’ve decided that I’m gonna take a few month break, I play poker for fun and at this point it’s not even fun anymore which is why I’m taking the break.
@rolo4816
@rolo4816 2 года назад
Lmaoooo update decided I was playing pretty well and just getting pretty unlucky so decided to go back . Played at a pretty good table for 1/2 action wise got in a few buy in pot on the flop with JJ vs ATo on a rainbow board of 10 9 8 figured he was semi bluffing and call it off and he rivers a ace lol. Definitely need to just take a break at this point lol. No point of punting off my whole bankroll when I’m definitely a little tilted. I feel like I played pretty good today and just continued to get ran out on at this point I think I just need a break from poker I don’t play for a living I have a decently paying job that luckily allows me to afford the loses for the last few while but it just isn’t making me happy playing anymore
@Jayhavens1
@Jayhavens1 6 лет назад
..........great stuff, but Brad, you just need a new girlfriend. And yes, everybody misses Cosmo - so keep a picture of him on your desk but please get a new girlfriend.
@barthk3640
@barthk3640 6 лет назад
Thanks for sharing. One of your best vlogs. All these things seem so simple and basic. But it's so easy to forget them, when you're in the middle of it. I'm also just coming out of a rough Feb downswing. After a great beginning of the year. Great to see you back on the up! Sorry to hear about your personal stuff. Hope cosmo's good.
@camylrobaina8188
@camylrobaina8188 5 лет назад
Hey brad going through a downswing. Im selling my cat
@anthonycarchidi578
@anthonycarchidi578 6 лет назад
I heard that if you can't beat poker anymore (or never could) and you live in Las Vegas, you can actually just walk up and down the strip selling hats and that will fix everything.😜. Better luck buddy. Another great Vlog !
@anthonycarchidi578
@anthonycarchidi578 6 лет назад
Tom K trolling trooper you idiot. I would never dis Brad Love his vlogs Been a fan since day 1 Mind your own business clown
@SubtleSerpent
@SubtleSerpent 6 лет назад
"Bitches ain't shit but tricks and hoes" - Dr. Dre
@StreetPiratesTV
@StreetPiratesTV 3 года назад
Thanks for this. I was close to giving up on everything. I bought in at a 1/2 table for $100 and in 3 hours made $864 ($764 profit) and it was great. Went back next day, lost 300. No big deal. Next day, broke even. Now after a few days I'm at -$1000 and it just feels unreal. Like, I'm losing to garbage players, garbage hands. Its just sick. I don't know when it will end but I hope it's soon. Thanks brad. 🤘🏻
@appleby1878
@appleby1878 6 лет назад
Awesome video Brad - maybe one of the best 'Poker Vlogs' yet in terms of real talk.
@willinnewhaven3285
@willinnewhaven3285 5 лет назад
Mike Cairo on the subject: "You are always even. You have the amount of money that you have. No future decisions should be driven by being 'stuck' or 'up" Aside from making sure you have enough chips on the table, I think people put too much emphasis on where they stand in the session. Also, February is always a bad idea. Just crawl in a hole.
@kenward8958
@kenward8958 6 лет назад
Loved this video brad. One of the reasons that I believe you're my favorite vlogger is because of how you think about the game. We may play different styles, but the basics of the game remain the same between us. You also help validate some of my thinking about the game and the ways in which you manage your tilt. Keep it up, hope to play with you the next time I'm in Vegas
@jthejeweler85
@jthejeweler85 6 лет назад
Brad, 14 months ago I went on the worst downswing of my life. Minus 23k in 37 days. I took off from poker for almost a whole year and studied the game every single day. Since coming back 4 months ago I've won the most money of my life in Holdem and PLO cash games.. Yes I've had a few losing sessions in the last 4 months but I'm still plus 36k. I think the break and me studying every day greatly improved my game and elevated it to a whole other level. Nice video. Keep your head up.
@sstheg
@sstheg 6 лет назад
First, I'm really sorry for the tough time U went thru. I miss Cosmo too ☹ I'm also going thru a downswing in my 2-5 game. I appreciate the videos from U, Andrew, etc. U guys really put a lot of good stuff. Also remember the acronym H.A.L.T. If U are... Hungry Angry Lonely or Tired U should NOT be playing.
@tmn67
@tmn67 Год назад
What bankroll tracker do you use?
@dmac3927
@dmac3927 6 лет назад
It’s the Red Rock curse. I started playing 2-5 there when they first opened and they would have 5-10 running pretty often too, not much now. When I started playing there everyone thought I was Moses, I was winning every single night for months, tipping the cashier $20 dollars almost nightly. Than it came to a screaming halt, I went probably 3 or 4 years just breaking even never having a decent month. Win $200 lose $200 win $300 lose $300 and so on.
@jntjhwang7848
@jntjhwang7848 6 лет назад
Hey Brad. i really enjoy watching your video, i think i am experiencing a really bad downswing starting from the beginning of the month. Whenever i had KK, the opponent had AA, beat by set over set, and flush over flush. But the real problem is my play is getting more passive and i couldnt maximize my profit.
@christianbache4074
@christianbache4074 6 лет назад
Excellent video Brad. I have to admit i have always liked your vlogs, but to a certain exctent. Can get the impression of it getting too polished and to the running good/winning every session kind of thing. I appreciate a down to earth video like this, where i as a viewer can get more nuances, and also that the vlogger shows some vulnerable sides of themself. Wich i believe we need more of in todays society, and for sure in the "glamourus" pokerworld as well. So yeah, big thumbs up man. Also want to mention one of my fav quotes by a famous pokerplayer (cant remember the name on the go here): "Before you can learn how to win, you have to learn how to lose". I think that is so true on so many levels.
@jamieprice8226
@jamieprice8226 6 лет назад
Currently in the biggest downswing of my career. Feels bad man. But this helps a lot. Thanks for keeping it real.
@jeffcruver5688
@jeffcruver5688 5 лет назад
That's what I'm currently going thru, lost another thousand yesterday. Cooler after cooler! It sucks big time.
@amdemik
@amdemik 6 лет назад
Keep it up man. I"m in middle of my downswing at the moment and get my ass kicked over and over. Just taking a break from cash games and playing tournaments only to minimize my losses.
@brettlott570
@brettlott570 6 лет назад
Thanks for this video Brad. I've been going through my downswing the past month or so with MTT and you gave me a few good tips on things because I've noticed arguments with the Wife over SMALL STUFF. LIFE'S TO SHORT TO BE MAD. THANKS AN GL
@iFr4ntiK
@iFr4ntiK 6 лет назад
Mad respect. Big big kudos for the honestly and objectivity. That is something 99.999% of people don’t have the capacity to do. On the content, thank you so much... I’m a “serious hobbyist” that plays poker and has no job lol so take that how you will but the content was very helpful to me. Enjoy all the vids, thanks again
@Deedjj84
@Deedjj84 3 года назад
Brad, This video is poignant and timely for me in my first real experience with a down swing. I'm 24-years old, and began cash games only in the last year. I started out well enough to consider myself the young pro, and local seniors of poker were appraising my plays. Then October hit. It has been eerie with fright, and I began to contemplate quitting. Thank you for the assurance that this shall pass! I would add, for anyone who sees this, that my experience shows that buying in for inconsistent amounts is not helpful. Starting in a tilt, or stacking enough to start as chip leader yield the same results when bad luck persists. From North Dakota, good luck on the felt! I'm eager to sit at a table with the vloggers whenever this pandemic subsides.
@acesup5452
@acesup5452 6 лет назад
Really appreciate the honesty Brad! I’m mostly a cash game player, (met you at a MUG recently) but anyway if I’m going through a downswing I try to remain positive which I know can be difficult, and do something different like buy in to a tournament with good value, since my tourney strategy is a little different than cash game play, it can help re-shift or re-focus my thought process. And usually it’s a smaller $ risk for a decent reward (if I cash or win, then it sure helps the confidence level as well). Not sure taking a break all together is the best thing for me - - the cards don’t know you’re running bad. Definitely agree with booking small wins to “recoup”!! Keep grinding! 😎
@user-mb1bi6vs4y
@user-mb1bi6vs4y 6 лет назад
Solid video. Thanks for the insight. I’m currently in a down swing and it stated when I was playing at your table in red rock when I lost w Kings to your buddy who drilled the nut flush on the flop to me. Hoping I can be out of the down swing soon !
@ilduce4721
@ilduce4721 6 лет назад
A good vid man. It really shows mindset is very important and personal problems are so bad for your game.
@BradOwenPoker
@BradOwenPoker 6 лет назад
That's a good message to take away from this. Thanks Jeroen.
@chancerobinson5112
@chancerobinson5112 6 лет назад
Few things more “tilting “ than you lose a big pot to someone with J/5 off suit....
@samkyra123
@samkyra123 6 лет назад
Off topic... Strat in the back ground? Assuming you play it would be cool to see you playing something in a future VLOG!!!!
@Arkanes_Ark
@Arkanes_Ark 2 года назад
Poker is based on statistics and percentages no matter how good you are. Based on experience, I've lost big pots due to people sucking out on me and I did everything right. It's a part of the game and most that leave or give up on Poker because they can't bounce back from down swings. For me personally, I bring only a set amount to a session one or twice every couple of months. If lose, no worries, if I win cool.
@rdsxfan2827
@rdsxfan2827 6 лет назад
Great job laying out the various aspects of downswing. Downswing in combination with life volatility, must be the worse, but you are getting stronger mentally and will end up in a better place. Keep focused!
@jasonhounsell3297
@jasonhounsell3297 3 года назад
6 buy in swing once a year 😂 Run better Brad 😂 I can run KK into AA and have sets, straights and straight flush draws crushed in a single live session and that happens for a few days every fortnight 😂
@billanthony8230
@billanthony8230 6 лет назад
Hey Brad Thanks so much for uploading this video I know for me personally and for my poker friends you’ve been a source of inspiration. Keep doing what you’re doing cause you help people learn and appreciate poker! That being said I study psychology and I couldn’t help but notice that you said during your time of success you were filming a lot but when you stopped filming the winnings dropped off and as a result poker wasn’t as fun to play. Understandably so. Id suggest filming again!... As you say - it’s distracting (that’s the reason you stopped in the first place) but nobody can deny that for whichever reason it seemed to help you win games of poker. Who knows, the success could be be due to the fact that you made better decisions while being distracted filming, bought about by less time/attention spent underthinking/overthinking hands and more time trusting your instincts. Give it a try, see how you go with it. Best of luck to you Bill
@user-ld3si9iy6s
@user-ld3si9iy6s 6 лет назад
Getting punished the past few days so this was actually nice to watch. Sometimes when I'm downswinging really bad I just go on full on life tilt and nothing makes me happy. It is nice to know others go through it.
@BradOwenPoker
@BradOwenPoker 6 лет назад
I hope all your flops are... good.
@RodJeez
@RodJeez 2 года назад
What's the 3 year update?
@user-ld3si9iy6s
@user-ld3si9iy6s 2 года назад
@@RodJeez Have played full time online cash since & got to the highest stakes available in the USA :) !
@pocketqqueens
@pocketqqueens 6 лет назад
Thanks for the vlog and the sincerity of telling us about your run bad in poker and life. I love the vlog, love hearing from you. Keep up the run good. Take care.
@bennyc2244
@bennyc2244 6 лет назад
This was a great Vlog to watch after a day of run-bad. This Vlog gave me the right mind set to learn and not beat my self up. Had broadway and the nut flush draw and villain sucks out with full house on the river. My aces were busted by villain calling my opening pre-flop with 64 off. Thank you for your insight brad
@williamr4053
@williamr4053 6 лет назад
I play with players like that too. The key to those players is, they typically have a deeper stack of cash in their pocket and like to catch up in hands. They're not poker players who typically like favored hands preflop. They like the 64 off, the 73 off, and all the gapper hands like 35, 75, 108, and so on. They like the hands that can be easily disguised behind someone preflop raising to $50 or $100 and then they smooth call. They already know they're likely behind, but their poker game is to catch up on the flop or hit those limited outs on the river, which typically guarantees a big payoff for them, because they're playing for the river, not always the flop or turn.
@gsnebawaki6690
@gsnebawaki6690 6 лет назад
Hang in there Brad - you are a great player and I've been following since the beginning and I appreciate your candor and insight to playing poker! You and Andrew have really helped my game - thanks!!!
@Platopoker
@Platopoker 6 лет назад
This is truly one of the best videos about poker downswings that I have seen on RU-vid. The in session mental checks is something I have been doing for awhile now and it has been super helpful. Some other things that have helped me that weren't mentioned are exercise regularly, eat healthy, meditate, and write down 3 things you are grateful for everyday. These tips are not only helpful in poker but also life in general. Thanks for the great video Brad!
@BradOwenPoker
@BradOwenPoker 6 лет назад
Thanks Larry! Good additions.
@kmsnow6292
@kmsnow6292 6 лет назад
The best thing I got out of the Rounders movie is when Matt Damon says "why swim in the same tank with the other piranha?". You mentioned that too in this video "don't play when there are a good number of regs in your table". I don't buy it when other people say you can't really learn nor improve much unless you play with these top players in your area. There are plenty of different ways to learn, RU-vid video being just one. Our biggest objective should be to hunt down the "fish" (not piranha :) and take their money.
@gavinasaurus
@gavinasaurus 6 лет назад
The thing about rounders is its a movie that was made a long time ago. Now days theres far more pros and regs especially the higher the stakes you move up. It can be hard to make a really good living playing lower stakes games even if all the players are bad because they don't usually have the same type of money. So thats why people say sometimes you have to play with the best. Most line ups i've played at 5/10+ are usually 80% pros and 20% fish. Unfortunately you just have to tangle with the good players and if you aren't experienced enough playing with the best players in that area then you are just going to end up being one of the fish at that table. You can study all day long but if you aren't playing in games where you are applying all the more advanced stuff then you really aren't going to gain much from it.
@kmsnow6292
@kmsnow6292 6 лет назад
My comments fall under the "how to avoid the down swings" in this video. I think it has more to do with risk/award and variances. I've played NLH at 1/3, 2/5 and 5/10 levels (with most hours spent on 2/5) and I'd pick the game on a certain day based on who are playing at the tables (granted, I probably know more than half the poker players in my city given how long I've been playing this). My thinking is if I can come out with a W playing with people I can easy exploit (using half of my brain power per se) versus playing with the guys that I can typically only beat when they have a good hand and I have a better hand, i.e. 2 pairs versus a set, then it's an easy choice to pick. In short, I think this is very much a personal preference. It all comes down to how much winning per month you feel is enough for your living, then gauge that against the level of risk/difficulty you have to face in the game to achieve that goal.
@bstafford11
@bstafford11 6 лет назад
Great stuff here Brad. Your humility will serve you well in the future. Bookmarked this blog for immediate review during my next inevitable downswing
@BradOwenPoker
@BradOwenPoker 6 лет назад
Thanks Brian. Hope you don't need to review this video for a long time.
@andrewburgess24
@andrewburgess24 6 лет назад
Dwight Schrute bobble head for the win!
@adamshapiro7816
@adamshapiro7816 6 лет назад
Great stuff Brad. Not the easiest to share your bad stuff, I'm sure.
@russian007royal
@russian007royal 6 лет назад
Brad, fan from when u had 1k, subs. Dude one of ur best vids yet! Props to u and thru everything u went thru. WIsh only the best and to possibly winning a bracelet this summer? who knows.! Cheers my brother
@BradOwenPoker
@BradOwenPoker 6 лет назад
Haha, thanks Alex. Good luck to you man.
@defunctbooks
@defunctbooks 6 лет назад
I really like the alarms idea, as often I'll tell myself to play a short session and find myself forgetting to leave, etc.
@williamr4053
@williamr4053 6 лет назад
Most casinos I've played at, if you're up in chips and you play for an hour, no one is going to look at you as a hit and run player.
@tipsy09
@tipsy09 3 года назад
i'm on a 30buyin downswing and have been getting extremely unlucky by donkeys on pokerstars. what to do? im to the point now where i truly believe my account was red flagged a few years ago for saying some offensive things in the comments and i was banned from comments for a short period. i tried to stay away during the pandemic but last month i decided to try and give online poker a go again and have 100buyins aside for 5c/10c. as usual on pokerstars, i've noticed for many years, that whenever i deposit money i go on a sharp upswing online to go on a severe downswing, even out, and proceed to get coolered out the rest of the way. this has been happening again. in the past month and a bit i've played 40k hands and am now down 30 buyins. i put in 10 buyins and it happened. deposit another 10 buyins and it happened again. rinse repeat. i lose all in pot like no tomorrow. i do well live 1-3 and i am getting slaughtered by all in pots and coolers against donkeys on stars. raise utg KK, sb 3bets with Q3o, i shove 100bb, he TANK CALLS, flops a Q, he has 5 outs, turn is a 3 to flush, i obviously have a bigger flush, he hits a 3 outer on the river i'm down 30 buyins but i had 40 on there before i said fuck it. im going to play .25/.50 for the rest of my money im done with this bullshit. i make $10more then get in a hand with AKs against AQo, i raise and call the guy next door's 3bet, it goes check call, turn i check he bets $11 i raise to $22, i also now have the backdoor flush draw also...this moron ships it allin, we both have TPTK but i have him OUTKICKED AND A TURNED FLUSH DRAW NOW, we're all in for $100 now, the turn is a fucken offsuit Q for a 2 outer and i was in absolute shock. i;ve stopped playing online poker now before i read something abouy how this is possibly normal i read on twoplustwo that you should be in a AA vs KK situation about once every thousand hands. i've had AA vs KK once and KK vs AA 6 times in 40k hands AND LOST THEM ALL i've had QQ vs AA/KK 6 times and LOST THEM ALL i truly believe they red flagged my account at this point or the rng is rigged to benefit fish a little so that they stick around and the games dont die so pokerstars can keep getting rake
@SilencerXLR8
@SilencerXLR8 Год назад
Been in a down swing since 2 days before my bday just last night I pre flop raised A5 suited in a 4 way pot. 2 guys had J9 off suit one guy had kingx off suit. Got to the river with pair of 5 the king guy was dead and the two guys with J9 both got 9 pair. It was in that moment I knew downswings are not a joke. I had been table captain of every table I played for 2 weeks straight the only difference on each table was how long it took me to get to captain status and now I'm loosing 2 buyins every. Freaking. Night it seems.😤I know it's gonna end but when. Feels bad guys 😢
@benjaminlatham6669
@benjaminlatham6669 2 года назад
For months now, I am being constantly outdrawn and coolered. All formats, live online...it's becoming quite distressing. Cant hit a draw to save my life, if I ever bluff, they've always got something to call or raise with. Just sit there card dead for extremely long periods of time, only to finally make a hand but always second best. Almost at the stage of quitting poker, it's killing the the love of the game for me.
@jaybingham3711
@jaybingham3711 5 лет назад
Even deciding to include a segment titled "How to avoid downswings" is problematic. Even though you qualified it with a comment of "you'll never be able to avoid them completely" just having the thought that they're in any way avoidable is unrealistic and, more importantly, unhealthy. If you are going to play poker for a considerable amount of time, you WILL have MULTIPLE downswings. Unfortunately, there are way too many poker players who believe increasing their skills (studying) will affect the way the cards hit the felt. When put this way, it sounds ridiculous...because it is. Rather than thinking you have to subdue luck, a better idea is to accept it. And better yet...embrace it. Know it's coming. Welcome it when it arrives. Be curious about it instead of agitated. Don't demand that it end sooner rather later. If someone doesn't experience a downswing, then they have not really experienced poker. No one is immune from it except someone who decides to start their career and retire after the first session that nets them a return on their bankroll.
@scorpion407
@scorpion407 2 года назад
I know this video is so old that I probably won't get an answer but still I am gonna try. My problem is not that I am tilted or start playing differently. The problem however is that I lost like my whole bankroll only from bad beats. Every single hand I was the favorite with equity 80% or more and still lost it. The question is when is the end of the fuckin downswing. Some poker pros say that it can last for months. Well my downswing lasted only a day and my bankroll is gone. How the hell do you survive months of it?
@jeffgraham5900
@jeffgraham5900 3 года назад
50 buying plus 6 months of expenses?? So let’s assume you do1000 as your buyins and you have expenses of 3k. So we are at 68k. Is that we a pro should have in their bank before they start playing? Then what reassess every 6 months... or 3 months? Or something else.
@titmusspaultpaul5
@titmusspaultpaul5 5 лет назад
Just wondering, what are your profits/ losses for a year (calender or month to year) ? Can you really make any real money considering the hours you put in and measured up against say, working a different job with those hours. Also, do you need to play at least a couple of the really big games per year (where you can win 100's of thousands or even millions). Just wondering anyway.... maybe a video on this subject would be interesting for everyone.... cheers.
@jimhammond6728
@jimhammond6728 6 лет назад
Bitches like winners bro...chicks are always about the bigger, better in Vegas...sorry you went through that...hope you've got some run good coming soon....
@jsmith816
@jsmith816 6 лет назад
All I can say is THANK YOU for this video. Your advice is greatly appreciated.
@BradOwenPoker
@BradOwenPoker 6 лет назад
I'm glad you like it. Thanks man.
@Pjay068
@Pjay068 Год назад
Going through a downswing at the moment. Ran easily the best I ever had before for about 2 and a half months and this month I am running just awful and playing so bad at times because of it. I play 1/3 at a local casino and this month is almost over and I have gone through my last months profit just about. Anyone have ideas on how long of a break to take for this.
@biggigmike3783
@biggigmike3783 4 года назад
Buyin is 500 for 1/3 in my local casino. So 500x50 is 25k. Means I shouldn't be playing 1/3 no limit.....
@Chuckyolson
@Chuckyolson 4 года назад
U talked about studying...Which website do u recommend? Other than poker websites what else do U recommend to get better??? Thanks in advance
@tubewayarmy2
@tubewayarmy2 Год назад
The trouble with playing lower is you run up against more 'bad' players who will go all-in with 75 off and hit some weird straight and take all your chips.
@moneymakerbanditsports8423
@moneymakerbanditsports8423 4 года назад
#MGTOW4LIFE
@marcelbergen3444
@marcelbergen3444 6 лет назад
Great video, thanks for sharing!
@1krazymofo180
@1krazymofo180 2 года назад
6-10 buyins... lol, I go on bigger swings then that? you can lose that in a day.... just from flips/suckouts alone
@razersedge2k974
@razersedge2k974 Год назад
Weird time to recommend this video considering what's happened lately. K 4 off man :( What is that guy thinking?
@DeathBySlushPuppy
@DeathBySlushPuppy 5 лет назад
Don't understand why your playing 4800 dollar pots when your winning for the previous 7 months was only 37k.
@egone61
@egone61 6 лет назад
Yo wtf. I missed a few of your vids. Did Cosmo die?
@egone61
@egone61 6 лет назад
Damn that's rough, but I'm glad he's ok
@mikehascats26
@mikehascats26 6 лет назад
what a bitch
@MrPuros
@MrPuros 3 года назад
I'm getting bad luck with the cards I play and I would win with all my folds...recognizable?
@jmc655
@jmc655 3 года назад
I wish I could say I was playing bad, instead I'm just getting cooler everytime in the biggest pots. All online.
@kingkooooong
@kingkooooong 3 года назад
My parents do not know I play poker for living, the reason why they don’t know is that they won’t understand. How and when did you share with your parents you playing poker for living?
@roleyondawrist3077
@roleyondawrist3077 3 года назад
The shitty thing about downswings is that it causes u to play bad . All of a sudden calling with 6 3 of clubs from the small blind sounds like a good idea when the person who stacked u raises pre
@amieliyahu3404
@amieliyahu3404 6 лет назад
Hi brad. Love your vlog man. I asked you in some of your previous videos but i guess u were too busy to go to videos from more than 7 months ago lol How did you start playing poker? How did you build your bankroll? I mean .. from the 1st video you were always playing 2-5 and 5-10 , you need a bankroll for that. Care to share some of your pre - poker job \ occupation ? Or how you started playing prof in general? Thank you :)
@BradOwenPoker
@BradOwenPoker 6 лет назад
I talk about a lot of that stuff in these two places: offthefelt.com/forums/topic/my-story-and-advice/ www.upswingpoker.com/brad-owen-poker-vlog-interview/ It's a good subject to make a full video on at some point though and I definitely want to do it as soon as I've got some time.
@amieliyahu3404
@amieliyahu3404 6 лет назад
Brad Owen I'll check it out. Thx man
@creeperrob1
@creeperrob1 6 лет назад
Way to go good and educational video
@pokerqAK47
@pokerqAK47 4 года назад
Aces vs Kings??? Try AA vs AKo. He shoved 1k on T8cc3 and runner runnered broadway.
@roberts6227
@roberts6227 6 лет назад
I'm glad you like the Dog Poker Photo/Painting. It looks good there! Take care! Bobby
@BradOwenPoker
@BradOwenPoker 6 лет назад
Haha thanks man. I think it's awesome. It's been making its way around.
@jasonnelson5251
@jasonnelson5251 6 лет назад
Brad you need to get Doug polk to come back to your place when you're getting the run bad.
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