DEAR LOGIC PRO 11 I Tried ABLETON LIVE 12 

Haha no problem. Thanks for sharing. The fact you’re still finding stuff makes me excited for the future also!

oh my goodness. This is proper mad scientist stuff and I love it 🙌

@@WhoIsAlexElliottonce you dive into the chain selector for instrument and effect racks everything kinda explodes. The possibilities with this daw are truly endless. Also, the drum rack has its own send/return inside of it, so you can do parallel compression, add reverb and all the stuff ON THE SAME CHANNEL, but in parallel. It’s nuts. Also, you can select individual samples out of a drum rack for side chain inputs!

@@jaredbobier2844 so much to learn!

Hahah 😅

Glad you enjoyed it! At first I thought it was too honest but hit upload anyways 😂

I don’t see myself leaving anytime soon. It’s the first time I feel like any thing I imagine is possible 🙌

That makes me really excited! 🙌🙌. I love DAW that keep on giving

Loving it 🙌

The horizontal work flow does take some getting used to. But I’m totally used to it now. It’s a really fun DAW. I still need to check out how fruity is these days

Sometimes the mix sounds better in ableton though, because of the process to make a mix happen.. so its a toss up.. HAVE FUN BRO.. you're not cheating on Logic.. lol

Haha. I’m not cheating right? I felt bad for a little bit

I’m excited to test it with my external gear and CV inputs with my moog synth also!

Logic does this now also. But in general drawing automation in ableton is way better!

It’s so intuitive. I also switched by accident. I was doing programming for a live show and needed to send some stuff to ableton so thought let me just get the trial and learn basic. Then I fell in love ❤️

Haha thanks. I’m really enjoying myself and so many people are mentioning bitwig!

💯🙌. You’re right about not dragging other daws down. And whatever works for the individual is the right one!

So I realised that about limiter. And I just keep it off the master of the season now until the end. Luckily most of my set up is Pulsar modular stuff which is running great latency wise.

​@@WhoIsAlexElliott What I meant is a little different. Let's say you have track with a pad sound and you use a linear phase Pro Q3, which introduces 116.1 ms of latency. Then you add a kickstart to duck it. This kickstart ducking will not be in synch to the rest of the project, but 116.s ms off. So the timing of the pad itself is correct, but the timing of the ducking is off. This is different from the way other DAWs like logic handle latency within the effect chain of a track. You can test this easily with the Pro Q3 in linear phase or any other effects that introduce additional latency (example all the Soundtoys, all Arturia FX, all UAD FX to name a few). Hope this made it clear :)

@@mingofaas5809 sorry yes it made sense to me. This latency issue is present even with the master limiter on the end of my chain because Elevates adds over 100ms of latency also. So I realised very quickly to use low latency stuff only and actually found myself just using the built in Abelton FX and really loving them! I think I’ll just have to go back to respecting mastering as a separate thing again. I like Ableton to run in a way where at any point I can play something in without latency.

It’s really puts others to shame. When it comes to features. You can tell the developers are passionate

Awsome thankyou for sharing this valuable information. And your sound design process is elite. Love it! I’ll check out “KIT by Fors” for sure! Regarding logic defo give it a go as I honestly know many daw and found them great for different things. Logic will be my go to for mixing and tracking large vocal sessions still.

I’ve been messing with this a lot to map my maschine to Abelton and it’s been super fun!

How ? 👀👀

​@@WhoIsAlexElliottDrag a clip from the time line onto a midi track, it will ask if you want to create the midi as harmony, drums, etc. It is ok for simple audio samples. Otherwise NeuralNote plugin gives you much more control to do the same thing.

When it says create midi as harmony what does that mean?. Will it try to break the chords into their seperate notes 😳😳

@@WhoIsAlexElliott it is auto settings for things like density, length, etc... try each option for what seems to work best and produces the midi you are looking for. However, I have often seen that it usually either creates way too many notes all the time or just isn't very useable as there are no options to customize the sensitivity. Maybe it works on some styles of music and not others better.

Ok will give it a a try none the less

Your a God send!

I’m a lot like you. Love playing with many DAWS for same reason. I make different styles in different things

The issue is it’s actually the mixing I do on my busses/groups and master busses so freezing is as much of an option. For now I’ve been just using stock ableton stuff way more and having fun! I reach for the built in saturator before anything else now 😅

This is exactly it. I feel like I’ve found the DaW I was always meant to use because it just CLICKS with me. For the first time I’m not fighting my brain. I’m just having this seamless flow of my brain to my arm to my daw to my speakers ❤️🙌

Thanks for your post. I posted a similar comment a few weeks ago and I got the usual replies that all DAWs sound the same (null tests prove it, blah blah blah). If I finish a song in Logic and post it to social media or wherever then 9/10 it will sound inferior in some way. If I do the same with Ableton then it just sounds better, almost professional, yet I've gone through exactly the same process. Logic is a hard DAW to work with in my opinion. I'm convinced it has something to do with transients. Logic seems to hide them where as Ableton makes them stand out from the get go.

I can say that the inbuilt quality of ableton stock plugs ins and general Creative use cases are way stronger than logics. If I was to mix a track exclusively with stock plug ins I think I’d be happier with my ableton results except for reverb because Space designer is so GOATED!

Ableton is like Iphone, charismatic, nothing else. The UI in Ableton is not ugly imo.

@@CommadBeatshay so I actually disagree. I’ve used studio one. Ableton. Logic. Fl studio and Pro and there are DEFINITELY things that each of them cannot do 😅

Yes I absolutely want that. It was like that before the recent update. And I much preferred it before! Thanks so much for this!

Bro just changed it now. Thankyou so much. Please Drop anymore tips you have for me!

I’m so nervous to try the track colour things incase it is messing with abelton code and I can’t undo it. Is it safe. It looks awsome … I saw with BIP that it didn’t work on certain versions of Ableton which made me nervous about the ongoing support for some of the Max4Live plugins in the future. Regarding Ableton yeah I’m absolutely loving it. Have to thank all yours and the communities comments for suggesting it to me!

@@WhoIsAlexElliott yeah, but its not like m4l changes ableton internal code. Its reads API from ableton instead. And yeah some of the m4l devices can crash ableton but I’m using all of those^^^^ and I have never crashed because of m4l in live 12… my ableton is crashing because I have like 150-200 tracks and 12 return tracks and not enough ram😵‍💫😵‍💫 But honestly live 12 feels much more stable than live 11

Ok I’ll give the colours one a try cause that feels like my vibe! 🙌

Ooooo so if I have an after touch keybboard I could map that?

@@WhoIsAlexElliott that's right, and you can even calibrate the response curve to your needs. It works a bit like the lfos but it's a midi effect so you have to place it before the synth or whathever, first thing in the chain

@@felixgarciaordonez9258 that’s crazy! 😅

😍😍😍🙌🙌🙌

Ableton push

It’s so expensive tho and doesn’t even come with proper ableton that’s a bit cheeky

Ooo that’s going to save so much time Thankyou 🙌🙌

I love jumping between DaW also. Like owning many cars 😂🙌 Ahh please share your vocal tracking tips. I tracked a song in it recently but I’m still quite slow.

Ah bro you’ve sold me. I love DAW’s so I’m keen to try them all! LUNA IS next! I used it few years back when it was new and the channel analogue mixer emulation was so good but there was a lot of missing basic things back then. Keen to see how it is now.

Yo I use Luna too for audio editing bro, it's dope! Everything is so easy. Idk why people ain't talking about it. I mostly use FL studio for cooking beats but when it comes to editing audio or mixing beats I go to LUNA. I got Ableton too which I'm about to start using the session mode for making beats to dive into another type of creativity

@@iceprada2 downloaded LUNA again yesterday and going to check it out! You all got me excited!

Funny enough I love the look. I love white background DaW with colourful clips 😍😍. It’s super powerful though I agree and looking forward to checking it out more!

I can see how this is TRUE! 🙌

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Oh it’s resizable. That’s a great idea! I’m nothing the sessions at all

Exact same issues I’ve had. Completely relate 😔

It’s funny I use to hate the look but it also grew on me. Stability wise I’ve only ever used 12 and it hasn’t crashed once yet. Also “Collect all and Save” is your friend. It’ll keep all things from session in one place when you hit save. But either way it’s great you found something that works for you!

as another long time Reason user I have to say I am on the edge of changing daw, I am having so many hard /soft crashes it is infuriating I am someone who ends up having big projects and I think Reason really cant handle that side of things, once the project starts to get big the program starts acting up on me, the vst performance is lagging behind other daws as well because they took so long to go VST

I haven’t used reason rears. It was the DAW I used after fruity loops manny years ago. It couldn’t do vocals back then 😅😅. Can imagine it’s come far but unfortunate to hear about the crashing

the look is one of its main benefits: it doesn't drastically change for the sake of change over time like other pragrams, doesn't have BS colors and animations and gradients to distract, and focuses on what matters!

@@foljs5858🙌🙌

hate to admit cause I’ve used logic for nearly 2 decades but. FACTS!

EDM and hip hop But if you go through the Spotify top 50 Pro Tools and Logic

I kind of view things differently. I pay attention to my favourite productions and producers and look at what they use 👌.

@@WhoIsAlexElliott that’s where my boys at

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Try it out. It’s been super fun for me. 12 is my first intro to ableton so I think a lot of the features have made it easier for me!

This thing already sounds crazy haha. Will check it out!

Ooo what’s the envelope follower. I saw it but couldn’t figure it out?

​@@WhoIsAlexElliott it takes the input you assign and creates an envelope that can then be used to modulate parameters of other effects. For example; you can place the envelope follower on a hi hat track and then map the envelope it creates to modulate any parameter of any other effect on a different track. The parameter you assign it to will now modulate based on the exact groove and dynamics of the hi hat in real time. Super dope and powerful tool.

@@nckcn4923 OHHH MY GOSH! I’m about to go crazy with that one then 😂😂😂💯🙌

It's crazy bro, basically exactly what you used the LFO for, just using the other elements in the beat as a source. Would love a video showing a full beat being made in ableton!

That’s got me super excited. And I think I’ll be making stuff in ableton a lot so a video will come up for sure!

Love bro 💯❤️. Having too much fun here

I own Logic Pro 11 latest version unfortunately. And it’s not just me but several people who still and have always had this issue. But no other daw has the issue. It’s been going on for over a decade and still not fixed. It may be to do with running sounds if external Hardrive. But all other DAW are fine with this as it abelton as demonstrated in the video 😔

@@WhoIsAlexElliott That's odd indeed, I just made the test with an external drive (ORICO M.2 NVMe SSD Enclosure USB-C Adapter 10Gbps with a Crucial P1 CT1000P1SSD8 1TB Internal SSD >> Works also just fine on my M1 >> Probably (how Logic manages) bandwidth related issue..Maybe this can help other users who are having the same issue...

Got you. Makes sense that n NVME SSD wouldn’t have any issues at 10GBs hahaha. But majority aren’t as blessed 😂🙌

Haha never knew it was called live. But that makes sense cause ableton is the company who also make push and max for live etc 😅🙌. It seems I had the same journey as you. Whenever I tried it, it just seemed awkward but whatever they have done since that version I tired years ago has made it so much easier for me. I think the version ableton of I saw years back could hardly record vocals and had no take folders! 🙈🙈

Haha wonderful. Give it a go!

It isn’t true. It just requires and understanding of clipping. I did a video touching on clipping the low end on my channel. Video link: How To Get Insane Bass: Pulsar Modular P44 Magnum: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uHn7_NjjUo8.html Also if you want the fruit clipper sound then get “Orange Clip” www.schwabedigital.com/ Many people will try to convince you otherwise but it’s not true. The major FL studio producers send their stems to mix engineers who then go and use pro tools. But the main aggressive sound is from the clipper which has been recreated in that product. Make sure your Ableton sampler is set to the highest quality setting so your drums don’t loose quality. Decap did a video on it. Video link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-h4T5X29-UF8.htmlfeature=shared Skrillex has some of the best mixes you’ll ever hear. All done in Ableton.

They didn’t properly. I’m using the latest version of 11. As are my piers and many of us having the exact same issue as demonstrated in the video, as are many people in the comments👌. A factor seems to be running sounds of an external hardive which is not an excuse cause as stated in the video no other DAW has this issue! 😅🙈

It’s not for everyone. But I’m so glad I gave it a chance.

😂😂😂😂😂 this is too funny. Someone should make a skit about this

@@WhoIsAlexElliott 😄

I might do it haha

Oofff maybe logic gets taken out by LUNA. Cause I own 90% of UaD plugins and own Luna haha

@@WhoIsAlexElliott lol. I still love and use logic but some of the things it does and doesn't do are inexcusable to me at this point especially it being an apple developed program. LP11 for me is very disappointing as a big number upgrade. I was expecting big quality of life enhancements. It's a beautifully looking program but under the hood it seems so archaic. Logic may need to be rebuilt from the ground up the same way FCPX was 🤷🏾‍♂

will take a few years for Luna to get on par

Logic 11 was not a full upgrade. I agree. It was an incremental one not a full number upgrade!

My main gripe with Luna is no custom shortcuts.

Your template isn’t intense as mine if you never get 70% 😅. I use the highest oversampling setting on most of my buss processing stuff. Clipping & limiters on x32 oversampling etc

What’s your buffer rate? For a direct comparison ensure that your buffer rate is set to the same as Logic.

@@ChrisLaupama yes the buffers are set the same. The two DAW just handle multi core performance different. I noticed with ableton when you bypass a plugin the latency is still there so maybe it works on a basis where it doesn’t relieve CPU load for bypassed plugins.

Love hearing all the people using reason. That was the second daw I ever used. Have tried it since 2007 😅. Keen to see how it is these days

It really is. I couldn’t even add all things into the video!

Until u wanna be on your Jaycen Joshua shit and only get 12 sends 😭

AND there's two ways to do it. As chains or Returns/sends. I do chains on individual tracks and returns for multiple tracks. You kinda have to group them and create chains because you only get a Dry Wet knob rather than a mix knob.

So I actually found a way around this for parralell stuff. I just create an audio channel with the parralell fx and set the input to be whatever channel like drums etc. and then I set that channel to input monitor always on and just use the gain to blend it 🙌. This way only delays and reverbs are on sends. And I don’t ever have more than 12 delays or reverbs

@@WhoIsAlexElliott Group your effect, create a new chain label that dry and just keep stacking FX in parallel. Blend in to taste.

Very solid point. I make music that suits Abelton very well! And yes I use an external Hardrive always so when I upgrade my computer all my sounds/files/personal instruments and settings are located in the exact same place.

would you stay on Ableton ?

Studio one was my true love. But since FENDER bought them I didn’t like where they are heading and the stability has been a real issue for me. I have entire mix project I need to deliver that won’t open right now since the update. On intel studio one was ELITE but since M1 chip it’s been so buggy for me.

That makes sense!

It caused me to adjust my workflow. And I actually use the built int plug ins a lot cause they sound SOO GOOD whiles being CPU efficient. If they are good enough for skrillex then it’s good enough for me 😅👌

@@WhoIsAlexElliott I'll stick with Reason for now, 12 but might upgrade to 13, not decided yet but it apears they have implemented or copied browser features straight from Ableton 12.

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@@HOLLASOUNDS It is not quite as good as Ableton yet.... but the Reason 13 browser update is a step in the right direction.

@@WhoIsAlexElliott Thats true for any DAW stock sounds and presets will always be better however We pay alot of money for VSTs to have them be unable is not ok.

I absolutely will because Soo many people have mentioned it. And the only reason I tried ableton was also cause so many people mentioned it in the comments!

Yes, producers and Mixers :) two different job can be two different applications. If you do both, create in Ableton, export and mix in wherever you want. I prefer Protools. I would not leave this amazing creative ground because of the 12 sends limit 😂

That's why you're able to create chains so technically you have endless returns once you understand how the chains work. You'll end up using mostly chains on individual tracks and 12 returns will be plenty for your Mix buses of whatever.

😂😂😂😂 everyone telling me this but I think I may have a solution for everyone. My mixing template I brought over from Logic makes mixing very efficient. It relies more on busses. I was annoyed about the 12 sends but then I went through my mixes and I’ve always had loads of sends in my template and only used like 5 😂😂😂

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Totally agree, Ableton is worth getting just for the Session View!

The session view scares me cause it’s so far from annoying I know 😅

@@WhoIsAlexElliott I hardly used it, I am an arrangement man...

Same. But I will try check out!

@@WhoIsAlexElliott Oh yeah arrangement is best but session view is a lot of fun especially if you have a grid controller to fire off the loops can spend hours jamming and come up with some great ideas about how to use those loops.

I tried it many many years ago and felt the same way. So I’d say give 12 a trial

Thanks a lot. Will check that out!

Every other DAw I’ve used has instant sound auditioning. Some people have said they don’t have the issue but everyone I know personally does. Do you also run sounds of an external Hardrive ?

I’m so confused haha

@@WhoIsAlexElliott ha, 0:19 ;)

@@chucknkd😅👌

Ah your third person to say this. I need to check it out

So I actually used studio one for 2 years before going back to Logic due to stability issues. since I changed to M1 chips it’s been so unstable. I went back to it recently to open a project I mixed a while back & the whole mixed project that I mixed won’t even open cause studio one keeps crashing unfortunately.

Push is the next endeavour once I get my head around the basics 😅👌🙌. I think when it comes to music creation I’ve found my new home!

@@WhoIsAlexElliott If you love Live already, getting a Push takes it to the next level. It doesn't just control Live, it expands it.

@@groovindj exciting 🙌

That makes sense. Cause it’s usually my master bus that is using up the most.

Haha

That’s the beauty In There being so many DAWs. For some reason it really clicks with me. It just works how my brain works if that makes sense ?

@@WhoIsAlexElliott 💯‼️

​@@WhoIsAlexElliottif you can make and sell arrangement templates with markers in ABLETON for various genres like house, hiphop, trap, etc, I'd buy instantly. Or even in Studio One using the arranger and marker tracks.

I’ll make a note of this for future! Never thought of that before

I REALLY understand why!

Timberland has a team of people making music for him which he then puts his name to

🤫 don’t expose Hollywood 😂😂😂😂

Get the 28 day demo and watch the tutorials😍😍

I’m sorry to hear that. You can always change the resolution of your screen from 4K to HD also. But it means less real estate screen space. But either way I’m glad you found logic 👌.

You know that in options, preferences , display and input in ableton you can rezize the view . I change it when i'm tired . You can double the normal zise .

Thanks sharing. Hopefully that helps

I’m yet to delve into the live clips part. Seems scary haha

You gotta have the Mac power to really clown on it- BUT!! I hover 24-40% through out a production. That takes practice is all I can say about that. Like anything.. u gotta learn to Boss it.. it’s WORTH IT!

I realised it’s my master limiter that is killing the CPU, and my master buss processing in general has alot of oversampling, clipping etc . I use Nufangle Elevate as my limiter and that’s a CPU murder.

@@WhoIsAlexElliott what I do as I’m working through a track-Like on a sketch? I keep it like butt naked like all Ableton. Then I’ll start to build bigger CPU heavy plug-ins more towards the end and I’ll keep it at like 12% max! For the duration of the sketch. You can check me out I’ve got same name… I’m on RU-vid. I got like 10 pieces out right now.

👌 dope will check it out

@@WhoIsAlexElliott Number six’ same name

Ahh bro you would actually really love it youknow. This is you all over bro! Get the demo and get over the hard first few hours ❤️🙌

😂😂😂. I’ll add it to the list

A fellow Thanos producer 😂🙌. #infinityGuantlet

I’ve defo caught it 😂

It’s crazy. I think I never used it before because it didn’t even have vocal takes back then. And I think 12 was a perfect time to join cause the features are things I really appreciate

I found a way around it. You can use the Mac OS system settings to add some. So I added a shortcut for “collect all and save” and then you can use the top right button to map some others also

@@WhoIsAlexElliott Freeze and Flatten track is another one worth mapping via the MacOS shortcuts, it is strange that they added the option as a menu shortcut in Live 12 and then didn't give it a keyboard shortcut, but they did finally add a keyboard shortcut to just Freeze track after years of people asking for it. The inconsistency of the keyboard bindings in places is just one of them things you kind of have to put up with, every bit of software has its own quirks. I assume you have realised that the top right button key mappings are specific to a project. It is well worth using a project template that has stuff you use all the time pre-mapped. There are a couple of useful things that you can map to keyboard, which may not initially be that obvious, but which I find very useful. 1. Timeline locators (markers) can be mapped to a key, so the play head jumps to the locator, I have a start and end locator in my template with keys bound to them so I can easily jump to the beginning or end of the track. You can also bind the little left and right arrows at the top right of the arrangement pane, which jump forwards and backwards between locators. 2. The little spanner button at the top of VST/AU devices which shows/hides the plugin window can be mapped to a key to show and hide the plugin. Importantly this key binding works even when the track containing the device isn't the currently selected track. So if you have a device, say on the main track, which you want to open regularly but don't want to keep switching to the main track and then back to the track you are working on, you can get to it with a key press. I use this for example for visualisation plugins, i.e. loudness meter, tonal balance control etc. Finally, who can remember all these keyboard shortcuts really? As you are a youtuber I guess it is likely you have a stream deck; if so create some pages to control Ableton using that. Particularly, you can create a multi-action to search the browser for a specific plugin and add it straight to the track, so you can have your most frequently used plugins just one button click away. It takes a bit of effort to set up initially, but it has been well worth it for me.

Bro you need a blog or to give lessons. This was extensive and extremely helpful! I realise about the template and key mapping. I would start new project and be like where my mapping go loool. But I now have it set in my template. Mapping the spanner to an LuFs meter is a great idea and also I really need to map freeze to be like logics bounce in place. That’s going to be so Good!

@@WhoIsAlexElliott Please if you can do a video on it that will be helpful

Noted 👌

Acid pro. Wow that’s old school. I’m really enjoying the endless creative possibilities

@@WhoIsAlexElliott and ableton gets better with their updates make sure you try purchasing the push 3

I want to demo one first cause that’s a lot of money for own thing I may not use

Casio metronome is ELITE 😂 I’m done with logics browser though. The fact I prefer and have to use apples finder and they are owned by same company makes no sense!

i was gonna say, i've been using ableton as a digital mixer with built in modulation as a plugin host for looping and textural guitar stuff for years and it's really great as a sound design platform. i'll give you a free tip now - the vocoder. absolutely brilliant. put a drum loop on a track and place the vocoder after it. put a pad on another track and select in in the vocoder as the "carrier". then play with the formant and the depth. try different sounds and combinations (i've used speech in the past to great effect)

This sounds awesome. Will check this out this evening

@@WhoIsAlexElliott nice. also try, instead of a drum loop, a single long hit or punch and loop it every two or four bars with a bright pad as the carrier. let me know what you think! and thanks for the tip on OTT. just tried it and my sub thanks you! :)

sorry forgot to say - you don't want to hear the synth pad track at all, so you can change it's output to "sends only" and it will be muted, but the audio will still be passed to the vocoder.

You can name buses I believe. You just create a grouped track and name that🙌👌. Auxes come up as letters for now. But if you use audio rack then you can do it there

​@@WhoIsAlexElliott "But if you use audio rack then you can do it there" - Could you explain how to ?

I’ll try get a link to a video. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ly0oyF0v4-k.htmlfeature=shared

@@WhoIsAlexElliott Thank you!

No problem

No it's not. People don't know how to utilize chains in Ableton. I think you may find that Live is just as good at mixing if not better than Logic. Due to the fact you can create these big chains including a dry signal just like how you use sends but it's on the track itself allowing you to parallel process the track without even running it through a send or return track.

I’m going to mix my next external mix in ableton and see how I get on 💪

If you’re making organic sounding stuff like pianos, strings and stuff then I get what you mean. If you’re making electronic music though the instruments are ELITE, and possibilities endless. But it’s not as good a preset browser as logic for sure, it’s certainly a create from Scratch kind of DAW and that’s what I love most about it. I never use logics built in sounds but have an extensive kontakt and spitfire audio collection so built in Orestes hasn’t ever been a deciding factor for me but more so general creativity and possibilities. I COMPLETELY understand if your after great presets then it’s isn’t the best choice. Logic is

Most EDM tutorials I ever saw were on ableton but sure there are those that love FL studio also. Fl always has a place in my heart cause it’s my first DAW

@@WhoIsAlexElliott FL is always in our heart but we just got matured, it is like a toy from your childhood. From time to time i visit the forum on what theyre up to and just cheering for them discreetly.

@@Blepherksame ❤😂

What would you say your issue has been with recoding live instruments? I havnt crossed that bridge yet!

logic pro is just better for that. The comping features. I love Ableton. But my musician friends use logic pro. So I have to master Logic

Also when you’re sitting there with a bunch of musicians trying to come up with ideas. Pulling in the session player AI helps with efficiency

@@johnviera3884 got you. I did track a whole vocals session in ableton recently and found the comping super intuitive. But maybe 12 made some changes?

I think I’m gonna start using Ableton by myself and logic around friends. But then I feel like I’m not mastering Logic. 10,000 hours

Haha love the bold claims. Let’s go haha

@@WhoIsAlexElliott If you dont like bitwig better id be shocked. They have a free trial. Also it was made by EX ablelton live developers. I left abelton after years of using it when bitwig came out and never looked back. Bitwig has only grown and gotten exponentially better. Its literally just a better version of ableton. And you have no ties to ableton yet so why not see for yourself.

I do feel like ableton has locked me in as I realised many of my piers use it. So we can all share sessions with each other but I’ll give bitwig a try

I’m having so much fun!

I feel that way currently also!

@@WhoIsAlexElliott Oh yeah the browser alone kills Logic. What's up with that shit? Logic'c browser sucks a big fat one. Max for Live you can also make instruments, Midi Effects, AND devices for the Generative Midi that are in the new piano roll. Check out the Bouncy Notes plugin in the Midi Effects section. Like Logic seriously can't do any of this, like not even a recreate of something like Bouncy Notes. I feel sorry for people trying to make electronic music in any other DAW and FL Studios just doesn't have the same workflow. Isn't it really exciting? I'm trying to learn M4L now and it's not easy but it is set up so you don't need to know code in order to start crafting your own, Audio Effects, Midi Effects, Generative Midi, Instruments. Absolutely LOVE Live. Edit: Also get Duck Buddy, it's a free M4L device. It's actually better than Kick Start2. Has Lookahead that get's rid of those Clicks notorious in LFO Tool.

Man I’m so excited. Seems like there’s so much to still discover 🙌

Hmm I mix in Ableton too, but lately often I export all tracks and then mix / master in LUNA. Try that! (summing!!)

So many people mentioning LUNA. I tried it before but the main challenge I had were the shortcuts were pro tools and I can’t change them. And just can’t get to grips with them