This is an isolated track from my main channel, see the full cover here: • Dear Prudence - Guitar... Brendan Peleo Lazar on Drums Instagram @speedking_._
I didn't realize there was so much hoopla about whether Paul or Ringo played the end. It's always been said it's Paul, and Paul and Ringo have very similar playing styles. I use bandanas on my drum kit in my band quite often, and it's common for one to fall off if I'm playing on it a lot. That's the natural thought that came tp my mind when I heard the snare suddenly open up at the end. I figured it was just a happy accident that the towel just fell off while Paul was tracking the drums. Taking off the tea towel was very smart. Excellent video!
This is about as obviously Ringo as practically any song in the universe. One of the greatest drum compositions ever. Still that style is not even touched and his work stands in a time capsule of it's own.
@@stephenstrang590 no it's well documented that in the sessions for this song only Paul was present on drums. Ringo had left the band for a week or so, this and back in the USSR are Paul. He's clearly doing his best impression of Ringo though. A lot of the extra fills are overdubs.
That was great !! One of my favorite songs! Keep up the good work, and do some others if you can (may have already) but She Said , Tomorrow never Knows !
At 3:00 If you look closely you'll notice someone (not the drummer) sneak in and remove one of the tea towels from the snare drum. This, of course, then alters the sound of that drum giving it a colder, sharper sound than previously where having the drums covered in this way cushions the sound keeping slightly 'bottled up' and softer.
If you listen carefully there are more overdubs on the drums side, in some places there is Ringo's style and it couldn't have been played by Paul, this is my impression
Hmm... When did Paul ever play anything but heavy handed sixteenth notes in his fills? Or accents on the snare, or any dynamics for that matter? Or triplets? If that closing section is Paul, he seems to be using a drum vocabulary that he quickly lost access to and never found again, certainly not by the time he cut his first solo LP. Just saying.
Ryan Stern - I agree! I believe Paul played the backing track, then the solo was dubbed. You can hear when the drum sound changes just before the drum solo
@@AblyHouse It is possible it was an overdub by Paul trying to get it to sound right. It's an accomplished sounding thing, but just a little too sloppy to be Ringo.
tigerlight430 - I think its possible the drums were overdubbed by paul, yes. The issue is the drum sound changes and the final vocals were completed first. I’ve been thinking of making a video on this topic
tigerlight430 - Also, to be clear. I think its Paul. There is no evidence of a session. If it was Ringo, it was an undocumented late night session after another song. Which is unlikely. The late night thing could explain some sloppiness, but I think they moved on from the song pretty quickly and were excited to get to the next. Then by the end, they were rushing to finish
We decided a while back that having a little bleed for people to follow along in the song was the best option. Plus any Beatles isolated track has bleed from other instruments. But, I will agree, this one has a really loud backing track
Brendan was the one who theorized thats why the snare rings out more - the towel falls off, so we tried to recreate that as much as possible. There definitely is a change in tone at the spot that's always jumped out at me.
@@neilcandeloramusic I might be a bit late, but I think that Paul played the first part (Ringo left the band for a few days) and then Ringo came back and played the ending, that's the reason behind the difference in sound. I'm not sure about it, though, but I might have read it somewhere.
Very good. I always have trouble with that middle, it's pretty hard to duplicate exactly what McCartney or Ringo played, so I just ad lib, but I always try to get as close to the original as possible.
I know all the stories that it’s Paul drumming on this song but some people have theorized that the end part was added by Ringo since it seems like his style of drumming and some have even pointed out the end drumming seems to have a different EQ level and hence it could be a later added overdub. Since you are a drummer what is your opinion? Is the end part Paul or Ringo?
Brendan Peleo Lazar is doing the drums here. We all talked about what we think. All we know for sure is there is a drum overdub. (Notice our cut in the exact spot) I agree it sounds like Ringo. But documentation points to Paul. The drum over dub happened AFTER John tracked his final vocal (the simple drum groove bleeds from the head phones into Johns vocal mic). Anything else is speculation. The drum levels are different. If Ringo overdubbed, they were tracking another session and switched back to an almost complete Dear Prudence, for an undocumented session. Anyone who says Paul couldnt handle the part under estimates him. I wouldnt compare his Ram/McCartney I drumming to Beatles; he would have been trying to sound like Ringo whereas later he'd intentionally avoid it
Ably House thank you. Very good points. I think in the one interview I heard with Ringo about this exact subject he seemed to brush it off very non decisively. Also not sure if they even remember the details of the sessions as we fans do. On the anthology extra while listening to Golden Slumbers, even George and Paul could remember who played bass on that. I wish Giles Martin who may or may not be remixing the White Album as he did with Sgt Pepper can decisively settle this once and for all by listening to all the session tapes. Thank you once again for your videos. They really are invaluable for budding musicians like myself who can now pick up the individual parts. Please keep them coming.
I doubt they remember at this point. I imagine, if it happened, Ringo overdubbed it during one of their all-nighters and it went undocumented. Glad the videos are helpful
westfield90 I was thinking about this when I was learning it for a Beatles Tribute I play with. It does very much sound like Ringo’s style. Having said that, Paul and Ringo were both left handed which would suggest that their drum fills would be similar in that they both lead with the left and end up on the snare in some of the fills ala Strawberry Fields Forever as well as others.
It's been long established that it was Ringo finishing the track (by overdubbing Paul) after his comeback. You can hear his very distinctive signature beat (especially the falling-down-the-stairs, swampy rolls) as the song develops. Paul did a good job too, but Ringo transported Dear Prudence to his godly level. 😉 As for documentation, William J. Dowlding's Beatlesongs (1995) says Ringo played drums albeit not on the entire track. J. P. Russell's The Beatles On Record (1982) also says Ringo played on Dear Prudence. About Ringo's absence, The Compleat Beatles (1981) says it lasted one week, starting on August 22. Since the Dear Prudence recordings took place on August 28 (at Trident Studios), and again on the 29 and 30, that adds to the idea that Ringo, whilst not playing on the whole track, did in fact overdub the trickier part for consistency and cohesion upon his return. Some sources say Ringo also contributed with backing vocals, and that Mal Evans, Jackie Lomax and a certain John (some say McCartney's cousin, whilst others that he was his nephew) are also on the track. For a technical explanation based on the recording itself and drumming styles: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ms3p5gdi-XY.html
Hey thanks for the info! The video you linked is unavailable and all of the books you referenced came up short when I searched online. I tend to think it's Ringo, but most sources point towards Paul. Where is the undocumented session where they recorded Dear Prudence with Ringo? August 22/23rd are the days they recorded USSR, 28-30th was Dear Prudence. The next session was September 3rd which I believe is when Ringo came back. There is a lot of speculation based on not much more than guess-work. Do you have any sources online that work? Even Lewisohn fell in the category of saying " I don't think Paul could play like that, therefore it's Ringo " which to me is a bad argument
@@AblyHouse mind you that I'm not saying Ringo played through the whole song. He only overdubbed a bit at the end, since the rest was ok and probably [this part is pure speculation] he didn't want to delay the sessions on a whim or quarrel with Paul about it. The sources I've mentioned hint at Ringo coming back on 08/30, when they just worked on some final touches (overdubs, backing vocals, hand claps), so that's when he added those fills (a segment of just a few seconds). About the books, I have physical copies, so I didn't think about online references or quotes, but I'll look around to see if I find something. The video, I guess, was taken down, probably for copyright reasons. I've commented the same thing on another video and some people that commented there have seen it, so at least I know I'm not hallucinating 😅. Alas! I haven't found any similar ones to replace it, so far. If I don't I'll just edit that part out eventually.
@@ablyhouseisolated impresionante!!!! Ya flipaba con vuestros vídeos, pero con ese detalle sois totalmente la caña, enhorabuena y gracias por vuestro trabajo!!!
Did they really take the tea towel off the snare at 3:02 like you show here? I know the EQ level issue, but that would seem to be something done in the recording and/or the mixing process, not as a result of the tea towel being removed as you show here. You could leave the tea towel on, and I doubt that there would be very many who could tell the difference.
Check out the real isolated drum track to Dear Prudence. It's at 3:09 actually, and there's a splice at 2:55 for a drum edit. The drum sounds from before 2:55 and after to me seem very different. Almost sounds like a different day/miking to me. The tea towel falling off at 3:09 is different from an edit or mixing, what happens is the snare goes from dead sounding, to ringing and louder. The snare is totally opened up by 3:12. And as you can see from other comments, especially on the main channel, plenty of people have noticed this before us
Also maybe Ringo had a tendency to speed up and the others would play to it. I mean the would kind of cover it up. So that is the ending of the song. Im not saying Ringo was bad. Im saying the Beatles were SO professional that Ringos drumming and Pauls are seamless.
