DEATH METAL THEN VS. NOW feat. TheSuffocater! Old School vs. Modern Death Metal (2022) Riff Battle

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In this very special installment of the Then Vs. Now series, I am joined by the riff battle legend himself TheSuffocater! I could think of noone better to represent the Old School Death Metal side of this battle.
When it first emerged, the extreme nature and violent or even overtly Satanic imagery of death metal was truly shocking: nothing like it had been heard before. While some of the shock value may have dulled over time, bands have continued to push the limits to try and create the heaviest music possible, with no concern for mainstream acceptance. Have they succeeded? Or was old school death metal the best? As always, you be the judge and let us know in the comments!
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@TheSuffocater 2 года назад

Hey Thomas , thanks for having me as the Old School guy :) You are a hell of a guitarist !

@kirisutegomen12 2 года назад

The man, the legend 🤘🏼

@ThomasHogue 2 года назад

It was an honor! One of my inspirations for the riff battle format, very exciting to have you on a video 🤘

@northstarz1125 2 года назад

Ur both amazing my brothers in metal!!!

@souliss 2 года назад

This was a shower thought of mine about two weeks ago so thank you! Also... stay out of my shower please... disgusting...

@Ronnie_GT1000 2 года назад

You're certainly one of my favorite metal youtube guitarists out there man! Keep it up, and I like your collection of guitars too!

@osamabinlaggin69 2 года назад

Love how it doesn’t matter whether the metal is old or new, the warlock is timeless.

@phantomechelon3628 Год назад

Still the most metal guitar ever made IMO.

@m-paws3788 7 месяцев назад

just had mine customized tooooo . me is most proud 😸

@GabAssbreaker 2 года назад

Old School Death Metal is the best music ever made, modern Death Metal is amazing in its own right but the old, vintage Death Metal sound is the thing i love the most. Props to both players, you guys rocks!

@malteadotas4 2 года назад

I agree. The technicality of modern Death Metal is incredible, but it's also less memorable IMO. I enjoy both but those old school riffs get me going every time.

@MegaDuanra 2 года назад

Indeed

@GabAssbreaker 2 года назад

@@malteadotas4 yeah its hard sometimes to recognize what band you are listening nowadays (soo many great bands in these days), yet i always can tell appart Suffocation from Incantation, and Incantation from Immolation despite how similar the bands names are, just for how iconic Is the music of any of those bands

@malteadotas4 2 года назад

@@GabAssbreaker exactly! and the sound.Each band is very unique, they are so recognizable. \m/

@kylepardueish 5 месяцев назад

@@malteadotas4 there's basically no such thing as tech death anymore. All death metal is pretty technical now

@timothyjewell9642 10 месяцев назад

Seeing "old school" being applied to albums that came out when I was a teenager (I'm 33 now), like Bolt Thrower "Those Once Loyal", is such a trip. Old school will never not mean bands like Death, Morbid Angel, Suffocation, etc. \m/

@itscorvid358 Месяц назад

Those Once Loyal definitely isn't an old school album considering it came out in 2005, but it was probably included because Bolt Thrower are an old school band who released their first album in 1988

@timothyjewell9642 Месяц назад

True that! I mean, 2005 was 19 years ago, though. To a kid just getting into metal, that probably DOES seem pretty old school - it’d be like me listening to “Reign In Blood” in 2005 and thinking that it was old school (which it definitely felt like at the time)

@VeritabIlIti Год назад

Is no one gonna talk about how amazing that Archspire bit was? Such precision, and definitely at full tempo! 😂 keep up the good work, lads

@Knocker420 2 года назад

That was a f**kin sick collab! Awesome tracks and awesome shreds from Thomas Hogue and TheSuffocater! Let's keep this going, guys. Please!!

@ThomasHogue 2 года назад

Indeed! I have done some of these before but not in awhile. Any bands you are thinking of?

@bloody-fire 2 года назад

this is really unexpected but so amazing collab! you really should do more videos together, cause this one is the fire!

@marchanson169 2 года назад

It's all great. I do think that there is a little bit of tradeoff where the "evil" vibe diminishes in proportion to technicality. It's not a good or bad thing -- just a thing.

@driftthekaliyuga7502 2 года назад

Been listening to death metal for 25 years and I love it all. Lots of new bands with old school chops too these days. Shit, even cassettes are coming back.

@BigMuff75 2 года назад

After that song from Left Hand Path, that Decapitated Riff hits insanely hard... although imho over the course of the video the br00tal sound of the new stuff wears out pretty quickly and the old stuff is a lot more diverse.

@Metalandstuff 2 года назад

Something special whit Death Metal, old school , new ...its still Death Metal 🤘

@i-never-look-at-replies-lol 2 года назад

Older ftw. Honestly without the vocals, the newer stuff sounds like it could fit in across several different modern metal genres. I expecting just a tonal difference, but there's more than that going on.

@d3th_2_all 7 месяцев назад

I feel like that’s because modern metal has a lot of integrating of other genres due to the broad spectrum of metal now

@the_malefactor 2 года назад

Honestly, I think a number of these newer songs illustrated the conservatism in death metal writing (eg Abysmal Dawn, Aborted, Cannibal Corpse). Of course, many of those also are pretty veteran bands.

@donovanrebbechi3334 2 года назад

I've really enjoyed TheSuffocater's videos. I would have liked to see Pestilence in the "Old School" mix but nice job overall. Though I'm an old school guy, Death Metal has come quite a long way in the last 30 years, as is apparent in this video. However, Chuck Schuldiner was way ahead of his time.

@zannall2699 2 года назад

mind reflections just hits so hard

@jasonvanwinkle2388 2 года назад

I knew Spiritual Healing before it played just by the finger placement 😁 can't beat old school Death Metal! I need to listen to more newer Death Metal, I'll take this as a recommendation!

@oifvet7487 2 года назад

I just can't really get into the newer stuff

@zannall2699 2 года назад

newer bands i'd recommend (besides rivers of nihil and archspire) include but are not limited to: Revocation, Jinjer, Brand of sacrifice, and if you are in a particular spicey mode paledusk. Slugdge is one of my favorites but I wouldn't consider them newer death metal.

@HaasiAustria Год назад

@@zannall2699 Do you know any instrumental death metal bands? My girlfriend would like it, but she hates growling. I know Blotted Science, but it's too much Jazz. I search classical old school death metal. Or trash metal.

@zannall2699 Год назад

@@HaasiAustria without harsh vocals you might be able too get her into heavy edm.

@HaasiAustria Год назад

@@zannall2699 Sorry, your message was deleted again. Do you wrote band names, that could violate any rules? 😀 I only could read your first lines in the message, you spent an hour for researching. Wow, you do that for a stranger, thanks! I found also something, will write it in another message. If it would be deleted.

@amineabouzaid9095 2 года назад

Just a great collab guys keep going !! We want more of you !

@bigjohnsbigmetalshow18 2 года назад

Absolutely brilliant, both of you.

@zeigknoechelbruder 2 года назад

The collab i always wanted!

@jbasti227 2 года назад

Never expected to see this collab but this was awesome, really enjoy both of your channels

@redinthesky1 2 года назад

Great riff battle ! As impressive as Archspire is, (and I absolutely love their brand of Tech) there is no denying the infectious joy of 90s Deicide (Legion is king)

@cannibal666 2 года назад

🤘👹 HELL YEAH DECIDE💥

@davesiddons8921 2 года назад

Legion is death metal perfection, 29 minutes without a second wasted on fluff

@moonlightequilibrium 2 года назад

i usually lean towards modern death metal, but deicide has to be one of the best bands, period.

@phantomechelon3628 Год назад

For me it was remembering how much I love Obituary, Bolt Thrower and Death. But I guess we all have our favourites.

@HaasiAustria Год назад

Legion is one of the best metal albums ever! Deicide never came back to it's quality, but it's ok. Better they have one ever hammer album and a few good, than more good and no killer like Legion.

@ChainsawChristmas 2 года назад

Thank goodness for content like this. Not a boring reaction or demo.

@xMIRAKx 2 года назад

MIssed the opportunity to do Barnes CC and Corpsegrinder CC. The old school and new school warlocks were a nice touch.

@jhin4158 2 года назад

Great video! You did a perfect job of showing the contrasts of modern and old school death metal by playing all these amazing riffs

@Thrasher_Abbatoir 2 года назад

Great track selection. Kudos to both of you!

@hegelian27 2 года назад

Great job to both of you! Man, I love that Rivers of Nihil riff. Such a fun one!

@JonnyJungle77 2 года назад

That was awesome guys, really enjoyed it. Y'all are badass guitarists!

@AutumnReaper23 2 года назад

Awesome collaboration!!! And there is no clear winner as both are just as amazing!

@97McLuvin 2 года назад

what an awesome vid Didn't know I wanted/needed you two to do something together until 5 minutes ago

@josueguillen5053 2 года назад

Whoa hell of a collab! Good job guys

@-the-light 2 года назад

That was awesome!!!! Thank you guys!

@onetakehoovie5955 2 года назад

Two of some of the best metal guitarist youtube creators collabing? I love it

@kirisutegomen12 2 года назад

Great collab! 🤘🏼

@Tyelkormoko 2 года назад

what an amazing combination! Two of my favourites, this is just too strong

@atlante4368 2 года назад

Great track selection. You guys rule!

@mikerauter1859 2 года назад

TheSuffocater wins again! There's no school like the old school!

@garrisonclark4793 2 года назад

Thomas so good to see the views reflect your amazing content, don't stop bro!

@jon_halliwell 2 года назад

Excellent video 🤘🤘🤘

@egioch 2 года назад

Well, that was awesome!

@jennyprorock 2 года назад

Even have the old school warlock out...I salute your old school homage.. Awesome video. Good job guys.

@Popeye-xk5si 2 года назад

Good stuff as always my man ,, 🤘🏻🤘🏻

@Benobot99 2 года назад

Awesome video

@rickbrunet2559 2 года назад

Great cola guys! You both are amazing guitarists! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

@TheeDangle Год назад

This selection of riffs from both of you are s teir. 11/10

@johnfeidt238 Год назад

So stoked to see the epic Those Once Loyal riff

@DOUGLASaraujosoares 2 года назад

Awesome feat

@TheRealUncleBeef 10 месяцев назад

I hope yous get together more. That was exquisite

@FLOURISHFAMILYENT 2 года назад

Sweet collab 🔥🔥🔥🔥

@luisgoregonzalez7394 Год назад

Epic riffs! Amazing video! 🤩🤘🍻

@argetect2847 Год назад

Now that's some good clean fun

@sunsetbarmartigny 2 года назад

That was great guys 🤘

@clowncorpse7230 9 месяцев назад

Holy shit what an awesome video 😀

@Jeffmetal42 2 года назад

killer video! I love all death metal, doesn't matter the school. I absolutely love the classics, but I also am a very big fan of a a lot of new stuff too. I'm as much part of the new school as much as I am the old school. 🤘🏻🤘🏻

@zekt976 2 года назад

shit like this is how i have discovered like 90% of my new fav bands in the last year

@danieldoncel7308 2 года назад

Love the featuring with suffocater! 💀🤘🏽

@devildozer 2 года назад

Definitely one of my fav vids...f@*$ing sick as hell, I loved this collaboration guys!! Perfect guitar playing from both of you. Subscribed!!!!!!!

@ThomasHogue 2 года назад

Thank you!

@culturekiller86 7 месяцев назад

Nothing in the world will ever compare to old school death metal

@AngelsINIDemonsCafe 2 года назад

Thanks, for the enlighten knowledge from the dark.

@FlyingSpaceOstrich 2 года назад

Yes! Spiritual Healing is one of my favorite Death songs

@BalashToth 2 года назад

Awesome video. For me that Bolt Thrower riff slayed everything 😍 fucking menacing.

@davegillett4304 2 года назад

Can this amazing collaboration spawn an original track ? Id smother the like button for that . Love this channel!

@boot_912 5 месяцев назад

I listen to both. They're fucking awesome. Old is still gold.

@quasimodoshunchback 2 года назад

yessssssssssss this was so sick!!!!!!!1

@Jertsukka 2 года назад

those once loyal... 🥵🥵

@cannibal666 2 года назад

DAM!!! What can I say u guys freaking shred awesome Collab great vid 💥🤘🤘👹💀⚡

@Terrierized 2 года назад

Subbed mate ! Loved Suffy doing 'suffocation'!!

@ThomasHogue 2 года назад

I didn't even notice that 😂 Thanks for the sub!

@lebarak69 2 года назад

You literally played my modern death playlist 1:1 impressive and good taste ;)

@Mattalica-ss9pj 2 года назад

Maybe it is because I am from "then" (I even saw Death on the Leprosy tour)😊but I prefer the Old School death stuff. The older stuff has more groove with the technicality (but is no less brutal) -- I also prefer the drumming in the OS death. I get bored with blast beats. That said, Rivers of Nihil have been one of my favourite new (progressive) death bands for a few years now.

@MoreGamingTeam Год назад

Check out BAEST

@fartvader84yearsago8 2 года назад

I admire your commitment to rapidly age to do the old school part

@ThomasHogue 2 года назад

Anything for the fans

@davidadolfoplacenciamontes5312 2 года назад

EPIC COLLAB

@MrTransmaterial 2 года назад

What about power metal then vs now? By the way, great channel, I love it!

@julitoalcazar1996 2 года назад

Damn, sick guitar tones in this video

@scoobybenguitars 2 года назад

Delightful!

@nicolaswhult 2 года назад

Old school for the indesputable win. Great job both of you guys, excellent playing!

@cynthiastarich6844 2 года назад

So freakin cool!!!

@ChrisJones-yu9rz Год назад

That was an epic battle! I am more old-school oriented, so the one thing that would’ve made me happy is after you played Cannibal Corpse newer stuff? If the sufficator would’ve whipped out some thing from back in the 80s or 90s lol.

@SingularityCSGO1 2 года назад

Man i just love every video you do! Sick collab bros, you guys are awesome!

@ThomasHogue 2 года назад

Love to hear it! Thanks for the support!

@geraldrauch1701 2 года назад

awesome guys!!! all hail the Suffocater!!! my first time seeing you thomas, very well done brother...just subbed!!! cheers!!!

@ThomasHogue 2 года назад

Great to hear, thanks for the sub and kind words!

@zannall2699 2 года назад

man you guys hit the fucking mark for new and old bands, rivers of nihil and archspire mwah. but the classics i expected were there death morbid angel and cannibal corpse.

@jessicalynn835 2 года назад

oh I love the nearest Decapitated album. so groove, really cool \m/

@Azzmelater 11 месяцев назад

The beautiful thing about metal is there’s no such thing as one is better both are legendary!

@tims 2 года назад

I need a Spotify playlist of these tunes!

@TheMetal750 2 года назад

This was awesome ple as ee do more collaborative together!

@lukash_zx9003 2 года назад

Thank you for the video. I’ve been waiting it for a ling time. Waiting for a progressive metal))

@Spiffelight 2 года назад

Hell yeah I loved this, oldschool got the feelgood vibes but modern for me got the chug you want, love both!

@joshuavalencia6146 2 года назад

No way, TheSuffocater is in!.

@8Junio76 2 года назад

Subscribed 🤟🏻

@ThomasHogue 2 года назад

Thank you!

@bluesrock88 10 месяцев назад

Bolt thrower’s riffing is the best. So iconic, a trademark.

@deathsquadrec 2 года назад

I was really hoping to see Rivers of NIhil on here, and I was not disappointed. most excellent

@suicidewhitechapel23 2 года назад

What a fucking ending, ucking awesomeeee

@Dnll88 2 года назад

All bands are fucking awesome. 🔥

@BadSensation 2 года назад

Death metal is just so fucking great that I love both the old school stuff and the new stuff. And everything in between. That genre will never become boring, stale or predictable.

@Pitbull0669 Год назад

SUPER BADASS!

@Pyropenguin10 Год назад

Was literally thinking "what if he had a guest? Would they be g/s'ed in?" Great keying job! It definitely couldn't have been easy!

@efedobleve718 4 месяца назад

I want a playlist with all these songs😮🖤

@pain9270 2 года назад

I love both, but if I had to chose one it would be old school. You guys should do more videos together.

@CogGrinder 2 года назад

Man, that riff from Where Owls Know My Name is a secret weapon for sure

@vertigus28 2 года назад

im old school. loved this and have a heap of new bands to enjoy. First thing I notice on hearing this is that snare is really played at speed in the more modern bands. Death, Morbids and Benediction always my faves but. peace

@sdotmurda 2 года назад

What a collab fuck yes!

@MrSslam 2 года назад

Excellent guys. I spend quite some time watching both your channels. Cool making something together🖤🤟

@mrbookends 2 года назад

Amazingly enough - just today (!) - I had Vader "De Profundis" (1994?) and Sinister "Diabolical Summoning" (1993?) playing while working from home, followed up by the new Archspire. And here's the thing - if either of those early 90s album had been released this month, they'd be on "album of the year" lists on websites this year..... It's been decades, but how far have we really come?!