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That comment is so spot on. Although through the positive the victim is lulled into believing “it’s not really that bad, I’ll stay”. And then the abuse comes in a surprise attack. Thank you Lord, I’m out and safe now.

I thought he was too narcissistic to think he'd be convicted and that he was too much of a wuss to hurt anyone but tiny females. As a result of those traits, I didn't think he'd be a suicide risk.

@@hanlieloyd9260 love your name! Hey, I am out too friend 🙏♥️

Terri Jamison I feel safer being anonymous. O dear, is that the voice of a victim? No I’m a survivor even more an overcomer!!!

Imagine living life without positive emotions?? That's a sad way to live. I'm NOT sticking up for any of them. Just saying, in general. Of course, they don't care, they're narcissists!

Yup living with narcissist parents it goes very much like this never any accountable

The Narcissist's Prayer That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.

Same, I grew up with narc parent like this and it stood out to me. It’s never their fault, only yours according to them 😔

Yes, this is always a thing. Also, remorse over doing something horrible like physical violence, they don't have that. What's truly frightening is how they behave when they think you can't escape them Vs when they think you can, when they think you can they'll try to make it seem like they might be sorry, and of course, it was "your fault" and they are "worried about you" so that you'd stay. When they don't think you can escape, they'll just say it's entirely your fault, that what you did was wrong, and that what they did was necessary since "you are a bad child" in an attempt to get you to never resist, never upset them again, and never think of them as bad people. There's always gaslighting, an attempt to make it seem like "you triggered them" which is supposed to make what they did okay and a reminder that you can't hold them accountable, they remind you that there's absolutely nothing that you can do. You are "helpless". And it's just horrible. One word: Karma

Think about having two narcissistic parents!

Many parents are the cause of these issues. Nor know how to teach their kids any of this. It would be wise to teach emotional intelligence in school.

Statistically, 1 out of 4 women are victims of domestic abuse. This is a much deeper issue.

Right I think the only way to effect a real change is through education in the schools. It could be taught in conjunction with the health and sex education programs by accredited professionals.

@@andreivilla9009 What sorts of things qualify as violence for these numbers - and what are the same numbers for men?

@@eadweard. we all know a lot more women die at the hands of their partners than visa versa.

That's a great point.

My relationship is ending right now for this very reason. Still love him, don’t wish bad for him, but I can’t stay if it means permanent damage to me.

Great point and well said! People need to also understand that what feels like love for a person can actually be unhealthy codependence, a neediness that isn't love at all. And even supposing you do actually love an abusive person, you should never put up with abuse for any reason. It's better to walk away from someone you love than be the target of emotional and physical abuse.

Men who abuse women are often very afraid of being hurt by bullies themselves.

I doubt if he killed himself at all. He probably wasn’t half as tough as he thought and couldn’t survive in the reserve park on his own. The wild animals fixed it.

I don’t think he would’ve lasted one day in prison.

He knew he’d get it worse in prison

@@dianewilkins4418 that’s exactly what I was thinking!

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Perhaps a more constructive analysis would be to gauge the effect on society as a whole of our apparent delight in casting women as passive, helpless, dim, and abused victims. Like so many other women, Gabby got murdered for one reason: Because some man (probably Brian) was physically bigger. There is absolutely NO evidence that Brian was more narcisstic, volatile, irresponsible, or manipulative than she. In fact, there's much to suggest it. And stop with the accusations of "victim blaming." Being murdered does NOT whitewash one's entire history or make one a candidate for sainthood. But now it's considered blasphemy to even question the narrative of "Angel Gabriela" and her "sweet family" or "Demon Brian (et al)." Like many weak men, Brian had to find someone even weaker and more fragile to feel "heroic" towards. I'm fairly certain that the reason we don't hear more about the Merry Pigs incident is because he was trying to defend her from something SHE had started. Women like me worked too hard establishing what equality we now have to see it so lightly dismissed. It's truly offensive (and frightening!) how many of you seem to want to cast us back into a mold that was never accurate even in the 30's, 40's, or 50's. (The ridiculous "gaslighting" mania came from a 1938 movie that portrayed women as so helplesss and pathetic that it was absurd even by Hollywood standards.) And for the record, I HAVE seen DV up close and personal. We no longer live in the "You made your bed; SLEEP in it!" past. Gabby had no children, no financial dependency on Brian, and recourse to all sorts of social and familial support. At what point does personal responsibility get addressed? At what point are we allowing our youngest and most impressionable daughters to see being mistreated as a means to unqualified "popularity"?

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Mostly. I just read a comment by someone who strongly supported the idea that the Landries deserves for their son to die because they behave badly. I find it highly toxic to think that. Overall you are right though.

@@charisma-hornum-fries I agree . Not in a million years would any parent want to be In the situation they were thrown into.

Wrong! Crime sleuths or those who have questions and don’t believe narratives have every right to do so! I don’t like the extremely nasty comments but there are questions!

True. Not sure I'd want Laundrie to date my daughter, though. He probably wasn't headed in a good direction in life, and would have likely destroyed another woman's life if he'd had lived and gotten away with this one. Just remember that our "compassion" should only go so far.

@@BasedinReality1984 narcissists are made not born that way. So parents are partly to blame.

agreed, we need to watch out for red flags, but when we are young, we don't have the experience of life

well said!!!!

Been there...

Yes, and some of these red flags seem romantic at the time.

@@teardropsea ugh so TRUE!

Dr. Grande is one of the few people who’s quotes stay in my head for weeks/ months after watching a video

Yeah, basically, use common sense. Don’t date a-holes.

This quote says it all. It is what was going through my head during the Moab incident. Gabby told and showed LE how Brian had gripped her face so tightly it was left scratched and bruised. She may have slapped him first, but most likely because she was defending herself from him. She was no threat to Brian’s safety, so she wasn’t arrested or charged with anything. Brian was a danger to Gabby though and LE even had proof from Gabby’s telling them. The mere fact that Brian would hold Gabby’s face in such a way in the first place, NO MATTER WHY was all the proof needed for Anyone to know Brian was abusive to her and therefore a threat to her safety. Anyone who has ever been abused has most likely at some point experienced the jaw grip. There is nothing loving or romantic about it. It is done to control and hurt period. So if anyone out there is with someone who does ANY one of these at ANYtime: jaw gripping, hair snatching, arm twisting, shoulder gripping, name calling, kicking around furniture or belittling you You ARE being ABUSED. Don’t try to reason with or make excuses for your abuser. Do get out as soon as you can safely do so.

@@LittleLulubee sad to say that after 12 years of being molested , raped and prepped by my step father at the age of 5 yrs till I was 18. For some reason, I had a tendency to attract narcissistic men. Both of my first 2 husbands of ten years to each one till I was just done & over it and left. My first was an ex cop by far manipulating and mentally abusive. I now look at those kind of men as weak and insecure in their own skin. He had issues with his mother bc he found out while he was young that she cheated on his father, and he resented her for it till the day she died. The father ended up taking her back years later bc her spouse had died after leaving him. My second husband it was his father who was a molester who my 2nd ex said he never remembered his father doing it to him but he molested his sister. She confirmed that with me. I truly do not under stand men who have these tendency to prey on little children. I think it’s the abomination and the most lowly thing a human can do to a little innocent child. I decided to never have children to bring them into this predatory earth of monsters that consume and prey on little ones. I’ve dated several men, long term after both of my divorces but swore to never remarry again. My last boyfriend of 5 years was the icing on the cake. I was done! Throughout my life their was a calling and a yearning to want to feel and be loved. That’s all I ever seemed and wanted. God said I’m not done with you yet. A month after I broke it off with my last ex, a man picked me out of thousands of woman from around the world on guess where? Messenger Facebook. I came across his suggestion box that their was someone that I knew that he knew. It’s been an unbelievable love journey with this man for 4 years so far. And here I am going on 59 years. So love does come by and does come true when you least expect it. Just don’t risk your life for it. I wish I could go back and change what I know now to what I didn’t know back then & my boyfriend response to that was “ Why? If you did change your past, I would have never had the privileges of meeting you.

@@lyndadotson3089 Aww, I’m glad you finally found a good person. Take care.

So many psychos and narcissists around. I was married to one. Almost killed me and my kids. This planet is a nightmare.

The percentage of the general population estimated to have psychopathic personality disorder is 1.6%. Narcissistic personality disorder manifests in about 0.5% of the population. I'm just saying, let's not get carried away with the "everyone is so bad" vibe because honestly 90% of the people you meet are probably pretty decent.

I totally agree.💯

@@ShadowWizard123 1.6% of 8 billion is 128 million. That's a lot of people. The original commenter wasn't saying everyone is bad, just that there are a lot of bad people out there.

WHY WOULD ANYBODY STAY WITH A NARCISSIST? DOESN'T SEEM WISE NOR SOMETHING TO ADVOCATE IMO!

So sorry this happened to you hope you survived it okay not everyone w a bad childhood is an abuser sometimes they have perfectly good childhoods too

Looking for help in Ohio

My narcissistic father also had a sad childhood. All his behavior later in life was justifiable for him this way. He often used it as an excuse. And not truly being able/incapable to genuinely love us, or show affection. My mother felt that he was jealous at my birth.His behavior gradually got worse, especially in the years closer to the divorce, where he felt his control slipping away. My mother had enough after 23 years.I hope your life is alot better now Gail, 33 years is far too long to live like that. My mother often blames herself for not ending it sooner. But it’s the endless mindgames, threats and victimhood, feeling sorry for him, having some better times in between his outbursts, that kept it dragging on for far too many years. And it’s incredibly hard to get an outward perspective, when it all has become your ‘normal’. It’s odd to read how similar this sounded to my father.

You are so brave. I wish you all the best. 🙏

@@TAG-1984 this was pretty much spot on what i witnessed growing up and boy those sneaky patterns tend to repeat ;/

you have not heard many intelligent therapists, then. This guy essentially reads off a Wikipedia entry and then speculates 'til the cows come home.

Yes! Since you seem interested in these subjects may I recommend also checking out the channel "Live Abuse Free" and Doctor Ramani, who has her own channel and also made interviews for MedCircle. They're both amazing. I watch them and Dr. Grande regularly.

@@anlace3447 You meant to say "haven't"?

He's technically a counselor

That strangely leaves the police officer (from the cop body cam video) as the main suspect, and/or the 'third' person walking free. There must be a third person in this case. Recalled that 2 other people were killed near the hotel where the cop was taking him to, to keep them separated Was Brian also killed by strangulation or what?

Its even more terrifying to see that shit in action. Dead behind the eyes.

Obviously he had empathy so much he felt like complete shitt and offed himself . People in general are narcissistic everyone has a bit In there DNA . It a love story with a sad ending see red flags run . If not this happens when it gets to bad

@@jumpluffis5k846 a guilty conscience and empathy are two completely different things.

@Mr D Again yeah im well aware. I was married to one for a decade. Once the shame shit starts....RUN

@@jumpluffis5k846 Nope, everyone does NOT have narcissism in them.

That’s super intense to have literally all of your formative adult years enduring a narc relationship. I’m super impressed by your strength and I hope you are doing well ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Glad to see there are a lot of survivors, like me!!! It actually brought my daughter and I closer. She’s 17 now, and sees why I left her dad. Therapy helped, but Gabby’s story gave her the information she needed to understand DV.

@@thisisit333 Im so glad you and your daughter could heal. It’s a great point she brings up that there should be classes required educating young teens about this before they graduate!

Perhaps you should look at crime talk. Scott gives facts and doesn't guess Brian or Gabby's thoghts

You're right. I just watched this video because I know he will give a very detailed analysis and not a sensationalized report.

Women need to have more of a sense of self worth. Ever person needs to be able to stand alone. A jealous or abusive partner is always toxic & dangerous.

@@faith5563 *says the narcissist of the group*

@@faith5563 Yes, it is the victim's responsibility to be hyper-vigilant, we all know that makes for a fulfilling life. Maybe a better way to phrase that is 'teach your children what not to put up with in a friend or partner'. Most people don't understand what behaviors are abusive until AFTER the relationship is over, and cycles of abuse don't exactly make it easy for one to speak up, when you either suffer the wrath of your abuser for doing so, or no one believes you and thinks you're just telling stories for attention. Also, women are not the only ones who suffer abuse (though we are the victims of it more often, obviously) and humans are a socially cooperative species. Us standing alone makes us dead.

@@chelseahuddle557 you are right about realizing afterwards. My parents were like this and I finally left them after I turned 32. Not that we lived together but very closely, and that gave them too many opportunities to verbally abuse me. My self worth was zero when I was with them. They are unpredictable and manipulative. But they have a humble side to outsiders. I wish them **** but they are living a long life. Recently they talked about buying a spot in a cemetery. I did not want to pay a dime. They should dig their own grave.

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Your Welcome...

Me too!

Dr Grande is always on it!

I think Grande's analysis of Brian is something a woman on The View would think up. I think Brian was a pretty good guy with a deeply suppressed psychopathic tendency and Gabby was a in the same way suppressing some manner of psychological issue probably caused by genetics or childhood trauma. They were both broken people and that's what made them latch on to one another. I don't think it happened but it wouldn't surprise me at all if Gabby actually told Brian to kill her. It's much more complicated a relationship than Grande is characterizing it and Brian wasn't the clear cause he's making him out to be. Brain felt guilt in the end and he killed himself out in the middle of nowhere just like he did to Gabby, there's plenty to read into that than just a murderous psycho going out to off himself so he doesn't have to pay for his crime. He paid for his crime himself by his own choice and manner and I believe guilt was a major factor.

@@AudioGardenSlave123 Disagree IMO Brian did not want to spend the rest of his life in a cage. He loved the outdoors too much to psychologically face life in prison. He was thinking of himself once again.

100%

Well said.

Cara Garnier That's a very good point! That officer meant well, but fuel was added to the fire, because of it....

That's what I was thinking also. The police in-action caused Gappy's death.

Agreed, but I think the police tried to do the right thing. Brian was a great actor.

Rational thinking

blame the true crime fans too

His PARENTS are SUSPECT ! They KNEW he was _______🤪😒

they just conformed the remains a few hours before this video came out

I wonder why you'd be surprised by that. That he killed himself was a popular (and the most reasonable) assumption about what happened since the day he went missing.

Phuq Brian Laundrie

@@keonblizzy3706 what happened to him? How did he die?

@@FromRussia_wLuv He probably took his life out in the Florida bog or around there then carried off either by shifting water or an animal. Apparently his body was found underwater and deteriorated to his skeleton due to decomposition.

@@theepicduck6922 according to police report he was struck in the head multiple times, As if someone killed him, I’m very interested

@@FromRussia_wLuv it's probable. There are other criminals hidding there in the Florida wilderness. It was against their interest to have "a celebrity criminal" among them.

Tune into Dr. Laura. She has been on the radio for 40 years educating people.

I took a psychology class in junior high in the 90s. I loved it. I think they don't offer that anymore. Sad.

Truth! I always have thought the same thing.

I had psychology in high school. The instructor needs to be very good like the I had. He was like a father to us. He told every girl in class how guys can act to get what they want.

I feel like possibly he was narcissistic but … if he killed himself… that is an emotional based thing… which narcissist dont have any empathy ?

And yes Psychology is important. After what I experienced very similar to Gabbys and BL I dug around and researched and learned A LOT and it made me realize I wasn’t crazy, I was just in the hands of a demon basically because they are like chameleons and can show you this charm and then you see the true them and its scary as shit.

Brian will answer to a higher authority.

Glad I wasn't alone in feeling my soul harrowed up over this. Since it all began 2 mos ago ? until this anti-climax, I've been distracted, obsessed w/ the news, depressed and anxious, panicky, now in mourning, feeling all is lost. It's brought back so many disturbing thoughts and issues.

I just got out of my own toxic relationship 4 years ago and could not watch the footage and will not. I believe this girl, cause I’ve been this girl. Law enforcement has failed another life. I was put into court against my abuser, he won the case. I see this so often among women, the justice system doesn’t believe them.

And he took the cowards way out.

Yes they did

I wonder why he took his backpack and dry bag knowing he was going to kill himself???

The road to hell is paved with "good" intentions...

@@sheilagravely5621 probably wanted to spend some more time with himself before doing it. Maybe some last thinking. Its not like going there and insta kill himsef.

Actually, since I've really been watching all the details that were happening daily, there really were so many issues that did not make sense. And, Doctor Grande may have not heard; but yes they are continuing the Investigation, big time. There's much still very unanswered here. They are looking into how Brian really died, if they can figure it out. They have an Anthropologist reviewing the skull & bones and all left of Brian. And still, as the FBI said yesterday, they do not continue this to be closed at all. They need specific answers to who, for sure, did kill her. They said it's one thing to think you know for sure, but in their line of work, they have to get as close to positive 100% as they can... Because as one LE person explained, yes it most likely was Brian that killed her, but,,,the parents are just in shock. They've known Brian since they were young...One law enforcement PR agent did state, that, in a 1 or 2% chance,, that Brian found her already dead, or what if he saw someone do it?! Not very likely, but these are the questions that forensics wants for sure, and the parents do. And no, they may not find out, but there are a few different ways ie where DNA was found on her body etc etc that can prove even more still. So no, the FBI in Denver are not done. They want to be able to now hopefully, prove as much as possible, that Brian did do it, for sure. Plus, his parents deserve to know the full truth. I mean, if it was not him, and he found her, he'd get so panicked and scared, he would prob flee in a panic. Maybe thinking the killer close by too...And in his panicked mind, he'd prob be thinking that he would get blamed for it so, he wasn't thinking clearly and took off grieving and scared. I don't think that's likely, but her parents really want to know, if possible. Then, the one thing Dr Grande said at first, wasn't exactly how it happened.. Remember Dr Grande, that when the police stopped them way back in Moab Utah, he was not, or never at fault by those 2 cops that day. They actually blamed Gabby!! Yes they got that call by witness and all, but remember that Gabby did admit to those 2 cops that she did touch or hit him first? Bcuz They did see those 2 big scratches on Brian's faces.. And even at end, they actually called Brian the victim!!! Smh. It was bcuz he had the bad scratches and Gabby admitted it. But, he prob did worse to her, but it just didn't show yet..they separated them for night, then sadly it was very near the end. Sorry so long but since I was really keeping up w all details, I thought I'd fill you in.. Lol. The whole situation is just so very very tragic!!! So unbelievably sad, and I feel so bad for Gabbys parents. But they are turning it into something positive too. The Gabby Petito Foundation. They really want to truly help these women, or men too, to finally leave the DV abuse with help. I also do feel sorry for Brian's parents too... I really do. I feel sorry somewhat for Brian too. Reason is, I'm just very empathetic and sensitive, and I really feel that Brian did have some Mental Health issue that was pretty significant, and since I've been in Mental Health, I just feel badly for these ppl... Is it that the parents didn't pay attention to how he was, it's just SO sad to me, when ppl truly do need help and the ppl they live with can't even tell, or if they do, some parents just don't bother helping their children..And his parents just didn't seem too normal, I believe. I know their lawyer told them to be silent but they could have made brief statement saying they were sad to hear that Gabby passed!? I mean she was going to be their daughter in law!!! Just all their behavior... I got weird vibes off them. It's really too bad and sad that Brian wasn't getting help earlier... Some parents may be ill themselves. Or, some don't pay attention in those days. Just so sad. All of it. 😞😢🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 .

In previous videos, he mentions that between the police encounter and Gabby's death, Brian flew back to Florida to clean out a storage locker, then returned to rejoin Gabby. This interrupts the buildup of rage.

Here is the timeline, available in many places including CNN: August 12 -- the videotaped police encounter we saw August 17 -- Brian flies back to Florida to clean out a storage locker and get some supplies, and possibly money August 23 -- Brian returns to Salt Lake City, rejoins Gabby; they were apart for about 5 or 6 days August 27 -- incident in restaurant, last text from Gabby to parents that was clearly from her By August 30, Gabby was dead. This timeline shows interruptions to the buildup of rage described here. It also shows that *Gabby had a real opportunity to get away,* or at least to talk to someone she trusted, August 17 through 22, *a solid five days.* Something is wrong with this picture.

@@kristinkimberly3469 I really mean this in a nice way, but it probably would’ve been best to make this your own comment instead of a reply to mine. It’s unclear to me the point you’re trying to make, as well. I already knew all of this and I wasn’t talking about any of the details you mentioned honestly. What I meant by my comment is that ppl are insinuating crazy circumstances for all of these instances, where Dr Grande gave a logical analysis that shows WHY all of this MAY have happened. He never stated this was the end, case closed. I’ve followed the case since gabby went missing and I was making my comment on what I have seen from Facebook groups. People keep saying nothing adds up and none of it makes sense.. but when 2+2=4 and with the reasoning Dr Grande explained in his analysis, it makes more sense and shows you just need to understand Brian’s reasoning in this whole thing. Like he said, it’s just his analysis on the info he has read up on.

@@l.w.paradis2108 Gabby most likely didn’t feel like she was in danger until the moment she was was murdered. You’re missing the part where he mentioned they may have had a toxic relationship and these occurrences of them fighting the way they did was normal for them. Build up of rage does not have to be all within that whole time they spent together.. yes, they had that incident at the restaurant. So if that continued from them leaving, he really could’ve been so angry with gabby that things escalated to no return. These things aren’t always black and white. People can hold emotions and it just takes one thing that sets them off.

As long as it's taught from the point of view of reality, like f.ex. the sex doesn't matter, anyone can be a narcissist etc. Just in terms of recent times and the trend of politicizing certain subjects, specifically as if women are incapable of said thing, and that only men do it. The reality of narcissism is just that it's more obvious when a man is a narcissist, not just because men on average has a greater tendency for violent behaviour compared to women, narcissist or not, but also because men tend to be grandiose narcissists, and women tend to be vulnerable narcissists. Vulnerable narcissists are very hard to notice unless you spend enough time with them in a close relationship. I have nothing against talking about "DV, consent, sexual assault, sexual harassment, and coercive control in relationships" in school, but i despise the direction these subjects have already taken in public discourse, and going by that, i don't want that to be taught in school, the reality of these things yes, the ideological version no chance.

Schools are having a hard time of it just trying to educate students on basic subjects. Yet people seem to keep coming up with more and more ideas about things which should be "taught in school." Kids would be in school 16 hours a day, 12 months a year, in order to receive instruction on all the subjects people suggest should be "taught in school." And they still would not get to subjects such as English, History, Math, etc. Schools cannot take over all parental responsibilities, nor would most parents want them to. I believe it's a good idea for students to learn about the above subjects, but they can do so through a variety of sources such as their parents, their peers, other adults in their lives, and the society we live in, which is already addressing these issues, and not through our already overburdened schools.

@@natekeyes2297 Sexual education can be learned from peers and society, yet it's much more beneficial to be taught in school. Why should subjects concerning one's mental health and well-being be different?

@@EclecticallyEccentric Because, again, schools cannot have all aspects of a person's development dumped on them. They are not a catch-all answer to society's ills. Their primary purpose is to teach academic subjects. Mental health and well-being are important as are many other social and personal issues, but it is not the role of public schools to address all aspects of a person's life, and they don't have the time or the resources to do this and still teach academic subjects. Our public schools as a whole are not doing well in terms of test scores and the knowledge levels of students at all levels. We need to concentrate our efforts and time on improving the results of basic education, which again is declining in this country. I believe that a good basic education, which increases the ability to advance further in higher education, or to seek out other opportunities in life, greatly improves an individual's mental health, sense of well being, and self esteem.

We already knew what he told us...

@@Vigdisnet I've gone through it in my head several times today. there is no way that a person can accidentally strangle another person. That is entirely too personal and too physical of an act for that to happen accidentally. There's nothing I could have happened that warranted that sort of behavior.

Tragic 😪

I agree! Such a tragic waste.

@@immanuelsuleiman7550 you’re right…it’s apparently a lot more difficult and takes a lot longer than movie depictions….he knew what he was doing. RIP Gabby….

that's how I felt today, just so very sad....

it is scary for all of us in narc relationships

They all end with some form of trauma due to emotional and psychological abuse, and they often end in violence.

Totally. Thank God you are out. If it's in your power do your best to warn any new partner of his. If they don't pay attention to you at least at some point they will say she was right.

I am glad You are out, too! I got out from one in 2017.

Good for you in leaving. In general, abuse only gets worse. You are right in believing you no doubt saved your own life. May God continue to guide you to a safe and happy future. 🙏🌺

@@No-Name-f8p Praise God, good for you!!!

So sorry it happened to you as well. I too was with a narcissist for 8 years, I left the night he threaten to kill me. Big hugs to you xx

And if you slip up and picked the wrong one… Don’t try to fix them, The inherent nature of a narcissist makes this virtually impossible. Instead, RUN. The sooner, the better.

@@mulliganstew72 and don't have kids with them

unfortunately women will ignore this and continue to chase toxic men because they're "exciting".

@Jammy2600 woman and men are brainwashed by the media, to want these types of toxic relationships. We all need to use our own decernment.

I think people confuse the drama, jealousy, etc of a toxic relationship with romance and excitement. So I agree.

Narcissist behavior in relationships usually do not surface immediately. Once the victim is aware of the personality disorder, it's hard to break away from the controlling partner. You do not want to inflame their rage. They can be very dangerous mentally and physically, excellent at game playing to win the battle.

@@fenderblue9485 exactly. I wasyoung and naive, but my ex appeared very normal, although I could see his family were all thugs. After the marriage he would try to hurt me and started killing animals, in particular, my beloved cat. He stole as much as he could from me, my dad, and confiscated our joint bank account!! My dad helped me stay strong and I eventually got away from this creep.

I still feel bad for the police officers. It must be difficult for them, now when they realize how badly they were manipulated and what sad consequences this led to...

Yeah, I've been wanting to see the conversation with the female and Gabby. I think she was a Park Ranger though and maybe didn't have a body cam.

@@michaelsergejhelgesson7889 no, they where redpilled from the manosphere and did bro code. They where called for the 911 call on Brian and the official protocol was for the police to either, arrest him or give him a citation even if she did hit him in self defense. In addition he locked her out ofher van and he should have been arrested for attempted robbery. On top of that in the full police video the Police mention Gabby had marks but they chose to focus on Brian’s marks as these idiots gave him a speech on how men have rights too. At the end they gave Brian a hotel room and had gabby sleep in her van. In this part of the country women disappear all the time and are abducted, kidnapped and murdered, not males.

@@sunmoonstars0369 gabby owned the van and asked to stay with it.

@@jaelynn7575 Correct. She was not a Moab city cop and thus, no body cam, altho apparently she made a statement somewhere on YT which I've not seen.

Yes.

I'm not wasting too much concern for Brian Laundrie and those members of his family whose cooperation with law enforcement was hardly energetic. I'm not even sure tragedy is the right word which to me implies some horrible twist of fate. This was a thoroughly nasty individual who throttled the life out of his supposed partner whose life he had evidently made a misery long before he finally snapped. That he boxed himself into a position where he had two choices, to either hand himself in and face life in prison or take his own life, is purely a consequence of his own actions. I'm sure that realisation was thoroughly unpleasant for him but he has no one to blame but himself and deserves no compassion.

@@simonw1313 Yes! And let’s not forget about the cold hearted parents that refused to speak to the Petito family even before Gabby was reported missing. Evidently, they knew or suspected that their son did something terrible to Gabby’s and gave them that silent treatment with no compassion whatsoever….I have NO compassion for the Laundries!

His parents deserve it tho for how they treated Gabby’s family through the whole process 💅

@@KaribeCuebas most certainly they knew just how horrid their son was a human being.

Totally agree and you've expressed this so well.

This is why I subscribed to this channel

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They will not get help with their issues they live their life bulldozing people around them. That's what makes them cowards. GET some much needed THERAPY. They are not happy productive people they are miserable.

I think DV is super hot 😍😍😍

Gabby petito > Rick Pitino

Agreed. One of your best videos, Dr Grande.

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most likely that was his chance to say goodbye. he knew what he was going to do and wanted one last hurrah before the end

Maybe the family was scouting out locations for Brian to hide out. The parents did seem to know exactly where to find brian.

People like him I would think are grand manipulators. I think he probably was able to manipulate his parents all his life. And instead of seeing a problem with it being on going with one person after the next, they blamed society for his problems and catered to him. I bet he fed them some shit like he just beat her up because she made him feel cornered. I would blame them for being the type of parents who couldn’t fault their own son for anything. That’s where they messed up. And now, unfortunately because I wouldn’t wish the death of anyone’s child on them, they are suffering the consequence of what they created. Those should’ve, could’ve, would’ve’s are a bitch because it’s too late.

@BR549....the speed and ease with which you move from one insufficiently supported assumption to the next is breathtaking.

This entire channel is speculation... Dr. Grande says so at the beginning of every video.

Unfortunately, society teaches to believe in happily ever after & that love conquers all & becoming sexually involved before one is ready for a relationship all contributes to toxic relationships.

No, it wasn’t. He would have looked at other social disorders, some of which were far more dominant here than narcissism…or would have emphasized that sometimes there is no disorder at all.

@Seven Inches of Throbbing Pink Jesus I sometimes wonder that since Dr. Grande addresses narcissism so much, this comments section is filled with nothing but narcissists or those who suffered at the hands of one...so everything they think they see is narcissism. Thus, making your point hit home...if everyone becomes a narcissist then we don't have narcissists anymore.

You got that right!!! 😉👍🦉

I have come to the same conclusion as I have got older too.

In my younger days, we have a course Good Manners and Right Conduct. We are taught of Obedience to parents, Respect and help the elderly, goodness and kindness to everyone, Cleanliness is next to Godliness, Follow the 10C, etc..

They can most definitely cut out a semester every few years for a student to implement that kind of development.

Mental health/ psychology is a new form of science. Math has been here for thousands of years, so yes it is very important and needs to be taught in school. Math helps with critical thinking, and problem solving skills. With that being said a lot of cultures outside of the USA teach their children about interpersonal relationships in the family setting. I think that’s where USA lacks is that a lot of families are isolated and don’t have a strong support system to talk about their personal relationships. No culture is perfect but we can learn from one another to protect our families and children.

is he related to Ariana?

I do as well! Especially after this case, so similar to my marriage (I have been divorced for over 6 years now), I am so grateful to be alive! I really hope that this will open many peoples eyes! All the people in abusive relationships will realize that they could be Gabby. And I hope this is a lesson as well for parents that have an abusive son/daughter, not to try and protect them from consequences of their actions and to turn them over to the police. Or they could end up dead as well!

I agree with you-I too am someone who also got away. Based on experience, I recognized what was unfolding in this case and therefore am not surprised at the outcome. Dr. Grande summarized it well.

Yes yes and yes. I’ve had two very different types of mates but the narcissistic traits were identical. They cross the boundaries of intelligence, accomplishments and status. It’s disturbing how easily a victim can become ensnared in their horrible traps. It usually starts with Love Bombing so that should be a First Warning to get permanently distanced before it’s too late.

@@amyrussell860 so glad your okay 🙏🌻💝

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agreed

Sorry to ask, but are you asking this of the US education system? I only wonder because my 14yr old twins have had; and continue to have; compulsory sex ed, relationships safety, computer usage, drug abuse, abortion etc etc, during secondary school education here in GB. Just wondering how wide spread this teaching is around the world? I’m sure it’s never enough. My eldest daughter still ended in a quite controlling relationship at only 18. I hope this case brings important education issues to the fore. Many blessings. 🔮🕯✨🌙🕯✨🔮

Parents should teach that

I'm so glad you escaped your horrible situation and found happiness.

What a lovely ending to a nightmarish story. I'm happy for you that you made it out and found a truly good and worthy man. I hope your kids are doing alright. Take care.

I'm so glad to you managed to move on from him and have been so happy since. You could perhaps still speak with a therapist to help you deal with the ongoing feelings? It's not too late. Thank you for sharing. ❤

I am grateful to be able to read your comment; you are alive and mentally healthy enough to share it. 💜 Thank you. 🙏🏻

Your story could be my story..I’m eighty six now, five children, escaped with my etc. etc. we need much more education from a very early age upon respect for self.

I agree 100 percent, all of it is awful and sad.

agree.

Very Tragic and pointless

Gabby and Brian lived in a condo, not at Brian's parents house.

Great point.

@@bunnyheywood His parents owned the condo, right?

I wholeheartedly agree. It happens SO slowly; almost imperceptibly. The analogy to a frog being boiled alive is perfect. If you turn up the heat quickly the frog jumps out immediately; but if you turn the heat very slowly the frog(victim) barely perceives the heat. They will be slowly be boiled alive. As a survivor of DV this is the best analogy I’ve come across.

Brian and Gabby lived in a condo owned and paid for by Brian's parents, but not with them.

The fact that Laundries lives seem to be troubled from the get go and Gabby got involved.

Assumption's.

@@missm4619 are you serious, look at how parents raise their kids today. A large percentage of parents will do anything to protect their kid (adult).

@@missm4619, I would imagine they made poor decisions out of fear and concern for their son. Maybe not right, but none of us truly know what we’d do in the same situation.

@Patricia Baylor~ Most people would not ignore the phone calls of the grief stricken parents of their own child's murder victim's parents and would have their own kid by the neck walking him down to the Police Department RIGHT THE HELL NOW the day their kid comes home alone from a cross country road-trip they went on TOGETHER, driving the missing one's van. Sorry, but that's just too much. There are a lot of raunchy parents today , it's true. But decency still exists in many families, although it IS slipping with every year, and there are alot of covert narcissists around, too. The ones who hide behind gentle mannerisms and pretend to be modest.

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I think the parents viewed the camping trip as the last time the family would ever be together. A form of goodbye.

Or fake a death

The camping reservations were made months before. They were just robotically going with the plan. What else to do? Sit in the house. Really guys…….

@@elsagrace3893 "One day before Laundrie returned home on September 1, his mother, Roberta, cancelled reservations she had made on August 24 for two people at Soto Park Campground in Saint Petersberg, Florida between September 1 and September 3. Three days later, on September 3, Roberts made a new reservation at the same campground, though this time for three people over the weekend of September 6-8, according to the documents obtained by Fox News. The Laundries are recorded as having checked into the campground on September 6 and checked out on September 8, the documents say." Really, elsa...get your facts straight, OK?

We don't know how he died, perhaps it happened during that trip, whether by his own hand or by one of his parent's.

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i believe that he went to say his goodbyes, a last hurrah, likely knowing what he would do soon after.

I don't get that either..HOW?

He's a psychopath, that's how!

Brian knows that vacations are an important aspect in relieving stress.

Aside from the fact we still have no actual proof he was the murderer, he might have been so unhinged by the experience that he repressed the memory, or killed her when he was not in a normal state of mind (maybe in such a rage his mind snapped, maybe on drugs, maybe in a psychotic state, etc.). In the end there have been many reports of him acting weird, he might have had a serious psychiatric condition. I could imagine a scenario where him and Gabby had an explosive break-up, it went badly wrong and he suddenly found himself alone with not much of a clue about what had happened except she'd left him, so he drove home upset about the breakup and his parents took him camping to take him out of himself, unaware he'd done something terrible beyond taking her van, her credit card and possibly her phone (which would already have been bad enough). In that light it would make sense, and possibly also explain why his parents gave Gabby's family the cold shoulder when they reached out and felt the need to consult with a lawyer - not for murder, but for theft and for putting her in danger by abandoning her with no resources. It's just a speculation of course. You can pretty much make up any story you like based on the few facts we have.

Curiosity: That’s not necessarily true. People can be changed by love, greatly! This depends on the situation, circumstances, and those involved. The type of love is also important. For example, having a malignant narcissistic mother insured that I never had any “genuine” love from her. My father love me, but could not really show it, as I don’t think he really knew how. I never knew love between two people even when I as married. I only know love from my pets, as I never loved a man. Infatuation and sex are not love.

@@suzannebrown2505 People can be changed by love, but NOT narcissists.

Unfortunately a lot of parents teach their children all the wrong things & young girls specifically are told that they should stay loyal & stick it out (a bad relationship) parents need to let their children know if someone shows red flags, especially any hint of violence, that’s it is perfectly okay to leave that person. There are so many people in this world, no need to force a toxic situation to work

'I think Brian Laundrie was hooked on Drugs for a long time. This would explain his behavior of not caring about killing her out in the open. Driving her van back home, not talking too the police. Not caring about what he put his own parents through! Running from the police! 'I don't believe Brian Laundrie plan too kill Gabby. 'I think he was high and they were arguing and he snapped and killed her! 'I think Gabby knew he was on drugs and that created a lot of problems in their Relationship!.. She loved him and wanted him too change and he wasn't going too. Drugs will cause you to do some Crazy, things!! He just looked and acted like he was a druggie too me! People on drugs don't care about anything but getting drugs. They may have got in an argument about his drugs and he killed her! When you're hooked on Drugs your partner can't help you! They Can get you help if they want it, She probably didn't tell her parents! She thought she could change him! You can't change someone' unless they want to be change! Drugs will make you abuse and kill!

That is true William so true my stepmom was one of them she was abusive to my dad and he had a hard time getting rid of her

Maybe they were having rough s3x and gabby liked to be chocked. And Brian panicked after accidentally killing her

Actually the Petito family doesn't have to go through a trial where their daughter would without a doubt have been slandered and accused of everything under the sun by BL and his family. The Petito family doesn't have to go through lengthy appeals process where, in the end, justice might not be served by a technicality or what have you. The death of BL is closure and the best possible outcome for the Petito family. Was it cowardly of BL? 100%. But the Petito family doesn't have to endure the lengthy trial process and can finally get some closure now that his remains have been found. That's my opinion, anyway. Thoughts?!

Also, do you really think he would have ever admitted the reason why he did what he did?! Guarentee he would have played the victim as a lot of abusers do when caught. This is the best possible outcome for the Petito family

@@chandracox6814 Yes.

@@fauxbro1983 highly unlikely. All of his actions before and after the murder prove this as well. The most obvious answer is usually the answer.

They DID NOT CARE!

They did see it and BL mom hated Gabby..called her The Hag

They didn't live with his parents, his parents paid their rent on a different house to where his parents lived

@@accesstotheredcarpet and they never got the police in earlier

@@urbancyclist1 a neighbour saw brian abuse gabby while they were outside and rang the cops but they didn’t do anything but the parents definitely knew about it and his mum would belittle gabby

Yes - because people raised by narcissistic, highly dysfunctional, or maladaptive people don’t always spot red flags well. You’d think they’d be experts at it, having spent so much time around them, but they’re numbed out to them because red flags have been their normal. They have a high tolerance for pain (they’ve had to, to survive) and weren’t shown healthy ways of relating by their caregivers. They also often have insecure attachment styles due to their parenting, which can get them into dysfunctional situations they don’t know are unhealthy.

Hello 👋 how are you doing today”...

I find it too monotonous and hard to listen without getting terribly bored. 😂 No matter how exciting the topic is. He also makes weird pauses that disrupt the flow of sentences.

I see it wouldn't take much to get one over on you .. these are the types that you have to watch out for , by the way what's your address !!! ..

I would not hold my breath waiting for Brian’s parents to talk. U know they will keep quiet.

@@Warriorcock6969 last month the area was underwater and the conditions were terrible for the search . The place is filled with snakes and all kind of creatures and searchers were up to their chest in water filled with goodness knows what dangers .

They will not talk. That’s their son. You know how ppl are about their sons. They know exactly what happened.

@Solitude Standing11 Not to forget to mention he still was their son. Surprised people seem to forgetting that as to why he might have been treated lightly by his family given the situation.

so selfish lol. this isnt so you can be entertained, leave the family alone.

I am a 66 year old woman who was never a "frog." I'm frustrated with so many women of any age who put up with any kind of abuse. And Gabby had escape routes. Not married to Brian, no kids, and parents to support her if necessary. I'll never understand.

@@GoGreen1977 Exactly!

@@GoGreen1977 she might have tried to escape or made up her mind to leave brian - and that is exactly when he snapped and killed her. don't victim blame.

Yep, I spent almost 30 years of being gaslighted and cheated on. It wasn’t until I checked his phone and had proof. He’s still being a d*ck, but at least I’m alive. Narcissist , sociopathic men, combined with toxic masculinity is a problem for all women.

Very helpful comment! Plus, when we're young, we REALLY believe that if we love them long enough and strong enough, they will come to realize that love conquers all. But it never happens that way.

Hedgy, dodgy analysis IMO. Either neglectful or naive in not mentioning his theory of the parents role.. and, to be clear.. nothing about Dr. Grande strikes me as naive. Does come across, however, as trying to stay off the radar of a lawsuit by the parents. Still, there are ways to say things without saying anything and it would have been nice to know what he thought.

This is a great question and I'd love to hear Dr Grande's answer too!

Ooooh! I like it!

The psychology of protesting is interesting but if you want a simplistic definition is it gives people meaning. People that have a lot going on in their lives don't go protest, as their desire for influence is satisfied through competence in their daily lives.

Attention honey, just wants attention

Yes! I, too, would love to understand the mentality behind this. VERY good question, Natalie! However, I'm not sure if I see it as a good thing. It almost seems... disingenuous (???); not sure if that's the word that best describes how I feel THEY feel.