@@bentknee5924 or watches a lot of entertainment videos and isn't interested in the political stuff some people might not really interact with stuff like that
Seein a lot of hate on Ak, but y’all gotta appreciate that MOST Americans probably feel the same way he does about socialism. You cannot underestimate the power of YEARS of capitalist dogma conditioning a person’s mind, and Ak being somewhat receptive of hasans points (in front of his large audience) is ultimately a good thing. Most ppl are conditioned to shut their brains off at the slightest mention of socialism/communism
a lot of people (particularly in the US) can’t fathom how their views might often align so closely with a socialist’s. if he clicked over to hasan’s stream and watched an hour or two every now and then, it’s not unimaginable that they’ve heard bits and pieces they agree with and either don’t think socialists would agree with it or straight up don’t realize they’re listening to socialist talking points. sometimes americans think everything is communism, except for actual fucking communism lol
@@swayback7375 Yeah, he probably only sees Hasan in the dodgy framework of "debate" streamers because he's political. If I *really* wanted to give an unflattering speculation, I'd say that he only watched Hasan because he gave pushback to Andrew Tate.
"You have a lot of money, why don't you redistribute your wealth." Instantly a complete clown to me. Thank God for people like Hasan that are knowledgeable and patient enough to explain these concepts to people.
My man(ak) just went on a crazy incoherent rant about the inner workings of a white supremacist society, got damn near all of it wrong using only anecdotes, and then told on himself by saying he was a sociology major and was drunk every single time he went to class. Incredible
Only drunk person here is probably you since you just imagined a whole different video lol If you think most of what Hasan said was anecdotal, aside from the bits where he admits he isnt knowledgeable on, you are pretty ignorant bro. Dude pulled out GRAPHS and you calling it anedotes.
Lmao I was so confused about his ineptitude towards solving socioeconomic problems after he said he also majored in sociology, but he put me at ease by explaining that he slept through all of those classes
I honestly don't know why people talk shit about liberal arts degrees. I'm currently a computer engineering (3rd year) student and the most intellectually challenging course I've taken was an elective on political science. There was so much reading, analysis, research and essay writing that I worked my ass off and still ended up with a B, which slightly lowers my overall GPA but it's still one of the course I look back on and think "I'm glad I took that".
@@kinghassy334 People discredit social sciences but they are very literally the study of how people exist, function and have interacted with each other throughout history. We’ve come up with science to soar deep into space and to fly large metal objects through the sky, yet our brain, the very thing we produce ideas from is life’s greatest mystery
This was really frustrating to watch at some points when Ak was missing the larger points that Hasan was bringing to the table, but it was actually a great discussion when he was breaking down socialism for a non-political normie like Ak and I think this is a good basis on how to seriously discuss modes of production to regular people.
I don't think he missed most points, he just wanted to shift the goal post or force through his side because he didn't want to be the "loser" of this discussion, imo. Because he *did* come off as an Andrew Tate type of conversationalist.
@@tyrayentali7041 as much as i personally clown on DJ AK on a daily basis to my friends, family, and coworkers, i really think he was just not getting it and wasnt trying to be malicious/bad faith. For him to get it i think hasan would have to go through a whole crash course on socialism, capitalism, the history of studying crime, probably even a bit of CRT. Hasan was basically explaining only a small part of all this and i dont think AK was looking at the bigger picture, he was looking at it from the perspective of someone fully immersed in hip hop culture
@@dillonsmith3633 “No no but it’s meritocratic you know?!? Like the black people dying of poverty in Atlanta - they DESERVE it because they lazyyy” 🙄 This debate was absolute torture I would have screamed at that guy
@@dillonsmith3633 mom set up her son for success. my mom did the same, sucks but that's how it works and I make sure my mom is doing better now. You guys don't even have a good system in showcase yet. Rag all you want on capitalism but at the end of the day it's miles better than what you lot have to offer us.
Akademiks seemingly insinuating that violence is caused by violent music is the exact reason we say correlation doesn’t equal causation. Ak doesn’t seem to realize that deteriorating material conditions leads to more violence leads to the rise of “violent music” because art is a reflection of your reality. It isn’t the other way around.
@@renee7271 or maybe it's influenced by the landslide of an economy both the US and UK are in right now. Like, sure, drill music got more popular, but we have also entered our 3rd recession in 30 years. Idk, maybe people having trouble affording food and gas has more to do with robbery than rap music.
@@renee7271 this is a stupid point and it's clearly debunked by statistics. Will some people do dumb shit because they saw or heard it somewhere? yes very very few. does the music make people behave that way on a meaningful level? absolutely not. I know you aren't to bright but tell me what country you lived in I don't think you actually live in the safest country and tell me the year you were growing up and I'll show you a higher crime rate with more people getting robbed then right now. This is no different from people saying "when I was a kid everything was so much better we used to leave our doors open until them violent moving pictures came out now I have to look behind me everywhere I go" when in reality what you should be saying is "when I was a kid I was even dumber than I am now and had no real concept of the things going on around me therefore I incorrectly believe things that factually aren't true because of dumbness flawed memory and nostaliga" oh and let me guess movies TV music etc all used to be better back then as well? what else? did the food taste better as well? I don't know how grown adults don't understand this simple concept when I was a kid walking around doing kid shit I felt safe and saw no crime then as I got a little older I thought "wow this area is really going to shit" but once I reached the age of adulthood I realized it was always like that it just didn't register because I was exposed to the reality over time there is actually less crime and less homeless people etc etc in my area then when I was young. I'm sorry but you are braindead. This is literally like saying "hmm things have really changed around here this counter shrank??? it mustve because it used to be taller than me when I was 6!!!!" 💀
This "reflection of the environment argument" is such a played out and tiring excuse. AK is clearly talking about individuals and groups in hip hop involving themselves in street crime, beefs and drug dealing. It's a difference between rapping about said conditions and actively engaging in it.
Also no one is saying metal music and moshing causes violence (not anymore at least) this is just more 'black people are scary and dangerous' bull but pus forward by a black grifter who PROFITED off the deaths of impoverished black people in Chicago.
@@renee7271 there's both, violent music glorifying gang violence will incite gang violence, he realises it better than you do. The point is that there are other problems that are more important factors, uk drill rappers were literally inciting their gang members to up kill numbers, the people dying in these are minorities. Most of the violent crimes in impoverished regions are caused by gang violence, galvanising murder is bad for any community. Of course there are other strong factors that makes it so that violence and criminality are perpetuated but music does play a part.
I mean yeah on the one side you dont wanna start a conflict with a influencial person and fanbase and on the other you want to take the discussion to change the opinion of the people watching. When it comes to chatters Hasan is clearly sometimes quick to pop off but it's hard for me to criticize when he reads braindead trolls all day every day and then he does give people a second chance so yeah
With all due respect, you don't deal with flies like you do with a bull. I'm not comparing every chatter to a fly and every guest with a bull, but it's always more exasperating to deal with multiple text messages that can try to bother him for the lulz than having a one on one conversation with someone who sometimes can talk in bad faith or being smart as a brick.
Everything this guy's mother struggled with after moving to America is something socialism is actively trying to make better, yet he thinks her struggles and his subsequent success are good points in favour of "meritocracy". This is some of the best proof I've ever seen that people approve of socialist goals until you call them socialist.
@@trapmar7214 it seems like Myron never likes it when it’s on an even playing field. Gets “influencers” and debates them after they’ve been drinking. Then when they get mad from his constant berating of women he kicks them out. He also interrupts constantly but never lets anyone interrupt him. Total cocksmoker
Lot of this was pretty frustrating, especially when Ak literally said Hasan destroyed Tate by using empirical evidence, then Ak comes and does the exact same thing as Tate to say "rappers are inciting violence on this street, therefore the entire city has increased violence due to rappers," pure anecdotes. There was a lot of "I agree with you on this, but now I'm gonna throw out made up anecdotes to disprove the thing we just agreed on." I do hope he at least got something out of this since Hasan taught him a lot, and he was listening, but to Tate and Pim Tool simps, I can't imagine he soaked much in. It wasn't a total disaster at least, Ak was pretty respectful.
Bro if u are entuned to the scene mutiple beefs and killings has happened ovr music, drill music is my fav genre since 2019 and if u do any research u would kno.
@@kofi6239 If you looked at statistics you'd know. You can't say a rapper started violence on a single street therefore the entire city has higher crime cause of music. Don't be daft. Look at statistics, not anecdotes. Only dummies rely on anecdotes. Don't be a Tate.
@@Purpletrident no obviously the starting factor was socioeconomic status. Wat im saying is that there r deaths and beefs that happened specificLly cause of music. Im not gonna name it here cause thats federal but heres an example. Blocm A and Block B are linked up fighting Block C. If artists from Block A and B cause them to seperate, mutiple killings and violence happenes as a direct consequence of that for mutiple yrs u should actually try and listen to sum1 who understands sum of these places instead of asumin 'im daft'
@@kofi6239 obviously there’s revenge killings and such, but that’s always been known. The point is that this music isn’t encouraging any more violence outside of that sphere, and it would still be happening with or without the music. The only way to stop the cycle is to nip it in the bud and fix the conditions for the next generation
@@steverz91 naw I think he was legit. He said he “watched” hasan, what that means is he saw him debate Andrew Tate. And proceeded to reasearch him kinda
Most people hold similar views, but not having someone pain the full landscape for you can leave you missing the forest through the trees constantly. We’ve all been where’s he’s at in some way
I don't get what the disagreement was about. It seemed like Hasan would explain his position ak would agree, then disagree and go back and forth on the same point. The tim pool is rubbing off on him I think.
Wasn’t expecting this crossover 😂. Hearing DJ akademics focus more on rap music instead of systemic issues and seeing police as the solution is wild to me. Hes a 40 year old white man to me now
It was really interesting to see AK edge being socialist only to revert back to the propaganda. When the conversation came to his mom and how hard she work AK switched the narrative from you get out what you put in to how your work passes down the generations. Ending up contradiction himself just to hold the same stance, and he still refused to see the other side.
A thing I've found with talking to and hearing from people with a similar level of indoctrination that Akademiks has, is that when you break it down for them on a systemic level, they cannot pull themselves away from looking at things from a solely individual point of view that usually pertains to things from their own lived experience or just shit they've heard. Break down adequate social safety nets and the immediate jump is, "oh what about the type of person I know that will take advantage of it and just sit at home and be lazy". When talking about gang violence in O Block, Akademiks can't look passed his view of, these people are just different and must inherently be prone to this behavior and this fact is reinforced, because I know them and have witnessed it firsthand, when in reality the experience of O Block is nothing special in terms of actually breaking down cycles of poverty and violence in a community. As usual, not Akademiks (or anyone elses for that matter) fault, because he lacks an actual framework to analyze these issues with any clarity. Obviously not going to reform my mans in a 2 hour talk, but its incredibly frustrating trying to give people the tools to analyze their realities and have them see that attempt be nothing more than you trying to challenge/shut down their identity, which is almost always tied to a loose amalgamation of ideas conditioned into them that hasnt had adequate deconstruction applied to why they are even there in the first place.
@@theanimerapper6351 My brother the material condition of O Block has lead to the current cultural dynamic. The shooting didnt come first, the poverty did.
this makes me so sad tbh as a black person I see a lot of what Dj Akademiks is saying coming from my own family members. It signifies the success of white supremacy and the hold it has on our people. I am also from Connecticut but I am from a part that hasan probably has never been too I am from south eastern Connecticut which is substantially less wealthy than the Fairfield county side. So i can speak from my own perspective on what Dj was saying about dangerous areas. I live in new london which has a large POC population and our local government has defunded so many social programs. I grew up in new london public schools and hasan's argument is basically as simple as this, if you have leaking ceilings, broken roads, inadequate education opportunities, if you have to share a crumbling textbook with three people thats out dated you will grow to feel as though your community and local official's do not give a single fuck about you. Iff you rightfully believe that they don't give a fuck about you then why would you care? If there are no opportunities for upward mobility or material advantages that the white communities around you benefit from then how can you lift your yourself out of your material reality? I always go back to my favorite quote from Steven Jay Gould, " I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." How can black people benefit from nepotism or meritocracy if from their start they weren't allowed to build the foundations of those two things?
I have no idea what ak was talking about. But I did love that he said you can't talk about your past if you no longer live there. Like that's called memories my guy....
Akademiks arguments are all just "what aboutism" what about labels? What about rappers? What about Durk? Bro its all bad and what you did was bad too. I dont get why he cant just admit that he did a bad thing
@@IMCJODAN except he has never said he is a practicing muslim, he just grew up muslim in turkey which as a country has a trend of secularism amd islam as culture not religion
1:21:02 As someone who was able to fairly easily get through a German degree major and an Art History minor and go on to find a stable benefitted desk job in the a completely different industry, my merits have had very little to do with my life. It is undeniable. I was just born in the right place and coincidentally met the right opportunities. Edit because I just played the video a little longer: This is as a daughter of an immigrant mother who had the privilege of a dad who moved them to the US in a place with a nice zip code.
I just enjoyed this conversation cause it just snowballs to what hasan can teach at the least Ak's fanbase to understand the bigger picture than being biased in one location.
This was the only reason I was happy they kept talking. Hopefully some of AK’s fans heard Hasan out and learned a few things. Maybe they’ll move over to this side of RU-vid where creators aren’t preaching capitalistic ideals.
Dude seriously when hasan started bringing Ak’s viewpoint farther and farther to look at the bigger picture I was so giddy. Because legitimately that’s what every should do, look at the bigger picture
Bruh, I deal with this type of interaction way too often. Growing up in Brooklyn I literally seen how brainwashed we as a people have become. The system is hard at work til this day.
@@pitipuziko3555 there’s a trade off to every kind of medium. Hasan does this medium pretty well, ny point is that criticizing hasan for not going deep enough into a story is dumb. This is a kinda paced news show because he wants to cover a good amount of topics. There’s only so much a solo news man can do so I give him credit.
@PitiPuziko the OP is just trying to make a point. Hasan doesn't barge straight into news with his personal view when there is not enough information and that makes him a good commentator for me. Also, what are valuable news sources for you then? Actual sociology researcher? People that call you a fake socialist because you make money and own a 3 mil house? Or people that know full well what leftists are talking about but would rather go for headlines like the fake socialist supports unemployment, sexual assault and grooming kids with trans education or against life saving donations?
They taught me in Jazz school how to spot the fool to not invite to your gigs. He's always the cat who plays a million notes but doesn't breathe or do anything meaningful. Ak here is looking mighty out of breath and foolish.
@@je6403 a musician can spot another musician peacocking with no real value, like a dude who learned a solo but doesn't know the fundamentals. Just rambling with no real discipline.
just the other day akademiks n sneako were on fresh n fit screaming at this one girl calling her a dude jus cus her voice was deep n just acting like shitheads if yall havent seen that go check it out it's actually insane
Hearing men still defend Andrew Tate makes me feel sick with anger. “He was taken out of context” “his content is beneficial to some people” are basically confessions that you’re a misogynist. 100%. The violent misogynistic men in my life were identical to Tate and his ideology to the point that my ptsd gets triggered by him lmao. The misogynistic rhetoric he preaches found it’s audience and even if men are like “I’m not misogynistic, I disagree with some of his takes but I also like some of his content” then you’re admitting that you don’t give a fuck about women’s safety or health. Cuz when you have women saying how damaging and triggering it is to see misogyny celebrated like that and you’re okay to turn a blind eye and defend him then you’re proving you don’t care if he’s promoting violence towards women. Like… idk how anyone can still defend him when they see the damage he’s done and the community he fostered.
Cool fact: It was an East Coast rapper named Tim Dog who is credited with starting the West - East coast rivalry with his song "F*** Compton" in '90 or 91, which he made because he was pissed at the record labels for their new admiration of the West Coast scene.
Bruh I was an avid akademiks fan and I still watch an occasional video when it relates to an artist I’m a fan of but he always had that outsider surburban outlook on hip hop. He always felt like the voice of the white hip hop fan who loves the violence but judges the rapper who is a product of said violence
His reach is actually huge, it's definitely not just white kids who watch him. But there's a common thing of being an outside spectator who fetishizes the violence.
Originally I thought this was going to be about why the war in chiraq was bad but it was really just Hasan spelling out all these ideas to an audience he would never be able to reach on his own. This talk was a really smart move.
akademiks "'so you just believe what most americans believe, not socialism" hasan "yes that's what socialism actually is but yall have been lied to about what it is"
It was insanely frustrating for him to not listen to what hasan was saying, argue points from only anecdotes, and just go off on completely random tangents mid-point that weren’t even related. I mean this dude really just knows absolutely nothing about these subjects yet so adamantly acts as if he is an authority on them it was just… a shitshow Edit: also I’m pretty sure he was just getting progressively more drunk so it just kept getting worse and worse until the very end when hasan kinda treated him like he was explaining something to a baby
it seems like dj akademiks is misunderstanding hasan (intentionally or unintentionally I can't say) and changing the topic to argue against points that were never made, while ignoring what actually is said or sidestepping around it. Like nothing he says is inherently wrong, but it comes off like he's having a conversation with himself.
i don't think it is malicious. a lot of people just don't have practice with good faith conversation or recognizing it. Socrates literally died for this topic lol
It’s crazy when people wanna go tit for tat with Hasan about him not doing his research but they really didn’t do any on him or his foundational outlook. Trying to slide that dirt for no reason 😂
1:04:26 AK said "you're more likely to pick up a gun IF THAT'S A WAY OF LIFE" all while woefully missing the point that improving the material conditions would stop that from being their way of life
i agree. both were just explaining different forms of negative manifestations created by the entire white supremacist system. just different racist social algorithms created by the racist. sad most at the time this came out see this as ak being dumb. some just cant get aks point if you never lived in such environments. i understood because ive lived in extremely dangerous projects. some cant understand it because yes fixing the system is the answer obvious. but thats an impossible change at the moment because at this moment someone is dying in those environments. Aks point is how Hasan so easily dismisses things. even tho as a hasanabi head you get the point and he isnt doing in with bad intentions but to just point out the corruption. So in this convo the present is more important. i feel like this shouldve been more focused on how socialism could help and what actions should be taken.
I think AK means well enough to want to have this discussion, but I still think he lacks a little maturity here. Like he is in the mindset it's more important to be right with your initial stance than to be right in the outcome. I think looking back he may change some of his outlooks on this, but this was not a great showing for him. I don't know too much about what he does, he seems like a nice enough guy, I would love for Hasan to discuss other issues with AK where he doesn't have such a personal association with the issue at hand. Like he's too invested in his brand as it pertains to these issues he isn't willing to back down yet, but if he can grow, which everyone can, then I think he'll learn from this.
AK is just one of those people unable to think about anything that falls outside the radius of his own shadow. He apparently can't stand back and look at wider causes, even after getting a 3.8 in drunk sociology. He attributes everything to personal choice. He restricts his data range down to local and anecdotal evidence, despite having a major in a mathematical subject (that's just bad stats). He makes the correlation/causation error and argues the rap culture/gang culture correlation in one direction, even though it just makes more sense that the violence influences the topics covered in rap, rather than the other way around: he does this because it's become his hill to die on. He believes in meritocracy because it suits his sense of self-esteem, even though his mum is direct evidence in his life that things are more complex than he's willing to entertain. Nothing he said seems to be an evidence based, or ideological position. It's just reflexive narcissism. And I think our cultural propaganda in "western capitalist" nations is what leads people to be selfish so we believe such things, so I kinda don't blame him, but he's fallen for the biggest grift going.
Ak has always been that way. He'll take a position that is shown to be wrong and rather than acknowledge that, he just tries to make it the right position. He's been like this for years. I think it's simply a character flaw and not really his maturity level. It's his arrogance really.
@@travismiller89 I mean, I guess I'm so sensitive to it because it's one of my flaws too. I enjoy Hasan, but he's never let his ignorance of the detail get in the way of having an opinion. It's in these guys' job description to pop off. What really struck me was his resilience not only to counterargument but just his unwillingness to consider things in someone else's hypothetical terms. Interesting character.
Hasan is levels above AK intellectually. This exchange made me realise AK is not a sophisticated thinker whatsoever. He contradicts himself of numerous occasions and he does not understand how things work. He was respectful at least.
AK is not smart enough to debate. He just looking for more attention. AK is a grifter, and disrespectful. Also, AK was disrespectful to legends in Hip-Hop! AK basically said how much money or sales a rapper has determines their importance. So, he does not understand the origins of Hip-Hop or how record labels, and MTV refused to play rap music for many years! The record labels did not consider rap music! Thus, there was NOT money to be had to the artist back then.
It really seems like he just wants to absolve any guilt he has with the War of Chiraq. Even when being told that *he* and *Lil Durk* both have minor roles in the roots of the violence, that they overall come from material conditions, he still wants to focus on absolving himself of guilt.
As a politically ambiguous person, this video really increased my respect for Hasan and has made me more open minded towards the implementation of socialism.
Ayo this is pretty dope How the talk started tho I wouldn't have expected this was a 2 hour endeavour Maybe they be chilling for the last half or summin Edit: it's super funny that he thinks Tate is an intellectual
I typically never comment but oh my god, the amount that AK was ready to pounce on all the small points that Hasan was making as he built to the main points was insane and aggravating. Look at AK any time Hasan speaks, you can tell he isn’t actually understanding a single thing Hasan brings up and only pays attention to the surface level wording. The amount he opens himself up to misunderstanding things and getting caught on semantics is just… oh my god man, take a SECOND! Pleaseeeee
