Debating the Sega Genesis vs. the SNES with Steve Bowling 

They're eating the hedgehogs, they're eating the yoshi's!

@@mr.cheesytoad5845 The divide between Genesis and SNES is secured. Ain't no echidnas coming into Mushroom Kingdom, although I'm currently flying in a few hundred thousand asylum seeking Koopa Troopers who hate Bowser and hate Mario just as much. Hahaha. As a strong they/them Princessless, I can and really should assert vehemently on behalf of all mushroomless and toadless that Mario didn't save us all those times; he is an existential danger to all of us who live in the Mushroom Kingdom and would have us all wearing moustaches if given half the chance. Did I mention I am a pink Princessless just like all you other pink toads out there, so you should automatically hate Mario and love me and see me as your saviour, because I am a pink Princessless like you. Hahaha. Bloopers in all toad houses! He must be stopped at all costs, even with Bullet Bills if necessary. I'll just repeat a few handfuls of more times that Mario is the biggest threat to the Mushroom Kingdom ever and should be stopped, even with Boomer Bills is necessary. Hahaha. As Princessless of this land, I am just like you toads who have been changed into question mark blocks, and I can assure you the pipes are closed. And soon they will be even more secure than secure if you make me your Queen. I come from the same undergrounds and sewers as you. Did I mention I am a pink Princessless just like all you other pink toads out there, so you should automatically hate Mario and love me and see me as your saviour, because I am a pink Princessless like you. Hahaha. Mario only cares about plumbers with full bodied moustaches. I grew up in Brooklyn, just down the road from the pipe that leads to the sewer that leads to the Mushroom Kingdom. In case you forgot, Mario is an existential threat to the Mushroom Kingdom and must be stopped, even with Banzai Bills if necessary. Hahaha. Let's not go back to 8-bit. Ignore those airships transporting in hundreds of thousands of Goombas, Paratroopers, Boos, Piranha Plants, Thwomps, Bob-ombs, etc, as I speak. Let's not go back to 16-bit cartridges. We must move forward and download a new digital file with EULAs and DRM that takes us into the better future. It's basic Princesslessenomics. Hahaha. Did I mention I am a pink Princessless just like all you other pink toads out there, so you should automatically hate Mario and love me and see me as your saviour, because I am a pink Princessless like you. Hahaha. I saw a Blooper inking out in the Forest of Illusion the other day, and that's Mario's fault, because he will ban all red coins. Hahaha. I will take away all your power ups and red coins. I mean I have a power up and red coin myself and will not take away your power ups and red coins. I never said I will take away your power ups and red coins. Mario definitely said he will remove our Bullet Bill of Rights and all your power ups and coins and head stomps and triple jumps and everything we and the Mushroom Kingdom stands for. Did I mention Mario is a threat to everything and we need to stop him at all costs, even with a blue shell if necessary. Hahaha. In the passage of time it is time that will allow us to think of the time we spend pondering the time that's taking up our time as a result of the countdown timer that is always counting time as time moves ever down and we take our time to achieve our goals in the time that time will allow for this time. It's time to imagine what can be and unburden the Mushroom Kingdom from what has been. Hahaha. We need more sunshine and rainbow roads and joy in the Mushroom Kingdom. Hahaha. I am Princessless Peach, and I support this message. Hahaha.

​@@mr.cheesytoad5845 I live in Springfield. Please save my kitty.

EXACTLY

Sega had Treasure which was their answer to Rare but they did get a few games by Rare too like Battletoads, Snake Rattle n Roll, ect. Camelot started at Sega too before they went to Nintendo. Shining Force series was by both Climax and Camelot.

Hell it released so early it had to compete with the PS1 for a couple years

The Dreamcast is the most underrated console of all time in my opinion. I truly think Sega gave it their all and utilized almost every single IP they had alongside birthing excellent new ones like Jet Set Radio and Space Channel 5.

@@SuspiciousScout And Skies of Arcadia, please don't forget about Skies of Arcadia.

@@supergoron1 I haven't played that yet, but I definitely heard good things about it.

​@@SuspiciousScoutThey just didn't market the console almost at all, so no one even knew it was coming out and retailers didn't even put it on shelves because of this. So the console was kinda doomed to fail from the start, add on to it that ps1 was 100 dollars cheaper it killed sega in the console market before it even came out and if I'm not mistaken ps1 was 95 and dreamcast was 96 so it was a year late. So ps1 swamped everybody, then ps2 swamped everyone that generation too.

ironic scott just released a vid before this saying retro isnt worth talking or even caring about any more and everything has already been said about it. then immediately contradicts himself and releases this video proving the other video to be complete bullshit. honestly its some kind of engagement troll or something.

​@@phalxor says no fun allowed apparently.

Same here. Those playground arguments define my childhood.

@@phanto-64 no thats what scott says in the video right before this one

@@phalxor this video couldve been recorded leagues before the retro one, vinny mentioned he recorded his vid with scott a couple(?) years back and it only actually was released on the channel a few months ago. but yeah it is a little sillay having these vids back to back like this haha, ig never let them kno ur next move 🫡

He missed the first Golden Age of Gaming (with the second and last being the PS3 vs XB360).

@@leighdappa yeah, no-the 5th and 6th generations were better

@@matthewmangan6251 ...Hmm, it's arguable. The GameCube is my second favourite Console BUT ONLY JUST by the SLIMMEST of pixels. PS3 beats it because it had online play which was new for me and felt like a whole world opened up.

You do that. I'll go Wozing with Scott.

Oh no you’re right I didn’t notice it until I saw your comment

Steve seems out of sync too.

Steve’s mustache helps so you don’t notice as much though lol

Well, you got me there.

Nintendo better.

Super Nintendo is what the genesis't . How about that.

@@DanielClark-ix8bc eh, doesn’t have the same ring to it

genesis denesis what nintendenesis

Dracula X, Bomberman, Bonk, Devil Crush, it had some better versions of most games that got ported to SNES and Genesis.

that's the PC Engine, get it right

​@@jimmy3people0 "That sounds like a computer on a train." -Avgn

@@jimmy3people0 you can assume pce too

@@MacUser2-il2cx don't forget Ys

Holy f*ck, those are all killer. My parents were super strict and never bought me games. But I eventually bought all 4 of those games at some point, all classics. Perfect example of why the Super Nintendo is better, there’s no argument.

I got pilotwings, f zero, and mario world christmas 91

You never played Castlevania Bloodlines you poor bastard.

We got the 'Mario Allstars' SNES Pak for December 1994.

The og was more so Atari vs everyone but yeah

@@projectmessiah Not really when most folks can only remember The ATARI part of that battle and almost none of the other guys, technically true but not what anyone is talking about 😅 When folks talk "Console Wars" they usually start at Nintendo VS. SEGA

@@OmniNexuz Oh I totally get you but I more so meant that was technically the first. War doesn't need to be anywhere near equal per say.

@@projectmessiah Arguably In the case of ATARI here some wouldn't even call that a Console War.....Since that was more like a one-sided "Video Game Free-for-all Battle Skirmish" that ATARI walked out from while SEGA & Nintendo was more way more dragged out to be called a War lol

I’ll be clear here I easily prefer the vector man games to donkey Kong country games that I don’t think are fun to play at all.

Fatal Labyrinth was randomly generated too.

@@MacUser2-il2cx toejam and earl will never be recreated

Love the splitscreen, it's crazy that that game even had it at the time. so advanced.

Neither one of them come off as sports fans to me. Neither am I, but still that was one advantage Sega had over Nintendo.

Yeah, if that's your jam, Genesis would be the choice. Sports were never my jam, so it didn't really carry much weight for me personally. But, just to give the SNES some due in the sports category, it had a few exclusive standouts like Super Tennis, Super Soccer (couple versions), Super Punch-Out!!, and Kirby's Dream Course. And these aren't just good sports games, which is a category I generally find pretty boring actually, but all actual good games in their own right. Some of the best sports games on Genesis can, imo, only truly be enjoyed if you're really into the sports in the first place, like pretty much all the American football and baseball games for example, which I think is a little bit of cheat, because you'll not be able to convince many people who aren't into those sports that they're actually fun games in and of themselves as far as I'm concerned. But, yeah, I presume Genesis is the sports king by sheer numbers alone and also in most cases where the same sports game was on each console too.

@@inceptional teens played sega cuz of the sports games and non censorship.. children played nintendo cuz of mario and kirby.

@@soramirez5473 And 49.1 million people picked SNES over 30-35 million who picked Genesis ultimately. Similarly, all those now grown ups bought 5.28 million SNES Minis vs not even 1 million Genesis fans bothering to pick up their beloved console in mini form. Also, all the Mario kids made The Super Mario Bros. Movie more money than both the Sonic movies combined, and likely more than with even the third Sonic movie added in too. And how many more copies of Super Mario Bros. Wonder sold vs Sonic Superstars with all the fans showing their love there? How many copies did Sonic the Hedgehog sell vs Super Mario World back in the day again? How many million+ sellers are there on SNES vs Genesis again? How many SNES games appear on all Best Games of All Time lists vs Genesis again? Go figure, the numbers speak volumes. Now, as a mature grown up, I know you won't cry over simple facts like that--right. PS. How are your brand new Sega consoles doing there, or your Sega theme parks, or your Sega museums, and all your new Sega games releasing on Nintendo consoles in modern times?

@@inceptional i guess you apply that SAME reasoning to music and all forms of entertainment.. if EVERYONE ELSE LIKES IT it must mean I MUST LIKE IT.. THAT is what you are telling me? that you CANNOT form your OWN opinions, you mUST follow the crowd?.. lol ok do you.

Yeah but Sega is still making games to this day. It is sort of like they're in the console wars. Mario has one movie, Sonic has 3 movies.

​@@MacUser2-il2cxThe key word here is "Console" you can't be in the console wars if you don't have a console lol. Also whichever one you like more the Mario movie performed well over twice as much with that single movie than both Sonic movies combine. Sonic movie 3 will have to pull much bigger numbers than the others to catch up, which tbf it could with how much hype it has but that's still 3 movies barely beating 1.

@@MacUser2-il2cx Yup, Sega is making games--for Nintendo's systems and Sony's and Microsoft's. Nintendo is a dominant force in the games industry across the board, with not only hugely selling games still, but the Switch is just about to become the highest selling console of all time bar none. The Super Nintendo World theme parks and the recently opened Nintendo Museum are also doing gangbusters too. I'll also just add here that that recent SNES Classic Mini sold 5.28 million units, whereas the Genesis Mini didn't even manage one million. That's over a 5-1 sales ratio in favour of SNES there. The Super Mario Bros. Movie is better than the two release Sonic movies, imo. And, objectively, it made more money than both the Sonic movies combined. And so much more in fact that there's a chance it will have still made more money than all three Sonic movies combined at the end of the count. It's a whole different level. And, when comparing money made, just imagine how much Mario is going to leap ahead of Sonic in that regard once the sequel and threequel to the Mario movies come it too. It's in a whole other league.

For sure! Thank you 🎉

Speaking of leaving out games on competing consoles, that Jurassic Park collection has none of the Sega games in it!

No

@@MacUser2-il2cx yes it does . I’m looking at right now. The only genesis title it doesn’t have is lost world.

Wow just cause of the sprite work ? Do you know how hard it is to land an attack with that sloppy sword !?! When you can just jump on the guy in Super Nintendo It was more fun cause it played better Checkmate losers

@@NiGHTSnoob what you said made absolutely no sense

​@kevinmatta9262 no i get what they're saying. Nintendo had far higher highs but sega had more consistency.

@collinherrin4596 I'm saying this same thing to you now. Huh? Sega had consistency? When? Also, arcade ports don't count. Those aren't developed by sega.

Not a single mention of Rocket Knight Adventures. No Road Rash. No Alien Soldier. No Dragon's Fury. No Thunderforce III and IV. No Lunar Series. No Ristar. No Dynamite Headdy. No Snatcher. No Eternal Champions: Challenge from the Darkside. And, of course, they rush past the fact that we didn't get strategy RPGs translated on SNES. Fire Emblem stayed at home. But Sega fans had three Shining Force RPGS to choose from, and Warsong, among others. All in all, this was a pathetic debate from a pair of Nintendo fanboys doing what Nintendo fanboys always do. Overall, I prefer the SNES library too, but it was nowhere near as one sided as they made it sound.

​@juststatedtheobvious9633 The problem is that not an whole lot of people recognize or even heard of those games. Aside from Ristar & Shining Force, who remembers any of others even if your own an Sega system?

​@@juststatedtheobvious9633dudes pressed about these guys liking SNES more😂

@@mr.cheesytoad5845 Nah, I just care about history and debate. We live in an information age. There's no excuse to be this ignorant, especially when they even said that trying new games is the best reason for exploring the Genesis library.

Also, anyone who thinks Road Rash, Lunar, and Snatcher are super obscure games nobody ever heard of, should probably stick to Candy Crush.

Road Rash is one of my fave series to this day

Trust me, if you're going to try to win this argument based on numbers, you simply will not win: SNES sold 49.1 million units. Genesis sold 30-35 million units. SNES outsold Genesis in America. SNES outsold Genesis in Japan. Genesis outsold SNES in Other. SNES has around 2000 games worldwide. Genesis has around 1000 games worldwide. The highest selling SNES games sold 20.6 million units. The highest selling Genesis game sold 15 million units. The SNES has 54 games that sold over 1 million units. Genesis has 19. More SNES games appear in all Best Games of All Time lists than Genesis to this day. SNES Mini sold 5.28 million units. Genesis Mini didn't even manage 1 million sales. The only way you will "win" this debate is based on personal preference. And everyone is free to prefer whatever console they like. And, back to the games, if people are going to just list a bunch of great games on either console, they both have loads*. But SNES simply has many more games and indeed many more that rank on whatever lists as some of the best and most influential titles of all time than Genesis ever had, and that speaks volumes. But, yeah, Genesis wins in the sports category overall. *SNES: Super Mario World, Super Mario All-Stars, Yoshi's Island, Donkey Kong Country 1-3, Super Star Wars, All the Kirby games, Super Mario Kart, Contra III, Super Castlevania IV, Super Turrican 1-2, Mystical Ninja 1-4, ActRaiser, F-Zero, Star Fox, A Link to the Past, Super Metroid, Earthbound, Mega Man 7, Mega Man X2-X3, Final Fantasy IV, Chrono Triggers, Secret of Mana 2-3, Hagane, Batman Returns, Super Smash TV, Sunset Riders, Tetris Attack, Plok, Pilot Wings, Ogre Battle, Sparkster, Harvest Moon, Cybernator, Pocky & Rocky 1-2, Goof Troop, Super Ghouls n' Ghosts, Killer Instinct, Street Fighter 2/Turbo, Mortal Kombat 2, Sky Blazer, Demon's Crest, Super Bomberman 1-5, Wild Guns, E.V.O, Clock Tower, Blackthorne, Knights of the Round, King of Dragons, Ninja Warriors, Tetris & Dr Mario, Gundam: Endless Duel, Axelay, Super Mario RPG, Super Tennis, Super Punch-Out!!, Super Soccer, Sim City, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Turtles in Time, Metal Warriors, Super Aleste, Parodius series, R-Type III, U.N. Squadron, etc. It's just a list of great games, which you could do similarly for Genesis.

@@inceptional this is because America is a Nintendo territory and the Mega Drive was poorly advertised in Japan, unlike the SEGA Saturn which had a great marketing in Japan, youtube is dominated by Americans, journalists and youtubers only know and care for Nintendo, if you ask they'd tell you how fondly they remember the N64 which sold like crap compared to the Playstation, the N64 sold poorly even in its home territory, that's how badly it sold and yet these same youtubers will tell you how great its library is, of course they'd say the same about the Super Nintendo, it is a great system with a great library but the Mega Drive is also a great system with a great library that most Americans don't know shit about because they only care for Nintendo.

@@juiceala They're both great systems with great games.

@@inceptional they are 💯

Plenty of Americans praise the Genesis. A lot of people who were around in the early 90s say the Genesis was quite the domiant system in the US for much of the 16 bit era until 1994 when Donkey Kong Country released. What hurt Sega was releasing add-ons and trying to transtion into the 32 bit era with aging hardware. Once it came time for the Saturn Sega had already shot themselves in the foot.

Yeah but they also had Saturn well into the Dreamcast era. Street Fighter Alpha 3 got a port to the Saturn after it was on Dreamcast and the Saturn was the better port!

Thracia 776 is so peak.

@@nanoff815 tough but good.

Argument ended 🤣

Pepsi Man is in Fighting Vipers in the Japanese version for Sega Saturn. Technically he was in a Sega game.

Columns 2 wasn't as good as Columns 3. It wasn't even as good as Columns 1. :p

an honest sega fan👍

Revenge of Shinobi, Shinobi 3, Gunstar Heroes, Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 and Knuckles, Streets of Rage, Castlevania Bloodlines, Phantasy Star, Beyond Oasis, Ristar, Alien Soldier, Herzog Zwei.. ALL of these games are JUST AS GOOD OR BETTER.. go to sleep you nintendo stan girl

​@@soramirez5473Nah. Not all of them. Aside from Sonic 2, Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Street of Rage 2 & Phantasy Star 4, the rest were solid at best. But not as good as anything SNES has.

Donkey Kong Country Trilogy, Super Metroid, Chrono Trigger, Legend of Mystical Ninja, Mega Man X1 & X2, Yoshi's Island, Contra 3, Super Ghoul n Goblins, Final Fantasy 4, Kirby Super Star, Batman Returns & Super Mario All-Stars to name more.

@@jaretco6423 solid at best? gunstar heroes is SOLID at best? Phantasy Star was solid at best? lol Shinobi 3 was SOLID at best? Herzog Zwei was SOLID AT BEST??? ALIEN SOLDIER WAS SOLID AT BEST??????? Spoken like a TRUE nintendo stan girl.. blood lines is BETTER, TWO playable characters with differnt paths and moves, SMOOTHER animation.. Hard Corps is better than Super C (with its AWFUL top down levels), Rocket Knight adventures is the BEST game and Sega got TWO of those games.. but what do YOU know.. were you SECRETLY playing ALL GENESIS GAMES? i mean i have EMULATORS and i am an AVID retro gamer so i DO play BOTH systems (and tbg16) and i LOVE to compare.. sometimes the SNES is better. Sometims the Genny is better.. sometimes even the Turbo Grafx 16 is better.. THAT is the mOST ACCURATE statement.. no YOUR STAN GIRL OPINION.. you sound ridiculous go play some more games.

@@jaretco6423 Super ghouls and ghosts has UNPLAYABLE SLOWDOWN and you cant shoot up (tho you can double jump).. Genny version is BETTER.. Batman Returns is slow and boring compared to Batman and Robin on Genny.. Mario All Stars is a re done compilation of NES games.. what are you doing? yes the NES had better RPGS and the sports games, Shumps and ANYTHING mature was better on the Genny.. i Will put Sonic, Ristar, Dynamite Heady, Shinobi 3 against ANY platform on the SNES..

You and me both.

This bit is definitely true. It falls far short of the arcade version and indeed of what the SNES is actually capable of. A massive feather in the cap at the time given Sega didn't even have any SoR games when it launched exclusively on SNES, but it's not a port that's a showcase for the system in any way anymore. The two sequels greatly improved upon it in most regards. And even then I think the SNES is still capable of more. Well, we already know for a fact it was/is capable of more, as MaxwelSeven recently released his improvement hack for FF3 that basically gets the game running at a solid 60fps, and even reduces the forced blank ever so slightly too. I think Iron Commando was starting to properly hint at what was possible on SNES, and that still could be taken slightly further as well. There's still more to give in the beat 'em up department on SNES, and hopefully one day we will get to see the full potential there.

the genesis had a ton of games. though the snes had better rpgs the genesis had shining in the darkness, shining force 1 and 2, phantasy star 2 through 4, for traditional rpgs and beyond oasis, land stalker, and sword of vermillion, wonder boy in monster land, and ys III. the super nintendo had link to the past, but genesis had crusader of centy. the genesis gave rise to the real time strategy genre with Herzog Zwei. the genesis also ran faster that the super nintendo. which made it better suited for action platformers, run n guns, and shmups. of those genres the genesis had shin-obi 3, shadow dancer, strider, xmen 2 children of the atom, and mystic defender, castle vania bloodlines for some of the best in the action platformers; contra hard corps, rolling thunder, robocop vs terminator, and midnight resistance for run n guns; and lightening force, thunder force II and III, forgotten worlds, for schmups not to mention all the others that i simply dont have time to mention. the genesis also had better beat em ups, such as the streets of rage games, and the punisher. and fighting games were better on the genesis due to the six button controller. and about colour, sure the super nintendo had more colour, but it often made the image look washed out. and genesis was no slouch in colour or visual effects, just look at ranger x for reference. the genesis had a TON of games. and they were great too.

There's better stuff on the Genny if you want variety and more focus on fun factor. Look up a title like Burning Force. :)

SNES is my favorite console of all time and while I'd easily put it as being slightly superior to the Genesis, but I won't underplay what's available on Genesis. Phantasy Star IV would easily be in the top 5 SNES RPGs if it were on the SNES, and always deserves a mention when talking about quality on the system. Gunstar Heroes is my favorite run-and-gun of all time. Shinobi 3 is amazing. Comix Zone has a fantastic artstyle and presentation style. Then if we make the jump to the Sega CD and 32X, there's even more great stuff like Robo Aleste, Vay, both Lunar games, Final Fight CD, Snatcher, Blackthorne, etc (its not all FMV games). And yeah I'm fine with counting Sega CD and 32x in the Genesis library, it's only fair given the enhancement coprocessors that came in certain SNES cartridges. Ultimately, a full Sega Tower of Power could certainly beat the SNES in terms of capabilities (I would hope, it's essentially a slightly worse Saturn), it just never was able to realize its potential. Unfortunately, all the 32XCD releases *were* crappy FMV games.

@@Straviradius Penn and Teller was the best FMV game for Sega CD and that never released. lol

@@MacUser2-il2cx There's nearly 2000 SNES games in total across all territories and around 1000 Genesis games in total across all territories. SNES has literally the entire Genesis library on top of the entire Genesis library in terms of pure numbers alone. If you think there's more variety or focus on fun factor on Genesis, I'd suggest you're not seeing the full picture here.

and i love it that way, it technically is a part of my childhood since i saw a lot of nerds on the internet talking about it as if it was an important moment in history, specifically nintendo vs sega

I love nerd fights

you're right, let's argue a manly topic. toilet paper should unroll towards the back.

@@enorma29what is wrong with you. It clearly unrolls towards the front. It’s more convenient to reach for and easier to tear

@@CillianGandenbergerthe toilet paper fight has always confused me because I never think about which way it’s facing. I just throw it on there direction be damned

But it was a BAZOOKA

It's true to some degree. I mean, the guy brought it up as if it's some kind of comparable quality to the DKC series, especially in regards to that pre-rendered look. But, in reality, it's not even in the same league. Visually alone, the Vector Man games just look fugly compared to any of the DKC games. Impressive for Genesis though, especially when trying to mimic that approach used in DKC, sure.

Phantasy Star 4 definitely is imo. 2 is fine, 3 of course is garbage.

Me too (for the mcdonald's game, I haven't heard of the other game)

taste

It isn't even close is a crazy take 😭

Revenge of Shinobi, Shinobi 3, Gunstar Heroes, Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 and Knuckles, Streets of Rage, Castlevania Bloodlines, Phantasy Star, Beyond Oasis, Ristar, Alien Soldier, Herzog Zwei and the BEST Rocket Knight game too. actually the genesis got TWO Rocket Knight games.. you Nintendo stan girls are funny lol.

@@davefromhomedepot7416 kids liked nintendo. teens like sega.. lol that was a FACT

@@soramirez5473 that was solely because of marketing lol. It’s not like every SNES game’s gameplay was dumbed down to be simpler for kids or they didn’t have games for an older audience. It’s not even like Genesis games were inherently more challenging so they would naturally appeal to teens. It all came down to Sega deciding to focus advertising on an older audience which also included the choice to want elements like blood in some of their games on the system. And for the record, i don’t think that either of the two consoles was MUCH better than the other. Both had great games that still hold up to this day.

@@Joyceages uh actually if you have the emulators you can PLAY BOTH SYSTEMs (AND the turbo Grafx 16) and compare for YOURSELF like i do and yes, Nintendo was ALWAYS more censored. i can go play robocop vs terminator RIGHT NOW on BOTH systems on my Odin 2 OR Openemu app on my Mac and see the difference.. thats just one game. i can list many many others.. here is the FACT of the matter. sometimes the SNES was better, sometimes the Genny was better, and every now and then the Turbo grafx was better. HOWEVER a person CAN enjoy a "LESSER" game MORE for whatever reason..