Debating The Value Of Eastern Medicine (Ayurveda) | Healthy Gamer Dr. K 

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Dr K, as a 72yo Westerner who's relied on the Vedantic Upanishads and Gita for philosophical and spiritual support nearly 50 years now (and a frequent viewer of your own channel), the way you always model blending ("Western") scientific method and Dharmic wisdom inspires me profoundly. You give me faith that the human species is, in fact, evolving toward a higher synthesis capable of supporting first a global - and eventually a galactic - survival strategy. Thank you for always sharing both your mind and your compassionate heart with us all!

With Dr. K touring the podcast circuit, I was wishing for this collab yesterday... PERFECT bloody timing universe!

Mom and dad are debating again

Thank you for talking with so many people

Hahaha 😂😂😂😂

Luckily there were two doctors in the room to deal with the multiple injuries

Ayo bro I am at 2:02:07 and am excited to see it happen.

What about when Dr Mike left and came back in wearing his boxing shorts and boxing gloves!!?

Time stamp plz

Not to mention how when the other person doesn't quite understand their answer, they make it a point to reframe the answer by simplifying it to the basics.

Fully agree with you. I'm a gp doctor too and I've experienced this myself

Thank you. As a patient, I appreciate medical professionals like you.

But mindfulness has evidence. Studies have been done where scans are taken of the brains of people who meditate vs those who don't. There is also anecdotal evidence which demonstrates that people who meditate and practice mindfulness have overall better medical outcomes than those who don't. I don't see how mindfulness can be regulated though because it is also a religious practice.

RN here also, agreed 😊

Evidence based is important, but even in the field of research with complex chemical systems we don't make assumptions based on what we put in. We review differences between each set of experiments to account for differences. That isn't emotion, it is the scientific method and why standards, controls, etc are important. Unfortunately I have been misdiagnosed multiple times by doctors. Complacency is a real thing and from a scientific perspective it is something people in the medical field should check themselves on when diagnosing.

Yes, I just loved that part!!!

Really brought him to suplex city

My favorite part was when Dr. K mortal combat fatalitied Dr. Mike and pulled out his ribcage then used Ayurvedic medecine to put it back

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i like the part when they almost kissed. not that i wanted that to happen, im just saying it was really funny haha that would be weird if they did

Fully agree with this

100%. Probably the best podcast ep I've seen in a long time.

I fully haven't worked out the title, but threes something to "Western Physio, Eastern Psychy With Dr M + K"

Yeah this was the most educationally stimulating podcast ever.

Today we talk about East-Western Medicine, kids, Mkay?​@@MrBeetSoda mkay?

Love Dr. Mike but he wasn't even listening to what Dr. K was saying he spent most of the time trying to argue. There isn't 90% issues with Ayurvedic medicine.. it is not understood by the West. We are moving toward the Eastern ways of doing things. This podcast highlighted how narrow minded Dr. M truly is. Was saddened

@@colouredlioness2199I think you didn’t see the discussion all the way through. There were points where they both made concessions - although I do think Dr. Mike was occasionally trying to defend against arguments that weren’t made.

Many of first gen pharma ie natural was stolen patents of ayurvedic medicines .there are many patent cases still pending while all these yrs while pharma has now come to 3rd gen medicines .and i say this as a western medicine practitioner

​@@colouredlioness2199exactly. His true self

YES - I've been arguing with the TV as I've listened to this podcast lol. He is a brilliant psychiatrist- Dr. Mike isn't seeing eye to eye with him like at all in this vid. Hope that improves in the future. It didn't have to be a "debate" lol- I watch a lot of Huberman podcasts though so I really like how he talks to guests.

NOTHING is spiritual, its all placebo

Meditation have saved so many lives, families, careers, entire communities, but because west doesn’t understand it or can quantify it, it dismisses vast majority of it wholesale. There’s so much undiscovered treasure u guys have no idea.

MD vs DO who partied during CoViD.

Well ones more of a Twitch guy…

I've been wanting this video for months now

Touch grass dude

​@@mariomario1462someone who takes their time to write a negative comment on the internet telling other to touch grass lmao

*cough cough* Destiny *cough cough*

Wired. I think you wrote an entire paragraph incorrectly trying to spell the words "financial incentive."

2:14:53 was hilarious. The dap up.

we need to have dialogues to understand each other not debate, debate is mostly just trying to prove your point/opinion which always brings out conflict

​@@mrbehindthemustache mr borreli 😢

Yeah, challenging eachother beliefs to come to right conclusions is more important than being right. Great debate.

Ideally, yes. The unfortunate reality is that, both parties here are very empathetic, and aren't interested in measuring their dicks and trying to "win". With most people, sacrificing eloquence and maturity for something like ad-hominem fallacy. :/

Absolutely agree. “Debates” or “arguments” should not be won but come to an agreement and come to an understanding.

IMO dr mike kinda debated himself 🤣

Yeah It can get uncomfortable but thats better than it getting spiteful or even violent. Its not hard to put your pride aside when you have a healthy mindset

Homeopathy is not eastern medicine

Just like with the focus of Ayurveda vs Western medicine the scams of Western medicine are at a population level vs scams of Ayurveda at an individual level

i am pretty sure Ayurved is different than Homeopathy

dont put ayurveda in the umbrella of shity eartern medicine

As someone who has received Ayurveda treatment and someone from Sri Lanka. It is much different from Homeopathy where from what I remember is really diluted to the point that whatever medicine you take is just water

OK but a lot of it is proven bunk. I saw one online about pricking your finger to bleed will cure a sore throat. Which is bullshit and does NOT work, hence the need for proven studies for it to be accepted across the world

your first sentence summarized the new comment section perfectly

@@Ryan-to1pr ikr i was reading some comments and i was like wait a minute, im not sure if Dr mike is really pushing back an ideology that Dr K has, merely an idea that Dr K can talk upon

Agreed, although drk does promote eastern practices, he is still a medical doctor first

I believe that some holistic medicine is beneficial. I think that the general public does not comprehend and can easily overdose or underdose themselves. I also think they can mistake plants and create health issues. Therefore, if it is vague and not completely measurable, I bow out gracefully. The people I have experienced that are holistic are paranoid and have serious mental issues that make their behavior and speaking scary. They almost threaten us if we don't come over to their dark side. So I avoid these diets because I don't know how much is affected by the diet and how they were before they started these fads. So I am intrigued by this doctor who is calm and collected. I would be open to listening to him. I may not change, but he is calmly and rationally talking about his side. I definitely will listen to his story. I am not looking to live a long life. My DNA is a ticking time bomb. But I won't mind eating better while I live my life.

It's not real life. It's to get viewer engagement (which I'm sad I contributed to) so I'm out. The kids say whoosh so I think that applies. You know because I'm whooshing away. I think.

I feel like you should find new friends. Your friends should accept you and your opinions without having to get too heated. If you can't be civil and analytical with one another, how do you know when they're lying or telling you the truth?

This.

You don’t have close friends then

Ngl kind of a red flag to be "debating" friends. Yall should be able to talk without so much tension

@@pal8492 debate =/= bad. I think you misunderstand what a debate is. If anything, having friends that are so fragile that you cannot challenge some of their beliefs is a red flag.

I agree. This is how a conversation is supposed to be conducted. If only politicians were as emotionally and intellectually mature and grounded. And able to shelve their egos,like these two.

Exactly! Healthy debate at it's finest!

I couldnt have worded a comment better than this, it is exactly what I was thinking!

Right!! Not just asking questions for the sake of being right or appearing right!?

I don't think that actually could have easily gotten very dark very quickly. Is what I saw was a narcissistic physical health doctor. Question everything through a completely scientific lens in a way that was actually quite shall we say arrogant. Where do his thoughts come from he could not want think in a way that was not physical. This means that he's falling off of a false axiomatic truth. Which is that he is treating that everything is physical as an axiomatic. Basically in this instance there is no spiritual side is not an established axiomatic truth nothing in science can be truly axiomatic outside of math. So he's treating there is no spiritual side as if it is axiomatic mathematical truth and does not need to be questioned. My question for Dr Mike is can you really ask yourself if a spiritual thing or things outside of science that we currently know also exist and affect us. Can you bring it to your in your ideology but maybe there is something more than what you currently know scientifically. Also can you Doctor Mike ask yourself if there's something more to your brain than neurons firing. Because there's something missing to neurons firing. Because we most people in consciousness research I'm starting to find things that are not neurons firing.

How I wish to hear you and Dr. K have a conversation! It would be so interesting to see

shut up ali, go back to scamming your viewers as always

@@juststanningbywould be great

Bro same it's too good not only from an intellectual standpoint but also absolutely thrilling from entertainment standpoint as well

My exact thoughts.

Dr. K is a practicing psychiatrist, ofcourse he'd know how to reframe and identify conversations from a different PoV

I've run into this problem where two people are saying the same thing and actively agreeing with each other but are unable to see that they are because they're using different words.

@@kylelilley4814 you've worded what I wanted to say but couldn't figure out how. All I could come up with was "this interview sounds like me trying to discuss anything with my mother." 😂

That interaction was an example of why I love these two. Dr. K probing Dr. M to clarify where Mike's passion was coming from is why I love Dr. K so much.

yea this talk was so good all the way through! Dr. Mike agreed on a lot more than he thought at the beginning, but that really worked for the interview. it caused him to ask questions, which prompted Dr. K go more in depth on Ayurveda

woo woo?

@@user-zd1oe7lm1t Means alternative medicine

@@user-zd1oe7lm1t a term for fantastical, hopeful, and generally completely unproven phenomenon.

Buddy, the field of preparing extracts from certain plants and animal products to make medicines is called Auyrveda in India. Are there frauds? sure, is Ayurveda better than western medicine in general sense? Absolutely not. But is Ayurveda worth researching using modern scientific techniques in the hopes of getting medicines which may yield better results in certain cases ? 100 %.

Exactly my thoughts. People usually don't push back against Dr K cause of how smart he is, I'm glad Dr Mike did.

the guy who said it was heated was very likely joking

It wasn’t heated, but tbh Dr mike was annoying me. He came off very Eurocentric in this convo, thinking western counties invented everything first.. like w'e thought that mental illness was histrionics so you couldn’t have known better 5000 years ago'.. our mathematical system came from Sumerians, brown ppl, thousands of yrs ago Also, western societies also discriminate against ppl who are in the minority, such as left handed ppl, why is that so egregious? To this day, we don’t account for women in medical studies; it’s unfair but it’s normal

​@@user-kq2we1ex3hgive up your bias and u will see where is he coming from. Scientific evidence vs theory was a key highlight and it is biased yet insightful cause eventually biases are inevitable they are the core of our thoughts.

Like you said biases are inevitable. What's truly important ​is to be self aware of your own biases and be able to adapt to new knowledge even if that knowledge goes against your bias. @@InsaneSibs

A real doctor vs. a pseudo-scientific ''doctor.'' Psychology is just pseudo-scientific nonsense... But hey, if it helps some people, I'm all for it...

And then it allowed Dr K to tickle Dr Mike's foot to help him demonstrate a concept which was delightful.

indeed , its a cultural thing for us indians , we believe its the best way of sitting in most scenarios ,may it be meditation or even while having lunch (/duration after that) we believe it helps in better digestion and is little more efficient etc

​@@paramrmI've seen other guests do it too

​@@itsbeccawhen did he tickle Dr Mike's foot? 😂

​@@sommermcdaniel9723i think it's after the half way mark when they're discussing the origin of thoughts and where they come from... Dr K was tickling his foot while asking that to demonstrate how we really don't have much explanation by modern science on the origin of thoughts and it's all built on a bunch of hypotheses which is why alternate forms of medicine shouldn't be completely dismissed as they take a more wholistic approach

Fantastic! Thanks for sharing!

A similar thing happened to me, I hated every 'guru' for a while, but after some hardship I used some methods that were taught, (meditation and avoiding certain foods) and now I think if you find something useful take it but don't be blinded.

Lol and now the west will re market dhyaan/ meditation as “mindfulness” to you and you’ll gobble that shiz up

This is interesting. I grew up in Chinese martial arts environment with Qi Gong practitioners making regular appearances. The result was that the familiarity with this world and the colourful characters that occupy this space have made me very sceptical about the practices themselves. Is it for similar reasons in your case that you have developed the scepticism?

As a Sri Lankan Buddhist I'm simultaneously the biggest proponent of meditation and the biggest skeptic of Ayurveda.

Until Dr K accuses Dr Mike to have a closed mind and then Dr Mike takes a more reconciliatory approach

They are both excellent communicators who aren't afraid of tackling a difficult conversation head on. Really cool duo to see in a conversation.

​@@balazsfazakas3368Exactly! Until then the conversation was basically stagnant and it was going in circles about what Ayurveda is and how it is different from Western medicine. Dr. Mike definitely had some animosity towards Ayurveda, especially it's practitioners (who themselves don't do a good job of reconciliation with Western medicine practitioners I guess).

@@balazsfazakas3368 Yes on the surface it does look like that. I do think that he directly tries to tackle the problem that Dr Mike is struggling with when he tries to "re-conciliate". I agree with his take that Dr. Mike had made up his mind on Ayurvedic medicine or had a hyptothesis that he wanted proven/disproven. Whereas, all Dr. K is trying to say and do is that there is something valuable in the teachings on Ayurveda/yoga etc. Looking at his history - he initially did learn eastern "medicine" but didn't agree with it and then went to medical school. He agrees that Ayurvedic medicine isn't reliable as it currently stands but he is pushing for western medicine to take lessons from it. Which it is finally doing with yogic techniques (breathing exercises, yoga poses etc). And to get that thought across to Dr. Mike, he had to diffuse the almost argumentative/heated conversation back to somewhere where both people are relaxed and open to listen to the other side. Atleast thats how i read that situation. YMMV

To add to that - Dr Mike actually says that him and Dr K see almost eye to eye if not exactly eye to eye on Ayurveda AFTER the whole "reconcilatory" conversation.

I adore Dr. K

Go watch his content. He's fantastic!

Dr. K's lectures helped me realize I probably had ADHD and the depth of detail in them and his interviews allowed me to trace back my life circumstances and where and how I suffered. After that I was able to create an accurate history for my doctor to look over and he referred me to a psychiatrist who did a full analysis to conclude I have innatentive adhd. I have made staggering advances in my life, behavior and perspectives because of this man.

There was a lot of good faith in this discussion which I appreciated, but I don't think there was enough good argumentation. As Dr. Mike wasn't fully equipped to deal with some of the rhetorical manipulation and sophistry that Dr. K indulged at parts of this discussion. Dr. K never gave a good reason for Ayurvedic practices to not have the same standards of evidence applied to them as western medicine. His objections were purely ideological ("it's antithetical," "it's cultural appropriation" etc.) and if he's as concerned as he says he is that Ayurvedic practices might just be inducing the placebo effect, he should want randomised controlled tests to be applied to Ayurvedic practices. As that is the only way you can tell if they are anything more than just induction of the placebo effect. This is supported by Dr K. establishing an incorrect definition of what a placebo is. A placebo is not "a treatment where we don't understand the underlying mechanism," that definition is backwards. A placebo is something that triggers the placebo effect, and in the vast majority of cases we KNOW that it simply doesn't have an underlying mechanism. By establishing this incorrect definition Dr. K was able to make room to speculate that Ayurvedic medicine has mysterious underlying mechanisms we don't understand. When the actual fact is there is no significant evidence that Ayurvedic practices are anything more than the induction of the placebo effect. And there never will be any significant evidence unless the RCT studies that Dr K. opposes are applied to Ayurvedic practices. Dr. Mike did very well to hold his own against an Harvard educated individual who is clearly very experienced in the art of debate and rhetoric. But Dr. K said a number of problematic things that were not challenged properly because Dr. Mike is not as experienced in that field. Still, it was a fascinating discussion and I'm immensely grateful to have had the privilege of watching it.

This was a Convo not a debate. Sadly most Public Debates these days take place between someone who is 80% Objectively right, and someone who is wrong. In this case a Debate is a stage performance. You don't debate to convince your opponent, you are responsible for debating the facts to convince people WATCHING the debate.

​@@chrissmeaton7127great points!! It should be requisite to be a physician to know placebo, placebo effect, hypnotherapy, correlation and causation.

@@chrissmeaton7127 Seems like Dr. K would happily apply the same standards of evidence for Ayurvedic vs allopathic medicine if it was possible. It's just not possible right now because scientific research, esp. in the field of medicine, takes time to do properly. In other words, his biggest justification is that it's too slow, and there's too many people out there that would lose out on what he believes to be an effective (even anecdoctally) treatment while they suffer in the mean time.

@@WingSlaze Which works as an explanation for why he prefers to work as a boots on the ground physician rather than in a research capacity (although an argument could be made that a focus on research stands to help far more people in the long run). It doesn't work as an objection to subjecting these practices to RCT studies. Nor do I think Dr. K used this fact that way during this discussion.

In what way?

Amazing work that you’ve adapted what you’ve seen with Dr.Mike communication skills and have applied it to your own practice. I love that even though we can already be extremely knowledgable, there is always something new to learn and apply to ourselves!

Mike is a bigot!

In what way? R u into family medicine?

I think we can learn about how certain practices (religious, cultural, non scientific) can have positive effects on people's health although we shouldn't throw away empirical medicine and we need to learn to discern what works and doesn't. It's sounds simple, but it's something of great complexity.

@@baonemogomotsi7138 definitely

Before earning his medical degree, he left school to become a monk in India. After some time doing that, he figured it wasn't for him but learned a lot and would later go on to get his Harvard degree after working there. Really interesting history he has uploaded somewhere I am sure. So it was more so the flip of what you said by applying what he learned as a monk to what he later learned as a psychiatrist. And importantly, that he saw it worked.

It's important to differentiate between "does not work" and "does not have enough testing to prove that it works". They are pretty much equivalent in most conversations, but not always. A lot of "traditional medicine" is either based on tradition-based "practices/recipes" or just equating correlation to causation. For example, people have been smearing certain plant pastes onto wounds to "speed up healing" since the Stone Age, or maybe even before that. No one knew why it worked. They just knew that it worked. It's not until "alchemy" that people discovered the properties of certain naturally occurring or artificially created materials. And it's not until "chemistry" that people isolated and recombined these into drugs and supplements, some of which are still not government-approved, just tolerated. Ayurveda (speaking specifically about the non-scammers) has a huge "proof problem". People "know" that it works because empirically it's been working for thousands of years. But this empirical testing was never recorded, and the actual expected interactions are not scientifically tested. We don't know what the edge cases are, or how to tailor Ayurvedic medicine. Ayurveda also does not have very well-established diagnostic tools or mechanisms, which prevents it from being its own ecosystem. Scammers can exploit this "proof problem" by relying on people's faith in "natural remedies", which they can simply say "don't need proof because we've been doing it this way for a thousand years". Until Ayurveda can undergo rigorous scientific analysis to not just explain itself but also devise new interactions and methods, it remains a domain where scammers are a plague. In the end, Ayurveda is also a cautionary tale for "modern medicine" and the pharmaceutical industry. Don't try to shut out knowledge and innovation, and don't try to get away with badly tested medical practices and pseudoscience. Once the science behind medicine is closed off, people will start relying on faith in medicine and doctors. And faith is extremely easy for scammers to exploit.

If I can add my own drop in the bucket. When I first talked to Psychiatry/Psychologist I was treated like a check list or just another body that was malfunctioning. Listening to Dr.K, even though it’s disclaimer not medical advice. He talks to the mind/soul/ego/you differently. And it helped me feel better, more relaxed and more like a person, rather than a checklist.

Aholes lol

Are you bald or something? Lol

So many ads 😢

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Yes

@@nishthagupta1357no

More about this from Dr K.* Not others, just Dr K. Trust me that rabbit hole is not one you want to do down. It has such great characters arguments and beliefs that make you lose braincells.

It's really cool. It's the kind of thing we (hopefully) try to learn when studying epistemology or, more broadly, philosophy of science - being aware of different methodologies and practices as a way to not only be open to knowledge exchange but also to be conscious of the values and structures in your own system so you can be more mindful of who benefits from them, as well as avoid dismissing/harming other people. The problem is that it's hard to have a conversation out there with this in mind without coming across charlatans or close-minded douchebags...

The west copies so much from India and doesn't even give it credit. But when you know the original has Sanskrit names, you know where its from and what the truth is. Huberman copies a lot of yogic practices and pretends he came up with them. its pathetic

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Me too!

For real!!!

Absolutely! I would love it!

I’d hope Dr K would decline something like this. This was painful to watch.

@@cyndijohnson5473 why so? They both seemed to enjoy it

Yeah, Dr Mike made it really difficult to listen through this

He made what I thought was going to be an interview plus conversation into an interrogation plus conversation.

That’s good that it gets better cause im in the first half and im getting tired of Dr Mike asking over and over the same questions to which he got answers to already and then he’d ask another question in a way that ignores the prior answer given. Cause he approaches in the beginning this convo like “you think Ayurveda is be all and you defend all of it” cause he himself seems to have this all or nothing view on types of medicines. Which is not the problem of Dr K, he admits his preference of Western medicine for obvious reasons but also he’s capable of seeing advantages in a different system especially as it offers something that WM lacks of. That Dr Mike perceives as a black and white argument and him fighting against this black and white argument turned to be exhausting. Cause he was basically projecting something else onto Dr K rather than to actually listen to what actually Dr K was saying. Plus some of the things (eg sanitizing) that Dr Mike said was so ughhh in how euro-centric that was. As a historian and an anthropologist I facepalmed so hard I hurt my nose 😂😩😝😅

@@Tesis it was so frustrating. Did you make it to the end? What did you think?

What did he say about sanitizing?​@@Tesis

Not sure if we watched the same video. You were right with this maybe in the latter part of the video. I believe Dr. Mike in his pursuit to have all the information laid out in plain English for the general audience that watches, lost himself a bit in his bias until the round up and reassessment happened. That’s just my bias of what I saw as a viewer who likes to watch 50/50 conversations.

​@@meeddzzzI thought he was a little biased, but that makes sense. There's other episodes where he has to essentially debate kooks on basic medical knowledge, and on top of that he hasn't studied ayurveda. So we got a medical practice that he has no clue about, which he's told us 90% wrong by Dr k, obviously he's be iffy on it.

Totally agree!

I disagree, I felt that he kinda manipulated him there. There was a lot of flawed logic imo in the arguments about 10min beforethey reached that point in the convo. I felt that Mike felt like he was put on the spot after Dr. K‘s „intervention“ and felt as if he was being a bit mean or too agressive and then he started to leave the pure logical path and go down the rabbit hole a bit more. Im not saying he totally agreed on everything but I feel like he agreed to stuff that logically didn‘t make a lot of sense after this point in the convo. And btw I‘m a fan of Dr. K AND Dr. Mike 🙌🏼 I‘m just telling you what I think I noticed here.

​​well dr Mike was being quite disagreeable in the majority of the podcast, dr K on the other hand, did talk a lot but in a much calmer way. Calling it fraught, scam, cult, or fundamentally flawed is not the best choice of the words imo, that's why I think dr K was so ready to explain everything.​Also dr Mike did try to challenge his beliefs while Dr K's career is partially based on the whole concept that he explained, I don't think that for an average person that would've been a comfortable situation, yet Alok handled it all like a pro, steady and ready to explain anything that needed to be explained @@Diego-pk4yf

@@wonderIland I agree, but this is just poor wording. In terms of what they actually said, I gotta give the „point“ to dr. Mike. He was on the side of science and reproducable mass applicable medicine.

​​​​​@@Diego-pk4yf Everyone has a right to their opinion. I'm leaning towards dr K since he's e xperienced in both worlds and wants to contribute new stuff to medicine, while dr Mike is speaking in a way where Alok described his speech as not open minded, to that I agree with. Also Mike is being 100%: all for the western, and culturally and personally I'm not about that world, so I'm with Alok there.What rubbed me the wrong way was dr Mike saying *let's just not call it/forget about ayurveda* smth along those lines. That's definitely not the way it's supposed to go.

why does this read like a chat gpt response 😂 I don’t disagree tho

That stung a little since writing is a hobby of mine but I assume you meant no harm in it. I’m gonna choose to take that as a compliment 🥲since I wrote this off the top of my head and then edited it a few hours later haha

Dr K actually specifically said it isn't an individual to population approach

@@yoho3618 I genuinely appreciate and respect your writing style and hope you continue continuing. ❤️ It's coherent, refreshing, and most importantly impassioned. 😊

​@@yoho3618it was very easy to understand with nothing unnecessary added so no need to overthink things

And there were some things that didn't make sense to them that I understood, so that felt nice. Between their subsequent explanation/ elucidation, even if I was right about the info provided, I found that the interplay between my reaction and theirs and it actually added to a depth of my own understanding on multiple points.😊

I def had to replay some parts

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At least you had all those things 💀

@@cristianaraujo9293 In what world was this an appropriate response to this? OP ignore them. I'm sorry you're dealing with this.

​@@felixhenson9926right?! What a weird reply

@@felixhenson9926 I think he is someone who is more lost then most of us.

⁠@@kanishakmadaan1Seems to me that the weird reply came from a place where that person has none of that and maybe tried to say, look at me, I never had that in the first place or I’ve been trying to get that - be glad that you had it at least, unlike some of us. Or maybe they’re just a troll or a bully.

You are definitely living under a rock. Do you know some french beauty company introduce addition of turmeric into their premium product . This along with other hundreds of examples are vindication of Ayurvedic processes.

does any of these guys know astrology because ayurveda uses astrology and few medicines needs to be taken during the days of certain nakrstras . First of all ayurveda never said it was written by a doc it was clearly mentioned in siddhar ayurveda it was given by gods

​@@drbh6331are you out of your mind? Ayurveda is collection of multiple books and they are written by Rishis.

Ayurveda is bullshit made by Indian gurus to thug uneducated minions

​@prateekgrewal4717 are you out of your mind? Charaka Samhita as well as Ashtanga Hriday talks about planetary bodies affecting the health of the patient and recommends certain medications obased on these movements. And no, they are not Written by rishis. Ayurveda is an upaveda of Rigveda meaning it is also apaurusheya (not created by man) shruti. The knowledge was revealed to the rishi, not created by them. All authorities humbly credit the knowledge to Dhanvantari (divine origins).

This is very true. It is very irrational of us to invest nearly a decade of training into many medical professionals and then not really teach them how to spread it. Waste of resources

@@Prometheus720 exactly!!

Yes- Dr. Mike would have made a fantastic journalist!

​@user-jx3kg7ve1m they're world is collapsing so relax.

​@user-jx3kg7ve1m... no one is stealing anything. Appropriation in therapeutic techniques and rediscovering some of the methodologies used in ayurveda yes, sometimes. It is a fact that Western medicine is faster, more reliable and has better results. This is the reason it's so popular. This episode brought up the point again and again though that ayurveda isn't infallible and the main problem with it is that most practioners aren't open to rigorous critical analysis. You're wrong if your takeaway is that it's being "stolen". We should be encouraging both types of doctors to learn from the bests of the other field to get better results in both

​@user-jx3kg7ve1mModern scientific community doesn't steal anything. Science is all about looking at evidence and developing things using technology. How do you think medicine evolved? It all evolved from ancient practices.

@@deepakhiremath6171 it doesn't technically steal anything but if it forgets to mention where it came from and only takes some parts while excluding to mention the spirituality the original approach was developed with, that can well be perceived as a form of cultural appropriation. Simply because the modern medicine is a product of the west and the west has colonised and exploited the rest of the planet (and still does in many ways until today), including India for centuries. It doesn't matter if you as a westerner see it as an innocent scientific method. What matters is how people of that culture see it and perceive it.

​​@@deepakhiremath6171Stealing here means rebranding well known Hindu concepts to sever their connection to Hinduism and sell them as a western innovation. This is a way to steal credit and also discredit Hindu practices. Many ayurvedic practices have been adopted by modern medicine but ayurveda is still looked suspiciously because those things that are adopted, have had their connection to Ayurveda severed.

Such high iq 🎉

I wholeheartedly agree with wanting more of this collab! Two of my favorite RU-vidrs having intelligent, informed discourse on topics I'm interested in and which are relevant to both my personal and professional lives - MOAR PLZZZZZ!!!1!! 🤩

A podcast series between Mike and Dr. K NEEDS TO HAPPEN

This!

EQ is woo woo mumbo jumbo

The so called 'differences' between eastern and western medicine are just not true. Western medicine once was also riddled with fantasy and fiction. The eastern part of the world also contributes to modern, scientific medicine. Ayurveda is eastern pseudoscience just as homeopathy is western pseudoscience.

THIS!

But evidence is evidence. Doesn’t matter if it’s eastern or western.

But there are methods of collecting evidence.....some methods are available now that we're not there 60 yrs ago.....and more methods will be developed as time goes and then prove things that we don't see as "scientific" to day

For what I have experienced Ayurveda has been a prevention pf diseases rather than a cure It is quite similar to homeopathy other than the fact it does not hurt you

Or rods BBC ep

Totally agree, especially on the last part! I think it is an invaluable lesson, at least to me, and I'm so grateful Dr Mike kept it in.

I don’t think he was being antagonistic. He’s breaking down what Dr. K practices and believes to get to the truth of it. Dr. Mike does this with all of the clinicians he interviews and it’s so refreshing to see. He’s not just going to sit back and let people just ‘say things’ in the name of being a friendly host. Dr. K at the end even admitted ‘sorry if I misjudged you’ cause Dr. Mike is VERY open, but what he’s after is the truth. Or as close to the truth as we can get. He also wants to understand as best as he can which is why he grills them. After he got a good understanding, you can see them having a more ‘laid back’ conversation at the end.

​@@pro_kate5756 I agree, but you have to understand that most people aren't accustomed to having their beliefs challenged, especially by people they are friendly with. That's why people like OP get frustrated when two people who agreed to have an in-depth conversation about their beliefs do exactly that

​@@pro_kate5756he may not have been intentionally being antagonistic but he was certainly getting more intense as the conversation went on and using very biased questioning. Though his labeling his mood as "excited" rather than frustrated/annoyed and some of his mannerisms make me wonder if it's an ND thing; I have several neurodivergent friends that get loud an intense when discussing things just because they're excited

The moment we have unprovable things as spirituality, a sort of antagonistic approach is understandable, given the big reliability and fraud problem it drags in.

hey just wanted to say that your comment made perfect sense and was actually written better than a lot of commenters with English as their first and only language

It'a not about being right or wrong but reaching right conclusions and dismenteling the wrong

Very well said ❤