Debunking Mike Israetel's Absurd 'Sleep Is More Anabolic Than Juice' Argument 

What i heard: dont sleep, just inject

people who downplay gear and thinks it only helps 'a little bit' really need to get their head out of their ass

A guy at my gym deadlifts 300kg for 10 reps. Is lean as fuk And can deadlift again in 2 days…. It’s not sleep doing that…

....from now on I'm not going to get out of bed, here I come Olympia!

Funny how Mike calls out Liver King for taking a load of steroids to sell things when that's exactly what Mike does...Except Liver King arguably looks better than Mike.

Please stop using logic and making sense....it is hurting Mikes workout program sales.

Israetel is smart and has a lot of great information, but he isn't infallible (nobody is). Another is his super controlled bent over rows with ridiculously light weight. It's been studied that lengthened partials are as or more effective than full ROM, and especially for the rows, where the back mucles are poorly leveraged to produce force at peak contraction, using super light weight is not going to be very effective. The back can benefit from focusing on the stretch and mid-range instead of letting the poorly leveraged short muscle lengths dictate the weight.

Test or sleep? I just started TRT (actual British NHS TRT, not the mini cycles American clinics seem to like). I'm 44, and have the natural "Test" levels of an albino deep sea fish, as a result of several health issues over the years (see comments in previous videos). Still, I agonised over the decision to use TRT for just over 5 years. I've been on 150mg Test Enantate per week - taken as 75mg x twice per week - for 12 weeks now. Haven't changed my sleep, eating, or training... and I am making some goddam muthr humpn GAINZ. I'm sure someone somewhere is choking to get "hyper responder!" out. Maybe, but one other guy in my age bracket/situation said the same thing, in conversation at my gym. Not a large cohort, I'll grant you. Even when your test is not at supra-physiological levels - mine has been tested twice, around 1000 the first test, around 800 the second. So, high, but "within range". Even accounting for serum saturation stability, and all such words, 150mgs of testosterone is still more than I would produce naturally, and at a more steady rate. It is a sudden outside stimulus, that my body is equipped to deal with, but is unused to, and so it helps noticeably with the "adaptation" part of "stimulus, recovery, adaptation" ("Iron, netflix, gains" if you prefer). No doubt this effect will settle down, but it is happening. I can only imagine the gains I'd make with double or triple the dose, but a long standing blood clotting disorder would make that a very unwise choice. I also don't really want to buy a thong, a seeming prerequisite for bodybuilding, whether excellence or mediocrity is your path (see Dr Mike Israetel). I spend some proportion of my life trying to keep my regular under ware out of the area that thongs are purpose built to embrace.

Having used testosterone and little sleep compared to optimal everything to include sleep but minus testosterone I can say that his argument is BS 😂

That natty cope study is pretty bad honestly. It counted all weight gained as lean mass. Anyone who has ever started gear knows its a huge amount of water and glycogen in the beginning.

Great video. Unsubbed from RP months ago after his ridiculous front squat video was the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back so to speak. It's not a matter of if people will turn on him, it's a matter of when.

I always find it terrifying to read alle the comments praising him for his supposedly supreme content, his science-basedness and his phd. They even come running to other videos like this one, swinging their swords for him. It just shows, how effective that sort of quacks are.

I think Mike’s brain is starting to slowly erode from the gear use… he’s been making some wild claims as of late

Mike is 100% correct

That outro is crazy

Finally. An appropriate critique of Mike. Please keep going.

spoke a lot of sense there

He is good to play credible guy but when you know stuff and follow Mike for few months you start to understand that he really doesnt know much about training or diet. First videos I thoght this guy knows a lot and then he started to get caught, again and again and now his videos seem to be just as ffull of crap as any average "bodybuilding" youtuber. He knows about anabolic steroids and how to make money thou.

Jonathan Warren did a few eye opening critique of Mike Israetels training techniques. I think the oldest one is from 3 months ago or there abouts. RU-vid Jonathan Warren.

I can do 15 pull-ups 😀

The fact that Tren literally causes insomnia yet still causes incredible gains, is further proof that steroids is far more anabolic than high quality sleep. You’re right on the money, sleep is absolutely essential for Natural lifters. But for Steroids users, the power of the drugs basically overrides any negative effects that sleep deprivation would normally cause.

Y'all, this guy does not do good research. If you want good information on health and fitness, seek out someone who is literate in science. Miche, PhD is an actual research scientist, go check her out instead. Edit: oh, and her content is all about reviewing actual studies on health and fitness/weight loss and interpreting the information. Just overall good science communication!

Good video mate! I seem to recall hearing a similar "fact" but in a more extreme example of e.g. only 3 or 4hrs sleep per night. For whatever reason I uncritically assumed that was correct...

I've lifted with dudes who have been on gear for years and you can't even tell that they're enhanced, and pail in comparison to advanced natty builders. Steroids aren't a guaranteed path to success but everyone needs sleep to grow, that is non-negotiable and there aren't even outlier examples to say otherwise.

Idk what made you turn your sights on this guy, but you might want to pick someone less loved by the exercise science community just until you build a bigger following lmao