Debunking the gear-crashing monster - LEGO 42113 V-22 Osprey fundamentally flawed? 

@GD_Jacobzamboni I checked your solution but it makes a linear connection between the 2 gears on the same level (and reverses the rotation meanwhile). The point of the three 8 tooth gears is to connect the lower and the upper sections, to transmit power between them.

Cheap plastic. This year has been bad for Lego quality IMO

How much money was the 200 ⚙️

10 EUR

It's not really abou quality change, the 8 tooth gears can take only this amount of force. If you put them in a not completely secured position then the slight changes in the forces will make a tiny dent at some point and after that the gear gets ruined quickly.

A lot.. I used at least 50 gears

@@RacingBrick Damn bro

@@RacingBrick That's dedication :)

@@noscil9403 we all technic fans ofc

Exactly. And don't forget about Indiana Jones theme with Nazis in it. Lego just used excuse that sounded better than admiting to pretty huge design flaw.

The chinook is also in civilian use. That why they don’t have a probleem with building a chinook

It's not actually because of the design, it's due to the fact this is a licensed set with Boeing and Bell, who are military contractors, thus buying this set is literally directly funneling money to a war effort

Thanks! It took some time (and a few gears) :)

@@RacingBrick well done.

Really? HAVE YOU BEEN OR SEEN A REAL V22 IN PERSON, HAVE YOU BEEN IN A V-22?! NO, SO SHUT UP.

@@brickmastersk8658 salty much?

The v22 is a nightmare to work on

@@brickmastersk8658 lmao, never seen someone react so strongly towards a V-22

@@brickmastersk8658 Any amount of research will show you that, yes they do malfunction quite a lot. Why do you think the military rarely uses them?

Lmfao

Tiltrotors, even though flawed, are probably my favorite type of vehicle and I love every single kind (cars, ships, trains, you name it, they're all awesome) so that says quite a lot. Not only are they cool but they also show extreme levels of ingenuity and show what us as a species is capable of

@@midgetman4206 Yeah, when will we get a gunship variant tho?

Let just forget about the nazi flying wing from the Indiana Jones series cus $$

@@TheRandompaint TBH, that one still counts as a fictional aircraft, that particular plane never existed, so it's the sam as a Star Wars ship.

@@eliaspeter7689 the Horten Ho 229? Because that plane did exist

@@tarbogamer5867 The Ho-229 was a prototype that flew 1 or 2 times... you're stretching it buddy😁

@@tarbogamer5867 The Ho229 was a jet powered flying wing design with no conventional rudder surfaces - the one in the movie was not based on a real aircraft, was piston/propellor driven, had rudders, and looked completely different to the Horten. The only 'similarity' was that it was a flying wing design. Having said that, the core of the debate (military/weaponry and Lego) is probably still valid, as most people wouldn't be able to tell it wasn't a real WW2 German aircraft - it's a ridiculous excuse either from Lego, or people who complained to Lego about it (I'm assuming somebody complained). It's a very fine line. Basically any aircraft and especially helicopter has a potential military application, armed or not. The V22 often flies unarmed. Lego has made an *obvious* CH47 Chinook replica (which flies armed), something very close to a Merlin, something very close to a CH53.....something very close to an F35 *cough* excuse me, 'Air Race Jet' (lol, sure)...the list goes on. I guess they didn't call them by their names, but still. Frankly, even if they want to be pedantic about 'no weaponry', then the simple fact that the type has an unarmed variant is good enough. Lego states that 'they aim to avoid realistic weapons and military equipment' - which basically means taking something without weapons, and slapping a non-military paintscheme on it, and calling it a 'rescue' aircraft (as they've done with many helicopters already) - why the Osprey got singled out remains a mystery to me, unless they wanted an easy out for a flawed design of course....

Softer clutch here: imgur.com/a/jzDK2Op

@@stevenpatton8628 interesting, I'll test it for sure

Aliexpresssss....

I wonder if the clutches eventually bind due to heat from friction.

@@SuperAlgae interesting idea

@@SuperAlgae that sounds likely. Any normal wear that they would exhibit would just wear down the friction nubs and make them *less* frictiony.

I agree!

Detechnive!

No that’s just how it’s cast

Dinosaur*

@@philswift9705 thats alot of damage

Yes it looks

I cant un see it now lol

Ahaha same

Igazán köszönöm :)

These need a redesign of the gearbox, currently there's no space for them

@@RacingBrick Also only using 2 gears the rotors would spin in the wrong direction.

@@SuperCougar1963 yes but its better than gear crushing

Even with gear problem Lego still can release updated version,just like they does in 8043 Motorized Excavator or Land Rover Defender

Then the metal gears would destroy the plastic axles and so on. Wherever metal meets plastic, metal wins.

@@RacingBrick or LEGO could redesign their gears

@@RacingBrick In this case it doesn't seem like the axles are too weak? I'd expect both the axles and (plastic) gears to get damaged in that case

Yeah when I put three together they are not as smooth as putting a bigger one next to it

@@hunter7476 it seems fine until the shafts are supported properly on both sides, then it's too tight. It would interesting to see if the drivetrain would be more reliable with less support, to allow some extra clearance on the gears

@@MonticelloSkateTeam yeah true it depends on what I’m using it for or the application and the way it’s mounted too

A nagy kérdés hogy hova viszed hátra :)

@@RacingBrick Egy modelt készítek róla, már elkezdtem. Ide nem tudom csatolni a képet róla. van olyan email címed, ahova majd küldhetem a javítást?

@@kasapeter5661 itt RU-vid-on az about fül alatt találod az e-mail címet

​@@RacingBrick megtaláltam

@@RacingBrick tegnap este elküldtem emailban a javítást

Since the rotors touch the ground when they are tilted forward it will happen for sure. Obviously you don't want to let it run for minutes, but the stress adds up with time. And since this is a toy for kids, safety systems inside should be there to protect the person but also the structure.

Don't think a set would be fully cancelled because of a construction problem, it happened before and it was corrected

@@RacingBrick That's a shame, I do hope Lego realizes that not all military vehicles are used for war. Like the Osprey is primarily used for rescues and transport. It's also a pretty nice build that I hope the designers are fully appreciated for. When I made the Mega Bloks Halo Falcon set, the first thing I thought was how I could motorize it, even if I had no motorized parts. I could buy all the parts individually but that could end up more expensive than the retail price.

@@MrMiraculon Not to mention Lego has no problems making UCS sets for the Sopwith Camel and Fokker Dr.1, both fighter planes from one of the bloodiest wars in history.

@@matthewseligman5470 they're creator sets, not UCS

If you replace the friction pins then thr system slips too much and the rotors won't rotate

Practically yes, but you need to remember that it is a toy, played by kids, and there will be scenarios for sure when it gets blocked. Especially because it will block if you try to run it tilted forward. This means the wear will add up and sooner or later the gears will get damaged.

@@RacingBrick since the set was canceled, I highly doubt any were purchased by parents for their kids, I bet every single set was bought by adult Lego fans

@@pokemaster123ism I'm totally sure that it was not designed with the future cancellation in mind.

You clearly missed the point that this is a kids toy and it might be jammed unintentionally, but on other LEGO builds in general there are safety systems preventing the not only motor damage but the damage of other parts as well.

There is a brick-built clutch but even that is too much. The transmission between the two layers needs reinforcement with more gears and stiffer support.

Metal gears would then destroy plastic axles, it does not solve the issue only puts it elsewhere.

@@RacingBrick very valid point, I can see even with the metal axles it destroys the bricks, there's a video of a metal axle stress test and the metal just destroys everything if its under any stress

Good idea but it does not fit in the same place

Honestly it seems that the main flaw of this design was not putting a clutch gear before the gearbox. Honestly shocked this didn’t come up in testing, as it would likely solve the problem.

You can still build it from parts

To try to simulate the effect of a longer period where a kid playing with the set would accidentally or willingly stop the blades for a few seconds, but a lot of times. All the other reports of the "faulty construction" were based on scenarios where the system was blocked and forced for a certain time.

The 1x5 0.5 liftarm is 11478, the rest is also part of the build (3L axle, gears, bush), you can check the numbers on rebrickable - rebrickable.com/sets/42113-1/bell-boeing-v-22-osprey/#parts

Thanks, new to this but have the set and wanting to have it usable

@@FourPlay26 I mean you should be good if you don't block the rotor blades.

Thanks

Hát látod, mik ki nem derülnek ennyi idő után :)

No

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Yeah, that sounded more like an engine on a winter morning than a lego gearbox *shudders

LDCad

Afaik there were sets produced and even delivered to shops because the release date was approaching and directly before relase Lego asked them to send them back.

They also rhyme with bare and mare.

more clutch means more resistance, higher stress on the motor

It is already cancelled

Because a limited stock reached the retailers before it was cancelled. Unfortunately this means that nowadays you can only buy it on the secondary market (e.g. eBay) for a much higher price.

That does not have a significant effect, blocking the rotors matters

Cuz Lego didnt have policy to produce modern military vechile

I will test other options going forward, will have a look at your solutions as well

And then they can destroy the axles...

Igen de bricklinken olcsóbb

@@_LLevi_ de hosszabb a kiszállítás

Bricklinken is rengeteg magyar eladó van, ezt is az egyikőjüktől rendeltem és 2 nap alatt itt volt a csomag.

@@RacingBrick És nincs vám?

@@akoshorvath-risko5838 Magyarországról magyar eladó küld neked egy csomagot, hol lenne vám?

if 8t gears mesh with 8t gears, you need 16t, I don't think there are more comparisons if 2 years that are 16t in total

Watch the video, no other gears fit in that 1 stud wide space. A complete redesign is needed if you want to use other gears.

@@ShunTechnicBricks dude can you read I said 2 gears that have 16t in total