Defend and Disarm a Stick Attack 

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The disappointment on mike's face when the stick just get thrown effortlessly even if he tries to hold into it tight is hilarious

I love how Ed gets the disarm and Mike looks like no way, grabs the stick to do it again and again and again. Great video Mike.

As soon as he did the stick disarm you could see Mike focus right in, he wanted that forbidden knowledge.

Mikes face when he tried to keep the stick in his hand and it still came right out is the funniest shit ever

My dad always had an axe handle incase he needed it in a fight. He always said "never swing for their head, they always see it coming, theyll grab it. Feint, then crack the knee as hard as you can, i dont care how big the mf is, they aint getting up after that"

There's something about understanding how gross motor movements work that comes from a guy with missing fingers. I love it!

As much as my favourite combo is IcyMike and Sensei Seth, I really do appreciate the recent videos bringing in a wide variety of experienced guys in different combat areas. Martial arts is best when we reach out and share our knowledge. Also even if not entirely realistic, I do think stick fighting is just really cool and looks awesome.

I've done stick sparring before (FMA practitioner for 10+ years). That "circling bullshit" that Ed does absolutely can work. Not that it'd reliably work, but I've had it done to me and did it myself. Felt real cool everytime I got it done. And you're right about the more esoteric, fine motor movements too. They're a whole lot harder to land and they hurt like hell if you mess them up

Mike’s face when he realizes he looks kinda like the old man doing Tai Chi in the park after he lands that disarm is fucking priceless 😆

The videos that come out of these meet-ups with other channels have been awesome. Thank you all for these :)

Just can't get enough of H2H and Icy Mike!

Seths stick fighting joke in the end is underrated

prepare for all the Silat/Kali/Bondo practitioners to come out of the woodwork.

I'm a Escryma Teacher and i totally agree with this guy. Flourishing pretty shit never works for real. There are a TON of wrist disarms that are actually very effective though, pull 'em off in sparring all the time. You're not gonna disarm a knife though, no way. Long objects though, really good chance you can

4:30 same thing in hema twisting weapons out the hand clock like

Took Kali for a few years, gross motor movements absolutely work in sparring far better then the flowery stuff. At least you have a much higher percentage of landing them.

"Dude if your teaching that stuff, you can't fight." replies "Your not wrong." Then at 4:20 mins in shows us some of the flowery shit he agreed wouldn't work 🤣. Salute.

Love these recent videos. The atmosphere is great. Cool to see each video is with someone else offering their insight/knowledge for a given situation.

Ed has such an elegant way of explaining things. Very polite and well spoken.

I love Mike's face of disbelief. You've done it before with wrist strips but slightly different. Using leverage to break someone's grip, same idea different application.

Oh boy! I said some mean things about Kali! 😅

These two working together is great viewing. It's actually nice to see guys from two completely different fighting styles looking at what they can learn from each other. Rather than what we see so often with one style saying their way is the only way, learn from everyone I say.

That disarm looks really fun, I'm practicing that one 😄. Thank you for sharing ☺️.

Great content. One of the techniques against the backhand taught at my wing chun school was to step in with a simple double forearm block to the weapon arm on the backswing, then elbow check with one hand and weapon wrap to disarm with the other. This at least allowed you to keep pressure forward when your opponent tried to back hand again and looked super cool if you could actually pull it off ;)

Congratulations on 400k Subscribers Mike, you've earned it!.

This was great. Thanks Ed.

I think the best thing for me on this channel has been seeing that gym fill up behind you with awesome people! I live in Scotland but I swear down if I'm ever in America Icy Mike is my go-to autograph goal!

Live how the stick disarm actually works and love Mike's reaction reaction more 🤣

I've watched several videos with Ed and I have not noticed his right hand until now!

I saw a guy try to block a metal pipe with his forearm without closing the distance. There's no better object lesson for what not to do than watching someone's forearm go floppy. The radius and ulna were both broken horribly. Less a fracture and more a shatter. Had to have his bones wired and screwed into place.

Never seen anything quite like this! Great video!

Excellent instruction! Finger gouges to the eyes are underrated and often available if close enough. People don't think about them because they are focused on looking cool while fighting. Lastly, I believe a defender should always shadow the hand holding the weapon without grabbing until you are ready to. This way you can partially guide where it goes and you know where it is without taking your eye off of the attacker. If you are on the inside of course. Great video, thank you!

Nice channel, great research done in a light hearted manner

Really fun! Thanks!

Great video and good timing. I just moved home to Manila and just this morning was working with an Arnis instructor at a park. He was showing me this same "snake" disarm, but he was telling me to grab the thumb of my opponent, which felt a little unrealistic. To his credit he showed me other, similar disarms depending on whether I could grab the hand, wrist, or weapon.

This is a good video. i like the defense of course someone would need to practice it for quite some time to get the muscle memory down, but its still simpler and probably more effective than some other ways.

"look at him, he feeld good now" lol! I love that background commentary

Good advice, good explanation of the importance of controlling the distance; good technique. I also like an option of grabbing the stick with your right hand (palm up) to strip it, instead of just knocking it away. Now you can use the stick if you need to. Always enjoy your videos! A lot of good stuff!

Damn, finally someone talking sense about stick-related things on the RU-vid. Have you noticed that the motion in question can be seen even in some TMA forms? For me, personally, Silat comes to mind. They like this motion a lot. On the matter of using sticks in self-defense situation. Well, I agree, it's not the most intuitive thing. Walking canes are a bit out of style as of late. But as my experience shows, it's not that much of a problem to bring it back, heh.

That disarm basically also exists in medieval dagger and I've done it in sparring (with blunts).

Very very good advice

Great video. Interestingly enough, this is all strongly in line with TaijiQuan principles too. Most don't know it's a blade based art as well, but it is, prioritizing Spear and Sword but including Daggers too. Everything from the "use gross motor movements and discard the fine/complex," to using the forearms as a primary interaction surface for safety against weapons, to the exact disarm shown here. The first half of the movement is in our forms as "Cloud Hands" or "Wave Hands Like Clouds,' and the finish is exactly the motion of "White Crane Spreading Wings" or "Wing Split". Super cool video

Awesome video. Good job Sifu Ed with the disarm. Enjoy the podcast with Sifu Ed Stahl. I hope to have another chat. Enjoy Hard2Hurt content. Deflecting to disarming a weapon knowing how to control the arms. Absolutely agree that knowing how to grapple which can help you to deal with a weapon if it goes to the grown. Having the sensitivity drills like hubud give you that concept of knowing how to redirect the weapon hand so you can get the disarm. Timing the distance of the weapon knowing how to read the movements of the attacker motion. Not saying that hubud is the key of learning disarming a weapon, but it is a good drill to give you the concept of it. Excellent video Mike and Ed.

Awesome stuff, nice to see a cool looking move that actually works! I do know a few but sadly the majority seem to be a very specific niche kind of thing.

Ed is Awesome. I enjoyed talking with him at the last seminar that I attended.

Excellent!

Knocked outta the park again! Could we get a part 2 maybe?? "You disarmed him, now what??". I think that a lot of people think that once you've taken the weapon away the bad guys are just going to take off. Love your stuff Mike

Good shit as usual!

Great video. I lead an FMA training group. We also add dirty boxing, clinch fighting and BJJ. Stick is really good for teaching timing, distance and how to manage the fear of somebody hitting you with a stick. But I tell my group that stick duels, knife duels, sword duels, etc. while fun in training aren't very realistic for self defense. So we spend some time every session doing "self defense" like defending against somebody with a bat or stick. When we do it looks exactly like what Ed is teaching except I've never learned that disarm Ed teaches Icy Mike. Looks sweet. We will be trying that one out this Saturday at our next session.

Been loving this channel for a while… would you do an episode on cane’s?

5:00 similar movement to Mawashi Uke in Naha-te Karate styles. Shows that techniques like this originally come from effective and natural body movements like arms rotating in different direction despite the fact that any practical use of such movements is predominantly ignored by modern clubs.

This makes me happy 😊

FMA that u see online is the art...the extensive flowery stuff is often things just to teach flow.

This might be the baddest dude with one good hand on the planet. Good stuff fellas!

That was Mike getting his mind blown again and again The way the stick comes out of the hand is perfect since it is being forced against the thumb. If someone has the thumb strong enough to not let the stick go, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE.

Nice one!

Love the video ! Lol teachers teaching students to put their hands up to block a stick. They are not teaching that that is the ideal technique to use but the fact is the reality is if somebody comes charging at you flailing a stick you will get blasted ! And your arms receiving it is a lot better than your face or a vital spot on your body. So it’s not that it’s the technique that you want to use but sometimes the only one that you can use and it’s damage control. Being that you receive damage then you react off of the hit because you got hit anyway . Yes the techniques of being able to enter in control the distance and be out of the effect of range of the stick is the ideal techniques to use as demonstrated in this video. However the reality is you’re probably going to get blasted while you are closing that distance. And therefore your arms would be the better place to receive it and you will still have to react off of that. It’s the same thing as if you were attacked with somebody who has a knife you’re going to get cut . It’s never the fact that well it’s just OK to get cut on your arms and then you just go do this and do that because that’s stupid because your arms just got cut . That’s not the case is the concept of if somebody charges at me with a knife wailing I’m probably going to get cut so I want to control that damage on my arms rather than my neck or my face or being stabbed in the body and then I’m gonna have to react off of that No it’s just training worst case scenario . And then separately training the ideal scenario. I love your videos keep them coming .

just when Mike hits the big "bullshit..." the ads pop XD perfect mid credits!

That's a classic Tang Soo Do, and Hapkido disarm, it's found in a variety of other styles as well. You'll find it many traditional korean, japanese karate, and chinese kungfu forms. There are many variations in forms of the same movements having various uses, or meanings sometimes, both in striking as well as grappling. The trapping arm can go over, under and around and strike to the groin, ribs or liver while trapping the arm/elbow joint --while simultaneously also defending or applying a forearm or elbow strike with the other arm, into a take down, or chop/hammerfist to the neck/temple/jaw.

Great technique! Looks realistic and grounded. I would like to see some defenses when the guy is holding the stick with both hands.

So there IS something effective AND cool!

Good vid - try going straight under the nose after the crash in with the free hand to get the opponent’s head back (with a view towards getting him onto the ground) - we‘ve had a lot of fun with this one 👍

Many videos are bunk but this was interesting and plausible.

Amazing

thank you bro

Awesome Video!

I was taught that exact disarm in an Arnis class...a lot of it is impractical but some of it does work.

We did a similar thing against slashing with knives, retreat on the first slash, and when they go for the reverse we would try to crash in and get a wakigatame... From there, either trip them over with basically a tai otoshi with a wakigatame grip, or change grip into an udegarami style grip and twist arround to.drop the oponent... We would do 2 minutes sparring rounds changing who gets the knife each time there was a dissarm First thing we noticed... Its very hard to not get hit at all... Just make sure you dont get butchered... Second thing, no matter how many times you practice knife sparring not having a knife yourself is stressfull when the lther guy has one, even if its a practice one... Also, in sparring we allowed any grip or attack, but the easiest techniques to defend from are the reverse slash and any straight downwards attack like a descending slash from above or an icepick grip descending stab... Also... ALWAYS WEAR EYE PROTECTION

Time to go into a dodgy part of town and self defence some guys with this cool ninja move I've never practiced

sticks are good self defense weapons specially a guy that knows even a little kali and sticks are vary fast weapons

I noticed the hand only watching for the second time..makes it even better now.

That’s sick

That was a slick disarm

Check out the french "Canne defènse". I think the french Police is still training it nowadays. I started with "Canne de Combat", which is the safe competition Version. Helps in learning to handle a cane under fatigue and pressure from your opponent.

It's probably the most high probability stick disarm. Sometimes called the 'snake' or 'snake and vine' disarm.

This is a great video !!! But , I'm still waiting for the promise HAMMER self defense course videos!!!

All the way in or all the way out. Nice mantra to live by for multiple things in life...

Me since forever: "I have terrible hand-strength and can't grapple or disarm." ... I have no answer for what I just saw. I learned so much. Thank you!

Thanks

LOL you guys are giving me a lot of memories from the past I used to actually walk around with anywhere from 12 to billy clubs bad neighborhood Dirtbag left and right you never know nobody at that time would fight one-on-one and if they did they would have their boys around so if they are losing or looks like you may know what you're doing they will jump in so if anything were to happen I was not going to put myself in a position where it's going to be a match and respect the rules of that match if I get into a fight with somebody 10-20 years ago and it looks like it's going to be similar to like a match like you would see in boxing or wrestling or whatever I am going to go into it that way if I have no choice obviously cuz I never liked fighting on purpose unless I'm angry but I'm still going to keep in mind to disrespect the rules of the match meaning that I will use whatever weapons I have is if it's a knife billy club a chain flashlight because sooner or later if it's a few seconds or few minutes it could be 20 years from now his friends are going to jump in eventually and that's something that I needed to be ready for when you're going against more than one person you definitely going to want a weapon to even it out as best as possible anyway and that's yeah that's what I would do a lot of moving I was in better shape then if I try that now I would guess South faster than I don't know faster than giant truck with no gas

The point he makes at the 7 minute point even if you don't have the torque advantage for a disarm you can lock it up or get in close to negate it and ruin them either way and continue to disarm or take control of the weapon to use on them

Good vid, thanks :)

I did combat arnis and karate-do (shodan)...and...I am absolutely with you.

4:20 That's scene for some kung fu movie, with Mike as young student and Ed as old, wise master that teaches him secret techniques

5:54 you need blue arrow on your head in that moment hehe (air bender thing) But! Sparrings with the sticks (real sparrings - not choreograohy or drills) are pretty crazy... I think that all selfdefense gurus should try it hehe

8:05 " You've already seen me and Ed stick fighting " LMFAO

That is interesting!!

Thoughts on using fabric (shirts, wraps, table cloth, etc.) for disarming??? I've seen it specifically used in fma and silat

I‘m not sure if he is referring to Sikiran Arnis, the Phillipine street fighting art that use ‘ twin escrima’ 19” sticks, the butterfly knife, plus kata and sparring. The dojo I attended Drilles mostly Hand to hand, with knife attack drills. The sticks were somewhat more ceremonial and I don’t recall this type of drill. I found Sikaran Arnis pretty cool.

This is very similar to Grappling in HEMA, we do many disarms similard to this

I agree that fma is not great for self defense, (it wasn’t meant for that) That flashy disarm moves etc etc…. I watched fma teachers saying don’t do it, it is just for the art but then again would you attack someone who practiced those moves a hundred of times. I know I wouldn’t. He said know your skill level first, run if possible if not be the aggressor do not maintain in the defensive position. This is a self defense youtube channel, where you can learn self-defense the most effective and practical way. I learned something from this video thank you.

we do this in hapkido, against knives where you go in on the second strike. But obv it works against anything swinging in that way.

Maybe I got it wrong, I am not a native speaker but you are bitching about how "FMA does not work in the streets" just to show a classical FMA disarm? 😉 There are a lot of FMA styles that use exactly that entry and similar follow ups like the one shown here. BTW FMA has to much variety to say if it works or not. It's not the style but the training method. I love your channel, it's just great. 💪👍

Fma that works I'd like to see more of that

That guy actually seems to know what he's talking about. Genuinely surprised it worked

The second part where blocking the backhand or closing in on the forehand is what we were thought in krav.

We have that in Bujinkan, too. Learned it like 21 years ago, right at the start. Totally makes sense given that your body was already 'preloaded' for the motion. You can't start it cold though - too much a way. If you're being surprised, better close it right away. Just don't intercept at the end where all the kinetic energy is - go to the upper arm and the root of the problem

Where are you ? Malaysia! I was in Kuala Lumpur at a market once...some Thai vendors and Malay vendors pushing carts around got into a fight. There was suddenly a cloud of tens of sticks flailing in the air. Everybody had a couple. We made distance naturally ... and fast

How Ed is using to disarm the stick is basically Lazily Tying the Coat in Taijiquan. In the sense of gross motor pattern.