@Carolina, I just hope that Lara can get out of Scientology ALL the way. These “SPTV” people don’t care about her! Aaron doesn’t give a flying fig about victims, and he wouldn’t walk across the street to help anybody if there wasn’t a dollar in it.
The thing with Arron and his incidences that you bring up he’s already talked about if there is something up with that where’s the evidence the chicks that were involved where their evidence, if there is no evidence than you have to take them at their word. I think it’s a fair point to bring up the others that are bringing up things about you doa like that you are this crazy person or whatever the people you call trolls are saying, you’ve explained yourself already and if there’s evidence then there’s evidence if there’s no evidence then those people shouldn’t say that stuff and we should believe you on your word. That’s what I think about the bringing up questions because questions are great but when someone answers the question to keep bringing it up implies some sort of conspiracy on either side right. But unless there’s evidence to prove someone I’d wrong that’s something different then we should all change that opinion when confronted with credible evidence or facts.
If the suggestion for past “bad” behavior is to “let it go” and “move on” then that means it should apply to everyone, including Mike Rinder. Also, if the suggestion is to keep situations private shouldn’t that apply to any of the channels that use their platform to express their upset with others? Aaron, including others have done this.
you can ask questions, but if you dont like nor believe the answers, its sort of a dead end investigation---Nora has some good points, and if people are bad actors, avoid them, and find those that you can work with
Scott... you're literally victim shaming while telling a victim she's victim shaming. Disgusting... Literally all people need help with mental health...
Beeing a victim do not give you a lifelong freepass to lie,misbehave, gaslight exclude, bully or not do or be better. You have your story and perseption- BUT I tell you this hand on heart; What happend last night and the way and tone Nora presented herself triggerd me so much and gave me flashbacks...NOT DOA... I am sorry if you got hurt by DOA and felt a tiny bit of what and how Nora made me feel...❤
@@Medusa48 yeah no it’s his tone for me lol and everything he said. He didn’t want to have a conversation, just wanted to flame, accuse, lie, and scream.
@@MarissaSMartinPDX ok, I didn't get that understanding or heard it that way:).. But to sisters in the same house can shock you when they tell you about theire childhood together...on telling about rainbow, butterflies magic , loving parentes and best childhood...the other on telling about monsters,nightmare,abuse and parentes breaking her down... So parallelle we see hear and interpreter individuelly...Sometimes it can help if open to look for someting concreat ,receits neutral party etc ,to broadend your understanding or the buildup beforhand.. For every action ,there is a reaction.. Thank you for sharing,and hope you will be open minded, fair and addressing others if they hurt someone,misbehave or makes you disgusted.. Ask questions, be fair, open minded and use your voice. Thank you ♡
Now I know the real problem here (one of many) is DOA doesn't have a clue about how foundation work actually happens. The SPtv foundation certainly isn't the only foundation protecting the privacy of its vulnerable clients, for what should be blatantly obvious reasons. Meaning that this isn't anything like a legit question, unless the point of the "question" is to put the foundation and the victims in harm's way by getting a foundation member to violate privacy and expose victims that want their privacy respected? Altho, I do know somebody who was helped by the SPtv foundation because they chose to say so themself (as per their right) and that's Jeff (PTS for Life), who received a scholarship to go to school for couseling cult survivors. Also, whenever somebody is asked a question and their repeated go-to is what-about-ism, then everybody is well advised to recognize that as a GIANT RED FLAG. In other words, if somebody else did the same bad thing that you did but was not called out on it, neither is absolved for the bad action and pointing to others is just deflecting or dodging responsibility. We all can only be responible for our own actions and nobody else's similar or same behavior has ANYTHING to do with that fact.
Wow this is very triggering reminds me of chuches me and my ex husband pastor. The decons and the members and leaders of the churches would attack and cause discord and confusion and destroy our churches. One time a decon pulled a knif out on my husband. I left the ministry 15 years ago and I am in therapy still today and do not socialize and have become an introvert. This breaks my heart 😢 I cant get through the rest of this, im sorry 😢
Thank god I finally have my answer. I’ve I felt like I’ve been through the wringer trying to figure out what is going on and where I think the truth lies. 😅
The SPTV foundation helps people that leave the cult. It is new and actually Liz is the first person that has asked for help!!! And was approved.. but she didn’t need the money for the shots cause they had a fund raiser. So they pay her therapy.. which isn’t cheap and Adorr it’s no one’s business that she gets therapy!! Jesus Christ you want a loaf of what they don It has to be private … Jesus you ask about why they don’t. Having privacy is safe.. Everyone loved you.
He didn't Lara. and Liz were doing alive. there a couple days ago. Reminiscing about childhood and Lara. asked a couple questions that were kind of out of pocket. And Aaron ended up joining the stream. Things were said. I don't think the hearing attacked Lara. I do feel bad. for everyone involved. Anyway, they deleted the stream. I don't know whose account it was on. If it was on Liz's or Lara. But I think Nora said it was on Zenu Andy. I watched it and I just II don't feel. like anyone has. the right information. And I don't think there is any right information.
Correction. Par for the course, Aaron bullied his way into a woman’s chat because he was furious that he wasn’t being given enough kudos for money he gave to Liz. Then he proceeded to speak over both of those women in a belligerent manner. It was disgusting, and yet another graphic display of how he treats women. Both of the women seemed terrified to say anything, for fear he wouldn’t like it. He’s a con and a jerk, and his “foundation” is a corporation. He does not have charity status.
It is impossible to converse with someone who doesn’t want understanding. Some many people have seen the good in you, Scott, which is the only reason everyone is trying to get so hard to come to an understanding with you! Don’t you see that?
?what of Aaron"s issues are you refering to? And please tell me in what way they where addresse? Please be as detailed and informative as possible,so if I missed something- you can help me❤
As an independent viewer, I have questions of ex-Scientologists. The psychology of this is fascinating. 1. If someone has a dissenting opinion how triggered are you? Maybe free thought still interferes with what you were taught in Scientology? 2. Is someone who has shown to harass women someone you want to stake your moral code on? 3. How comfortable are you to allow attacks on other ex-Scientologists like Lara and Liz who fought to have a voice and free will to speak their truth? It seems to outsiders that the mob mentality and shunning are exactly what cults do. 😞. I don’t always agree with DOA’s tactics and delivery but I see him as a messenger breaking up the cult thinking and for at least Lara and Liz they will be stronger for it 💪!
‘In psychology, projecting refers to attributing one's own negative traits or unwanted emotions to others without being aware of doing so. It is a defense mechanism where individuals unconsciously assign their own thoughts, feelings, or characteristics onto another person or group.’
The fact that Nora, or most of the ex-Sciento's, use the phrase "normal adult" and state what "normal adults" should do is laughable. Most of their "normal" is majorly off. Not their fault, but, be realistic here.
I get what you are saying :)..In the same token- i actually DOA ended up on top for once,because HE got some importante info and pices to his puzzel.He leads with an excample regard this- He lets people come up on panels ask questions and stand in the moment even if a shitstorm brueing .. IT also put some fire back in his voice and he sure as hell did not go and hide under the bed afterwards😊 But I for sure felt like you,in a strooong way😅😂I wanted to pull the internet down again for a while if I could,😂 I knew she was not bringing an olive branch and i was scared i tell you... She also got exposed in lies ,even the blind ones can't unsee that...they can try- but I ,we know-THEY now know !!!!
There is nothing you can do to make DV, mental abuse & trauma go away. These memories stay with you forever. You can be an empathetic listener, give reassurance & validate the victim is truthful. Good memories will begin to grow and cover the deep roots of pain. I'm speaking from my own experience. And being an empath is an emotional calling. Write it down in your journal. Know you will always be there for that person. It will help to alleviate the heavy burden off your mind. ASL is toxic. He's an inarticulate dime store wanna be master. His followers are stagnant. There is no growth that I have seem. They rehash bad memories & he retraumatizes them with his cult learned behaviors. He wants to keep everyone under his thumd.
ASL & Nora have had anti-Scientology channels for nine years. They have accomplished very little in that time, especially compared to the LA protesters and DOA. Nora is a little more entertaining than ASL but that's not saying much. She said more than once that she speaks to ASL almost daily, that he is her good friend, and she would defend her friends in public even if they are wrong.
I’ve put a lot of thought lately into why, I stand beside and support you. You are the voice for the silent or those being silenced. You are the voice for those who accept people for who they are regardless, the facet of differences. You are the voice that doesn’t let others stigmatize mental health difficulties or exceptionalities. I stand with you because, your instincts are to protect those in harms way is always forefront, even in the fear of your own safety. I shared your fear at that time. I saw the work you’ve done behind the scene continuing to protect those while keeping yourself as safe as possible. I’ve really come to my understanding what DOA stands for and I’m behind all of that. Hopefully, the tint will be removed and others will see beyond the illusion that is being placed by others. I typically don’t express myself on here but, you’ve helped me to find my voice. Keep fighting, those who stand with you, are in the know. Scientology is cult, kids can’t consent, and survivor stories matter and their voices should never silenced. I could be wrong but, I’m starting to understand that Scientology is a disturbing piece of a puzzle in a bigger picture - and that makes me very uncomfortable.
Are you able to be self reflective and introspective, Scott? Have you even considered that it is you as the villain in your life story? You villainize everyone around you, yet take no accountability for your actions. Please consider that your problems and subsequent suffering may be caused mainly by yourself. You are reckless with your accusations, hurting others(and yourself in the process), without the receipts. Your projecting. The things you accuse others of doing, are things you have done yourself. I cannot decide if you are aware of your self sabotaging antics, or if you are incapable of seeing it. ‘In psychology, projecting refers to attributing one's own negative traits or unwanted emotions to others without being aware of doing so. It is a defense mechanism where individuals unconsciously assign their own thoughts, feelings, or characteristics onto another person or group.’
Answering Nora’s RO’s, the reason DOA has got so many against him is because he pushes the buttons of CoS & LaPoo, their reactions being RO/anti slap. So yes he IS having an effect in the fight against Cos. Need more like him
And one more thing. your chat DOA. You know, I'm gonna call you Scott. That's your name. Your chat was toxic yesterday. Mental health is not a joke. Expecting Nora to pick. Nora to pick up. your sarcasm about Lara. getting poked by a needle. and going to see a chiropractor? How is anyone supposed to pick up on that? It's not something to be sarcastic about. He used to be an EMT needle pokes are very serious. And by if nor had laughed because she? happened to catch this. sarcastic about someone you love. ? Then that would have been a problem. . ever. Do you even care about her at all? Like, that's not funny. Nora was legitimately concerned about Lara You could tell it's not. anyway, none of this is doing any good. I really think you should get some help. And you're going to do what you're going to do. But in my opinion, Talk to somebody before. somebody gets hurt Some people do care regardless of what you do or what you don't do. I don't want to see you hurt. That is not a threat. That is not anything. I cannot stand by and watch someone spiral. and not say anything. It's your choice whether you listen or not. But I really do hope you get some help. I'm not going to delete my prior comment because I don't need to hide behind anything. I said what I said. I meant what I said. To be clear, Liz did lie. It's a fact that. doesn't mean she's any less than anybody else. That means that she also needs to reach out for some help to learn how to create boundaries. That's something I still have to do. I don't know, Liz. I'm not going to pretend to. I'm just going off of what I see. hear. Just my opinion. except for video evidence, which is fact. Get some help. Scott.And one more thing. your chat DOA. You know, I'm gonna call you Scott. That's your name. Your chat was toxic yesterday. Mental health is not a joke. Expecting Nora to pick. Nora to pick up. your sarcasm about Lara. getting pot by a needle. and going to see a chiropractor? Do you even care about her at all? Like, that's not funny. Nora was legitimately concerned about Lara You could tell it's not. anyway, none of this is doing any good. I really think you should get some help. And you're going to do what you're going to do. But in my opinion, Talk to somebody before. somebody gets hurt Some people do care regardless of what you do or what you don't do. I don't want to see you hurt. That is not a threat. That is not anything. I cannot stand by and watch someone spiral. and not say anything. It's your choice whether you listen or not. But I really do hope you get some help. I'm not going to delete my prior comment because I don't need to hide behind anything. I said what I said. I meant what I said. To be clear, Liz did lie. It's a fact that. doesn't mean she's any less than anybody else. That means that she also needs to reach out for some help to learn how to create boundaries. That's something I still have to do. I don't know, Liz. I'm not going to pretend to. I'm just going off of what I see. hear. Just my opinion. except for video evidence, which is fact. Get some help. Scott.
Don’t forget everyone, if you need help diagnosing something, Nora has got your back. If you need to know how you’re feeling, she’s got you for that too. 😂😂 And the best part is that you are not a victim unless you get a person charged for the crime.🍌
@Snaketology thanke you ,also my thought amongst alot more. I just don't know where to start after yesterday shitstorm from a very loud vocal spokesperson 'S (one speak ,but i know by now and hear someone else in the "backround" ) . But i am going to work hardere for DOA not belive in all this bs from all the minime Noras and AArons" out there and to help him see that he to helps many many folks in all sorts of way AND to keep him being himself.We don't have to like everything he do or say all the time- but he is real . We relate and also learn from him in different ways. I sure hope m more speak up in support of Scott, or sendchim some love- even if they feel they are going up against the "power people " - the time is now.❤
I had high hopes that she was her own person and not a puppet for someone else... I think she could be a great fighter and protector for many(or i thought) I gave her the benefit of doubt but she let me down.. I for some reason, think she will have to look at AAron in a different light soon.
I’m baffled how anyone not in a cult sided with Nora’s bullshit on this. You can take the people out of the cult, but the mentality clearly remains. In the real world, Scientology circular arguing and bullbaiting don’t usually work. Try it in court and see what happens. I hope you keep yelling the inconvenient truths and asking the inconvenient questions from the rooftops. 📢
I want to apologize for everyone writing their own damn book on here. You are the only protester I want to watch.SPTV IS A DISGRACE, to let KKAREN run it...!!!?? Really? WTF I appreciate you and your trolls are not stronger than US you and your Chat.I hope this really helps you as you help all of US .💯❤️❤️🧡🧡
Hi @KrackheadKenny...i just want to say that i belive you now about what you brought up live some time ago and gave DOA a headsup on a player I give you respect for saying it out loud ,knowing the persons "status" and everyone loves him...AND he do alot of good.. i held my breath when you said it😅 But I agree,DOA needed to know you had a iffy feeling... Thank you for having DOA 's back❤
the protesters are calling out the telephone numbers all these months.. i was shocked to hear Aaron laugh and say noone answers that calls. so assuming there is voicemail they can leave a message. But if someone needed urgent help to get out and from everything i hear they dont have phones or internet.. So as a scenerio how Crazyloveislove was saying... if they came up to a protesters... the first thing the protester would do is ring that number not mess about giving them an email or even getting up email on a second phone while protester is live streaming.. not all protesters have 2 phones.. its so silly.. they need to start answering phone or dont advertise it at all.. to me personal;ly SPTV dont have their act together
The thing with Arron and his incidences that you bring up he’s already talked about if there is something up with that where’s the evidence the chicks that were involved where their evidence, if there is no evidence than you have to take them at their word. I think it’s a fair point to bring up the others that are bringing up things about you doa like that you are this crazy person or whatever the people you call trolls are saying, you’ve explained yourself already and if there’s evidence then there’s evidence if there’s no evidence then those people shouldn’t say that stuff and we should believe you on your word. That’s what I think about the bringing up questions because questions are great but when someone answers the question to keep bringing it up implies some sort of conspiracy on either side right. But unless there’s evidence to prove someone Is wrong that’s something different then we should all change that opinion when confronted with credible evidence or facts until then it’s important to have an open mind and take them at their word.
id love to be pointed in the right direction here I haven’t seen that stuff with the police thing I’ve seen the video but I didn’t see the problem with it because it’s a he said she said thing witnesses could’ve only seen certain elements of the encounter I’m not putting much weight on it because it’s obviously could’ve been handled different but as of right now I’ll believe Aaron at his word because I haven’t seen anything otherwise. But point me in the right direction to see what you are talking about about the screenshots or something.
The SPTV foundation helps people that leave the cult. It is new and actually Liz is the first person that has asked for help!!! And was approved.. but she didn’t need the money for the shots cause they had a fund raiser. So they pay her therapy.. which isn’t cheap and Adorr it’s no one’s business that she gets therapy!! Jesus Christ you want a loaf of what they don It has to be private … Jesus you ask about why they don’t. Having privacy is safe.. Everyone loved you.
