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Definite Atonement 

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@BirdieSenpai
@BirdieSenpai 8 месяцев назад
I struggled with Definite Atonement, for a few months after becoming a "Four Point Calvinist," which I have since come to understand is no Calvinist at all, and it was a video of John MacArthur asking a woman if Christ's Atonement was actual or potential, with the correct answer being actual, that it began to sink in that, just as the Father does not fail to elect and the Holy Spirit does not fail to regenerate, the Son does not fail to atone. If Christ died for the sins of a person, that person is saved, do pass GO and do collect $200. I have come to understand that the election of the Father, the atonement of the Son, and the regeneration of the Holy Spirit are a package deal, the parts of which are all effectual and cannot fail. If the Father elected someone, then the Son died for that someone, and, if the Son died for that someone, then the Spirit will regenerate that someone, no exceptions.
@casualgamer542
@casualgamer542 7 месяцев назад
Just because Christ died for all doesn't mean that it results in all believing. Something can be provided for everyone but not accepted by everyone. 2 Peter 2:1 "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction." We see from this that Jesus died for even the unbelieving false teachers! 1 John 2:2 says, "He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world." There is not a single passage in which "world" (Greek: kosmos) means "elect" - Peace and God bless.
@user-xq2bm3nq8y
@user-xq2bm3nq8y 7 месяцев назад
Well look at this. Doug Wilson on Piper’s channel. Certainly this means that Doug endorses Piper’s penchant for ignoring abortion so as to preserve his holy calling, right? John Piper, 10-22-2020: “I will not develop some calculus to determine which path of destruction I will support. That is not my duty. My calling is to lead people to see Jesus Christ, trust his forgiveness for sins, treasure him above everything in this world, live in a way that shows his all-satisfying value, and help them make it to heaven with love and holiness. That calling is contradicted by supporting either pathway to cultural corruption and eternal ruin.” So everyone who voted for Trump because he was the one sovereignly chosen by God to end Roe compromised their gospel duty and went askance of all your high-minded gospel ideals? Yeah, ok, Piper. Right. If only we were as holy and as justifiably self-righteous as you. We just wanted to save babies, that’s all…
@PaulLee-rs8uw
@PaulLee-rs8uw 8 месяцев назад
To me, atonement of Christ means reconcilation of God and man by Christ's sacrificial death on the cross. Exdous 12:5❤ Exodus 12:11❤ Exodus 12:14❤ John 1:29❤ 1 Corinthians 5:7❤ Ephesians 1:7( forgiveness❤) Romans 5:1( Peace❤) 2 Corinthians 5:19( Reconcilation😊❤) 2 Corinthians 5:21( Righteousness😊❤) Romans 3:24-26( Justification😊❤) Ephesians 2:18( Access to God😊❤) 1 John 1:7( Cleansing❤) Galatians 5:1( Liberty😊❤) Hebrews 2:14( Freedom from the devil's power) Hebrews 2:17-18( Christ ( Jesus'😊1st❤)'s intercession ) And the Day of Atonement Leviticus 16:30;❤ Leviticus 16:34❤ Hebrews 9:8-28😊❤ Genesis 1:28-31❤ and 1 Timothy 4:4-5❤ Genesis 1:28-31, " 28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, " Be friuitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens( again remembering Genesis 1:1) and over every living thing that moves on the earth."( ESV) Pause at Genesis 1:28 "As God had blessed the sea and sky creature( just like Genesis 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, " Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let the birds multiply on the earth."( Genesis 1:22 ESV)) , so too he blesses humanity. Therefore the phase of " Be fruitful and multiply"( Genesis 1:28 middle of the verse ESV). " This motif recurs throughout Genesis in associationnwith divine blessing((please) read Genesis 9:1, Genesis 9:7; Genesis 17:20; Genesis 28:3; Genesis 35:11; Genesis 48:4) and serve as the basis of the biblical view that raising faithful children is a part of God's creation plan for mankind."( ESV) " God's creation plan is that the whole earth should be populated by those who know him and who serve wisely as his vice- regent or representatives."( ESV) So in Genesis 1:28b " Subdue it, and have dominon." " The term " subdue" ( Hebrew. kabash) elsewhere means to bring a people or a land into subjection so that it will yield service to the one subduing it( Numbers 32:22; Numbers 32:29). Here the idea is that the man and woman are to make the earth's resources beneficial for themselves, which implies( indirectly point to) that they would investigatw and develop the earth's resource to make them useful for human being geneally."( ESV) Again in Genesis 1:28 "28 Over every living thing" ( Genesis 1:28b ESV) " As God's representatives, human beings are to rule over everything on the earth. These commands are not, however, a mandate( must or have to), to exploit the earth and its creatures to satisfy human greed, for the fact that Adam and Eve were "in the image of God"( Genesis 1:27) implies God's expectation that human beings will use the earth wisely and govern it with the same sense of responsibility and care that God has toward the whole of his creation( include us in Christ)."( ESV) Now resume back to Genesis 1:29-31 "29 And God said, " Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit."( natural fruit has seed in it. ) You shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has breath of life, I have given green :) plant( :) ) for food." And it was so."( ESV) ( I thank God who gave us so many green plant or vegetables and fruits(e.g . apples or oranges) to eat from too. In Jesus'name, i pray( Thanksgiving) amen. Resume back to Genesis 1:31 "31 And God saw everthing that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day." ( Genesis 1:31 ESV and above original meant to share Genesis 1:28-31 ESV) In Genesis 1:31, " Having precious affirm on six occasions that particular aspects of creation are "good"( verses Genesis 1:4,4a, Genesis 1:10 or 10b; Genesis 1:12 or 12b; Genesis 1:18 or18b; Genesis 1:21 or 21b; Genesis 1:25 or 1:25b), God now states, after the creation of the man and the woman, that "everything"( Genesis 1:31a ESV) he has made is very good( " very good " Genesis 1:31a ESV); the additional behold( " behold"Genesis 1:31a ESV) invite the readers to imagine seeing creation from God's vantage point. While many things do not appear to be good about the present- day world, this was not so at the beginning."( ESV) " Genesis goes on to explain why things have change, indicating that no blame should be contribute to God(😊100%❤ ). Everything he created was very good(😊❤ ): it answer to God's purposes and expresses his own overflowing❤ goodness😊❤. Despite the invasion of sin( chapter 3 or Genesis 3:1-24( The Fall), the material creation retain it goodness(cf. 1 Timothy 4:4)."( ESV) Thank God for 1 Timothy 4:4 too. In Jesus'name, i pray( 1 Timothy 4:4). Amen 1 Timothy 4:4 "4 For everything created by God(😊100%❤) is good(😊❤), and nothing is to be rejected if it is received❤ with thanksgiving😊❤ , "( 1 Timothy 1:4 ESV. Amen.😊❤ . Thank God for the one who gave me a id plastic holder and another someome who gave me a fruit apple( fruit apple) too. I thank God and I appreciate you. In Jesus'name, i pray( 1 Timothy 4:4; John 13:34❤). Amen) 1 Timothy 4:5 "5 for( because) it is made holy by the word 😊❤ of God( 😊100%❤ ) and prayer(😊❤)."( 1 Timothy 4:5 ESV Amen.) In Jesus'name, i pray( Matthew 28:19-20 😊❤and Romans 8:28❤ ). Amen.
@PaulLee-rs8uw
@PaulLee-rs8uw 8 месяцев назад
Exdous 12:5❤ Exodus 12:11❤ Exodus 12:14❤ John 1:29❤ 1 Corinthians 5:7❤ Ephesians 1:7( forgiveness❤) Romans 5:1( Peace❤) 2 Corinthians 5:19( Reconcilation😊❤) 2 Corinthians 5:21( Righteousness😊❤) Romans 3:24-26( Justification😊❤) Ephesians 2:18( Access to God😊❤) 1 John 1:7( Cleansing❤) Galatians 5:1( Liberty😊❤) Hebrews 2:14( Freedom from the devil's power) Hebrews 2:17-18( Christ ( Jesus'😊1st❤)'s intercession ) And the Day of Atonement Leviticus 16:30;❤ Leviticus 16:34❤ Hebrews 9:8-28😊❤ Genesis 1:28-31❤ and 1 Timothy 4:4-5❤ Genesis 1:28-31, " 28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, " Be friuitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens( again remembering Genesis 1:1) and over every living thing that moves on the earth."( ESV) Pause at Genesis 1:28 "As God had blessed the sea and sky creature( just like Genesis 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, " Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let the birds multiply on the earth."( Genesis 1:22 ESV)) , so too he blesses humanity. Therefore the phase of " Be fruitful and multiply"( Genesis 1:28 middle of the verse ESV). " This motif recurs throughout Genesis in associationnwith divine blessing((please) read Genesis 9:1, Genesis 9:7; Genesis 17:20; Genesis 28:3; Genesis 35:11; Genesis 48:4) and serve as the basis of the biblical view that raising faithful children is a part of God's creation plan for mankind."( ESV) " God's creation plan is that the whole earth should be populated by those who know him and who serve wisely as his vice- regent or representatives."( ESV) So in Genesis 1:28b " Subdue it, and have dominon." " The term " subdue" ( Hebrew. kabash) elsewhere means to bring a people or a land into subjection so that it will yield service to the one subduing it( Numbers 32:22; Numbers 32:29). Here the idea is that the man and woman are to make the earth's resources beneficial for themselves, which implies( indirectly point to) that they would investigatw and develop the earth's resource to make them useful for human being geneally."( ESV) Again in Genesis 1:28 "28 Over every living thing" ( Genesis 1:28b ESV) " As God's representatives, human beings are to rule over everything on the earth. These commands are not, however, a mandate( must or have to), to exploit the earth and its creatures to satisfy human greed, for the fact that Adam and Eve were "in the image of God"( Genesis 1:27) implies God's expectation that human beings will use the earth wisely and govern it with the same sense of responsibility and care that God has toward the whole of his creation( include us in Christ)."( ESV) Now resume back to Genesis 1:29-31 "29 And God said, " Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit."( natural fruit has seed in it. ) You shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has breath of life, I have given green :) plant( :) ) for food." And it was so."( ESV) ( I thank God who gave us so many green plant or vegetables and fruits(e.g . apples or oranges) to eat from too. In Jesus'name, i pray( Thanksgiving) amen. Resume back to Genesis 1:31 "31 And God saw everthing that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day." ( Genesis 1:31 ESV and above original meant to share Genesis 1:28-31 ESV) In Genesis 1:31, " Having precious affirm on six occasions that particular aspects of creation are "good"( verses Genesis 1:4,4a, Genesis 1:10 or 10b; Genesis 1:12 or 12b; Genesis 1:18 or18b; Genesis 1:21 or 21b; Genesis 1:25 or 1:25b), God now states, after the creation of the man and the woman, that "everything"( Genesis 1:31a ESV) he has made is very good( " very good " Genesis 1:31a ESV); the additional behold( " behold"Genesis 1:31a ESV) invite the readers to imagine seeing creation from God's vantage point. While many things do not appear to be good about the present- day world, this was not so at the beginning."( ESV) " Genesis goes on to explain why things have change, indicating that no blame should be contribute to God(😊100%❤ ). Everything he created was very good(😊❤ ): it answer to God's purposes and expresses his own overflowing❤ goodness😊❤. Despite the invasion of sin( chapter 3 or Genesis 3:1-24( The Fall), the material creation retain it goodness(cf. 1 Timothy 4:4)."( ESV) Thank God for 1 Timothy 4:4 too. In Jesus'name, i pray( 1 Timothy 4:4). Amen 1 Timothy 4:4 "4 For everything created by God(😊100%❤) is good(😊❤), and nothing is to be rejected if it is received❤ with thanksgiving😊❤ , "( 1 Timothy 1:4 ESV. Amen.😊❤ . Thank God for the one who gave me a id plastic holder and another someome who gave me a fruit apple( fruit apple) too. I thank God and I appreciate you. In Jesus'name, i pray( 1 Timothy 4:4; John 13:34❤). Amen) 1 Timothy 4:5 "5 for( because) it is made holy by the word 😊❤ of God( 😊100%❤ ) and prayer(😊❤)."( 1 Timothy 4:5 ESV Amen.) In Jesus'name, i pray( Matthew 28:19-20 😊❤and Romans 8:28❤ ). Amen.
@PaulLee-rs8uw
@PaulLee-rs8uw 8 месяцев назад
Matthew 7:13-14( The Narrow( Jesus😊1st❤) and wide gates) "13 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate( Jesus😊1st❤) and narrow( Jesus😊1st❤) the road to lead to life( Jesus( John 14:6😊❤)), and only a few find it."( Matthew 7:13-14 Zondervan NIV Study Bible) Genesis 1:28-31 " 28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, " Be friuitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens( again remembering Genesis 1:1) and over every living thing that moves on the earth."( ESV) Pause at Genesis 1:28 "As God had blessed the sea and sky creature( just like Genesis 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, " Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let the birds multiply on the earth."( Genesis 1:22 ESV)) , so too he blesses humanity. Therefore the phase of " Be fruitful and multiply"( Genesis 1:28 middle of the verse ESV). " This motif recurs throughout Genesis in associationnwith divine blessing((please) read Genesis 9:1, Genesis 9:7; Genesis 17:20; Genesis 28:3; Genesis 35:11; Genesis 48:4) and serve as the basis of the biblical view that raising faithful children is a part of God's creation plan for mankind."( ESV) " God's creation plan is that the whole earth should be populated by those who know him and who serve wisely as his vice- regent or representatives."( ESV) So in Genesis 1:28b " Subdue it, and have dominon." " The term " subdue" ( Hebrew. kabash) elsewhere means to bring a people or a land into subjection so that it will yield service to the one subduing it( Numbers 32:22; Numbers 32:29). Here the idea is that the man and woman are to make the earth's resources beneficial for themselves, which implies( indirectly point to) that they would investigatw and develop the earth's resource to make them useful for human being geneally."( ESV) Again in Genesis 1:28 "28 Over every living thing" ( Genesis 1:28b ESV) " As God's representatives, human beings are to rule over everything on the earth. These commands are not, however, a mandate( must or have to), to exploit the earth and its creatures to satisfy human greed, for the fact that Adam and Eve were "in the image of God"( Genesis 1:27) implies God's expectation that human beings will use the earth wisely and govern it with the same sense of responsibility and care that God has toward the whole of his creation( include us in Christ)."( ESV) Now resume back to Genesis 1:29-31 "29 And God said, " Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit."( natural fruit has seed in it. ) You shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has breath of life, I have given green :) plant( :) ) for food." And it was so."( ESV) ( I thank God who gave us so many green plant or vegetables and fruits(e.g . apples or oranges) to eat from too. In Jesus'name, i pray( Thanksgiving) amen. Resume back to Genesis 1:31 "31 And God saw everthing that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day." ( Genesis 1:31 ESV and above original meant to share Genesis 1:28-31 ESV) In Genesis 1:31, " Having precious affirm on six occasions that particular aspects of creation are "good"( verses Genesis 1:4,4a, Genesis 1:10 or 10b; Genesis 1:12 or 12b; Genesis 1:18 or18b; Genesis 1:21 or 21b; Genesis 1:25 or 1:25b), God now states, after the creation of the man and the woman, that "everything"( Genesis 1:31a ESV) he has made is very good( " very good " Genesis 1:31a ESV); the additional behold( " behold"Genesis 1:31a ESV) invite the readers to imagine seeing creation from God's vantage point. While many things do not appear to be good about the present- day world, this was not so at the beginning."( ESV) " Genesis goes on to explain why things have change, indicating that no blame should be contribute to God(😊100%❤ ). Everything he created was very good(😊❤ ): it answer to God's purposes and expresses his own overflowing❤ goodness😊❤. Despite the invasion of sin( chapter 3 or Genesis 3:1-24( The Fall), the material creation retain it goodness(cf. 1 Timothy 4:4)."( ESV) Thank God for 1 Timothy 4:4 too. In Jesus'name, i pray( 1 Timothy 4:4). Amen 1 Timothy 4:4 "4 For everything created by God(😊100%❤) is good(😊❤), and nothing is to be rejected if it is received❤ with thanksgiving😊❤ , "( 1 Timothy 1:4 ESV. Amen.😊❤ . Thank God for the id holder and the apple too. In Jesus'name, i pray( 1 Timothy 4:4). Amen) 1 Timothy 4:5 "5 for( because) it is made holy by the word 😊❤ of God( 😊100%❤ ) and prayer(😊❤)."( 1 Timothy 4:5 ESV Amen.) In Jesus'name, i pray( Matthew 28:19-20 😊❤ ). Amen.
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