@@Potandthekettle he was saying it theoretically not directly towards Zach…For instance if i say Jason Kielce there is no doubt you’ll say yes dude was hand down the best center in the league unanimously during a time period .. now if i say Julio Jones you might be like well damn what about Hopkins, Brown, Evans, Cupp?. If you can compare him or question if he was ever the best during a certain period then its a no
@@cjclark7010 But he was specifically talking about Zach Thomas. Did you even watch the video? You literally just named examples and he couldn't. You're making my point for me 🤷♂
NFL hall of fame is voted on by former players and coaches and people involved in the league. Owens was left out of the first ballot because he was a spiteful manchild who's influence in the locker room often negated his contributions on the field. While Owens should have been first ballot, I don't find it sad that he is not. This is what happens to someone who burns as many bridges as TO did.
Pfisiar22 Fuck that. T.O. deserved to be first ballot hall of fame period. He’s not the first and definitely won’t be the last guy to act like that and is HOF worthy. Randy Moss, another diva and yet he was able to get in no problem with numbers that aren’t as good as T.O.
Drafted 1st round in consecutive seasons and it would have been 1C with Sean Taylor drafted the next year had he not be lost. Sean Taylor might have been more revolutionary.
Pulla Dunn Ed reed reminds me of Rod Woodson. A ball hawk. Int return specialist. But with a Miami Hurricane toughness. Polamalu reminded me of Junior Seau if he were to play the Safety position. A huge gambler instinctively and also from USC. Nobody has ever seen an Islander Play Safety in the NFL and become a HOFer at it. He definitely revolutionized it by opening the doors up for future generations. Islanders now play positions like QB (Tuavailoa) and he probably would’ve been sent to linebacker or backup lineman had it not been for Troy showing that you can play something outside of the box (pun intended). Reed revolutionized by being a Cover Corner with the toughness to play safety. He opened the door for Miami Safeties. Sean Taylor was next. He also proved that you don’t have to be this monster looking safety to dominate a game. He revolutionized the game by becoming such a threat that every team now had to have that free safety superstar on their defense and it started to show on payday. Troy Polamalu was drafted in RESPONSE to Ed Reed because they needed somebody LIKE that to stay on Par. Revolutions are when eyebrows now look your way because of a huge change that happened. The current gen usually is unaware of the revolution that happened because to them, the fruits of that labor become the “new normal” and all they ever knew but somebody helped pave that way and it is why it is good to know our sports history and history for that matter.
The best example I've ever heard of how to determine if a player was a HOF'r was "Did he dominate the game at his position during the era in which he played?" Think about it like this and you can answer most questionable inductees. Just like Prime said Randy Moss, DONT even have to think about. TO, should have been first ballot, weather you like him or not his numbers are HOF worthy.
I agree and disagree. The ones you don’t have to think about are first ballot hall of famers. The ones you do have to maybe think about should still get in eventually if deserving. If not then let’s only let first ballot guys in, which no sports do at any level because it’s stupid.
Agreed. The requirements for the HOF have been diluted to “were you the best on your team rather than were you the best in the league for a generation”.
Deion is absolutely spot on. Take Deion for example. OC’s and QB’s would avoid throwing to an entire half of the field because of him. That’s a HOF talent.
Wrong. I think that's the reason he won't make it. If it was any other QB that beat the pats TWICE in the SB, with a record of 10-6 and 9-7. They would be in the Hall of fame
@@laynebrock yup... weren't worried about eli... yet he still won 2 SB's with a game winning drives. I guess that's what happens when you don't worry him 😂
I 100 percent agree Megatron is that guy... but I really am disappointed sterling sharpe isn't getting that love.... Terrell Davis made it bc he was so dominant but for a short period.. Sterling literally had 7 yrs where only guy with better number was rice... rice was the goat but sterling was coming for him.. thats how good he was
agreed, for example, london fletcher was a super bowl champ, 4 time all pro, was an extreme athlete and played at linebacker when it was for big slow powerful guys. He arguably changed how a lot of people saw the position. he was only 5'10 at LB but ran a 4.38 40 time. 6th all time in consecutive games played, went from undrafted to team captain and He changed the position and should definitely be a Hall of Famer, but not talks at all about him.
Tom Flores is not in the Hall of Fame, as far as I know he's the first Hispanic head coach, he also won two Super Bowls in two different cities with the same team! RAIDER NATION!
Willi six Won a SB as a player, Asst Coach, and HC. 1st POC to win a SB and to be a GM. Took 1st Wildcard team to a SB victory. Also beat the 83 Redskins in the SB who were thought to the greatest team ever at the time. Im no Raiders fan, but its a sin he’s not in
Deion is right. He was the reason I first picked up a football and wanted to play. When someone can inspire you and change a game that’s a Hall of Famer
No, that’s a first ballot hall of famer. Deion and a lot of people seem to forget you get multiple chances to get in and that’s the reason, there’s levels to it . First ballot is for the absolute legends like Deion. Terrible take from him in my opinion and Deion didn’t change the game itself, he changed games, but there were shut down corners who could return long before Deion was born. Jordan changed the game itself, Kobe didn’t. So is Kobe not a hall of famer? If you take a 100 question and miss 5 you don’t fail
Rebecca Fuller most deserving player to not be in yet, I know Atwater has been waiting a while but he will eventually get in, I don’t think Roger Craig has a chance today but he was soo good and ahead of his time, 1st player to get 1000 rushing yards and receiving the same year lol CMC did it this year and was a MVP candidate, Craig gets no love
Fact that Eli Manning will probably get in immediately, and Sterling might never is completely insane. Need to be players who were GREAT throughout their whole career. Eli Manning getting in just cause he was part of 2 championship teams is dumb. Eli Manning has 2 rings, while Dan Marino has 0 rings. But Eli Manning isn't even in the same league as Dan Marino. Like Deion said, "Were you that guy? Not just cause we gotta meet a quota". Eli Manning wasn't "that guy" but he met what is apparently a quota cause he was QB for 2 championship teams, even though winning championships in football isn't an individual accomplishment.
I agree with Deon. I have been saying this for years. It’s not exclusive anymore. I don’t think they ever defined the criteria. Is it longevity but no rings? Is it having rings but not being great? Is it only playing 6 years but great all six? Character. Can you be great on the field and not be off the field? Should character even be considered? Can you get in with good character and average skill but played 10+ years? They need to set the criteria for nomination. It’s too ambiguous.
People forget that these "halls of fames" are essentially museums. Museums that have to charge admission to the public! And lots of potential admission doesn't get to the halls because players that the general public identify with do not get in. Deion Sanders makes a great point. The club is not exclusive. What he doesn't realize is that the exclusive players are not keeping the museum open! If the public is not coming through the doors just to see the exclusive players, then the halls must let in good players that the public identifies with. It has always been about the money. Even these so called Halls Of Fame!
The best idea was one from Bill Simmons - a spiraling up Hall if Fame so entry level people like Eli or Frank Gore could be at one level then you move up to the greats like Steve Young and Megatron and eventually get to the GOATs like Brady (eventually), Rice, Lawrence Taylor, etc...
Deion shoulda used that platform to plead a case for his former teammate Jesse Tuggle to be in the Hof.In 14 seasons he racked up 1,804 tackles 4th all time.From 1990 to 1999 no one had more tackles then Tuggle, led the league in tackles 4 times 5 Pro bowls, 3 time All Pro, 6 TD's 21 sacks still holds the 2nd all time single season combined tackles at 207. He had 189 consecutive starts for a MLB which is also impressive for that position all that production from an undrafted player. And he'll never see the HoF cause he played on sub par Falcons teams
He's right. Look at the GREAT players from the 60s, 70s and 80s and as well as some 90s players who should be in the hof but you have the favorites. There's no way Zach Thomas, Randall Cunningham and Roger Craig shouldn't be in the hof. Edit: Zach Thomas is finally in!
I love Drew Pearson, but his nationally televised rant for not being inducted into the hall at the time he thought he deserved it has tarnished his great cowboy legacy. I'm just saying.
0:38 ignorant statement on Clemens. The Red Sox never gave up on him. They offered him a massive contract which he turned down and went to Toronto instead
I would feel cheated if I was a hall of famer and they let Eli Manning in the HOF. Just because you win a couple of superbowl mvps should not grant you access. Great and durable quarterback, no question.
I'm glad someone said it. If Ken Stabler and Joe Namath made it in then I wouldn't be upset if Eli went first or second ballot. The quickest way into the HOF is to become a media darling after you hang up your cleats.
I agree. For many years an OLineman could not make the HOF. In the past 15 years, they've finally been getting some respect! I bet Neon Deion would gladly include those guys NOT getting in if he could. Who has heard of offensive linemen? "Just big fat guys."
One guy that Prime said he couldn't defend was Sterling Sharpe. He said Sharpe should be in the Hall of Fame. Sharpe was the first guy to start getting 100 receptions.
I totally agree with you. The Hall of Fame should be based on how great you are not meeting a quota. Matter fact skip the years of how long you have to be retired in order to be eligible for the Hall of Fame.
He aint lying. Every year players get in the nfl hof that played 50 years ago, didnt get in back then and then somehow without a single extra game played they get in years later when they would be a practice squad player today if that. Eli Manning is a .500 qb for his career and will get into the hof because of his last name, where he played and that he beat brady in the superbowl twice.
Man they make me mad with the frank gore. Ok he wasnt top 3 every year but he could have been. He had less carries then the others. He was a complete back and I'm not just saying that cuz hes my favorite player. I watched his whole career
I’ve been saying this for so long. Only the greatest players should get in. Like, why is Terrell Davis in? He’s not among the best RBs ever. And Eli Manning, he’s only going to get in because he’s the reason the Pats don’t have 8 Super Bowls. At no point in his career was he an elite quarterback. It’s crazy.
WTF? I'm sitting here agreeing with Deion? Haha! He is TOTALLY correct. I mean, if there are soooooo many people saying ELI is not HOF material, then that is telling us something. And, all these people say what a great guy Eli is, and they acknowledge his achievements, he just isn't HOF material. And Deion is right about quota! There shouldn't be any quotas. There is because of $$$
Allan Hernandez go ask belicheck! 7th in yardages and tds.... 6th in completions. 200 plus consecutive starts. 8-4 in the playoffs. His stats are far superior to Namath and Bradshaw! Now he’s not Brady or his brother or brees. Etc. but he still is a great qb. It’s a team game and when he had the right players around him he produced!
@@stephenarato5391 You can't compare QB'S of different era's. Once Eli Manning had a top 10 QB rating in 16 seasons and never in the top 5. So calling him very good is a stretch.
@@The_king567 You probably played basketball or some shit and don’t know shit about football..That dude is damn near 2nd in every category and probably the toughest WR and hardest working…Tough and stronger than moss…Faster,stronger,more agile and tougher than rice…Rice runs better routes and have the better hands and Moss is faster with better hands…He’s essentially a complete WR can go deep threat,across the middle and produce yards after catch!!! Don’t speak about football if you don’t know, dude is the 2nd best WR ever he’s only behind Jerry Rice due to rice having a bigger impact, more rings and he stayed out of trouble..Also had a longer career..
Deion says players that changed the game, should be in the HoF. Then he says, Richard Sherman is a HoF. I like Sherman but he ain’t HoF (yet). He’s been part of a great Defense that helps look good.
Bro, he’s been the #1 defensive back on now 2 teams that went to the super bowl because of their defenses. He’s clearly a hall of fame corner. Especially when you consider that this is the toughest era to ever play CB.
He is right! Too many “good” players are being allowed into the hall of fame! That’s suppose to be the Best of the Best so idk why anyone things Eli should be in there. Absolutely not!!!
I caught that lol, I agree, he knows he heard him 😂. Initially he said yes because everyone automatically says yes to Frank. He's an awesome guy. But then he had to keep it real, it would be longevity more than dominance. I have to agree with that.
He just said Eli. I think he's talking about Joe namath, maybe dan fouts and troy aikman. There's a bunch of other guys at other positions that shouldn't be in as well. The qualifications just keep getting broader and broader. The quota of players is stupid as well.
@@coldwinter5428 Eli's not in. It's easy to argue against somebody who's not actually in. My point is, you have to speculate on who you THINK he's talking about. He didnt actually SAY who he's talking about.
@@jasonh.2439 He can't. Once their in there in. Plus, he has to see these hall of famers. Who knows how often he runs into guys in that fraternity given he's in the media. It's not hard to infer as to the guys he's talking about. He wants guys who get in to me elite. Eli was never elite.
Respect to Prime he always speaks the TRUTH! I agree 100% look I'm a Giants fan so of course I respect Eli, However not a Hall Of Famer at least not 1st Ballot. If he gets in then it is time to go back and get Jim Plunkett and finally put him in because he won 2 Super Bowls as well
The difference is that Eli Manning is also in the top 10 in every major passing category. He made 4 Pro Bowls (Plunkett made none). And it's worth noting that Plunkett, while on the Raiders, had at least 7 teammates who were future Hall-of-famers (4 on offense). Eli played with just one HOFer (Strahan).
@@citizenghosttown plus he’s 1 of 5 players with multiple super bowl mvps. Brady, Montana, Starr, Bradshaw, Eli. He’s definitely a hall of famer. First ballot? Absolutely not. Anything after that, absolutely
The Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame is the biggest joke in professional sports Hall history. Along with NASCAR and Rock n' Roll and honestly the Pro Football hof is on it way to be a total and complete joke. Prove me wrong, I side with Deion. And until Pete Rose gets in the baseball Hall of Fame isn't legit to me.
@Kenny Lafortune Yao Ming was a groundbreaker, his presence changed the entire scope of the league globally because of the entire country of China he brought with him. That's exactly what the Hall of Fame is about. He was a game changer. He 100% deserved it based on that merit.
This is the socialite status, be my friend and you'll get into the HOF when journalist have the greatest number of votes and influence on who gets into the HOF. Not the athletes who actually participated in the sport. Knowing stats does not qualify a commentator/ talking-head as a qualifying agent for any HOF.
i think for the hall of fame arguements too there has to be a time where like you gotta be top 5 top 10 in the position... you look at someone like eli... hes played since 04? and maybe the year he threw 4900 people would say hes top 10 maybe.. but never been a top 5 .. especially since brady started slinging in 07 its always had brady manning bress, rodgers jumped in and then big ben/ phil/ matt ryan/ maybe cam his mvp year all flippin for that last spot for rbs gore probably had a few years where he was one of the tops like his 1600 year but in long term i say AP or gore... you probably take AP, you take LT, you might take marshawn, ... and then a bunch of guys had years flippin in too.... i guess compared to other RBs frank has had the longevity better career though.... even DBs confused me.. I guess the commission doesnt like 1 stat and all but how did it take paul krause near 2 decades to get in and ken riley whos top 10 in INTS still waiting?
Hall of fames in general are getting too watered down . Personalities need to be taken completely out of the equation. These are shrines where the games all time greats are immortalized not a popularity contest where writers vote for the all time really good players.
@MrAdmvp he doesn’t REALLY believe Frank Gore is HOF, he just didn’t want to throw him under the bus. It’s pretty obvious by the way he responded. Q: Frank Gore? A: Who?! 😂😂😂
@@justinbrown1118 Nope, Urlacher had nearly an identical career to ZT yet he got in earlier despite Zach being eligible first. He got robbed. Zach should have been in earlier or both should have gone in at the same time
Urlacher went to super bowl an was the csptain of an elite defense for almost a decade. You can't write the NFL Story without Urlacher. You can however without Zach Thomas.
This is why I've always said there should be an "Elite Wing" in the Hall of Fame. For next level guys like Deion Sanders, Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, Walter Payton, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana etc. It's not fair to say... Jerry Rice,Hall of Famer & Art Monk,Hall of Famer. Nothing against Art Monk but they are nowhere near the same player,stats or Hall of Famer. Jerry Rice should be introduced as Hall of Fame Elite Jerry Rice!!
Dion is absolutely right. Criteria should be much higher. It shouldn't be just because somebody had a good game. You're supposed to fear a Hall of famer when you play them.
He literally contradicts himself. He says you played this long you get in(sarcastically). Goes on to say you need to change the game.. Then when asked about Frank Gore he says yes cause of longevity. Frank Gore is the definition of the player you said shouldn't get in. He never changed the game, was never someone you paid to see, and was never a game changer. He displayed amazing toughness and health but no where close to hall of fame worth. I agree they let too many ppl in, but he needs to be consistent
Frank Gore in my opinion is not a Hall of Fame, dude is 37 !!!! was durable but not spectacular. Stats do lie in his case, the greats have done mucg more with less years.
@ebuteouy agree 100%. He got the numbers so he’ll get in but you never had to gameplan for him. He was never the X factor, when he was on the 49ers it was all about their defense. Deion knows it.
Stats always lie! Anyone can put up stats. Baseball stats are bogus someone gets 600 homeruns in 13 years and then someone 20 years into his career get 601 and that’s considered a great accomplishment? Know if you’re going to break a record you have to do it in the least amount of games that that person did it in. Playing five years longer and then beaten that record is not breaking that record. I’m sorry same thing goes with Basketball as well all time greatest score will Chamberlain did it in a lot less years then Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. He’s not the whole time scores leader he just played longer. Stats live 100%. Game footage tells you who the guy was because he wasn’t on the team that ran a lot? Because he was not on the team that through a lot? Because he was not on an offense that was great? Please stats are bogus
i been saying this about basketball for years!!!! amen deion. i dont like the idea of every year we need a certain number of players to be entered. dont work like that. theres gonna come a point where just decent players are now HOFers.
He's right and it's sad, the HOF use to be THE BEST OF THE BEST and now it's just guys who everyone liked and was decent for awhile. The problem is the HOF has become a big show that makes money and because of that the NFL needs to put guys in every year so they get desperate.
You’re obviously not hearing him he’s saying the hall of fame should be reserved for the best of the best and if your not it you shouldn’t be in it it’s that simple
They should have current players rate their peers. HOF year (check) All Pro year (check), Average (check), below average (check). Then you have a real time evaluation of players that played against them when the HOF vote comes along.
A player like Gale Sayers is a HOF player even though he had only a few spectacular years in the NFL. We tuned in to watch him. Unfortunately injuries took their toll.
That guy: "I don't wanna be 'that guy'. He's probably right, though. At some point there are gonna be thousands of dudes in the hall of fame. In terms of baseball? Keeping worthy players out of the HOF just for disciplinary reasons is ridiculous.
He was aloof to the media, didn't play in San Francisco, and went a few years without a quality QB, plus he got hurt in his prime. Yet James Lofton got in.
I believe if you aren’t first ballot then what we talking about. it should be reserved for the elite and few not really solid guys. you shouldn’t have to think or consider if a guy is in you just know
Nick X Edgerrin James was apart of the All Decades team of the 2000 and so was Zach Thomas meaning they were the best of their decade, so your opinion does not matter.
