I'm so glad I swapped to Bitwig. It's far superior even tho I do miss a few smaller things. The performance is mind blowing as well! It's like comparing a bicycle with a Tesla.
BUT u cant turn it off in Bitwig. So when you have high delay in bitwig you literally can't play something on keyboard. Seems like fucking devs doesnt have a damn brain. I just going to use free reaper then..
@@ХладнокровноеЖивотноеYou're wrong. If you want to play on keyboard or guitar live without latency just don't use plugins that cause this latency... Try to open any simple VST synth and put Pro-Q in Linear Phase Max. After this Its impossible to play live in any DAW. In Bitwig you can deactivate plugins that cause this latency. Its not the same like switch on/of in Ableton. Delay compensation is not what gives you 0 latency. Delay compensation is what makes you audio to be snaped to the grid. Just play any loop, then add something like LFOtool or Volumeshaper and render result. Then try to put Pro-Q Linear Phase Max before LFOtool and render again. You will be out of grid/sync in Ableton. There is no such problem in Bitwig. This is what Ableton delay compensation problem is.
@@VladArtsense No in proper daws you have to choose enable or disable pdc. Easy to say just do that or do that. If i pay shitload of money for license and didn't get such BASIC feature. If you have a gigantic project with plugins like soothe on channels that gives a lot of latency and you should go find them all, deactivate, play some notes, activate then again and again? lol what a nonsence. its just another compromise
Great video! Any idea as to why they didn't introduce a video delay compensation too? It was present in Live 9. I just went back and checked and the metering issue was non existent (no matter how many plugins, delay compensation or how much CPU usage). Back then the video was delayed exactly as much as the audio. I moved to Studio One years ago when 10 came out and was willing to give 11 a try and installed the trial, but this metering issue makes the daw useless for mixing and for a big part of production... I can't talk about other daws, but Live 9 didn't have the problem, Studio One doesn't have this problem, so it's ridiculous that 2 daws later they are messing such a fundamental thing up. I mean they are asking 700+ dollars for this daw, come on guys, it's basic common sense. I wonder what they do all day at the office🤣 Luckily I didn't pay for it yet, otherwise I'd ask my money back. Gonna send a ticket to the support anayways, just in case they didn't notice the issueeven though it would be weird. I'd be ashamed if I were Ableton. A professional top notch Daw that comes for such a high price can't have such a basic issue. Unbelievable.
Great video! QUICK TIP: Group your plugins/effects together and hover over the Group's Device Title Bar to get the sum of all latencies, starring Ben Affleck. And remember, plugins/effects, even if turned OFF, add latency. Here's a question: is the TOTAL delay compensation of an entire project equal to the track with the longest latency?
While setting up a live looping set, I was having a timing difference between my monitor feed and my looped audio. After turning OFF delay compensation this rhythm problem went away. Just something to keep in mind if you’re struggling with this. I am mainly using sampler instruments and midi and audio effects on the tracks.
yea, in Livesets with low-latency VST plugins and generally low latency, activating delay compensation ADDS latency, isn't that funny, haha. For a real liveset-setup, VSTs from izotope are generally a no-go. They add severe latency to the whole project. Not worth it.
No difference in version 12, I can not believe that Live's compensation is still this bad vs all other DAWs. There are only 2 major DAWs that have poor PDC like this, and that's Live and Reason. I would have switched to Ableton full time a decade back if they fixed this as I enjoy the workflow. I am a heavy UAD plugin user, all my EQ's and dynamics are done with UAD, therefore I have various latencies all over the place, so you can imagine what kind of fresh nightmare Live is for me. I actually don't think Ableton get it - and I also think that's why Bitwig made such a point of doing this to perfection (frustrated ex Ableton staff started Bitwig). But it's why I stick to Pro Tools and Nuendo myself, as the compensation is beautiful, for sidechains, sends, the visual playhead, all tempo based effects, everything just works. The other DAWs calculate the delay when you press playback before the playhead starts moving, and voila. Much of Ableton's problems will go away if they simply did this, and they already have the base code to do this in there otherwise PDC wouldn't work at all to begin with, but they just don't want to add the feature. It's interesting when the devs of every other major DAW in existence understand the need for this, and implemented it properly many years ago at that. I can almost forgive Reason, because the rack is so modular and anything can be wired to anything, that it's very complex. Almost. But Ableton I am downright annoyed with - every year I check it and every year it's broken.
Freezing doesn’t actually fix any delay compensation issues. I think he is suggesting that once you flatten, you can then manually shift the audio back in time. However, this isn’t a solution for grid based modulation effects like LFO tool. If you flatten and move the audio so the sidechain effect is in time, you’ve then shifted the actual notes that are being played to be out of time. The only solutions to this that I know of, either simply have them early in the chain so they’re isn’t significant delay before the modulation effect. Or if it can be triggered with midi, instead of being locked to the grid, it will then take delay compensation into account.
I have a template every time I open Ableton, all the fx are turnt off but there is a latency when I play on my keyboard, when I remove all the fx (we are talking about ozone 9 and sound theory gullfoss on the pre master) there is a latency. When I delete them the latency disappear, any clue why there is a latency just with these 2 plugins turnt off?
Yes they are. They are also compensated as long as every track they are routed through has their sends deactivated. Personally I like to route my sends back into an audio track so I can process them with the group. Just means I need to make sure sends are deactivated on the track they are being sent to, as well being deactivated on the group that the track is then going to.
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If you're directly monitoring through your audio interface, how can you hear what's going on in the DAW, like the click and effects etc? you can blend between the audio interface and DAW, but I want the direct signal from the audio interface, plus a click linked to the DAW if that's possible?
could you do one on "reduce latency when monitoring" and recording with monitoring OFF and monitoring AUTO and show the differences? i think that one would be very interesting, specially when sending MIDI from ableton to a device and then recording it back or using external efx pedals ( using external instrument / efx can help sometimes with that kind of latency )
It's had this problem for years. I noticed it years ago when using a plugin chain which had plugins running with different internal sampling rates (some oversampling etc). The delay compensation was not acurate across all the tracks playing. This is not good for solid bass in a mix.
4:37 then how do you fix this? How do you manage to put the side chaining pumping effect *after* the preceding effects while avoiding latency compensation?
@@alcoshino How do you compensate for every instance of delay through each plug-in in the chain? Will gain staging each plug-in help keep the delay down?
@@mezhbond good point, however latency has nothing to do with gain staging. Hover mouse over plugin name in the channel if you want to know delay it introduces. Delay readout is in the bottom left corner of Live. Then you can use offset in the lfo tool for example to compensate for the delay and get an envelope back in time.
@@alcoshino If you use an audio or midi trigger like @alcoshino suggested, you don’t need to worry about compensating for each individual plug-in manually. Ableton’s delay compensation will work it out and do it for you automatically.
