Give this man a medal, this video would have solved everyone's problem who have bought a twin slot gpu even though it's low profile and thought they stuffed up!! You should also compare the benchmark without the card inserted so you have the default values vs x4 vs x16
This just happened to me, I bought a 1050ti Low Profile for my 5040 and thought I fucked up big but the 8 to 10 fps less doesnt bother me. I'm an oldschool offline singleplayer. So I really dont care, if the game runs at 50 or 60 fps. I grwq up with an old mono crt, a fat lady ps2 and 720x576 at 25 fps and was happy with that.
Thanks for sacrificing your case to do this testing, I’ve been running a 1050 in mine and always wondered what kind of difference the x16 slot would make
Thank you so much for this video. It really helped me out because I got a huge scare because I thought I couldn't fit it in my 7020 sff. Videos like this just provide solid reassurance and confirmation that it will work.
Thanks so much for taking the time to explore this question. The LP GTX 1650 cards are insane in terms of price right now (actually just about any LP card is hard to get). I see below that think it would be a much better bang for the buck to invest in a GTX 1050i card. I agree that if you really want a gaming rig, this is not the system to invest in.
You are a life saver, just upgraded my daughter's optiplex 7020 from a gt 710 to a gtx 1650, pretty much exactly the same case as ur vid, I didn't know I cud use the small pcie lane, she only has a 60hz monitor so the lost frames won't matter as she plays eSports, thank you
I love the dedication! I was running into the same thing with my 7020 SFF and Zotac 1650. My solution was to take everything out of the case and put it inside a Dell Optiplex 790 "DT" case. Any of those "DT" size cases will work. It not only let me use the x16 slot, but it lowered my temps from the SFF case. The only drawback was losing two usb 2.0 ports on the front. I purchased a different front port part that has the blue connector for the 2 usb 3.0. It matches the 7020(9020 too). The old DT had a black connector. Everything works great. Even the ssd I have in the fake optical drive tray fit. I am getting ready to move everything yet again to a Dell Precision T1700 case for full ATX power supply. The Precision has the same matching blue connector for front ports. Lets hope it all fits!
This comment you left here is a real diamond in the rough. I really appreciate it. Did you ever swap into another Dell case? I've been trying to research if the SFF motherboards will fit in the mini tower cases with no luck so far
Awesome information, thanks for doing the cutting and benchmarking. I have several of these 9020 sff. Been getting along with x4 but now I have aspirations. (where are my metal clippers...:-) ) thank you again.
The minimum fps score is great info, it means that the minimum performance is not impacted by x4 - only peak fps is - so in real world the x4 will be sweet - thanks so much
Hey man! Awesome job with the case mod! Thanks a ton for doing this so others (me) don't have to 😆 I'm making a video on this topic as well and am going to use your video as a reference to the pcie x4 vs x16 slot performance so I just wanted to make sure I let you know. Ill also be linking your video and channel in my description so my community can check your full video out! Let me know if you have any issues with that!
I have a 9020 optiplex running a 1030 and it’s been amazing. Haven’t owned a pc in my life so I didn’t want to break the bank so for 350, I’m playing a lot of games I never got to play and emulate. My optiplex was 1tb sssd, 32gb ram and an intel i7 4770 processor for 250. It definitely struggles with new game but I expected that. I may upgrade my Gpu and get a used one when it’s not 250 dollars
Thanks for the inspiration! I upgraded my old DELL 9020 by adding the same Geforce GTX card as in this video here and the result is fantastic. Two games that my kids are playing are Settlers 7 and Lego Undercover, well the experience after upgrade is "it's a new game" -feeling. From around 7-18 FPS using onboard intel GFX with low level of details and resolution in the game to 60+ FPS when highest detail levels activated. I am running the x4 PCI slot and feel that the 10% that can be added by moving to x16 PCI is not necessary at this point of time. There are "connectors" that can be used if you don't want to break the chassi when using x16 PCI slot... Please share your experience after upgrade. And yes, the original Power Supply Unit is supporting the new hardware setup well. That was my biggest concern when adding new hardware, since the power consumption of the graphic card is close to the max PSU capacity, will there be any power issues after some hours of playing? It works!
I've replaced the PSU with a 315w OEM one from Dell on my 7020 sff, worked great for almost a year and a half now, but I have decided it is now time to upgrade and utilize that extra 10% with a new case, motherboard, and PSU, even though I don't really need to.
@@robinschepens6228 there are ribions that extend that 16x slot because using that 4x slot reduces performance by 10% and at that point just get the rx 1050 and put it in the 16x slot since is small and fits perfectly.
Excellent video, proves the dell forums wrong at the very least, shows that you are definitely able to run the card through the x4 slot with no external power necessary Keep it up mate
Thank God I found this video. I took a punt on a gfx card and I bought a refurb pc. All info online said that my card wasn't going to work, I can't put it into an x4 pcie slot, etc. Nuff idiots on Q&A forums throwing out disinformation. Well this video means I'm gonna get it all up and running tomorrow. I have an optiplex 5060 to play with so same case as the OP. As far as I can see as long as the x4 slot or any slot smaller than x16 has an 'open back' you can plug anything in there and it's fine overlapping.
@@pipsqeak7104 Whatever is more convenient for you is what I would say. I didn't use a rise and my card fit and worked fine. If it doesn't bother your to leave it open i guess you can do that. I prolly would advise it in case some with worms in the brian spills pop inside the case
I was about to buy a new pc just to get some gaming going on my optiplex 7th gen i7, so glad i did some google first and found this video instead of purchasing somthing i dont need
Thank you so much for the video! I have the exact dell and just ordered my 1650 and i was wondering if it was gonna work. One question: Did you need an adaptor for the 4x slot? Or just insert the card and let part of it hang? Thank you so much for the video, keep them coming, im subbed!
I'm late seeing your video, great info m8. I use the earlier Optiplex 7010 that has the x16 slot where you need it. With this mobo, you can run a XEON E3-1220 V2 processor which has the same if not better specs as an i5 but has a cheaper price on eBay usually. Obviously, the Xeon needs an added video card but a low-profile 1050ti or 1650 like you show works well. I have an i7 2600s in mine which out performs the Xeon with 16gb DDR 3, I`m an emulation freak so love retrogaming and modern gaming at 1080p. I love the idea of a half decent gaming rig in a business PC, like putting a porsche engine in a VW Beetle.
@@claudiuvatamaniuc3262 I hadxa 1050ti, i now run a 1650 low profile as its definitely the fastest card that fits. Its identical size. I have an MSI version but Zotac and Gigabyte fit also.
@@sizzla167 as i stated in my comment above, LOW PROFILE 1050ti or 1650 will fit. There are a few brands, MSI, ASUS, ZOTAC. Just the worst time to find one due to world wide chip shortage. Good luck!
Also is the X for slot the only option on the 7020 SFF? Obviously that’s true because the PCI x16 slot is so close to the power supply that the card won’t fit unless it is fit into the x4 Slot. But would a x16 adapter improve performance? Doesn’t seem like it but just wondering? And also would it be much of an improvement if I swapped out a GT 1030 Using X16 slot with this GTX 1650 on only a x4 slot?
I'm late to this video, but there's single slot full size 1650 options that instead of cutting the back of the case I trimmed out an almost exact fit of the card in the x16 slot on the side panel. Works great for this ff.
When I plug it x4 slot, computer freezes on startup even when I plugged old gpu to x4 slot. it still freezes. I think my x4 slot is faulty. I took the power supply out of the case and managed to put the card on x16 slot. It works great. Now any good ideas to make sure dust don't go all over the case in the future since it won't close while power supply out of case?
Glad that I came to see this, I was planning on doing this with the GTX 1050 TI Low Profile. Now this one is even Better, thank you! Edit: Does the GPU fit in the 4 pin slot without removing the PSU?
Wonder if when you put a gtx 1650 low profile gddr5 in a 9020 sff, with i7 4790, would it play halo infinite, modern warfare 2 and cyberpunk at 60+ fps?
After going through like 70 different models of office PC between Lenovo, Dell and HP. The one that seems best to upgrade is HP elitedesks G2 6th gen would be cheapest I’d consider upgrading but the G4 makes the most sense if you want a budget gaming PC
Hi, i have one question. Can i use the GTX 1650 Super (no low profile) with a dell optiplex 7050 SFF motherboard in a different case with a 750w Power supply?
Love your work. I have the same setup and was wondering if anyone else sees the bios fan control failing to work on these properly after Standby/Resume? Only noticeable when running intensive gaming or high utilisation. The fans don't spin up to the same rpm as they do after a fresh boot. It's a weird one but I have seen across multiple Optiplex models...
Ah im using a dell optiplex 3020 SFF, so essentially a gpu can fit in the case if the PSU isnt blocking it so putting it outside the case would be fine right?
Your demo is very resourceful. Im wondering: is it possible to install RTX A2000 in PCIe x4 slot in my Dell Optiplex 9020 SFF i7-4770 32GB, after installing Win 11 64bit? I read that Win 11 will not work with i7-4770 on that mobo. Thank you. Well done.
Thank you very much for your work I wanted to ask how are your 16GB of ram? I just ordered a 9020 SFF with 8GB of ram but it doesn't specify how the slots are used, it coud be 4 2GB sticks? I live in Venezuela and the computer + the gtx 1650 will be sent here but I want to upgrade the ram, what is the limit of each slot? I want to buy two 8GB sticks but I'm not sure if the mother board can handle it and also a if you still have the link for your memory sticks it would help me a lot
Estoy igual que tu, tengo esa misma pc y según su manual soporta hasta 32GB DDR3 1600MHz, tiene 4 ranuras, es decir, cada ranura soporta hasta 8GB. Fuente: topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/optiplex-9020-desktop_owners-manual_en-us.pdf Pag. 49
Thanks for a serious, very good and helpful video, because I, recently, purchased an Optiplex 3060 and I'm wordering for a video card upgrade in order to improve its Intel UHD 630 graphics.
@@H.EL-Othemany I know, it happens in Optiplex 30x0 series, next time I'll buy a 70x0 or 50x0. GT 1030 is a good card but I would something better; there's a better one single slot, the Quadro P1000, basically is a GTX 1050 but it's too expensive for its performance (ca. 400 €)
@@larrybreavman4864 I have mine with a gtx 1650 ventus. It's a full size double slot GPU . But I'm running everything out of the case for now. Lol I'm planing on modifying it though
Hi, as with everyone else here, I very much appreciate the time/effort you put into this. It was on the back of your early video a few years ago that I bought the 9020 and a 1050Ti. In your opinion, is it worth the upgrade to the 1650? With the same setup (x4 slot) what FPS increase do you see with the 1650? If it's only minor, my next adventure may be with a 3620. Keep up the good work. You're my guiding light
Hey thanks for the kind words. And no I wouldn't recommend upgrading to the 1650, its not really worth it especially with the limited bandwidth on the generation 4 cpu. I think your best option is to keep using that setup and at some stage upgrade the pc and gpu. Hope that helps
Thank you so much! Just for 10% more performance, i think id save my time from cutting and modifying the ps. Again, thank you for this video, otherwise i wouldn't know!
I would recommend highly against doing so, the GPU is already pushing alot of power through the x4 slot, if anything undervolting/underclocking the GPU would be wise to keep temps in check + minimize the load over the PCIE slot.
No, PCI 3.0/4.0 are versions which translates to higher transfer rate. While the context here is X4 and x16 refering to number of PCIe channels or bandwidth. The black slot is likely a PCIe version 2 or 3. For my 7020 it's a PCIe 3.0.
I just bought a 9020 SFF on ebay for $59 and I was going to use it as a dedicated firewall running PFSense, but I also have an old 380 SFF that I had upgraded the CPU and added memory a few years back. and it runs arch linux very well. Both computers can run a GTX 1030, or I could install a Network Interface card to the PCI e slots in either machine, so now I am thinking of using the 380 as my firewall and adding a graphics card to the 9020. Seems like a waste of processor to use the better machine as a firewall when I only have about 5 computers on my network. The 1030 while not as good as the 1650 also performs well enough to run GTA V at greater than 50 fps on high settings which seems adequate. But nice of you to run this comparison, for me 8fps gain is not enough to justify cutting into the case for me anyway, but good info.
I set this up with my kid's 9020 machine a few years back -- I even upgraded the PSU to the best available Dell SFF CPU. The 1650 just died. I think drawing that power on the underpowered rails wore it out. So caveat emptor.
The important point for me in this case is that the lows seem to be more or less stable. I have a Dell 7040 and this machine still has this problem... I don't know whether or not Dell changed the configuration since 😄
I got the same situation going on an Optiplex 7020 with the same looking motherboard with the one 4 slot and the one 16 slot. Just a question though if I do accept just running with the 4 slot PCIe you don't need to adjust the case using that 1650 low profile do you? did you only adjust the case so that you could use the 16?
Yes I only modified the case to test the GTX 1650 in the x16 slot. If you want to use the x16 slot another option is the low profile Radeon RX 6400, benchmarks similar to the 1650.
@@MrWhitianga I already have the 1650 low profile so I will probably just use the 4 slot and maybe one day if I decase my computer since it is going inside a Virtual Pinball table I could mount the powersupply outside and just make room for the 16 pin as you did.
Thanks for this video, really helpful, aswell as your previous one - you stole your DIY skills from me I think, although I have a bigger hammer, so there! So, I have the 7060 MT (mini tier) which is a slightly deeper pizza box than your SFF I believe. Would you recommend this (or better) gpu for it? Or would you suggest trying to transplant this into a bigger case with a better psu and better gpu ? Or should I hack the case to take a full size card, or even use a riser cable reposition the gpu somewhere (no idea where!) ? It's an i7-8700 so it's quite a powerful cpu. thx for any suggestions. Oh , if you're in NZ, if you see Clive Umbers tell him he's a git!
Great video! I aprecciate the time you took to show us the benchmarks. I have an 9020 SFF but its an i7 4770; its safe to assume the 255W PSU will work just fine with a 1650? If yes, may I put an SSD too?
@@MrWhitianga Sorry to bother you again. Could you tell me at what temperature the GTX is running at under stress? Thanks to your video I managed to slap a low profile in my SFF and its running nice! But the temperatures are kinda high (80-85°C) while gaming. It is the same for you? Thanks!!
