DEMON 170 CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT FILED!?!? 

Anyone that purchases a car with any type of additional dealer mark up....is a clown. And then anyone that believes any mass produced modern car is an "investment", is a giant clown.

I think the class action will hurt dodge as they are going to come after the mark ups that dealers charged. Dodge is going to learn a valuable lesson for NOT reigning in their dealers and these mark ups

There are alot of uneducated / ill informed people out buying cars, and THAT'S what dealers try to take advantage of. Glad you're doing this RU-vid thing to help us all out here.

Dodge is screwed. Stellantis doesn't care either.

RacerX got the vehicle with the help of Tim K because he was a RU-vidr and will get a new engine because of the same. Unfortunately, it will be worth less than one that hasn’t grenaded. Thanks for another informative video.

OCM alot of people were chasing the 1025...the demon 170 was a rush job with poor guality control.

Though I cannot relate to being a Demon 170 owner, just before C-19 and a year before I got cancer, Porche 911 prices - especially ‘fried egg Porche’s, were sub $20k. Man, how I wish I hadn’t waited. Now? Astronomical and there’s no way - even if I have the $ now, I’d be dropping $50kk+ on a 2002 911. These people sealing up and/or banking on getting their $ back on a Dodge, are seriously delusional.

The more I watch, the less I'm inclined to buy, at any price. Dodge just seems to have become an unreliable product.

Racer X no longer has an original numbers matching car,sure Dodge can stamp the new engine with the original numbers but it isn’t the same. I would sue. ☹️☹️☹️☹️

The judgement will be all those involved will get a free Hornet! 😂

Class action suits end with the lawyers getting paid, and owners getting an insignificant amount . Lawyers on the hunt for class actions are not really benevolent, I wouldn't expect much.

I think the bigger problem to someone buying a Demon 170 years down the road, is that if their engine goes bad, will they ever be able to get a new engine from Dodge? How long will Dodge be able to supply a new Demon 170 engine?

It's sad to see this happening honestly. Greedy automakers, greedy sellers just to put out a product and not live to its standards is wrong. There may be a person that saved their money to be able to buy one, and now getting screwed over because they don't have the publicity as a you tuber. That's why we have a TK, butter, and OC. Bring it to light what is going on. As always great content and keep it coming. I'm sure there will be more to follow!

Thank you for all your information and content please keep up with your work.

Showtime 🎉🎉🎉🎉thanks excellent video.

That's actually the same thing I said on racerx channel about the warranty 😂...alot of these people are not well educated about vehicles.....I'm so glad I didn't get rid of my 19 challenger hellcat redeye for a demon 170

Go lose that weight and be healthy brother! I’m one that has lost 70lbs. Feel 110% better. Blessings!

Nice job on the studio👌🏽

It’s a tire speed rating issue. Not a car performance issue. Same issue for super stocks. They come stock with drag radials and at a 17-18” wheel they are speed rated at 168 for the most part…the factory has to live by the speed rating from the tire manufacturer. You could have the speed limiter removed with a tune if that is a real concern…

Cool office dude! Looking forward to seeing it when it's done ✅👍👍

Didn't dodge claim they were having engine issues during test running these motors? And isn't that why they prolonged the 170 bc engines were blowing on them?

I went through a class action lawsuit with Dodge over my then-new 1999 Dodge Dakota R/T. The issue there was the trucks were advertised as being allowed to tow like a regular Dakota with something like 5000 lbs but Dodge issued an "addendum" later, after thousands of 1998 and 1999 Dakota R/Ts were sold that the towing capacity was now limited to only 1000 lbs due to the 1" lowered rear suspension. That did not sit well for those who bought these trucks to tow a boat or whatever so 3 of them got together with a law firm and sued. Nobody got offered a nice chunk of money. It was either take $750 in Mopar accessories (woo hoo), an extended warranty (lame) or they would buy your truck back. That's what I did and I got every payment I made back to me, and my down payment and they paid for any accessories I added. It was amazing really. Once I got my check and gave my truck back, I promptly ordered a brand new 2000 Dakota R/T. I didn't care about the towing reduction.

Can't wait to see that 100k plaque on that wall

The question is...if everyone that owns there 170's drove it exactly like racer x.....??? Idk bro it's interesting

Buying Dodges thinking theyll increase in value Taking a stock car to the drag strip and being surprised it breaks Fools and their money are doon parted

Beautiful office. Best of luck and a great future in the new home !

It’s debatable whether these cars are even worth MSRP, much less any ADM.

Why is anybody surprised these 170's have engine problems? Dodge CEO came out months before the 170 was released and stated to the media the reason for the release delay was THEY KEEP BLOWING ENGINES during testing. The 170 Demon was created without any input from the SRT team. Stellantis had already let the team go a year before there was any talk about a 170 Demon.

very nice office studio.

Powertrain is six years 60k. Bumper to bumper is 3 year 36k. If it is a track car you will never hit 60,000 miles so you have six years on the engine. Electrical problems aren't covered after 3 years which a faulty engine controller could cause premature engine failure. I think Racer X's engine was a mechanical failure. You need to get a video of you popping a wheelie in your Demon 170 you talked about it all the time when you first got it.

The only thing missing in your office are some diecast cars!🚗 🚙🏎️🛻🚐

A Demon 170 Jeep Gladiator from AMW went for 330000 at auction.🎉

Congrats on the new house!! Looks beautiful!

Where is your Demon 170? I don’t see any videos on it

need sound foam on the ceiling or you will be echoing 99% of the time but will sound good once you get figured out

What is known to me is that in Canada at least, the dealers are hiding these 170’s in their dealer principles private facilities, if the price is not right for what they want these cars to sell for, then they lie to the potential customer saying that the car is sold when it is a false statement. It’s a game they play to try and manipulate the market and then reintroduce it out in 3 months again for sale.

Mine has no oil leaks, no fouled plugs, has about 600 miles on it and im finally starting to put my foot down. It has some scratches, a weird pop from the steering wheel, a crooked steering wheel, typical dodge problems, but overall a decent vehicle with a ton of power and I'm using it for school and grocery runs

Your cat is adorable. 😊

That's a nice office Brad. Good to hear your not neglecting your weight and health with all you have going on. If you don't have your health your passion for cars and most everything else goes down the tubes.

$500,000 🤣🤣🤣 yea if they built 50 of them

Nice video room set-up! I like the arcade consoles.

A dodge dealership in Lexington sc was charging 225,000.00

I have a Dodge Scat Pack and bought it last year and had a lost key bought but had another backup but had to get another one and paid 750 dollars for it but luckily had insurance from my warranty for another one so I would tell everyone get it on your warranty for lost key like I did otherwise your going to have to pay a lot of money. So make sure you have that coverage on your warranty because it could be expensive.’

What happened to your Demon 170 did you sell it? 0:15

Great video, OCM! Butter did a video on this nearly two months ago, and I commented. Nowhere did I find anything, then and now, that Dodge claimed the Demon 170's top speed was 215 MPH. I don't see how this lawsuit is going to stick.

115,000 at Ancira in San Antonio Tx

After lawyer fees how much you gonna make 2-5K each...???

When will we see more content on your Demon 170?

In Ca, the new car warranty starts when you buy the car. Are you trying to drop Demon values?

So if there is 3300 M&Ms in a bowl and only one of those M&Ms will immediately end your life if you eat it - would you pay $120k+ for the privilege?

My 2021 redeye charger needed the motor replaced woth 3k miles on it. There have been problems with these cars for years. It just didnt get exposed with the big youtubers.

RacerX didn't even change his Oil 1 time during the break in or in between the 100 passes at the track...

Yea I got a zl1 1le manual 1000 miles looks new for 63 and I got hosed basically in value drop

What's up with your outfit? Matching????

Sorry for ignorance, is a Demond 170 & red eye the same car?

Travis Block's Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat is the main car in the film. (Photo courtesy of Briarcliff Entertainment/Open Road Films.) Of course, as previously mentioned, the main car in the movie is Block's supercharged Challenger.

🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 that’s great to hear that. Whoooo! 👏

Love the ragdoll cat. I’m searching for one for the wife, some nice ones in Sacramento!

That office needs a large fish tank 😊

I am currently in the market now for a regular 2023 scat pack. I WILL not pay mark up prices for these vehicles. I did some research on the value of the 2021 and 2022 scat pack. MSRP was roughly $42-$43k brand new. With the 2023 scat packs being a year old already, what would you pay for a brand new 2023 scat pack? I know the dealers say, "oh but this is the last year they're making them". That may be true but it's not worth $10k market up. It's hard to gauge what the right price to pay is as some dealers are trying to give these cars away but then some dealers are not budging on these cars. I'm noticing from different dealers there's a price tag range of $20-30k difference. ANYWAYS, love your videos. Thank you

I'm mortgaging my home to buy a Demon 170, so i can get $500k in 5 years. That young 20 something salesman sounds like a true sage 😅😂😂😂😂😅😂😅😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

There’s a big difference between hitting 215 mph and “maintaining” 215 mph. Define maintaining. 10 seconds? 10 minutes? 10 hours? Who determines how long maintaining really is.

Cool cat!!!

I’ll say this if I was a buyer and Dodge as a company said that the vehicle does 215 MPH, and my car does 149 MPH than that’s false advertising. Dodge did a money grab for this model, dealerships did huge ridiculous markup as if their 💩 doesn’t stink and if I was an owner I would lawyer up and get some monetary judgement through the judicial system because automotive manufactures shouldn’t be deceiving their customers for a sales strategy purpose. Dodge needs to do the right thing and payout those 3K owners or the owners can litigate through these automotive attorneys have a class action lawsuit and I would imagine as you said since it’s about 3K owners they will have good payouts assuming they reach let’s say $1 billion (obviously arbitrary number) that’s $333k for each owner. Remember the VW, Audi, and Porsche Diesel “Defeat Device” that settlement was at $14.7 Billion, so having a lawsuit with that kind of number isn’t surprising as Dodge has been around for over 100 years. Dodge needs to do better; performance development, quality control, better warranty coverage especially since you advertise these cars for performance and track oriented so these vehicles have certain tolerance thresholds that would make the components fail over time and typically the manufacturer creates unrealistic warranty expectations. If Dodge wants to regain back credibility in the automotive industry they get to start all over again and do track testing and test their components to make sure it last longer, otherwise I would go to another automotive manufacturer like Cadillac, Chevrolet, BMW, Lexus, or Mercedes if you’re already spending so much money on an American car you might as well go with a solid brand reputation that won’t lie to its loyal customers and will take care of them by good-willing warranty work.

I really debated on a fully loaded 170 for 140k but didn't pull the trigger because of these like this. I'm happy now, I think I will wait for a c8 Zora

@OCMotivator. I believe I’m Facebook friends with a guy who may have bought that Demon 170 and he is the one who believed that story from the salesman who said it will be worth 1/2 million dollars in 5 years. He doesn’t intend to unwrap it or drive it. He just plans to store it. I don’t believe it myself that they will ever be worth that kind of money, but he posted that exact same statement you mentioned in this video.

Good luck getting your car fixed WHEN DODGE DOESN’T EXIST in 2040 lol!

In the words of PT Barnum, there's a sucker born every minute.

Remember Demon 170 owners, break-in before you drag is 1,500 miles, not 500 miles. Read page 7 of Demon 170 manual supplement!

Take it as you want. I have drag raced for years. I run methanol I would make 2 passes 1/4 mile I changed my oil . When you run methanol you get Moisture in the oil. My motor was a 2000 hp blown Injection. I would run 5 gallons of methanol every pass. You go ask anyone that drag races an runs methanol what you're oil looks like when you drain it it is milky white. It will eat your bearings up. Racer x did not change his oil the one time he showed him running it he made like 6 passes. I know there not running alot of methanol mix with the gas. Dodge didn't tell these guys that bought these cars if you run methanol alot in the motor you need to change your oil more often. You can believe me are not I dont care I have built motors many years I know what methanol does to the bearings.

People buying the 170 and financing it (many people are) to save it in the garage is nuts! The people that want one already have one and they paid cash. Do we know if old cars or classic cars are going to be a thing in 20+ years? There’s too much risk involved to “save a car” and these people bought in the peak! I would bet $10k that these 170’s will be going for around $100k or less in the future. I’ve seen this so many times!! The GT3 the Z06 back in the day with the Grand National GXP the ZR1.. The Prowler and the SSR (both had 50% mark ups). Oh BTW we’re in a recession already they always go back and say “actually the recession started back before we got elected or appointed” and the ones in power now are like “Economy is booming keep buying stuff use your credit cards!” Nobody is to blame protect yourself.

Being objective, it’s a dodge, it’s not hard to make more power with these things. Buyers got played

Did you sell your Demon 170? Thought you were going to drag race it?

stellantis through everyone under the bus. I own a 2017 ram 3500 cummins and I am still trying to get those crooks at stellantis to provide brake parts after 7 years. My truck only has 26000 miles but they have refused to provide upgraded new parts for years!

TK's garage says--You own a HOT DEMON 170--you haven't told us about????

The Tires and the Computer is the Major Hold up of going Faster MPH, If Going Fast was the intent after doing "Your Due Diligence " That's on the Customer, the speed issue was discussed Long before those Cars were Delivered and there is more than one definition of "Fastest" when it comes to Drag Racing, and most likely the 170 is the "Fastest - Time Wise" production ICE Car . Also Limited Edition of THREE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED, Come on Consumers back when GM Built 100 LT4 Equipped Camaros They Sat, and ended up Selling but many were then Driven and Now 20 Plus Years later the Ones Stored in a Bubble are just Starting to Gain Value! Speculate at your own risk should be the Statement to Live by on Special Edition Anything? As far as the Monster Mark Ups, is Dodge responsible? Nah it was all the Dealers and the Customer that Paid it. Keep up the Great Videos and we'll watch this play out!!!

Demon 170s aside, I’d be concerned about a lot of these Chargers and Challengers still sitting in dealer inventory. The big dealers with a surplus of these cars have had them stored outside in remote lots going on half a year or longer at this point. That’s enough time for fuel to start going bad and other issues to develop. They’re trying to be collector car dealers without the infrastructure to keep these cars properly stored and maintained long term. That, and they desperately need to pay for their inventory. It’s one thing if you have a warehouse full of collector cars that are maintained, paid for, and you can sell at your leisure when the right buyer comes along. It’s completely the opposite for new car dealerships. We’re halfway into 2024. They’re going to have to unload these vehicles at some point for a substantial discount. I’d look one over thoroughly before parting with my money, even if it’s on the showroom floor. What they’re doing is cleaning them up and bringing them inside as free space becomes available. Before that? They were sitting out in some field for several months not being attended to at all. The largest dealer in my state has around 200 chargers and challengers that have just been sitting out in a gravel lot since last fall. They look terrible. Some have mildew starting to grow on the interiors from just being parked and left. Not good.

Is it really a few 'bad' engines or is it a design problem...e.g.forward positioned oil sump on a drag car?

Its very possible the 2024 Demon 170 will be worth $500k in five years. And a gallon of gasoline will be $25 and a Big Mac meal will be $50.

Sabotaged during the union strike with Stellantis is when these cars were built. People can be brutal under these conditions, I've seen it many times during factory life over the years. Enough said. Hoping all those that did receive them have good luck with their vehicles. I've heard lots of lawsuits coming

I think lawsuits should be about automakers failing to give customers the cars/trucks they want.Not what their government thinks they should have.It’s a shame that Dodge is now being plunged into a pool of perannahs for having the balls to mass market and warranty a full blooded (drag) race car that gets 20 mpg on the way to the strip!

Demon 170. Sits in hermetically sealed garage for 6 or 20 years as investment.....Warranty. Does not compute.

The young sales guy is mistaking the Dodge logo for the Ferrari logo

The dodge cars are dropping in price like a rock hitting the water lol

Dealerships are the problem. Ban dealerships. Dodge is basically swirling the drain at this point.

I'm not defending the young sales guy here, but he may have a point. The fith gen Vipers, especially the ACR and the TA cars, have tripled in value. Some are seeing close to $500k. Most are $300k - $400k.

You do realize that all vehicles need repairs. Engines usually can be rebuilt. Considering that these engines are new, a machine shop would more than likely be able machine to tolerance & easily fix a engine that has its original bore.

I don't think Dodge claimed it can do 215 mph. However, from the marketing they claim its the fastest quickest muscle car. As a potential customer seeing that car have 1000+ horsepower and doing 151 mph quarter miles, I would assume if had a 1+ mile of road, I would think it can easily go over 151 mph judging from the ads. The ads do not say it has a top speed, they said it can do a quarter mile at 151 mph. If my knowledge is right the top speed is limited not because of the tires, but because of the driveshaft.

5 yrs... 1/2 mil..... BAHH HAHHHHH HAHHHHHH. It's a Dodge... with more initial money going to dealer mark-ups than factory quality or performance. It's a Dodge... it won't be drivable in 5 years. Any idiot who is willing to blow that kind of money on dealer mark-ups is likely the same guy who'll get it sideways and wrapped around a tree within 5 minutes of leaving the stealership. Anything on the Dodge performance side is AT BEST worth $65,000. The car's haven't seen anything innovative in a decade. Tuning and bolt-ons is not innovative. If that were the case, anyone could buy a mid-level Challenger, take it to a real mechanic, and with enough cash do the swaps and structural add-ons to make their own. Who cares about serial numbers and factory stickers.

The issue I see with how those values will never see that level is the car is a common platform. It isn’t special. There are millions of cars on the road that look like them and you need to be right up on it to know what it is. Every car whose value is through the roof, you can tell what it is sitting still from a half mile away. I can take a base model car and make it into a 170 or demon or Hellcat and it will look like every other grocery getter or hood takeover stolen car and no one will know the difference despite it having the same or better performance and Hp. They just don’t grab attention and are mass produced. A mass produced domestic car with never appreciate the way the speculators hope. I remember the same happened with the demons. Our local dodge dealer each year holds a car show and some idiot would trailer a demon to it thinking he had the next Hemi Cuda. Then the Redeye and 170 come out. Dodge isn’t going to stop pushing the envelope. They will come out with another crazy platform to displace the 170.

A car has to imprint on history to create value, The gullwing Mercedes Bugatti Ferrari, Lamborghini all have that value over time and history. yes the demons (both the OG and the 170) are the most powerful of their times, but will they stand the test of time and impact history? IDK, the early 70's hemis are valuable so maybe in 30-40 years. Me personally, I find more value in building my own car. I'd love to find a front and rear wrecked LX cars and taking the parts and making a foodstamp model (base or SXT model) into a sleeper

Coked out 20 year old salesmen at the dealer is out his freakin mind lmao. If it ever touched that amount of money over time my Hublot watches will hit 11 figures hahahahaha. I know I love my corvettes but even I know my C8 Z06 will take MAJOR depreciation but im a lover of cars i dont buy to sell thank god.

I think there should be a class action lawsuit against Dodge in general. Reason: some people have purchased vehicles recently thinking they would be supported under warranty. Stellantis has basically turned Dodge into a shell of its former self with the massive layoffs. 2023's are breaking, along with the Demon fiasco. Meanwhile all these vehicles are going to be ticking time bombs - lemons. There could be a shortage of parts, and motors with the increase of poor craftsmanship. Am I wrong for thinking this? Sweet office btw.

I’m backing off on a D170. I think the quality issue is real.

I'm mentioning the following because I haven't heard anyone mention this regarding the 1/4 mile times and the top speed. This is a quote from Motor Trend on an article dated March 21, 2023: "Dodge is claiming remarkable, mind-bending numbers for the Demon 170 (on a prepared surface): 1.66 seconds to 60 mph and an 8.91-second quarter at 151.2 mph." 151.2 mph on the 1/4 mile. I'm no mathematician, but if my maths is correct, 151.2 is more than 149. If that is the case, then even in perfect conditions, the Demon 170 could never hit the claimed 1/4 mile times by Dodge. The car would hit Top Speed before the end of the quarter mile.

Considering the cost of those Challengers, which are sweet, I no longer feel bad restoring my Mustang. Will I lose some money in the long run? Sure, but nowhere near a used Challenger.

I'll believe when they payout for all the 5.7s with lifter issues. Dodge seems to continue to get away with this type of stuff.

I'm not even a Dodge fan, But I think these owners all got Screwed by deceptive marketing, Plain and simple, Example> I'd be pissed if the type r only had 205Hp when tested.

The “cheapest” 170 I’ve seen for sale here in Ontario Canada is $249 k. Don’t care if we only received 300 in Canada Ridiculous !!! Hope they rot.

Nice cat 🐱:)