I'm currently going through Cognitive Processing Therapy (not to be confused with Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) for trauma. The cool thing about it is that, even though it's a secular therapy, I can integrate scripture into it. Have started memorizing scripture because I need to get God's word into my mind to replace the false beliefs. Please pray for me. I definitely feel very burdened but I do praise God for the work he's doing in my life and that he can use my suffering for my good and for his glory.
How’s it going a year after your post? I’m interested in your approach to that form of treatment for PTSD. Is CPT the same as DBT (dialectical behavioral therapy)? It sound similar. I’d consider revisiting that therapy if I can work scripture memorization into it. God bless!
Miller, this is 3 years later, but your story resonates SO incredibly strongly for me. It actually helped open my eyes to a struggle I've had for over 30 years, and I wanted to thank you for sharing!
Great episode. I didn’t start helping people with demons until 2019. I was pastoring a small baptist church so you can imagine the waves that made. But I can’t deny what happened with helping a family’s little daughter being demonized. She’s free now.
I relate to Miller's story about rejection and abandonment on so many levels. I'm sitting here listening to him telling the story and thinking "Who told him my story?" God bless you for sharing that word in due season for me and giving me hope. That has been a huge cornerstone to me being so broken that I can barely let God love me. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!!
Thoroughly enjoying this. I am from the school of thought that a real follower of Christ cannot be demonically possessed YET demonic OPPRESSION is possible. Whether it's true or not, it has helped me with fear of certain darkness. Also, it always bothered me when Hollywood movies have a "devout Christian" person demonically possessed. Rarely ever, is it an unbelieving person.
I have been following along and got confused when one guy (so sorry that I don’t know all of your names) quotes Romans 6:20 as saying “the God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.” and it was a different scripture, so I googled it and, it’s so close but it’s Romans 16:20, if anyone else is trying to find it. I really enjoy watching y’all. Thanks so much! ... added thought here... After just listening to the end of this and the personal testimony, this was so informative and so helpful. I have friends that have thought that so much of the struggle and constant chaos and conflict in their personal lives was demonic and the clarification on the stronghold piece is great. I have been a student of scripture for 20+ years and this topic is so important but hard to discern and rarely addressed. Perhaps you all could discuss breaking free of strongholds, in addition to casting out, at another time. Thanks so much!
Michael Miller...HalleluYah...I am praising the LORD for the great work of freedom He has accomplished in your through the saving work of Messiah Yeshua!!
As far as Christian and being opressed and possessed. We have to remember- It's a choice though to we have in making everyday for we have free will every day and God's grace is new every day. Also what we sow is important also...in our lives as Christians and what we legally have open access to or let in, in our home and families.
I want to thank you for handling this topic in a biblical, responsible way. Miller, thank you for your personal testimony on the subject--I think the Holy Spirit is working in you because your story was like a holy arrow straight to my heart today. Thanks for your content, brothers; I appreciate you all. God bless you. Thanks to Jesus, for His love, mercy, and deliverance!
I would suggest some pastors from C&MA as deliverance is taught at Alliance Theology Seminary which is non-Pentecostal evangelical seminary. Suggestions of writers are Dr. Rob Reimer, Dr. Paul King, and Dr. Chuck Davis for possible future interviews.
Right at 45:00 one of the guys is giving this INCREDIBLE interpretation of Revelation 12 that I’ve never heard of before. This is a highly debated passage, but his makes a lot of sense!!!!
Please let me insert a thought here about word usage. When a Bible-believer speaks in a spiritual/theological sense about a 'demon' they're talking about a personal, fallen/sinful spirit being of the kind that Jesus cast out as reported in the gospels. When someone speaks about a person 'dealing with inner demons' they're talking about the person's psychological problems or unresolved/troubling emotional issues. I point this out because sometimes the spirit being can cause psychological issues and in that situation (or in some other contexts as well) the two different usages/meanings can become blurred or confused. A tendency I've noticed in some Christian circles is to 'assign' every type of sin its own demon; for example, someone will say 'I rebuke the demon of [fill in the name of the sin here--e.g., adultery, fornication, homosexuality, coveteousness, fear, etc.].' I don't know that every category of sin has its own (theological definition) individual demon ASSIGNED to it in that way, or that every adulterer is demonized vs. merely tempted and sinful. Certainly, the devil and demons can tempt people into many different kinds of sins but I don't know that an INDIVIDUAL demon is always the culprit for every instance of a particular category of sin. I also don't think demons are correctly or helpfully de-personalized into mere names of types of sins that humans commit, which amounts to the kind of confusion of the two definitions I described above. Regarding the question: Can Christians be oppressed or dominated by demons? I have two thoughts: (1) Scripture exhorts us to 'resist the devil and he will flee from you.' My point here is that there's obviously something real to be resisted if that exhortation is meant literally. (2) Unsaved PEOPLE can oppress/dominate us Christians if we let them. Even unbelievers have slang terminolgy for people who socially 'drain' or oppress others: 'toxic' people or (the more colorful) 'psychic vampires.'
Roundtree’s “satan’s trampling ministry” made me laugh more than it should have 😂 He’s not wrong at all- but a “trampling ministry” was just an amusing way to say that lol
Great Q- can demons know our thoughts? I've wondered this too. I don't know the Bible as well as I would like. In this Q, I go back to Genesis in how the serpent cast doubts into our minds and this was before sin actually occurred (by biting into the fruit) which solidified the fall. So, they may be able to cause doubts or questions which lead us astray. After the fall, our natural enmity tends toward unrightheous thoughts. I believe this is why we are to study God's Word and cling to Jesus which increases our knowledge/discernment and strengthens our faith to combat these attacks. But, I don't think the devil & his minions can know or read our minds. At least, from my limited understanding I have not read or heard of it in the Bible. 2 Corinthians 10:5 NIV - We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
Miller thank you for sharing your powerful testimony. 👏🏼 Joshua may I humbly say that sometimes your comedics are very untimely. Thank you for your channel 🙏🏼
Very deep topic, thank you for covering it! We the church need to understand the signs that will follow the believers “Mark 16:17-18 King James Version 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Enjoying the program! About demons not understanding praying in tongues, I think of a verse in 1 Corinthians 14:2 , "For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit." Could that apply? And on another subject, I've read a lot about people needing help with rejection and inferiority and fear of abandonment, in my counseling study, and I wonder if reading an etiquette book would give them a little secular confidence, too. They would have a better idea of what is considered smooth and refined and polite behavior in their culture. Then, if they lost a friend, they could be pretty sure it wasn't because their boorish behavior hurt or embarrassed the friend.
I would say that demons can possess a person who is not saved. Possession is when the original personality is submerged, and the mind, will, and emotions become blended with various entities that use the host at will. A Christian is not perfect, altho saved by grace. The personality cannot be submerged as their identity is in Christ, and God has a plan for their life. So Christians can be externally oppressed, and respond to wrong thoughts, difficult circumstances, confusion, etc... The Adversary works on and through people, just as God does. So for example, when Peter said to Jesus, This shall never happen to You! Jesus responded, Get behind me Satan! Peter was responding out of his own will, and Satan shifted Peter's focus. But when Peter said Jesus was the son of the Living God, Jesus said this was revealed to Peter by the Holy Spirit. It's where your heart and focus is
How would you suggest getting help in this area. I have never been a big believer in demon oppression but I am convinced something is wrong. I had a pretty frightening demonoc experience as a young guy, suffered twisted abusive parent and many other things and I have so many dark nights where the voice of accusation is just abnormal. But there is no one to help. I cry Out to Jesus but nothing, I wonder if I am irredeemable .Is there a ministry that helps people in this way?
People forget that literally the devil has to ask the most high for permission on anything it inflicts on us so says it right there that devil is very limited and the most high is truelly almighty against his creations since everything comes from him even the wicked were made for the end times
Michael Miller's testimony at the end was amazing!!! I'd love to hear more about the process he used to get free! I think I have the same issues he used to have 100%
False teachings are a big one where demons influence people. The teaching that demons cause people to sin is a huge one. It teaches people to blame an external source rather than submitting to God for change.
Pastor Michael Rowntree briefly mentioned that "unforgiveness is a gateway to demonic activities in your life". How do I fight those for and with other loved ones who struggle with unforgiveness?
I second this question. I have loved ones who are dedicated Christians who have open doors. I fight through prayer, and it helps, but I’m guessing at some point it will have to be them that breaks it all off, but our church background is never going to recognize what’s going on (conservative Baptist)
Robby Dawkins tells a story about an exorcism he did and mentions that speaking in tongues is very helpful. But he doesn’t explain why/how! Would love more on this. I spent decades in church and no one said the word demon.
He didn't use his authority if he did he would have said sum things then, He would say his title and sum other things that I don't want to say. THE LEAVE HE SAID WAS JUST INTENT
Question what are doors that open this and Also what about mental illness are they always signs of demonic oppression e.g depression, bipolar, sciterphonia excuse the spelling etc
When we are talking about being demonized or possesses we are talking about legal access to a person that is arbitrated for. Legal access has to do with agreements made in the mind, and body. The persons body is what is battled over. The argument is a religious one that compromises to a certain level of stronghold in exchange for your “life” in a certain area. (Keeping gluttony but surrendering the rest to Christ. Like the rich young ruler.). That “life” could be anywhere from a flesh desire or unmet expectation, un-forgiveness, or sexual tie OR actual survival of yourself or a loved one OR something that you will do anything to avoid (i.e. fear, rejection, humiliation…). We will elevate one or the other and bring a kingdom to our current atmosphere (disciple) based on those agreements. Taking captive every thought and making it obedient to Christ is huge. Repent, submit to God, resist the devil and he will flee - be filled with the Holy Spirit.
We just got to be careful we don't start blaming demons for all our personal sin; of course they can enhance and exasperate our sin, but if we choose to succumb, that's on us.......just keep submitting to God, resisting the devil and we shouldn't have to worry about them like that. Moreover, the epistles don't give any specific instructions for demon deliverance (apart from general spiritual warfare passages (which basically call for us to take refuge in the Lord from all these evils, and rely at all times on His protection and intervention)
14:50 Neil Lazano 15:10 Mason curse 15:25 3 fold cord 27:50 can a demon be demonized 33:01 OT reality of HS vs NT believers 35:35 argument from silence you can't say the son in 1cor5 wasn't originally saved. In context the weigh of the setting could clearly indicate that he was a member and thereby a professing christian 38:40 How do you knw you've cast a demon out every month? They don't manifest much for Him. Highly subjective
Fear can be "demonized", those with true faith, do not fear evil, and cannot be "demonized". "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me." "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."
Around the 1 hour mark you speak of telling the entity, “I remember what you feel like” and you’re able to separate yourself from it. Can you elaborate on what it feels like? I think I deal with it too but I’m very curious. 🙏🏼
Yes it is possible a christian can be demonized. In his soulish area of the flesh... Open door to sin. Deliverance is not always automatic when one is born again. The persons spirit is regenerated that is born again. But his mind still needs to be renewed in the Spirit. Demons can still be in the soulish area and flesh. That need to be cast out. Through prayer and fasting. Also living a life of obedience... Demons can come into the bloodline of children through their parents sin..
Hey guys, So I joined patreon and I was wondering if you guys had uploaded the video of your reformed friend going to Bethel. I really wanted to see that haha.
I always thought that was because although the house was "swept clean" and put right, it was not filled. Our "house" needing to be filled by the Holy Spirit dwelling inside us rather than us just putting our house in order as it were. This interpretation was where I derived the view that true Christians cannot be oppressed, the Holy Spirit can't share space with demons. I realise others don't always agree with this though, I'd appreciate an in depth teaching on it too.
I am curious what do you guys make of Matthew 16:23 “But he (Jesus) turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.” Would you consider that demonization? PS thank you for everything!! I’m excited every day that you post videos!
@@betsiecrother1443 Yeah I think the enemy was influencing Peter. It wasn’t just Peter’s ”opinion”, in which case he would have just gotten the right information.
That probably depends on how you are defining "demonization." If you do just a broad, generalization, even Jesus could have been said to have been "demonized," since satan manipulated Jesus' body in Matthew 4. If you define it as simply being "under the power of" a demon, you can say Jesus was "demonized." But if you define it Biblically as a demon entering and controlling, then Peter in Matthew 16 cannot be said to have been "demonized." John 13:2 and 13:27 make it clear that satan can influence you without entering you, as we see Judas first being influenced in verse 2, and only later did satan actually enter into Judas.
Another Question where in the Bible is there reference in naming spirts expecially in the new testament and how can anyone have them if they are not omnipresent. E.g spirit of lust etc
The only place I'm aware of is when Jesus asks & Legion answers. But reference that Jesus had already cast one spirit out, so he could be asking because he knew there were more... Michael Heiser (PhD) i think talks about function rather than name. I've seen drone demons respond to names, but they could just be acting too...
I wonder about the same re same evil spirit in different people. All i can think is the spirit realm is not same a ours in terms of space- time. Quantum physics stuff (string theory) where dimensions intersect at multiple points. Or that the evil spirit isn't fully present in the person, but has a hold in them (& could be holding into someone else too)... But that's all compete conjecture on my part. There is no Scripture guide (Jesus just said to cast out demons. The authors of the gospels didn't then elaborate - maybe since they already knew how after following Jesus...)
I'm enjoying the podcast plus chat replay & it is my first time here. I have one question & this is REALLY creeping me out. I don't even know the podcaster's name. He looks at his co-host/guest. He is smiling and pleasant. But he keeps looking at the camera out of the corner of his eye. Since I'm watching this, I feel like he keeps staring at me. Anybody else feel this, or am I simply a little more crazy?? If I had the money, I'd buy him an addl camera and post it behind the other people on set. As it is, I'll listen not watch. Otherwise great podcast fellas !! I'd be remiss if I didn't say, "Thanks Mike." !! Great content though. Thumbs up
I used to listen to a ton of Derek Prince RU-vid sermons and I had to stop because I started to think everyone had a demon and it definitely over inflated my perspective and I fell into that ditch so to speak.
Hey there , I’m learning so much on this episode and am thankful that a lot of questions I have about this subject are getting answered ! Thank you for sharing the knowledge the Holy Spirit has given you! hopefully you guys can answer this question ! I have heard quite a few believers refer to the “jezebel spirit” I.e “she has a jezebel spirit” or “I had the jezebel spirit but I’ve since been delivered from that” Is there any Biblical truth to this? I understand jezebel is in the Bible but is there a truth to what I’ve been told? Thank you!
I have to disagree with all the "demonization or demonize" definition. It actually confuses me and seems like this is your own interpretation rather than the Spirit's. On the other side of that coin, however, I am glad you guys are having a discussion about this topic because it is so taboo. Sharing experiences helps also. Demons DEMOralize what God has put in place as well. I didn't hear anyone talk about Luke 11:14-28 (also in Matthew 12:22-10) which is about the Strongest Man. I think I heard something about 1 John 1:5, but I'll just put that verse here in case I'm wrong on that. A Christian, one who has Light in them, cannot become possessed by an evil spirit. Paul talked about a thorn in his side that God has allowed him to have due to his disposition. Christians can be oppressed, but never possessed. Again, Paul was oppressed because of the work he was doing as instructed by Jesus Christ. (The Book of Acts) Lastly, I think it's best to always allow God to be your guide and lead by the Holy Spirit because He is infallible - we are not. I strongly suggest getting wisdom from Him rather than ourselves - even in our own experiences. I say this because we are extremely influential beings as God made us to worship Him.
The devil is not the opposite of God. It is more like the Angel Micheal is the opposite of the Devil. That is true and interesting.... I never thought of it like that.
Hahaha that Mordor comment though rotfl. Had me repeating it and chuckling involuntarily and my 7 year of repeated it and laughed though he couldn't hear the podcast and asked what Mordor was lol thanks for the giggles guys.
Please bow your head and say this prayer now 🙏 "Carry our prayers up to Gods throne, that the mercy of the Lord may quickly come and lay hold of the beast, the serpent of old, Satan and his demons, casting him in chains into the abyss, so that he can no longer seduce the nations. Thank you for everything CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, LORD GOD. Amen." 🙏 If you can't look and remember the words, just read and pray them while you have your head bowed and your hands in front of your face 🙏🙏☺ please say it now seriously
We need more conversations like this. Spirits and the supernatural are real more than youd imagine whether you accept it or not. But jesus is king of kings and lord of lords so fear not and rest with an acceptance of him and if any chase after that and his holy spirit first, the rest will come to you and he’ll even show you more about the spiritual and demons if you trust and love him(.)✝️💜
I’m going to guess they’re referring to Mr. Heiser’s perspective. He has a free documentary on RU-vid, but he wrote a book as well that explains Satan specifically.
I think you are very naive about what is out there. I am a new Christian, previously in New Age and I can tell you that this was a brushing the surface.
Jesus was able to cast out demons 99.9% of the time??.. umm, my Bible says Jesus was fully God and fully man. The creator of ALL things the ALFA & OMEGA, THE GREAT I AM , YAHWEH HIMSELF, can do better than cast out 99.9% of demons. Nothing is done, or happens outside of what HE has already predetermined my friend. That's a huge part of our foundation.. is to know the doctrine of The Trinty. Knowing that Father, Son and Spirit are co-equal, co-eternal 1 being 3 persons... God. So what Jesus do you believe in? Because its not good enough to know a "JESUS" . But the correct one. And I mean no disrespect by saying that. I just enjoy and get pretty passionate about this kinda stuff. Great video ! Great discussion 👍 Be Blessed 🙌 🙏
Matthew 16:22-23 Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. “Far be it from You, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to You!” 23But Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me. For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.” Jesus seems to imply that Peter's words here, which I believe flow from thought, was inspired by Satan.
The host wearing pink keeps interrupting his fellow hosts. That's so annoying. He needs to let them finish their thoughts sometimes without interrupting.
A christian can apostatize. Judas was one of the 12 disciples. When Judas took of the bread with Jesus, The bible clearly says that the devil entered into him... Because of disobedience. Satan had put it in the heart of Judas to betray Jesus.
I'm a patreon supporter and appreciate RR - I have benefited much from their videos. But I had to muster MUCH patience to listen to this. Meandering, messy and frivolous. Superficial, speculative and frustrating. For people who say they cast out demons every month, the ratio of words to actual meaningful information was sorely lacking. Apologies if this sounds harsh or critical - but it seems to me the constant fraternity bro backslapping and wisecracking is getting in the way of delivering meaningful content. Style > substance. But thanks for sharing your story Miller, you probably should have opened with that.
I actually looked through the comments just to see if anyone felt the same way I did about this episode. I really respect these guys and have gleaned a lot of wisdom from them but this episode was very distracting due to the goofing around on a subject that really is no laughing matter. And trust me, I like goofing around, but this wasn't the episode to do that. His story at the end was great but due to the lack of content explored throughout the episode it didn't actually connect many dots for me. For instance they never talk at all about the need for counseling out an evil spirit through a licensed christian therapist, yet that was his main contributing solution to rid himself of this stronghold. Nothing of that sort was talked about during the episode which just left me with questions and not answers. Like... what did people do 500 years ago when there weren't licensed therapist? Were they just screwed feeling rejected the rest of their life because psychology wasn't really a thing yet? Anyways, it's not like they didn't know he was going to share his story, so it didn't come as a surprise to any of them therefore they could have done a better job prepping for this one. Obviously they intended to continue this topic onto other episodes but yeah, I felt the same way you did and needed to vent because I was somewhat frustrated. Still love this channel though...
@@jasonw248 yeah. And so much of what they spoke about was derived from anecdotal experience, which is then viewed through a certain (charismatic) cultural lens. Very little bible expository exploration(even though there is actually very little explicit info there). And yes your question about 500 years ago is also on my mind. Especially when much of modern phycology is informed by occult modalities (thanks Jung!). It seems like Millers story simply said that the truth of God displaced the "spirit" . That just sounds like discipleship, not deliverance. When Josh puts in the disclaimer that they take the content seriously, but they don't take themselves seriously, it sets up a self defeating scenario of the content being delivered by people who don't take the content seriously enough to take themselves seriously for the duration of one hour, for the sake of the content. The giggling school boys routine is getting tired. Perhaps Josh and Michael should have let Miller do this talk on his own. We might have had less rabbit holes into amillenialism at least :)
@@gregwill500 Yeah, I clarified a bit in this week's episode and will clarify even further in the weeks ahead. I do think "Discipleships" or "Renewing the mind" is the main reason I was able to get free. Regarding the goofing around we can get a bit carried away but we also really like each other and value the time we get together this one hour per week. You all get to peek a bit behind the curtain of our friendship. Hope it isn't too much of a detractor. Thank you for watching all the same!
Michael Miller thanks for the reply. I’m sure you’ll unpack things further. Maybe I’ll check out the other episodes. Getting to peek behind the curtain of your friendships is not really a priority for me , especially on this episode. And it really did feel like the curtain was reversed, and had to peek behind the style to see the substance. I’ve enjoyed more thoughtful and thorough content from RR before. Keep up the good work, and thanks for being open to feedback, even if it sounds grouchy and grumpy 😬
How do you get to that point of believing to full impact the truths of the bible, and confirming which ones God is truly speaking over you personally and which ones you are needing in order to find healing/freedom over the stronghold?
I would say to write out your hurts and negative beliefs about yourself. Write out your frustrations and feelings about others. Then look at all of it and turn to the Bible. What does GOD say about what I believe? The discrepancies are lies, and the core common thread between them will be the root stronghold. Continue to speak the truth of God’s word over those lies. For instance, if you feel that your whole life you’ve been treated as worthless, repeat verses where God calls you valuable, made in His image, precious, made for a purpose, ect…
@@awakeosleeper3930 these guys are good at what they do…but some of the stuff with spirits just doesn’t seem to be in scripture. I would love for someone to show me where if I’m wrong!
@@casualgamerkyle3807 yeah, there's not a direct reference in Scripture for it. That is sort of the tough part about personal testimony. The closest thing to it that I've found in Scripture is a "spirit of slavery leading to fear." That fear manifested as fear of rejection. Hope that helps. Thank you for watching!
Carter Conlon, in his testimony recently, clarified the 'speaking in "tongues" issue' and said quite clearly how it is SUPPOSED to work and that rambling inane babble is not of GOD, its not some 'secret angel language'. When the angels in heaven are praising GOD they its not written that they speak in some inane gibberish, rambling nonsense. Whenever angels spoke to men, they never ONCE spoke in some verbal diarrhea that promoted CONFUSION. Power, love and a SOUND MIND are from GOD, the fruits of the HOLY SPIRIT are not the ability to 'out holy' one another by making grand spectacles in church services. I HIGHLY suggest you do some more research on this issue before BRAGGING about it anymore.
You guys should have given credit to Derek Prince Who taught that we can not be owned. These guys literally copied exactly what he said word for word. Not cool u totally ignore him!
