Pinhead is a super cool villain. Just pure logic. No vengeance, no score to settle, not really doing evil stuff to be evil. Just doing what he does. You open the box, we come get you. That simple.
It's actually the push and pull of mutability and relativity. This has some implications for the fundamental nature of reality. I think that's why I love the first two films. It annihilates notions of all good or all bad, in my mind anyway. Because it ALL exists as part of the absolute. Demons to some, angels to others is *relativity*. The absolute just *IS*. Being caught in either an "all good or all bad" matrix for eternity would be maddening, because it would be imprisonment either way. You may think you know what you want, but what I find most interesting is how like Evan McGough said, he (Pinhead) definitely enjoys this. In the second film Chanard even says, "and to think I hesitated". The only sanity, in my mind, is in dissolution and reintegration, in an unending cycle... or pure nothingness. But because WE think, therefore we are... it implies there is no NOTHINGNESS. The fact that you ARE, should indicate there is no nothingness. Energy neither created or destroyed, to put a rather clumsy cap on that idea. Be thankful for your opportunity to exist as the fractured self. It is a brief reprieve of extreme sensory locus.
When she asked pinhead if he'd done this before and he said "Many, many times." The inflection that the actor gave the character is so realistic it's chilling. He's speaking from a legitimate place of assurance and melancholy which really adds to the depth and nuance of his performance here. I feel as though this villain and the actor are both under appreciated.
When Kirsty says Frank Cotton has escaped and Pinhead was like 'No one escapes us' I was just thinking Pinhead might wanna check with hell's security department or border control and ask what happened lmao
The concept is awesome we don't get cool characters like this awesome think about it they are not some killer with a knife they make you rethink your understanding of hell and they are actually doing people a favor by showing them pleasures however our minds can not comprehend the reality of these guys they are not even villains when you think about it they only come when you call them and they do exactly what they say they do and they also practice what they preach i mean the dude runs around with pins in his face! love these characters! i understand how its a little corny and less scary as a movie but its interesting and when you allow your imagination to take these characters to the next level it is disturbing
Yes & the scene where Pinhead says something along the lines to the priest ''such limited imagination'' after the priest shouts ''you'll burn for this''. To me, that stands out and also makes you think what darkness lies beyond our imagination.
Cuck Philosophy has an interesting take on the cenobite and goes into Clive Barker's inspiration for the characters such as the philosophy of Georges Bataille.
I feel like even Barker forgot the point to these characters. His sequel novelette seems to simplify pinhead as an angry demon. They’re not really evil. They’re practical hedonists to the most extreme degree as opposed to being pure evil. They’re past being demons and more like aliens from another dimension where they’re understanding of suffering and pain is completely foreign to mortals
I started with that one, actually. I’d put them off my entire life watching as they released. As an added bonus when I did check out the original and got completely obsessed I didn’t have to wait nearly 20 years for them to release over time lol
My girl is a personal trainer, this is how she talks to her clients😂😂😂 demons to some, angels to others!! One more rep! Please no crying!! Its a waste of good suffering!! Lol
I'd like to point out that they appear to ensure that every shot of Pinhead has him not blinking. The female blinks, but he never does. Its unconsciously unsettling.
These are the cenobites I miss. Beings so ancient and arcane that they aren’t exactly villains. Merely beings abiding by rule and law. They only come to those who call and some people may actually get off on their offer. But now they are schlocky slashers with the new Pinhead being a woman (the original female cenobite seemed grotesquely erotic in and of herself. Why genderswap Pinhead?)
Enter the dragon with 3 immortal surgeons, ark of the covenant, and the holiest excursions to search for the knowledge and the wisdom of the sands, the hologram sends you to the abode of the damned
They could totally rework this movie a bit with tech these days, can you imagine how terrifying this movie would actually be with amazing looking effects
Soy la gente sombra otra especie poderosa neutronica perversa del agujero negro y Vivo en las nubes de neutrinos que es la materia obscura y la medusa qlia me tiene prisionero en el cubo 😈🔫🪼
I LOVE THIS FILM SO MUCH. PART 1 AND PART 2. AWESOME!!!! ........But that piece of Shit Dimension films will not release the rights to let anyone do it correctly in 2017. They f***** up the sequel so much that it ain't even worthy of a, (B) Rated movie anymore. Nothing but garage now :(
So the lead showed at least some compassion? A truly cold demon wouldn't have compromised, and would have taken her to hell, and "ripped her soul apart".
I liked the early versions of the cenobites for this reason. They weren't good or evil, just a primal force that exists, a force with only one purpose. While murderous in percieved intent, they have a code and they have rules. They're like djinn. They give you what you want, but you'll regret it.
Not compassion...but a cold arithmetic...profit versus loss. If I can get b soul by making a deal with a soul, and b soul is greater than a soul...then I will make the deal. In the end, though...she held up her end of the deal and the cenobites retrieved the soul that had escaped...and they went after her anyway afterwards. It was only because she was able to close the box and banish the cenobites that she was spared their wrath...for a time. Was kind of disappointed that they wouldn't keep their bargain. Cold, unfeeling logic is often more terrifying and insurmountable than malice and evil intent. EDIT: Well, to be fair, Pinhead never promised he would leave her be if she lead her to Frank. He merely said "Maybe..." and then emphasized "MAYBE!" by repeating it to show it wasn't a guarantee...so...he never lied. He was very clear that he still might take her too.
@@NekoMMDGTS Ah, that's good - I never read the book myself. Makes them even more interesting. A detached being as an unstoppable force of your own personal doom is somehow all the more interesting. A foe that rigidly binds its victims and is in turn bound by an uncompromising code, while not having any stake or preference or reason to deceive, is much more interesting than an irrational, senseless maniac that can condemn or commute at random and always (predictably) does the most evil it can do given the circumstances.
@@angry_zerglingmy understanding in the movie when the cenobites have frank cotton Pinhead does tell kirsty to basically look away when they go to kill frank. While the door she was trying to leave out was locked kirsty still looked when frank was torn apart therefore by Pinheads logic she was curious and because of her lust for revenge kinda liked what she saw. In the cenobites twisted logic kirsty fulfilled the requirements for the lament configuration and a soul must be taken.
I love this line- it implies that the Cenobites are beyond morality, any dichotomy of God and the Devil. They've got their own stuff going on that we've just stumbled onto. People summon them inadvertently, people summon them deliberately, they take either all the same.
The thing that makes Hellrasier still so brilliantly genius is how it taps into the emotional perception and subjectivity of Hell, paradise, pain, and pleasure. As someone who's into BDSM & Sadomasochism. I'd be one of those "other freaks" who'd see the Cenobites as 'angels' and "Hell" as paradise. Female Cenobite in particular could play with me anytime she wanted.
