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Denafrips Ares II DAC review. Amazing budget DAC? 

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Sound Demo Time Stamp
Ares II 12:40
Musical Paradise 13:38
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My take on why the $700 USD Denafrips Ares II is such a well-reviewed DAC. In this video, I compared it to the $500 USD Musical Paradise MP-D1 MK3 Dac.
I especially enjoyed using this DAC with the Focal Sopra 2, Pioneer S3EX and Q acoustics 3050i speakers. With the Triangle Br03, it was very special since we are using a speaker that has a lot of midrange texture with a DAC having also a lot of midrange texture.
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@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Sound Demo Time Stamp Ares II 12:40 Musical Paradise 13:38 I forgot to mention that you need to change the tubes in the Musical Paradise DAC to 6922 to bring out its potential. You will have to factor that into the cost.
@vinylseeker867
@vinylseeker867 4 года назад
I hope you will compare AresII to Topping d90 one day..Same price and both have solid reviews.Like what youre doing and youre very objective thats why i want to hear about Topping d90 from you.
@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120
@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 4 года назад
I remb the tubes from your Musical Pardice review, that i watched several times 😆
@mikecees2230
@mikecees2230 4 года назад
@@vinylseeker867 For me Topping D90, Ares II and Musical Paradise are the three most interesting DACs at this time. I was considering the Ares but after hearing Thomas' sound demo I'm not so sure it would be the best choice for my current system. I do however understand why he says it's a good match for the Borea BR03.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
@@vinylseeker867 Yeah I am very interested in the Topping DAC myself and almost bought the D30 just to try. Perhaps once I finished reviewing all the gear I have, I will reach out to them.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Yeah, with the Musical Paradise, changing the tubes is a must.
@timothymoorman7437
@timothymoorman7437 4 года назад
Night and day difference between the two dacs. Quite surprising though just how large the gap. I own the Ares II and agree with your findings completely, but would like to add that its not uncommon for me to jump, contort, finger-snap and attempt to boogie while listening. It's not pretty.
@sthr2110
@sthr2110 3 года назад
Constructive criticism: For your spoken word, the audio is VERY quiet. Even with a volume booster, I have my MBP turned up to 2/3. When I switch to other videos by other YT'ers, I have to remember to turn the volume down or I'll get BLASTED with sound!
@Sup3riorr
@Sup3riorr 4 года назад
To me Ares II sounds better more airy and better soundstage, while the second dac was sounding more like a closed in sound much more narrow according to my hd800
@mikegoppert4177
@mikegoppert4177 4 года назад
Huge difference to me. Ares II far more clear and expansive.
@ethr95awd
@ethr95awd 4 года назад
wow the ares crushed it in the demo for me
@ccwnyc5671
@ccwnyc5671 4 года назад
It did. But how accurate can my TV audio be? Pretty cool though. Worth a real demo.
@jdavis234
@jdavis234 3 года назад
Your own dac was crushing it. You can’t really hear a dac out of another dac 😆
@mmma4096
@mmma4096 Год назад
Hi, I have a Marantz NA-11S1, do you think this Denafrips Ares II DAC are better in sound and quality? do you think is a good idea to replaced with this one? Thanks and let me know.
@DistroUser
@DistroUser 4 года назад
I would love a comparative review of the Denefrips and the Bifrost 2...are you up to the challenge? Cheers
@denniswade4998
@denniswade4998 4 года назад
Great video, Thomas! You really have a knack for capturing the nuances of equipment. I'm always left with a good grasp of what to expect from the equipment you review. I'm glad you take time to emphasize how important gear synergy is. It's easy to get excited about something and forget that you need to think about the system you're putting it into. I am still very happy with my Musical Paradise D1. With the right tubes it sounds very good. The sound demo was interesting. Yes, I know it's RU-vid, but I liked the bass on the Aires. However, the MP-D1 did sound more analog.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Yeah, if you are enjoying what you have, then don't bother trying other stuff. The MP DAC is also a great DAC.
@matthewhilty4209
@matthewhilty4209 4 года назад
I thought id like the Ares more but i found myself "chair dancing" to the musical paradise. Go Figure.
@igaldins
@igaldins 4 года назад
Me too! :) Chair dancing on the paradise but not on the Ares! (I like Naim gear)
@vivianvaldi7871
@vivianvaldi7871 3 года назад
I wonder why u loose ur precious time testing Denafrips with this setting : it's amazing how crazy cheap it sounds here compared to Paradise DAC. I would put this sound demo aside... sorry but big health problems might be ahead. Have u done a recent audio check ? I'm afraid u fried ur ears or just did not check this demo. Sorry it's a bit straight but, the sound out of this ARES II u provide here is an industrial disaster... what more can I say : check it.
@dvlduvall
@dvlduvall 4 года назад
For $700, it is a great way to experience R2R. Ordered today. Amazing review and thoughts.
@dvlduvall
@dvlduvall 3 года назад
@Sean MacDonald it is. I like how it handles super high rates easily. I can use Audirvana upsampling. And of course all the Audiophile jargon... separation of instruments, etc
@michaelwright1602
@michaelwright1602 2 года назад
I just purchased the Ares II... Game changer for me. Paired with the Model 5 speakers, I went back in time. There was that sound I grew up with, those records on the record player. I heard an immediate difference in SQ upon installing the Ares II in my system. Dean Martin and his orchestra sounded like it should, like it would have back in the Las Vegas Sands showroom, which I have been too. That bite from the chip DACs was now gone. The shrillness of the horns, gone. Dean's voice was silky smooth, like I expect it to sound. Even Frank Sinatra sounded good, LOL! The Ares II took that live recording to another level vs my Gungnir and or Cambridge DACs. Yep, game changer. And here I thought it was my system, no it was the DAC. So, if you are sitting and listening to music, even casually, and find it is no longer enjoyable and you just can't put your finger on what is wrong, maybe give the Ares II a look. Is it the best DAC in the world? Hell, I don't know. What I do know, is that I can now sit and listen to my tunes without getting a headache.
@bobdupuy5910
@bobdupuy5910 4 года назад
You should take a look at the Topping D90. It has received a very favorable review compared with the Aries II.
@joeybrooks5625
@joeybrooks5625 4 года назад
D90 is not as good imo
@bobdupuy5910
@bobdupuy5910 4 года назад
@@joeybrooks5625 Please read the reviews of both by Soundnews. This guy has the most comprehensive DAC RU-vid reviews. He compares the Denafrips Venus to the D90. The Aries II simply cannot keep up with very fast attacking music the way the D90 can, nor can it come close to matching the bass of the D90. My have strong bass, but not too tight. However the D90 gives my speakers much greater control in the low end. Also the D90 requires at least 100 hours of break in to hear its full potential.
@17cream
@17cream 3 года назад
@@joeybrooks5625 agree 100%, not a fan of the D90, not that it’s a bad DAC but doesn’t have the attributes of the Ares II.
@thaynamite
@thaynamite 4 года назад
Where is the budget DAC mentioned in the title ? Cheers thaynamite :)))
@robk5745
@robk5745 4 года назад
As soon as I heard bright I decided not for me, can you review the $999 musical paradise dac?
@ccwnyc5671
@ccwnyc5671 4 года назад
He did a full review. Are you referring to another MP tho?
@robk5745
@robk5745 4 года назад
CCWNYC yes MP has a bigger and better version for $500 more. Check out their website, looks like a crazy dac
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Perhaps eventually I will. Regarding bright, it is relative. It might work well in your system.
@aleksandarstojceski3139
@aleksandarstojceski3139 4 года назад
I would call it open but not bright. It's not like B&W bright .
@audioprom2662
@audioprom2662 4 года назад
I really like the short sound demo at the end. Specially the short section that demonstrate the stark difference between the two. Short, precise, and effective! Speaking about the difference though...wow!
@WombatVC
@WombatVC 4 года назад
Not really a valid demo when done via RU-vid encode>compress>decode.
@46wireboy
@46wireboy 4 года назад
And to think I'm endlessly seeing fruitbats saying all dacs are the same as long as they measure well; showing they were designed OK.
@donaldbryant5295
@donaldbryant5295 4 года назад
Luna? Is off topic. How about a review on the carver crimson 275 as compared to pprimaluna
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Sure, if they reach out to me.
@edwarddodge7937
@edwarddodge7937 4 года назад
There's a bass resonance at the end of the third note from the synth (left channel only). Not sure if it's really there because the Ares reproduces it and the Musical Paradise does not. That being said, I sort of prefer that the Musical Paradise sits back a little bit from the images. Sounds more refined. That being said, you really can't go wrong with either of these.
@mikegoddard7354
@mikegoddard7354 3 года назад
You need to review the mid tier Venus II or Pontus and test those different settings. Most reviewers are finding there is a clear difference
@vramsrini
@vramsrini 3 года назад
Thomas, could you comment on how you expect Ares ii to sound with Willsenton R8 driving LS50 Thanks
@Ryan-yi6su
@Ryan-yi6su 11 месяцев назад
Hello Thomas it's been awhile I have an excellent question for you In one of your videos you mentioned monitor audio how the speakers are bright I also have an Onkyo receiver which is probably bright so my question is what type of DAC would smooth things out
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 11 месяцев назад
IFI Neo, denafrips, ladder schumann but you might get more return by getting a smoother poweramp. If you lack power and missing bass, it will naturally sound brighter.
@Ryan-yi6su
@Ryan-yi6su 11 месяцев назад
​@@ThomasAndStereo Would vtv 2 channel tube / opamp Amp connected to my Onkyo would work? Do you have affiliate link
@lwwells
@lwwells 4 года назад
I'd really be curious to hear a comparison to the Chord Qutest.
@-havoc-tzu-3197
@-havoc-tzu-3197 4 года назад
I have the qutest and the ares2.. ares 2 is more holographic, qutest is more precise. I prefer ares 2 for music, and i use qutest for gaming because of the ares2 buffer delay.
@OrganNLou
@OrganNLou 4 года назад
Hi Luke, I have owned the Ares II now for a couple of weeks and I am VERY IMPRESSED! Having owned the Chord Hugo, the Ares II prompted me to sell the Chord. MAGIC!!
@lwwells
@lwwells 4 года назад
@@OrganNLou Interesting. Can you compare and contrast at all? Do you listen with headphones or a 2 channel setup?
@OrganNLou
@OrganNLou 4 года назад
@@lwwells Hi Luke, Chord do make excellent dacs that produce hyper detail (often a little forward-flat in perspective). The denafrips dac has a very natural, but detailed sound. Massed strings which can sound rather artificial through most dacs, sound so smooth and dynamic with the Ares II. Voices are handled with body (presence). Staging is extraordinarily good! My system is 2 channel, (GoldenEar speakers,VTL Pre,Pass Amp, Nordost cables)
@lwwells
@lwwells 4 года назад
@@OrganNLou Thank you for your thoughts.
@oraz.
@oraz. 4 года назад
u should audition the new Tannoy gold monitors if you ever see them.
@stephenoverton8352
@stephenoverton8352 4 года назад
Why would he review or even audition a studio monitor when all of his other speakers are clearly passive? Your suggestion makes no sense.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
No no, I am open to trying all kind of gear. I did have a few active speakers and many people had suggested I give studio Monitor a try and eventually I will.
@Maxime-ho9iv
@Maxime-ho9iv 4 года назад
So now you need to review the Denafrips Terminator :)
@donbustoarigato2997
@donbustoarigato2997 4 года назад
Tough call, good review. For me what is important is for the DAC to be the least digital and the most analog sounding. If that means softening or rolling off the highs then so be it.
@takeiteasy6154
@takeiteasy6154 2 года назад
So you don't want a verbatim master tape?
@Nick2842
@Nick2842 3 года назад
You kind of talk down to people and in circles a little long winded
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
I see, thanks for the advice, will do better.
@cybergod77
@cybergod77 4 года назад
Thks for the review Thomas and I have the Denafrips Ares II. The sound demo comparison was very useful and I do prefer the Ares II over the MP-D1 MK3. The latter sounded softer, more laid back and less dynamic.
@HHTTRRNN
@HHTTRRNN 3 года назад
The Ares sounds MUCH BETTER when operating on a separate A/C line circuit, even if you must use a very long extension cord to reach another outlet in your home that is on another circuit breaker. No disrespect to the reviewer, but seems you are struggling to find fault with the Ares.
@victormoreno2767
@victormoreno2767 4 года назад
Wow! I follow various HiFi review channels, from Steve to Zero Fidelity and your channel is becoming the one that stands out. The music comparison at the end is a home run. Lot of good advise in this video too. You are becoming the HiFi Sensei!
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Thanks for the compliment. We all offer something different and glad you enjoyed my content.
@aleksandarstojceski3139
@aleksandarstojceski3139 4 года назад
If you listen large symphonic pieces you'll like the Ares. Also reproduces grand piano like nothing else.
@fiogray
@fiogray 3 года назад
What does the Ares do well with Large symphonic pieces?
@robertm8518
@robertm8518 4 года назад
I’d like to know where you can buy this DAC for $700.00? From what I can tell there’s only one distributor WW and the price is $1,028.00 and it’s been this price for the last six months.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
The $1028 is Singapore currency.
@briancampbell7712
@briancampbell7712 Год назад
I'm thinking of getting the new Vincent SV-737 hybrid...designed in Germany...it has a optical and coaxial...how much would it benefit me to use one of your favorite DAC's with it?...Why is it that only the cheaper built Korea and china Dac's have an hdmi ? I'd love to use one with eArc...thank you!
@nunofernandes4501
@nunofernandes4501 3 года назад
Hi Thomas, do you think my system would be "worthy" of the Ares II? It's a Rega Elex-R amp with Dali Oberon 5 speakers, would I get most of the mojo out of it? Or is the Ares too good for my gear?
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
I have no idea what you have now so there is no frame of reference. It will do something to your system but it depends what is your taste. Your system is pretty good but you would probably get more return spending money on the speaker instead. Check out this video and it explains why I can't really answer you like that. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2CKey_opnmE.html
@sambalsamurai9672
@sambalsamurai9672 2 года назад
Excellent Review +1 subbed Comparisons Intro Voice Siblance Crystals Base Denafrips Ares II 12:41 12:56 13:04 13:19 13:28 Musical Paradise 13:41 13:55 14:03 14:18 14:30
@Ryan-yi6su
@Ryan-yi6su 2 года назад
Hello Thomas I'm just wondering do you have a good better best stand-alone dac for home stereo. Budget would be $600 Canadian or less We aren't rich like Thomas I don't think most people have 15,000 $ plus speakers so we might not notice the flaws. Just a thought
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 2 года назад
I have a video coming soon on the SONCOZ Dac that is quite surprising. Around the price you are looking at and it is no joke.
@r.adamberk4904
@r.adamberk4904 4 года назад
Hey Thomas - I’m playing this video in my car and have the volume on the stereo turned up to 100% maximum and can still barely hear you. You really need to start using a limiter on the audio mix of your videos to normalize/maximize the overall volume/level closer to the RU-vid LUFS standard. It makes it very difficult (and dangerous) to watch your videos. If I forget to turn the volume back down before the next video starts playing, I will literally damage the speakers in my car.
@jessielees
@jessielees 4 года назад
... i think what makes it dangerous actually is watching/listening to youtube while your driving... 😂
@planchernewfinish
@planchernewfinish 4 года назад
Hi thomas, the ares II was a very good dac wished i'd had a bit more time with it:) of the the bat it was a fun dac the high end wasnt to bad nothing a cable couldnt adjust, the bass welll a sub can fix that. But yes the textures were good gave depth to the instruments. As usual very informative to listen to your review ! Ooh and i think your roasted on an other youtube channel,you should look into that:)
@ronaldmcdonald2456
@ronaldmcdonald2456 4 года назад
Yep! Cables as tone controls. I've rolled several different cable recipes over the years and I'm a firm believer.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Haha, I chat with Sean and Jay frequently so it is all in good fun. I will get back at them...someday :) Yeah, I am glad I got to try it in your system as I try to share as much of my real-life experience with my viewers. I like to try it at different locations and different systems to get a better idea of how it performs in the real world.
@planchernewfinish
@planchernewfinish 4 года назад
I would try MIT 330 shotgun interconnect with that dac, the 330 has a rolloff on the top end.
@JL-si6fz
@JL-si6fz 4 года назад
But is the Ares 2 “good enough”?
@divertiti
@divertiti 4 года назад
You need to try the Denafrips Terminator, it's several levels above. Did you try different cables? The brightness might be your silver cables
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Yes, I did try different cables so I was able to get it to sound the way I like with them. Terminator? Maybe some day.
@rizalahmad4207
@rizalahmad4207 4 года назад
Love the demo section. Really do helps on pin pointing the criteria that you have mention in your assessment. The difference is quite obvious between the two.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it, I will try to use that demo going forward whenever I can since it is copyright free.
@jungtarcph
@jungtarcph 4 года назад
@@ThomasAndStereo yeah it is really good for hearing differences... Normally I can never hear the difference between DACs
@rothschildianum
@rothschildianum 4 года назад
After listening to several reviews about this Denafrips Ares, I ordered one since it is not expensive, and my new Denon CD player sucks! I used to use a $4K CD player. The old CD player has problem with the laser, and they cannot fix the laser anymore. Therefore, on July 3rd I placed an order directly to Denafrips in Singapore, and this morning I received the Denafrips Ares II. I connected right away to my system. I cannot believe what I heard. It is a huge improvement in all aspects. The timbre of human voices or any musical instruments sound much better than what Denon CD player or my $4K CD Player can produce. I am REALLY happy with $738 that I spent on this DAC. I really recommend this DAC if you want to improve the quality of your CD player without spending a lot of money.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Hi Selmer, thanks for taking the time to let me know and share your experience! I am really happy the Ares II really worked for you.
@karlbarstad
@karlbarstad 4 года назад
Surprise Taylor Swift interruption at 8:05. Wouldn’t have heard it if I wasn’t watching this on my system 😅
@NiSHAN256
@NiSHAN256 4 года назад
I have the same experience too, the best way to hear the technologies is to try the entry level products, the higher end you go the more things that sound similar.
@billwillard9410
@billwillard9410 4 года назад
Good news! Price gouging no longer applies to toilet paper/masks/hand sanitizer - it has now moved to the audiophile world. Someone in China’s trying to sell the new Ares II on eBay for the low price of $928, about $226 USD over buying it direct from Vinshine. The kicker is that they’re not promising delivery until between April 14th and June 9th.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
OMG...that is just so wrong.
@victormoreno2767
@victormoreno2767 4 года назад
I think is the same guy that is selling another one for 720 usd used only 1 month. He is just making sure we get it cheaper from him! :)
@billwillard9410
@billwillard9410 4 года назад
Victor Moreno He started at $499 and has 20 bids, so probably not.
@MrPhins
@MrPhins 4 года назад
First video of yours I've watched and really enjoyed your insights. I was sold on the Ares. Then I heard the demo and I found the vocals on the MP "smoother"? and more appealing. Also, the intro on the Ares more detailed but a bit too much in the high end. I'm def no audiophile but the difference surprised me. So now I've got a conundrum lol. Regardless, subbed.
@Harvy75a
@Harvy75a Месяц назад
I am waiting for the review of the new Denafrips Ares 15th
@ronaldmcdonald2456
@ronaldmcdonald2456 4 года назад
You're DEEP! And like good wine---for which I've also had some great recipes over the years :)---you keep getting better. The Ares was on my radar a few months ago, BUT, I also had a need for some sort of preamp to go with my new Neurochrome power amp. I ended up with the Singxer SDA-2 after looking at a few others in that category. The decision was heavily influenced by availability and delivery time. It's not bad and it'll hold me over for a year or 2 as I build my dream system. Ultimately, I want to end up with the Denafrips Terminator...combined with a balanced tube preamp; speakers utilizing a sophisticated electronic crossover; and a SWARM-style bass array. In the meantime, thanks for providing first-class entertainment as I travel the path.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Thanks, yeah I like to check out their Terminator one day too and how it compares to the $4k DAC that I have tried. Maybe some time in the future. Now I noticed the Singxer measured really well on audiosciencereview but how does it sound? Are you satisfied and what DAC are you comparing it to?
@ronaldmcdonald2456
@ronaldmcdonald2456 4 года назад
@@ThomasAndStereo Every instrument is accounted for on the Singxer. Very detailed. To the point of sounding a bit edgy. It may be that the Singxer could use a little more breaking in. My old MyDAC is smoother and more well rounded. A friend's Topping DX7Pro is also a lot smoother and more homogenized than the Singxer. On the other hand, I had a couple of days of bliss with the Singxer when I switched from Daphile to Euphony OS. The sound became absolutely sumptuous, and all that detail in the Singxer found a reason for being. That was expecially true when natively playing DSD recorded selections. The bigger the file the better it seems. The bliss didn't last because the Euphony started skipping very badly. Apparently all that ArchLinux-based software needs a lot more processing power than my little Celeron-equipped Partaker mini computer is capable of partaking in.:) I'm now back to Daphile, the unbreakable one. It can't go toe-to-tow with Euphony, or Audiophile Linux, BUT, it's always there when you need it. I'll update my impressions once I've had a few months of pounding on the Singxer.
@nicktaylor7680
@nicktaylor7680 3 года назад
Wow listening to the sound check at the end it apparent what a big yet detailed sound the denafrips has very impresive -thank you Thomas.
@turcinovic90
@turcinovic90 4 года назад
of course, just relative comparison but MP sounds compressed, that is why the Aries comes out as brigter but more impressive.
@dp1582
@dp1582 3 года назад
i just cannot convince myself that a DAC is worth that much
@carlitomelon4610
@carlitomelon4610 3 года назад
Audio science review might be a good place to hang out then. If they can't measure it then it doesn't exist:-D
@carlosmanuelmendizabalmedi5460
@carlosmanuelmendizabalmedi5460 4 года назад
Excellent review Thomas. Had you the chance to test Denafrips Ares !! vs Topping D90? Thanks.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Unfortunately not
@supergiddy3
@supergiddy3 4 года назад
Hi Thomas, informative as always. Being familiar with the Buchard S400’s warmish top end, how do you feel it would combine with the ares 2? Was thinking that plus the Billie amp further down the line and budget, ha. Curious about your thoughts!
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
With the S400, I don't have good success myself with class D so no sure how it wil perform with the Billie. You will have to ask Jay at the next best thing studio. I wish I have a S400 so I can try it with the Ares II but Jay would be better at answering this question.
@supergiddy3
@supergiddy3 4 года назад
Thomas & Stereo Thanks so much, I’ll reach out Jay!
@moonlight-kh6uz
@moonlight-kh6uz 4 года назад
It looks like SMSL M400 beats this Denafrips: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rjus0erFU_4.html
@LordVictorHalgaard
@LordVictorHalgaard 4 года назад
I get the point you were making, and it is very true in many ways, that being said: There most certainly is a "best" dac at any price range. Whether it the best sounding, or the one you like the most, is something entirely different. I really wish people, especially in HiFi could learn do understand objective vs subjective evaluation.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
I get what you are saying. For example , DAC A can have the best tightest bass out of all the DAC in the $700 zone. However, will DAC A have the best instrument separation out of all the DAC in the $700 zone. If not, then is it still the best? This is a great question to chat over beer.
@mariocassar6087
@mariocassar6087 4 года назад
Hi Thomas. I now had the Denafrips Ares2 for about four weeks. I can confirm that this is an excellent DAC , with excellent soundstage, and in my system with the Innuos ZEN3, Yamaha A-S3000, and the Canton Ref.8K , and Mogami and Canare cabling, it is producing the sound I prefer, especially on classical music and jazz. I must say....not for the price, but at any price, it is a fantastic DAC in the right room and system!
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Thanks for sharing!
@gnpd07
@gnpd07 3 года назад
Thomas, I have not heard the ARES 2. Can you tell me how you think it would pair with the Willsenton R8? I am considering the ARES 2, bifrost 2, or Topping D90. My aim is natural and spacious, not clinical or dry. Playing through double impacts, no sub. Thank you
@jaysworld5378
@jaysworld5378 4 года назад
I hope you review dacs from Questyle soon. Thanks
@MaxNakfoor
@MaxNakfoor 3 года назад
tfw he calls a $1k dac "budget" and "entry level"
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Well is a $30k car entry level or not? For a B&W, yes but for a Toyota, no. It's all relative and for the performance of this DAC, it belongs to the higher end DAC world and in that world, $700 is entry level.
@MaxNakfoor
@MaxNakfoor 3 года назад
@@ThomasAndStereo I kinda put them all in the same category, ranging from $50-$10000
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
@@MaxNakfoor I see, so what is budget then? For some, $50 is already expensive.
@MaxNakfoor
@MaxNakfoor 3 года назад
@@ThomasAndStereo I personally consider sub $300 budget/entry level. I think it can be further broken down into sub sections from -$100, $100-200, and $200-$300 but I don't really know what those sections would be called
@geraldgreene5563
@geraldgreene5563 2 года назад
Hi Thomas, Happy new year.. another year of enjoying the music and hopefully ending the pandemic, I have a question regarding the Lumin D2 verus bluesound node 2i/denefripp Aries II, which do you believe would be superior. Thanks!
@franciscocarneiro181
@franciscocarneiro181 2 года назад
Hi Thomas, I've noticed that you don't talk very much about USB interfaces like the IRIS from Denafrips or others from SMSL or topping, etc. Actually, I have a Gungnir dac, modded, with the first usb version and this is really the weakest board in the system. Many people should just change the interface, not the dac. I'm happy with mine, (my dac). So, what do you say about making a video under the interface subject, or favourite one, in the price range of the Iris? I bet many people would like it. I confess that I am in a crossing road, not able to make a decision. Well, most the times we see your videos to make an opinion about a specific item, ultimately an item we want to buy, and I don't know what interface should I aquire in this moment. It it is of some interest for you, or if you feel like doing that video, I really would appreciate very much and so many of us, I am sure. That being said, I want to thank you for the interesting videos and the nice and honest work you do for all of us, I like it, we like it !
@billwillard9410
@billwillard9410 4 года назад
Thanks; have been anticipating this one for a while; wanted to see how your review and Jay’s compared.
@46wireboy
@46wireboy 4 года назад
Thomas, you should try an r2r dac closer to the exa's price. I'm curious to see if it remains your endgame dac.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
I am sure if I look hard enough, there are plenty of DAC that will perform amazing at that price. That is the beauty of this hobby, so many choices.
@tomasbroulik7496
@tomasbroulik7496 2 года назад
Do you think this one can be a major upgrade from built in Bluesound Node (2021 model) solution?
@mechantl0up
@mechantl0up 2 года назад
Ares 2 sounds very different in OS and NOS modes. You have basically two different DACs. I found that for my electrostatic headphones the NOS mode lacked detail. Although, for some other drivers that are less revealing that mode may be sufficient. OS, however, brings up the detail level without making the DAC sound too digital.
@musicjewell9329
@musicjewell9329 2 года назад
Damn 850 is budget... I'm too darn broke I guess ha. Thanks for video!!! Love them
@HungryEatNow
@HungryEatNow 4 года назад
I'm so buying this but I doubt I can hear a difference Using silver cable is cheating lol...
@xstensl8823
@xstensl8823 3 года назад
how well does the Denafrips delineate instruments compared to the Bitfrost? how does it compare to the Qutest? due to Covid i can not fly to SGN. going nuts. thanks
@newton5954
@newton5954 4 года назад
Ares 2 vs schiit gungnir multibit what's better sound? This dacs are close in $ over all sharpness openness details etc. What do you think ? Should compare this to the d90 and multibit schiit gungnir
@fubartotale3389
@fubartotale3389 2 года назад
A question for all you knowledgeable audiophiles out there, this "budget" DAC has a large toroidal transformer, while the high end ones that I have seen do not seem to have a transformer at all. More than one way to skin a digital cat, or what?
@billbones1000
@billbones1000 4 года назад
Thomas you got me all worked up for a new DAC! Didnt want to spend more than 500$ CAD. Just got an 8 year old PS Audio digital link 3 of CAM for well below my maximum budget and man, compared to my old Cambridge DAC magic it's a game changer!! I get the feeling that when it comes to DACs, used is the way to go.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Do you like the PS audio DAC you got? If yes, enjoy it!
@billbones1000
@billbones1000 4 года назад
@@ThomasAndStereo yup, big improvement in every metric over the old DAC magic I had......and for 400$ it's probably alot of DAC for the $!
@governmentliars4673
@governmentliars4673 3 года назад
Sound demo...massive difference. Denafrips appears to be night and day above the Musical Paradise....
@jamesdwright
@jamesdwright 4 года назад
I'd be interested in a head to head with the Bifrost 2 Thomas. Another DAC that's getting great reviews with its multibit and unison USB tech.
@jamesdwright
@jamesdwright 4 года назад
By the way the video production is really coming on and bullet point comparison between other products is really useful. I guess you also have to factor in after sales service and return policy should you have any issues.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
@@jamesdwright Thanks! The Bifrost 2 is interesting but unless Schiit reaches out to me, I don't think I will get one. I have fun filming and trying to improve my videos, the only downside is it takes time.
@jamesdwright
@jamesdwright 4 года назад
@@ThomasAndStereo they'd be crazy not to send Thomas a unit for review! Anyway I'm on the lookout for a new DAC as I had to send the MP back; just didn't work for me. Kept crashing over usb so I need something I can leave on all the time.
@De132an
@De132an 3 года назад
For your readers to consider. The Ares II does provided NOS and OS, the latter with slow or sharp filters. These 3 variations on the sound do make a difference and should be experimented with if you need to match to a particular system characteristic, that is to say if your system is on the bright side of neutral or on the warm side, as Tomas laments during the entire review. Even going from recording to a recording, on a micro level you can even use these filters to improve the recording from one another, simply push a button. So “two button” toggling to me sounds pretty innocuous especially when the manufacturer went through the added costs and giving the end users these flavor options at such a modest price point. All for around $700US. Is it a $4,000 dac? No. Does one need to spend that much money in 2020 to get really good sound? Nope! Dacs have come a long way.
@tek00732882
@tek00732882 4 года назад
3050i OMG!! When is the review out? I can spoil it to you tho'... rolled of highs, damn good vocals and muddy bass (sometimes). Add a subwoofer and it sounds really good.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Haha, you just did the review for me! Maybe you should send me a video of it!
@stephencosta6814
@stephencosta6814 4 года назад
@@ThomasAndStereo not Fair if he sends a video so am I I have a lot of things to review as well the funny thing is all my reviews are based on your opinion LOL
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
@@stephencosta6814 Please do Steve! Film your system in a 7 , 8 min clip reviewing your own system!
@armandorancano6415
@armandorancano6415 3 года назад
Hi, Thomas, I'm a subscriber to your channel and considering buying a Pontus. However, I have read that improvements from the Ares, which I now have, are accompanied by a loss of warmth. I have Klipsch IV speakers. If there is a loss of warmth upgrading to the Pontus, depending on the amount, it might impact my system's SQ adversely. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this. Your channel is a must-read for me. Many thanks.
@HailKingCeezer
@HailKingCeezer 3 года назад
That demo was very obvious but i wonder if in person, it sounds a little too forward and "harsh" to pair with Klipsch or other horn based speakers?
@humanitech
@humanitech 4 года назад
The one left in this range might the NME API-2 with filter and eq. Now that sounds as if it's versatile to tailor the sound
@trekjudas
@trekjudas 3 года назад
I got one! It’s nice!
@MrBonger88
@MrBonger88 3 года назад
Definitely a lot of energy in the Presence/Sibilance zone. Maybe a little too much for my taste
@HermesTrismegistes369
@HermesTrismegistes369 4 года назад
Does anybody know if this corona virus pandemic is affecting placing orders over at denafrips? Thanks!
@elmura73
@elmura73 2 года назад
Well done on approaching with a scientific method. ie. No such thing as best. Just different. And what is best for you is dependent on your system and tastes. I have a Topping D90 and love the sound but miss the depth of imaging I've had with other DACs. The Ares II would definitely improve on that but my system needs all the punch it can get, and the treble needs to be tamed. So no Ares II for me. When you get a chance, review the SMSL VMV D1se
@PixelPhobiac
@PixelPhobiac 2 года назад
I have one and it's great
@joenogueira2801
@joenogueira2801 4 года назад
I use an Ares II with a Schiit Freya + and that combo is a match made in heaven in my system ( Bluesound node 2 - Schiit Aegir x2- B&W Matrix 3 series 2 and 2xRythmik F12SE)
@Dilyaev
@Dilyaev 4 года назад
Using NOS or OS fast/slow?
@joenogueira2801
@joenogueira2801 4 года назад
Dilyaev : OS slow is my preference.
@StefanUrkel
@StefanUrkel 4 года назад
I bet you have a pretty airy and wide soundstage with that setup. Do your pair of Schiit Aegir run warm or hot? I’m considering them since they cost about $1600 a pair and are on Stereophile’s class A recommended list, along with the likes of the $3000/pr PS Audio Stellar m700 monoblocks. But I worry about the wattage not being enough. I heard they can drive KEF LS50 pretty well and sound good together, but that Magnepan LRS can clip using the Aegir. So, long-term, if I ever end up with less sensitive speakers and need more power, I’m concerned the Aegirs won’t be as “future proof”.
@joenogueira2801
@joenogueira2801 4 года назад
@@StefanUrkel Soundstage is phenomenal and sound cohesion exceeds my expectations. This B&W model likes a lot of current, which is a problem for Aegir. I have one good Aegir which can drive both speakers full range without issues, but the other was replaced 3 times and still can't do that. My initial intention was to vertically bi-amp but given the circumstances, I''ve had to compromise and use the weaker Aegir to drive both tweeters, while my good Aegir runs the mid range (down to 70Hz). Oddly enough, the good Aegir works harder and never gets hot, while the weaker Aegir is always hot even if it's only driving tweeters! I use an active Bryston 10B Crossover to send the low bass to the subs. The Bryston uses Butterworth crossovers (same as B&W) No issues with this set up and I can play as loud as my ears can tolerate (average 90dB). The take away here is that, there's a consistency issue with Aegir, so your mileage may vary... however, their sound is truly charming and their uncanny ability to retrieve details is what got them on the A list recommendation.
@StefanUrkel
@StefanUrkel 4 года назад
@@joenogueira2801 Seems like a consistency issue in their production if you had to replace one of the Aegir 3x and it still can’t drive the speakers full range but the other one can. Thanks for the input. Did the Schiit technicians give you any idea why you are experiencing that inconsistency?
@olegpa
@olegpa 3 года назад
Hello Thomas , firstly thanks for a review. A little general question. When we decide either the dac (for example) is bright or dark sounding, do we take in consideration the interconnect cables ? In my case I have AQ King Kobra and Nordost Purple ... And they change so much tonallity of any system I tryed. The same I can say for speaker cables. And I would say I am so tired beacause of this change of sound made by interconnects. I have no found the one I like. If there was the good solution all in one like Marantz PM7000N but better sound quality I would go with this. Also, if the audio was like the computer where there is a standard interfaces and intefchangable modules it would be so good. Imagine only, Like you upgrade graphic card in your desktop, the same way you upgrade and put module dac of any company in your audio box. And there is not any interconnect cables 🙂👍
@dorischen1642
@dorischen1642 3 года назад
@thomas I have adx5000 headphone, can I check with you whats the budget choicd for my dac n amp or all in one choice?
@SAHIRVLOGCLP
@SAHIRVLOGCLP 3 года назад
Thank you very much ....I am new friend ..... stop by
@LuxAudio389
@LuxAudio389 4 года назад
Hi Thomas and Audio Community, Does anyone know where I can find Denafrips products? It seems like the only place I can find this company's lineup is in on AliExpress. Nothing against AliExpress, but there are a lot of counterfeit products on that site, just like Amazon, but more so on Ali. Thanks
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
www.vinshineaudio.com/
@kmwong1786
@kmwong1786 3 года назад
How about the other Denafrips R2R dacs like Venus and Terminator?
@robh9079
@robh9079 4 года назад
Own take; sounds analogue without sounding as though it's trying to sound analogue! I believe Willow Tree Audio in UK are dealing in Denafrips. Interesting comparison, and I guess tube pre could warm the sound of the Denafrips.
@aleksandarstojceski3139
@aleksandarstojceski3139 4 года назад
Its already very warm sounding.
@robh9079
@robh9079 4 года назад
@@aleksandarstojceski3139 I think it's warmish, though I floated the idea as Thomas deems it bright against Musical Paradise, leading to quite a few comments doing the rounds that Ares is bright!
@13thnotehifireviews7
@13thnotehifireviews7 3 года назад
I've got one at the moment Thomas and I agree with you about the tone and soundstage which are terrific but I think the treble is spot on and not bright, plus it is very accurate in treble. I'm using with the KEF LS50 metas / Monitor Audio Gold 100 and my Hegel and PMC's. Against the Qutest the soundstage is less but the Qutest is double the money and the Chord's MO. Also an RME ADI-2 DAC FS outperforms both for its detailed and balanced approach but again 30-40% more money. I think my overall impression is the Ares II suits someone who wants to trade detail for tone (its plus 2 with bass on the tone dial) because on all accounts something like a CA DAC Magic 200M will be more searing this way with detail. I agree it does perform well with a caveat that detail is reigned in, in the midrange. But it is for people who want lush tones, no sibilance, or who are sensitive to this, or have a HiFi system which isn't hugely resolving and where any shortfall in detail will not be limiting. Or for people who like Vinyl, or those who want to tame brightness in a HiFi. If you've got a really good HiFi I would recommend the Venus II I reviewed instead as the detail AND tone are all there.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
I like how precise you are with your assessment. I need to try RDI one day, thanks for sharing your observations.
@13thnotehifireviews7
@13thnotehifireviews7 3 года назад
Thomas & Stereo i’d lend you mine but postage wise might me too high. Shame we didn’t live closer.
@brewt1mer
@brewt1mer 4 года назад
I ordered my ares 5 weeks ago..can’t wait to get it in my system ...
@dannyng5427
@dannyng5427 4 года назад
I just received mine., this DAC sounds so good, no regrets.
@plcamp1
@plcamp1 3 года назад
It doesn’t measure any better than much much cheaper Topping (E30 as one example) DACs … so why exactly should this DAC even be considered?
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
If your criteria for excellence is measuring well, then you should not. Just depends what you value in a DAC.
@mpitogo
@mpitogo 4 года назад
Hi @thomas & Stereo What are your thoughts on OS vs NOS and OS with Slow vs Fast? For me NOS was what drew me into this DAC vs my McIntosh C47 DAC. I’ve switch all digital to the Ares exclusively. Lately I’ve been playing with the NOS vs OS + filters.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
I never really try comparing the both as I don't really have the time. Right now, I am testing the Lumin and some other budget streamer so my time is spent on those DAC/Streamer instead. Sorry. Maybe you can share you experience here and if someone ask me, I will just reference them to the is comment.
@yannick930
@yannick930 4 года назад
It will be interesting to compare denafrips dacs with chord dacs.
@StefanUrkel
@StefanUrkel 4 года назад
Thomas: do you think this could go with KEF LS50? Also, do you believe in such a thing as an audiophile setup to recreate accurately the experience as the artist intended? Rather than tweaked to suit your own taste?
@alvin23571
@alvin23571 4 года назад
This review your voice is too soft!
@ABRAXAS37
@ABRAXAS37 Год назад
You didn’t even test out over sampling mode?
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo Год назад
There is only 24 hours in a day.
@stephencosta6814
@stephencosta6814 4 года назад
👍💪🤗 well this is the fastest 14 minutes that ever went by in my life LOL I've been waiting for this a very long time thank you, very much I've made up my mind I'm going for ares i have musical Paradise Mark 3 i think this is a good mix keep up the great work please stay safe we need you Thomas a big fan... Steve Costello🙏🙏👌👌🤗
@Luckystudio13
@Luckystudio13 4 года назад
Steve, want to sell the musical paradise to me ?? :) message me.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Now, you have to change the tubes in the MP to 6922, get some good ones and you will see it will level up.
@vinoheart
@vinoheart 4 года назад
Ares is really bright. MP is smooth as baby bottom.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 4 года назад
Well relatively speaking but Ares could be the right brightness in your system. It depends on your speaker.
@lesrobert2777
@lesrobert2777 3 года назад
Hi Thomas. For now , my system is Buchardt s400 (Magnepan 1.7) + Kinki Studio EX-M1 + Arcam Irdac + laptop. If i swap my actual dac with Ares2, does it make a big difference? Thanks.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
I think so but also check my other reviews on the other DACs too.
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