It's because his assist numbers are garbage compared to guard and wing types, especially the ones now. Some sites track the "hockey assist" but that's not really an official stat. You actually have to watch the game to appreciate Rodman's passing ability and somewhat ignore the assist total.
@@GutsBatman That's the thing about the triangle, though... usually the pass that gets the defense out of position (even when they know the set is being run, it just takes a misread with all 5 guys moving to get burned) is 1-2 passes before the shot is made, to buttress your point.
People tell me I am crazy when I pick Denis Rodman for my "top 5 team"..... but, yo! I Want To Actually Win. Rodman PF, a young Avydas Sabonis as C, then fill in the rest.
The Wishbone Offense in basketball was mastered very quickly by Zion Williamson. It's not that difficult for him to attack and devour lots of chicken every day.
*laughs* "Now, the guy guarding Michael decides he wants to come out and try to guard me..." Jim Jackson, leaving the greatest scorer of all time to close out on Dennis Rodman at the 3 point line. Triangles be hard sometimes.
"...there go God, doin' his thing again" 😂😂😂 Allthough Rodman has a couple of screws loose in his head, he is a genuine and kind person. A straight up professional and mos def, the best rebounder the world will ever see. hats off to the Worm
A straight up professional isn't the term I'd use for a guy who'd gamble in Vegas when he was supposed to be playing, only for MJ to have to come pick him up :-P
oh yeah because I’m sure he genuinely believed it when he said bird couldn’t play in today’s nba. you know, the same bird who cooked him every time he guarded him.
Rodman was one of the greatest defensive players of all time. The fact he's able to explain all this....there are mere centimetres in this game that separates the best from the greatest.
Rodman the most overrated defender. He’s the only player in NBA history to win the award and not average atleast 1spg or 1bpg in a season EVER. Soley got DPOTY off his great defensive rebounding skills
The Triangle is a great system but only if you have a roster of players smart enough to get what Dennis is explaining at 0:15 in the video. I have seen so many teams try to run the Triangle and fail to do it because the guys on the roster didn't understand the simple concept that it doesn't matter who actually plays in the actual guard, forward and center roles. All that matters is that 3 of the 5 players on the court form a triangle with 1 player in the corner, 1 player on the wing and one player in the post _(preferably the low post)_ closest to those others in the wing and corner spots. The other 2 players are now to move to the opposite side which is known as the weak side with 1 at the top of the key and the other floating between the other wing and corner of the weak side. The Bulls and Lakers were great at hiding how they would bring the ball up the court to get into position; but once in position, it was is just a matter of running one of the 4 plays that you can execute out of the Triangle as this system only had 4. However each of the 4 plays has a counter attack option just in case whoever has the ball first at the start of the play is being double teamed. I have watched guys like Carmelo Anthony rip into the Triangle. The reason it failed so many of them is because way to many players were ball hogs that didn't want to play off the ball. The idea of moving into a position to get open to then get the ball on a pass back so you can score is just asking too much for such guys.
Exactly. Melo LOVED wing iso. As a Knicks fan I never wanted him traded to us. The Amare team before him was running & gunning & sharing the ball. We were on the cusp of greatness. Once we got Melo he clogged all the lanes, stopped movement, & it was gridlock central. Anyone who follows sports can tell you, for you to win a Championship, your team needs lots of movement. In baseball that is running the bases in a game that doesn't encourage it anymore. Not being station to station. In Football that means having multiple weapons that can run the ball from behind the line of scrimmage (QB, HB, FB, WR). In hockey it means you can't dump the puck into the zone then chase for possession - you got to have 3 players skate in to control the zone (see NY Rangers 2014 compared to 2024). In basketball it's all about what you see here. Screens, off ball movement, plays like the single double, etc. Against zones like the 2-3 you cut the seams. Too many teams rely on the lazy tactics then wonder why they can't hang.
Melo sucks. The Knicks were winning with Linsanity until he came back and killed it. It's hilarious how salty he is about the Nuggets not retiring his number.
@@ModernDayRenaissanceMan Lin better fit, plus imagine getting another star for the Melo Money. Melo wasted Stoudemire's and Felton's primes and capable role players in Steve Novak, Landry, Shumpert, JR and drove Lin out of NYC. If Pacers challenged those Heat teams those days, imagine what Knicks could have done without Melo.
@@civileit Yep. He basically wanted to ball hog again instead of running off the ball to free others while Lin passed to him when open. He would have still got his numbers but would have not had to fight as hard for them had he just not been that type. I was glad Jeremy Lin got a ring before Melo who sadly never did even after he finally humbled himself at the end of his career run.
Horrendous take. Stodemire’s knees imploded and then broke his hand when he punched the fire extinguisher. Amare made Felton look great because of the P&R, but then he showed up out of shape. Lin got massively overpaid by Houston in an offer sheet that would’ve put the Knicks way over the cap. He took the money plain and simple. None of those things had anything to do with Melo.
That triangle offense developed by Tex Winter won 11 championships between Chicago and LA for Phil Jackson. It truly was remarkably efficient and kept everything moving and not stagnant with guys just standing around the 3 point line like you see in today's game. Jordan was not a fan of it at first because he thought it would hamper his game but once he fully bought in it was over.
Actually the father of the Triangle (Triple Post) is Hall of Fame USC Coach Sam Barry who was coach to Tex Winter, Alex Hannum and Bill Sharman. Coach Barry called it the “Center Opposite”, which is the foundation of Tex Winter’s Triangle. Hannum and Sharman both won titles with Wilt running parts of the Center Opposite/Triangle.
The triangle is old. It was run quite a lot in women's college ncaa divison 1basketball. It was made by Sam Barry at the University of Southern California. 1940s. And Tex played for Sam.
Dennis Rodman is a real student of the game I've seen behind the scenes of him just watching film constantly. It's what made him such a great defensive player.
Ever hear him talk about how different misses come off the rim, practising how different spins come off, all sorts of stuff. For all the criticism he seems to have worked incredibly hard to be great at what he did. Having said that. I've never heard him speak about defense. But I can imagine quite a bit of thought went into it.😊
Not many know but he has highest basketball IQ and figured his team doesn’t need a scorer so instead be a rebounder….. and mindfking their minds. Remember, he shut shaq down with 0 point… What a legend.
@BoosterGoldEarth6 That's cause the major media wants everyone to forget about Wilt. If ppl rlly took a deep dive into Wilt and weren't all up in their feelings about I have to see it myself to believe it, they'd recognize Wilt as the true GOAT. Wilt didn't want to be the media man he wanted to dominate everybody and be nice to ppl he liked and the media treated him like a monster. If he got Kareem treatment in the NBA undoubtedly he has more talent around him throughout his career and more rings. The most overall athletic human being in recorded history at 7'2 310
@@lotuslife3239Wilt isnt the GOAT because it depends on how you describe it. In today's,league, Wilt cannot score freethrows. He is a liability if fouled late game. Wilt's competition were plumbers and janitors. Mostly. 1960s NBA paid so little players had to go to work after the game. Kevin Durant, and other such players can outscore Wilt via 3-pointers. Wilt cannot even score freethrows
@@lotuslife3239Wilt made himself like a monster. He literally bragged about approaching Larry Bird,,Magic Johnson, and Kareem and telling them to their face they are lucky he didnt face them. Wilt went to the media to BRAG about that.
Rodman’s basketball IQ is so underrated. That and his ability to throw those long outlet passes. The first thing everyone thinks of when they think of Rodman on the court is amazing rebounding and ability to chase after loose balls, but his long passing skill was also a sight to behold.
This the what is lost of modern NBA fans. They just do not understand. The game was designed to be played like a chess match, not a checkers match, and that's why people don't like it anymore. It's become basically a three-point contest with the occasional, reckless drive to the hoop. Most everyone else without the ball just stands around and watches, and the result for the fan is YAAAAWWWWN.
The game is different now, before you get 24 sec on a rebound so teams would focus on rebounds and defense, now everything is faster so no one really cares about defense or complicated offensive scheme, it's just basic stuff
@@JohnnytNatural The game's faster, 'cause the rules are against defense, making offense ever easier. Certain faces of the league get to carry, travel, and push their way through. And flopping gets rewarded.
@@JohnnytNatural "Complicated offensive scheme" Triangles are complicated? The whole point of this video was to show that the simplicity of the triangle offense was what made it successful. ISO ball is complicated. The players off of the ball have 2 option. Stand still at the 3 point line, or try to read the ISO guys mind and move to a spot that won't get in his way or drag another defender to him.
@@Davivd2 It's a figure of speech, relax, teams back then try different things to win, nowadays with analytics, every team does more or less the same thing, even drafting you can see no one pick up BIGs anymore, gone are the days of a strong big man who used to dominate the paint and enforce defense, Zack Edey is a guarantee top 3 pick if he was drafted 15 yrs ago just because of Yao Ming
Pretty cool to see how much motion was involved in that offense. When I was younger, it just appeared to me at the time, they were just dumping into MJ in the low or high post and he would just do his thing
I think anyone who’s ever played a game of basketball wants to handle the ball and score. Rodman’s brilliance was saying “I’ll do everything else,” and he was great at almost all of those things.
Rodman saw it in his mind how players moved around to make triangles. The entire team did. Jordan made sure of it and ripped into players if they weren’t getting to positions.
The triangle is simple and basic af. But the thing I like about it is how continuous it is and how it’s basically positionless except for the player in the post most the time. The 2 man action on the backside of the triangle is what tricks the defense in my opinion.
Triangle offense: first, you have to have Jordan or Kobe. Next, get a premium teammate in Pippen or Shaq. Get a few 3 point shooters and defenders/rebounders. Have Jordan/Kobe score a bunch of points and call it "triangle".
Beginning to think triangle offense is some meme or a prank Bulls pulled on everybody. Every offense is a triangle offense in every sport cause, you see, 3 players form a triangle.
Triangle was originally invented to run your offense from the post/bigman in the key to get man movement and ball movement you can flip it and run it from the 3 point line with more spacing its still good offense u just cant run it everytime in this era
The first team that decides to play this way again will win it all, because no one would be able to stop it since they don't have the right personnel, and the players they do have don't know how to play the game like this. They would literally be like the Warriors in '16. They'd have the league to themselves for a few years, easily.
I feel like Rodman was the greatest outlet passer for his time. But eventually I'd say KLove surpassed that, and then Jokic cemented himself as the absolute best at this.
The triangle offense was brilliant! It produced beautiful basketball. When you guys see the old heads playing at the gym, even though they don't know each other, the can run a motion offense based on the triangle.
Well, gee whiz folks. Three players at any three points on the court makes a triangle as long as they are not all aligned which would make a straight line. So everyone runs the triangle offense.
Greatest guy to outlet the basketball was Bill Walton.! Go look at young B.W. grab a rebound and outlet it in midair before his feet even touch the ground. No disrespect but Rodman could have been even better. When he was young he did every thing, then he became just a defender and rebounder and weird dude.He was great at it, no lie.
If our (US) society wasn't so judgmental (looking at both political parties) then we could of actually benefited from Rodman's attempt at normalizing relations with NK.
The center coming to guard Rodman at the 3 was STUPID .. they would leave him open in today’s game … he never could shoot …. And Bron has better outlet passes and starts breaks better lets be honest
So says the guy who was not a part of the offense. The Bulls never even involved Dennis Rodman in the offense, he wasn't even a 5th option when there are only 5 guys on the floor. The only offense that Dennis Rodman got was a put back on a rebound, otherwise he was a non factor on the offense.
You clearly don’t know how the offense works if you think he wasn’t part of it. You think scoring is the only role someone plays on offense? Please don’t comment on subjects you don’t understand, it wastes the time of educated people like myself having to correct you
I think Rodman forgot that the reason the defender started to come out and defend him is because in the 80s and 90s a defender couldn’t play “in-between” the ball and his man or hedge. He had to commit to a double-team fully (the guy with the ball, not another player) or stick to his man. It's not how it is today where you see guys with the ball behind the arc who can't shoot (Ben Simmons) and their defender in the paint. That's a zone, essentially and that was not allowed back in the day. Anyway,...
