Denon PMA-A110 vs Nad M33

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We check out the Denon PMA-A110 and the NAD M33 integrated amplifers.
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@istvanmanyik6499 2 года назад

I heard both before, but my choice is Denon Pma 110. I have Denon Pma 110 with Martin Logan Motion 60xti, and i just love the sound amazing! Nad is great amplifier too, but everybody different! Great review!

@DRICKismyNAME 2 года назад

no hate for both, but personally prefer NAD M33 for many reasons, the BluOs controller, the sleek modern design, the touch screen and the Dirac. Great review

@joekee2005 2 года назад

agree but M33 doesn't play DSD natively.

@DRICKismyNAME 2 года назад

@@joekee2005 dad is an east fix adding on the NAD MDC usb dsd

@joekee2005 2 года назад

@@DRICKismyNAMEOk, it came out to be the same as the Denon USB port implementation then. Thanks. fyi: Some reviewers recommended using WiFi as a transport vs. the nosier USB / Ethernet or network cable. I have been using Auralic G1 via WiFi connection to my NAS.

@froidd758 2 года назад

Denon is still the better sounding amp for me IMO.... A blind A/B test on different speakers..not just one would be a fairer review . Its called pairing and synergy.

@timschutte3961 10 месяцев назад

That is what i am thinking too you have to test on a matching speaker cause every amp sounds different with speakers.

@WimHulpia 2 года назад

Hi I tried a purifi based amp that scored superb on ASR with my Focal Electra 926s and half of the music became unlistenable. High frequencies sounded really harsh and my GF had the same experience. I tried 10 days listening to it, but my Denon AVR X3500H (yes a receiver !) still sounded way better - something I had not expected at all. I think while class D offers superb low frequency handling, the high frequencies are still a challenge. Focals are known to be very detailed sounding and I guess they show the defects of class D and still need AB. I also don't think the M33 is worth the money. Even the phono stage is digitized btw. What's the point?

@connorduke4619 Год назад

Also the midrange tonality of Class D tends to be dry.

@marcfoss7687 3 года назад

Thank you guys, very helpful.

@merakrut Месяц назад

This is like a comparison of cars, NAD (a sporty sounding fast Ferrari) vs DENON (a smooth sounding luxurious Bentley). To me anyway.

@hotareanupaul85 2 года назад

Hi! Denon fan here ! I find it hard to believe Nad M33 sounding better than Denon A110... No way can a M33 have a more gutsy sound than A110. I find it hard to believe judging by A110 internals compared to the M33. But what i find really hard to understand is how can you judge amps (whatever the brand) when listening mostly on bookshelf speakers with woofers no larger than 8 inch? ANY !! type of bookshelf even if it would be made by aliens is ....dinamically highly limited!! Let's assume you wanna keep 2 ways concept for purity, a JBL 4349 runs circles around Focals and Charios. Better yet a 4367! Then, you will be able to tell the real dynamics and quality of an amplifier. Real music doesn't even sound close to what those Focals or Chario bookshelfs sound like.

@fluxcapacitor3273 2 года назад

Completely agree Rubbish review here.

@therealshanelee 2 года назад

Lol. That's why you guys are Viewers and Not Reviewers.

@fluxcapacitor3273 2 года назад

@@therealshanelee i can buy you moron. You call yourself a hifi review? You can review toys better.

@therealshanelee 2 года назад

@@fluxcapacitor3273 How about you go and buy a better comment.

@jeromelester8 Год назад

The other problem are the grills on the speakers = distorted sound! GR-Research often speaks about it.

@aussie8114 2 года назад

Maybe if you have to crank up the NAD to get power then the Denon might be a better lower listening amp.

@RealDiGiPHiX 2 года назад

Can you set the NAD display to turn off if you're not navigating the menus

@chrissimmonds4383 9 месяцев назад

No experience with the NAD M33 but my recently bought Denon PMA-A110 was sent back for two reasons. Reason 1, the USB dac input needs a special driver if you are playing from a Windows PC. I couldn't find one for Windows 11 so couldn't use the higher res capability of the dac. Reason 2, I didn't think the sound was as good as my aged JVC AX-Z1010TN. The bass was heavy and it gave an overly warm effect, yet I found the treble and upper midband too bright. Also it just wasn't 'boppy' enough for me. It sounded slow. If the sound had been brilliant I would have kept it, regardless of the PC Driver problem. The sound issue could have been a mismatch with my speakers (PMC Twenty5/23 floorstanders) I think you should definitely audition with your speakers with this amp. It is incredibly well built and I wanted to really like it, but not for me.

@Osamabinliner69 2 года назад

Can you use the M33 as a pure music server and connect it to a better amp for sound?

@Novilicious 3 года назад

I wish you still had those focals as reference! Did you miss them in your review or like this more? Or just different?

@therealshanelee 3 года назад

Unfortunately I had to give them back. We're working on getting something equally as good though.

@Travel_n_TourFan 3 года назад

Hi Shane love your channel 👋 regarding the NAD M33, that sucks about not having a USB port. Can you still connect an iPod touch via Bluetooth?

@simianinc 3 года назад

Should be able to connect via Airplay if the touch has it

@michaelp7185 2 года назад

USB converter

@WhatEver-dx3eu 2 года назад

@@michaelp7185 M33 does have a USB port; it allows you to plug in a USB drive with music which will show up in the app

@WhatEver-dx3eu 3 года назад

Why did you guys not use the integrated streamer of the M33, rather than doubling up wit a Bluesound? That and Dirac are big plusses in an amplifier, both of which the Denon lacks.

@gergelykiss1142 2 года назад

Because they has no idea about how to taste an amp. Also the reviews they doing is a joke….

@MrZenderOne 2 года назад

great review

@gb3496 3 года назад

So the $5,000, 200 wpc amp is better than the $3,600, 80 wpc amp... huh...

@simianinc 3 года назад

Right but much of the extra price is streaming capability, and a touch screen you’ll almost never touch

@fabrisony7729 2 года назад

Actually no

@Desertbiker617 4 месяца назад

Higher wattage doesn't mean better sound.

@gb3496 4 месяца назад

@@Desertbiker617 It does if you have hard to drive speakers.

@Desertbiker617 4 месяца назад

@gb3496 I used to have Martin Logan electrostats which goes down to 1.5 Ohm, easily driven by high current 80wpc amp.

@kortam6065 2 года назад

What speaker are u guys using on this? Ty

@therealshanelee 2 года назад

Sonus Faber concertina and Dynaudios.

@funnyworld9784 3 года назад

we just need record the sound and let us decide which one is better, words tooo much words and didn't show any direct evidence!

@therealshanelee 3 года назад

You can't be serious if you think you can hear a difference over a RU-vid video.

@funnyworld9784 3 года назад

@@therealshanelee memory lies...

@elonlove343 2 года назад

@@therealshanelee I think he's talking about sound files.

@masterofrevolt106 Год назад

@@therealshanelee Through headphones absolutely.

@Roof_Pizza 3 года назад

I wouldn't do either but the NAD was closer. No class D for me. I NEED Class A/B Digital inputs ~100 watts or more Decent looks 2 pair of speaker terminals Home theatre bypass. A display I can eyeball at a distance. Sub output/control.

@WhatEver-dx3eu 3 года назад

Luddite? Djeez - Class D has come such a looooong way, the better ones now eclipsing A/B and even A on all fronts. Open your mind and ears dude ;-)

@Roof_Pizza 2 года назад

@@WhatEver-dx3eu Give class D 20-40 years of not being crap and we'll talk. Why would I want class D anyways? It's not like carburetion to furl injection. Yamaha, for one, still doesn't touch it for their consumer goods only the noisy professional stuff.

@WhatEver-dx3eu 2 года назад

@@Roof_Pizza Have you heard NAD M33 or even C298; Lyngdorf 3400; Bel Canto C5i and more? No? Keep riding that dogma, mate; if you have, keep an open mind.

@hotareanupaul85 2 года назад

Hi, The best example here is maybe under the same group and same roof: Marantz made Model 30 a class D, by contrast Denon kept all their PMA models class AB. As far as i understood after reading an online interview, the Denon engineer still considers class AB superior to class D. Even more than that, even without knowing prices, i have a hunch class AB components are more expensive than class D parts. Why would you lose money making an AB when you could make more making a D? There’s a reason i am inclined to believe: AB still sounds better!

@truthful3777 Год назад

NAD is pure mediocre cheaply made amplifier...

@masterofrevolt106 Год назад

I had a NAD and it sounded great. Some parts are not made to last though. In 25 years that Denon will still be going strong.

@ebarbie5016 3 года назад

These subjective comparisons are meaningless. If you want to compare two amplifiers' sound quality, you need the Audio Precision analyzer and start doing measurements instead of using stupid metaphoric descriptions...

@therealshanelee 3 года назад

Measurements alone are stupid. How about try listening for a change.

@GameSack 3 года назад

This is a comparison, Product A vs Product B. It's nice to know how they feel about the sound quality when comparing the two. Specs on a sheet of paper only tell some of the story. If you need an analyzer from Audio Precision (specifically, I guess) to tell the difference, then your ears won't notice anyway.

@kman9387 3 года назад

@@therealshanelee I agree, since audio is extremely subjective for all. Most may not like the sound of a perfect sound system that has been measured vs something that sounds good to your ears 👍😁

@ebarbie5016 3 года назад

@@therealshanelee Listening is actually stupid. Human ears are the worst instrument you could find because of many psychological and psychoacoustic factors. You need a true double blind test, which you must repeat at least 10 times to be able to make a decision which gear sound best. If it measure well, it should sound well. I suggest you do some reading at ASR forum, you could learn something, before making meaningless comments about "open", "dry", "warm" sound, which are purely subjective and non scientific. Start by reading a professional review of the M33: www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/nad-m33-streaming-amplifier-review.17302/ And here is one for the Denon: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IVbbuV8xQBg.html

@therealshanelee 3 года назад

@@ebarbie5016 can't tell if you're just trolling or just dense. Like I said, try actually listening to what your about to purchase. You might learn how good your hearing is rather than how good you number comprehension is.

@ianorigbo7617 3 года назад

First

@navdeepsinghjagga 3 года назад

@SHANE let me tag @GENEDELLASALA from Audioholics to this video. LOL he ll be able to explain it in a better way how the M33 is just a kid infront of the DENON. He loves this amp and personally i love it too. Is everything OK between you and DENON? LOL... Love your channel....love all the videos.. except this one 😜

@therealshanelee 3 года назад

Tag who you want. I have both on hand and two ears.

@navdeepsinghjagga 3 года назад

@@therealshanelee well, that was a joke of tagging GENE to this video as neither he is a cop and nor you are a thief but I guess you are not in the mood. m sorry if u had a bad day. you have both in hand and your both ears to test them, But trust me, in addition to that I have eyes too. take a look inside the DENON and then inside the M33. You are trying to compare a 9.7 KGS of empty box to a 25 KGS of a beast. I don't want to go in details now. and i guess this concludes our conversation. you have a great day.

@therealshanelee 3 года назад

@@navdeepsinghjagga we mentioned that as well. Just because it's bigger and heavier doesn't automatically make it better sounding. We hear with our ears and not our eyes.

@cameronkrause4712 Год назад

@@navdeepsinghjagga look at the sad source these guys were putting in front of these amps. The comparison would have had more validity if they had just picked a really good cd player rather than a cheap streaming device. The Denon is for people who know how to set up an amplifier and speakers. The NAD is perfect for people who have to let their amplifier pick the positioning of their components.

@anmic3590 17 дней назад

Hi! Will you recommend the pma110 for the Focal Aria 948? Right now I drive them with a preamp/power amp combo from the 90s, Pioneer c73/m73, the Urushi series. And I cannot demo the denon. I also have the a110 cd player. It is stunning! Thank you!

@musiconvinylisbetter.1449 3 года назад

How can an amplifier make the soundstage wider?

@connorduke4619 Год назад

The preamp section tends to have a huge influence on soundstage size, for whatever reason. That's why tube preamps are so popular.

@martyn_g Месяц назад

Caution: if you’re speakers are bright sounding or your room is, don’t buy the A110. I barely lasted two songs before I had to turn it off. Pair that amp with something like Dynaudio.

@istvanmanyik6499 2 года назад

Shane Lee, i like your review's, i know my speaker's that's why I saw your review about Martin Logan Motion 40i! Thank you for that! But this two amps, not the same category, i mean the price is too much different $1400, that a lot of money, and Denon A/B integrated Amplifier, the Nad is G class! Sorry, but this is little bit weird to me.

@robertjohansson6019 Месяц назад

This comparison between so different amps is not representative for what kind of buyer they seek. They are so different

@keepingupwiththejones2933 3 года назад

Two guys hanging out listening to music. It is a great way to spend a couple hours.

@craigosterberg5045 3 года назад

Thanks for the video review

@timschutte3961 9 месяцев назад

Come on NAD is way to boring and flat so more detailed but give me the Denon any day....

@jctai100 3 года назад

Shane, the PC is a TERRIBLE digital source for high end amps. The single most noisiest electronics gear in your house. At least spend 200 bucks for a linux pi streamer.