It's strange, I've heard the opposite. I've always heard that Denon is brighter, clearer and as such a bit more fatiguing compared to Marantz's more warm and musical sound signature, as close to tubes with getting tubes.
I bought the Marantz 2220B the year it was introduced. I have owned a number of different amps and receivers. You said Denon and Marantz share components. I find that difficult to believe.
I went through many AV receivers in the past few months from: Denon, pioneer back to Denon to the Marantz 6013, which I took back for one problem but they stopped selling it so I went with the Denon 6500h. It's just driving my wife crazy! Although I really like the Denon avr x-6500h; I think this too will be going back; just doesn't have the music sound quality that I seen the Marantz had. Although I'm more or a movie buff, I really loved the music quality of the Marantz and feel the SR8012 will give me the best of both worlds since they are extremely similar on all fronts, I strongly feel it will also give me that music quality that I'm looking for while not sacrificing my movie sound that my Denon AVR -X6500H is currently giving me.
Absolutely true! ... Once you are able to compare music using Denon and Marantz, you will suddenly realize the differences. Denon is tilted toward movies and does a decent job with music, but Marantz is tuned for accurate warm music reproduction (by way of hardware differences, ie. HDAMs, and other components) but also does equally well with movies. (Even better once you begin to appreciate accuracy). Be careful with reviews. People who don't hear the differences either don't have revealing enough speakers, don't use quality sources, don't know how to set it up properly, or simply haven't learned to 'hear' yet.
I have the Marantz SR7015 because of you. I am a Marantz fan boy, my Dad had a Marantz back in the 70's and it was real good. I like the warth. Thanks Kpace
Hey Kpaceguy, Just got the Denon DRA-800H AV Receiver. I'm using it as the centerpiece of my Basement Studio - created during the Stay At Home COVID pandemic. I have not compared a comparable Marrantz , but did compare it to a Yamaha RN303..... The Denon gives so much more. Would have been nice to compare it to the Yamaha RN 602(?) , but it is out of stock. I have the Denon connected to various stereo components and 2 pairs of Bookshelf speakers: 1 pair of Fluance Signature Reference series and 1 pair of Elac Debut 6.2 . The Denon DOES deliver musical, Clear sound. Just enough subtle adjustments seem just right. The Denon has a Phono preamp, and lots of HDMI connections, as well as a digital cable inputs. I have my Tascam CD recorder unit connected in that manner [digital out toslink cable to Denon's digital inpout]; there IS a difference in the sound from the Tascam CD player compared to the RCA CD input connection. One comment about HEOS .... Man, this is not user friendly. I do not have the Denon connected to a monitor or TV, so following the setup prompts on the Receiver's Screen with the remote control is Challenging. You need to download the full operations manual (Denon / Marrantz saves paper that way ). It is multi- functional , in that, with Network Radio and BT offers ability to listen to Music Streaming services via Airplay , Amazon's Alexa , or via your smartphone with BT. It did recognize my home Wifi quickly and hassle free. I am very happy with Clear Crisp sound that is delivered - it's not over seasoned with too much bass or treble. Of course, the sound delivered by any Receiver is 75 to 80% reliant on your Speakers.... I'm enjoying this Denon Receiver and would highly recommend it.
I chose a Marantz SR4300 over Denon over a decade ago because the Marantz better suited my overall needs. The Denon sounded better in AV mode but the Marantz was way better for music. I remember the guy demoing the amps got annoyed when I took out a small stack of CDs to test the systems music playing abilities before the surround sound capabilities. I knew that the amp would be primarily used for music and TV viewing. At the time stereo sound was in its infancy for TV broadcast let alone surround sound which is the norm nowadays.
Same parent company so it's no surprise that the hardware is so similar. I bought marantz because I liked the sound slightly more and the slimline unit fit my room better. Denon had more power but mmm I loved the music on marantz.
Have had Yamaha & Pioneer for the last 15 years pushing Definitive Technology Super Towers BP7001, BP7002 & BP7006 along with DT Centers & Surrounds / Sandy Gross era all through the house. Picked up the Marantz SR7013 and was blown away with Movies / PS5 & Music 🎶 I'll be with Marantz here on out.
Marantz sounds better for sure. There are more expensive parts in them that make their sound quality much better for people that are picky about sound. Very warm but powerful sound.
I got my first AVR 3 months ago. I went for the Marantz 1609 slimline silver model because it was small and because I wanted to partner it with the Wharfdale DX 2 5.1 speaker package in white. I used a two-channel 45W Arcam amp previously and was completely satisfied with the fast agile sound and stereo imaging. The Marantz is superb for movie decoding but for music, it is complete crap. There is no stereo imaging when in stereo mode and the sound feels muffled with a lack of highs and unexciting LFE bass. The multi-channel mode is what sounds ok for music but even then with all speakers playing it's not the same as a stereo amp. I ended up overdriving 2 speakers in the stereo mode because they sounded dull and lifeless and now need to get them repaired. The Marantz is 90W a channel at 4 ohms and the Wharfdale speakers are rated at 25-100W at 4 ohms so how did I end up overdriving them? pissed off $$$. Also, does anyone get a second of skipped sound every so often from Marantz or any AVR?
I think the sound of either brand depends on what speaker and connectors you hook them up with. A warmer or more aggressive amplifier/receiver should go with a smoother set of speakers. On the other hand a smoother amplifier should benefit of a warmer set of speakers with deeper bass to balance the sound.
I just bought a Denon x3800h and a Marantz Cinema 60. Although the Denon had a few more features the Marantz sounds so much better for music and movies too. Years better in my opinion. I regret not getting a Marantz before.
I have both the Marantz SR8015 and the Denon AVR X8500HA. The Denon can hit better on home theater (movies), but the Marantz is such a musical receiver enhances the home theater experience. The 8500HA is an amazing receiver if you know how to how to tweak it for home theater. The bottom line I like both because they offer the home theater fans a lot in terms of performance for movies & music. So, either one would be great choice for home theater applications.
I just got two Marantz rcvrs. I used to have one back in the day but ended up with Pioneer receivers. One of the Marantz is the same as my old school 14 year old model that I let go so now I have that model back. It's a beast and sounds great. I could not resist the deal of $100. I also purchased a new model. It's going to be fun to compare the Pioneer Elite model to an old and new Marantz. Out of the box with no calibration I like the Marantz already. But the Pioneer has served me well but it needs calibration to sound good. I would even say that it sounds awful with it turned off. You mentioned classical music. I was forced to listen to and learn that type of music as a kid. I am starting to get back into it. It can push a stereo system for sure because the the wider dynamic range. I also listen to jazz, r&b, dance music, caribbean music, latin music and rock.
I do agree about what you say on minute 3:58. I do want also an AVR that could be able to do music and movies with the same quality. In my case with my Denon AVR 1611 is not the case. This Denon do better for movies than music. Also in music does it better depending on the source. For example, you may expect better sound from CDs that RU-vid content, but RU-vid sounds better.
It is all personal preference. If a sample of people were to go and have their ears tested, one would find that each person would have different sensitivities to different frequencies. As such, they may tweak their stereo systems to their own personal tastes based on the frequencies that bring more pleasure their ears. I would think anyone investing the kind of money in these higher end systems would be taking the time to tweak things to their own tastes, regardless of the "out of box" sound they get. There is, however, something to tuning to a more neutral (flat) sound as a baseline with which to start. To me the more important question, which is the better value? When comparing the Marantz SR6015 to the Denon AVR-X3015H, I see the 3015 being a better overall value, since there is a significant price difference but not what I would call a significant feature difference. I do like the look of the Marantz, as it has a less traditional receiver look, whereas the Denon looks pretty much like any other receiver; however, I am not certain that is enough distinction to justify $500 more in price.
well done! i have dali concept 6 floor speakers with 10 years old denon pma 700ae amp.(2x50 at 8Ω only) i have and meridian explorer 2 dac right out from my pc. i want to buy new amp and im between from Marantz NR1200 and Denon DRA-800H..for music stereo use and maybe with subwoofer at near future.. any sugestions???
I have to decide the same and I`m almost sure that I`ll go for the Marantz, mainly because of the Pre-Amp-Outputs and the warmer/darker sound it should have after some reviews I`ve read. With those Pre-Outs it`s possible to upgrade the system later with a power amp like the Parasound Zonemaster 2350.
This is like comparing Chevy to Ford. The great thing is, both differ enough to offer what different tastes prefer. I prefer the Marantz for music, but a couple of friends have the Denons. And those Denons sound great for how they crank rock-n-roll in your face. But on my Marantz, I don't get the fatigue from listening to any kind of music, regardless of hard rock, jazz, country etc., no matter how long the listening intervals are.
I see it as Marantz has more connectivity options which is why I went with them. Hayen't owned a Denon but when I researched my receiver that was what made me decide Marantz.
I have never had an av amp, only stereo integrated amps and i've had Denon's for more than 20years, love them and wouldn't hesitate going with Denon again in the future.
I realize this is a direct comparison BUT why not just buy a Parasound product. Dollar for dollar the easiest to obtain and enjoy the most. I’m more interested in the music aspect of this discussion but if I needed home theater help I’d still take the parasound route for the same reasons. When you pay a little more for the Parasound you will have something of value that others are seeking. Build quality style and design are all superior and really it’s just not that much of an expense particularly for those who seek a higher end sound and product. You will never be stuck with an expensive door stop. Just for the record the vintage Marantz is an excellent product that I enjoy greatly but that’s not part of this discussion.
I have the marantz 7005 per amp tuner and the marantz 7055- 5 channel power amp.I choose marantz because I also have a marantz 70s system that I've used for quite some time. The quality of marantz is second to none. It's just the best.
The peformance you get for your money from a Denon is great.I read the Comments here and miss something .The most people here have bigger Amps .I had a Denon avr 1911 for the last 10 yeras!! Now i upgraded to a Denon avr x2400h .The 2400 is really great avr i must say it is from 2017 series i baught it new for 327 Euro.For that money i have a great 7.2 avr wich performs very well.My best Friend has a Marantz 7012 this thing is superb i must say it has 9 channels and so on but is it sounding better ?I dont know?It sounds different.I think it is more a question of taste.I dont want to say it sounds bad it sounds very good......but different as the Denon.For me who has not always the most money the Denon is a absolute great value for the money.Same goes for my speakers Jamo S 628 HCS 5.0 great performance fore the money and fits perfekt with the avr. Same goes for the Projector Epson 4040 not the newest and greatest but baught it for 1445 and it makes a great big Picture it is a 2016 modell baught it new cheap.Bang for your bug .
I was considering Marantz for those same reasons. Still not decided on Class of amp tho. But I'm definitely looking at something slim to create a soundbar substitute in a small apartment. Nothing fancy.
My denon x4200w still sounds good to me. But I will get a marantz next time i upgrade to a pre pro since I have external amps and prefer the sound over avrs
Im using marantz sr6012 avr. I wanted a 9 or 11ch avr with audessey xt32 and at the time the sr6012 was the cheapest option. I hope to be able to keep it until I'm ready to go separates :D also reason i got it was because both music and movies are very important to me and i wanted a balanced system. It's true what you say though the marantz is kinda reserved on the bass and it takes some tweaking.
Still using the first and only receiver I've ever bought, a yamaha. I was a newbie and didn't recognise or trust any of these other brands except yamaha.. Next receiver will probably be a denon
Kpaceguy. I think you nailed it. Marantz receivers use a specially developed circuit in their preamp section called HDAM (Hyper Dynamic Amplifier Module). According to them, they outperform standard preamp circuits and give their receivers a more musical, pure and dynamic sound. While they are now both under the same ownership, Denon receivers do not feature this circuitry. I also think you're right about the target audiences- Denon receivers have had more home theatre support in the past through features and upgrades over Marantz. I also agree with some of the comments added to the video- the Anthem receivers do sound better to me after calibration and room equalization. While I appreciate the concept of sonic purity- speaker response, subwoofer integration and room interactions almost guarantee that the average user will probably need to use some sort of room equalization.
Thank you for your shared thoughts. What do you think, is Marantz SR7013 a good buy? I am using Klipsh speakers, R-28F, R-25C, R-51M. And for Dolby Atmos I use a pair of SVS Prime Elevation speakers.
Marantz for me, Went from a denon 2113 to a X3300W (wich gave clicking noise so that was a dissapointment) to a marantz SR6011. And the build quality of the marantz is better i.m.o And so was the sound, even my girlfriend heard noticable difference and liked it more over the denon. Not to forget the way marantz beats denon on the looks! Great video btw.
Very good insight. I wonder is there much difference between a Denon and a Marantz when it comes to mini hi-fi systems? I own a Denon ceol and i'm told sound quality is the same as the Marantz counterpart, the MCR-612.
So many people are confused about what "warm" actually means. Its basically a roll off at the highs en the low end. Sometimes even a slight bump around the 200hz range. Marantz are mostly warm sounding as do Denon's but less pronounced. If you want flat and accurate go for yamaha or pioneer. Or a decent poweramp. Hifi is almost never truly flat to begin with. Thats where monitor or reference equipment comes in 😉
@@Kpaceguy Producers and musicians do 😉 And there are actually plenty of audiophiles who do want the most accurate sound meaning absolutely flat 🤷♂ I myself are more of smiley face kind of person. The exact opposite of warm😅
@@Kpaceguy Well "real" is kind of subjective here. If you're talking about accurate sound than you should aim for flat. Monitor or reference speakers are made to represent the most accurate true to life (some might call it real) sound. And they have a extremely flat response. Most hifi systems are made to sound pleasing and not necessarily "real" . Anything that colors the sound is artificial 🤷♂ Than again there are so many things in music that influence the sound of a final recording. Audiophiles spend thousands of dollars on cables while the artist might have used a basic mic cable to record it. And don't get me started on compressors and processing. So a recording is hardly ever true to life 🤷♂ In electronic music its even worse 😅
@@FullFledged2010 if I push a key on a properly tuned piano, that's the sound I want in my house. Or if i pluck a string on a harp I want my system to replicate it the best it can. However I get that result I don't care.
I thought that I responded to this ... Maybe I didn't so here goes. I saw a vid with some Sound United engineers discussing the difference. These guys should know since they now build both. When it comes to the video section of the rcvrs, they use the same parts and engineering. However for the audio sections, different teams build and design the audio sections. The Denon team goes for the Denon sound which is bright and detailed. The Marantz team goes for the traditional Marantz sound which is warm and musical. This is good news for fans of both brands. The engineers stated that on the mid and high end models Marantz gets pricier parts. That explains why they cost more. I have always considered Marantz to be one of the best rcvr brands for those looking to use their rcvr for both music and movies.
given my track history of unreliable Denon AV receivers... I'm switching to Marantz and hope that they are not too closely related in that regard. By the way... you didn't end the discussion at all. I now have my Marantz SR8012 which runs pretty cool with 5.1 channels, It's a monster for movies and a gymnast for music. It has a significantly better sound presentation than any Denon AVR I've owned including the 7200WA. The Marantz is an impresive Hi-Fi AVR, the Denon isn't.
Marantz is way different in sound way more relaxed, and it is precise and detailed but also boring sounding. And Denon comes way more alive and has better clearity and the low is way better too.
Is the marantz melody X 612 really worth $300 more than the Denon n10?If anyone knows, I’d appreciate your feedback.Thank you for your thoughts on these two brands.
The best receivers are YAMAHA. ...is brand with many years of technology ..remember is brand who put the DSP in receivers. DENON is brand who make receiver for MOVIES....MARANTZ is brand who make receivers first for MUSIC and second for MOVIES (MY OPINION).Marantz is hi end receivers also ..only the SR...thats why the dont have a large display..electricity going to speakers...and not to diplays , led ..But today you dont understand the differents with your ears...you need pro device. My device is DENON AVC-X3700H because im movie fan...before MARANTZ SR 5007.
It doesn't pay to dogmatically generalise like that. My 8500 Denon sounds absolutely fantastic for music as well as movies. Its got up speced componentry compared to the lower model Denon's.
MARANTZ OWNER LISTEN UP! I have been looking at buying a 1711 mainly because it's small, but also everything that the Kspaceguy says is what I look for in an amplifier and monitor speakers. However I have read a few reviews on Amazon saying that it is very slow and clunky to operate and has to be rebooted regularly etc. Have other Marantz owners had these problems as I find them off-putting?
Now there is the Marantz SR5014....which one? The SR5013 or the SR5014? There is quite a price difference between the two. Not sure which one to get? Would appreciatie your advice! Is the front panel of the SR5013 made of aluminium?
It's a mixture of brushed metal and hard plastic. There's not much difference between the two but nonetheless the 14 is the newer model. And that's the one I'd go for
@@NiekkieNick They probably threw in HLG (hybrid log gamma) or support for something minor the previous model didn't have. Alexa support or something. I haven't really compared the 2.It's just future proofing really. So that you don't have to upgrade so soon in the future
Great fantastic videos you put a I have the Denon X2400H Great Sound I have it with the Polk Audio Tower speakers and also Klipsch Tower speakers F 200 they sound excellent together with a Klipsch subwoofer 10 inch really sound excellent
Also have Polk Audio Center Channel and it runs great at first I was complicated with how it works bought in November of 2018 happy with it do not use Zone 2 on the Denon amplifier other than that it is a great awesome machine enjoy it I would highly recommend it to buy at Visions Electronics have a good day
I would say my stereo sounds slightly better for me with music I use TuneIn and RU-vid and CD and it sounds great with music it sounds very good on movies as well but I would say music is the best on the Denon surround system amplifier thank you have a great day
Great job....thank you...I will like and will subscribe as well. Whats your take on the Marantz sr 6013? I have a set of Polk audio Rti A9's and looking for a good amp for them. I also have a old school Pioneer sx1980 what should I do??? Please & thank you.
Have you heard any Onkyo AVR? i have a basic/entry level Denon AVR and upgraded to a mid level onkyo and yeeesh! i just hated the sound of onkyo, it's too bright/cold and thin for my DALI speaker. I prefer the sound of my denon for it's warmer sound even if its just an entry level, the only thing i'm using the onkyo is when i watch movies because of the atmos feature that didn't have in my Denon. I already tried dialing its equalizer and other balancing feature and it just didn't work, it's kinda lacking some frequencies in the base notes given that i already turned up the bass it's just different. I want to buy marantz sr5013 but a bit scared i might have the same issue as same with Onkyo. or I'll just buy i higher end Denon
I haven't heard an onkyo since mine blew up in like 2010 lol. But for you I'd say go for a higher end denon. You'll get that wow factor you're looking for
HELP KPACEGUY! The signal coming into my Marantz SR7011 receiver shows sound as multi in + neural x and the signal as pcm, when I hit the info button on my remote. My source content is coming from amazon prime and youtube using an nvidia shield tv. I'm try to playback the content in Dolby Atmos. My tv is an Lg c8 oled connected to the Marantz via an hdmi cable.
i dont know if to go for the marantz NR1200 or denon DRA800H be fo my dali spektor 2 speakers in my small room which give me better clarity in voice for movies and online streaming like youtube, twitch tv? not sure which be better for this and still give em enjoyable music
I just bought pioneer elite speakers, all 5.2 of them. I use a demon x2600h for sound now. I was wondering if there would be a significance difference from the x2600h to the sr6014.
Appreciate the video! Curious to know your thoughts on adding a tube pre amp (pro-ject tube box s2) for my turntable hooked up to either the Denon x4700h or Marantz sr7015. Would the Denon get a more “warm/musical” tone?
Hi. Excellent review, you got a new suscriber. So, I am in my late 20s and fed up with the streaming apps. I'd like to give it a try with vinyls, etc. I want to set up a beginner's audiophile scene at home. Would you kindly give me your thoughts and honest opinion about the following 3 components I want to start with: Audio-Technica AT LP120xBT USB turntable + Marantz PM5005 Integrated Amplifier (2014 model and not with a good bass end as per some reviews I read/watched) + Polk T50 floor standing tower speakers. Note that I want this set-up for audio only as I own a Klipsch-Reference 48+ soundbar with wireless subwoofer and satellite speakers for movies. I would really appreciate your kind advise.
Welcome to the crew my friend. I like all the pieces you mentioned and are very nicely paired together. Budget seems to be a big thing. If you can, I'd swap put the t50 floor standers to jamo s807 or s809. Keep the cost down but will give you a nice jump in audio performance
A chip. Marantz puts a chip in their system that isn't used in the other manufacturers don't. Yamaha does something weird with the bass that I absolutely hated. Marantz has a flatter sound than any of the big 3 manufacturers. That being Yamaha denon and pioneer. I just like the sound that much more enough to go back to the marantz after years of listening to everyone else
Hey kspace what are your thoughts on multeq xt32? I have a Marantz sr6014 and have tried running it multiple times. I find no mater what I do, it makes a mess of voice clarity. So I end up disabling it completely and enjoy it more for movies and music. Obviously I use the distances and levels that it calculates as a baseline. Sometimes, watching a movie late at night I'll use it for dynamic volume and eq just so the loud bits don't wake the kids.
@@Kpaceguy I think as I get older my ears must appreciate a pretty flat eq. You didn't have the voice issue at all? Aside from the voices, it does sound good.
I have the Onkyo TX-NR676 AV receiver and no matter what I do I can't seem to get it to where my music sounds rich and full I've tried everything would you recommend the Denon or the Marantz for under $1,000.00? Thanks
@@Kpaceguy I have Klipsch RF-82 towers with a Klipsch SW-115 subwoofer and Klipsch RS-42 surround sound speakers. I have run the room correction software many times and tweaked it and I think it might be my room configuration too but for what I have for my home theater system it should sound better.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to be harsh. You repeated over and over how you like the sound of the Marantz over the Dennon. Ok we got that. One of the new features of these awesome pieces of equipment is the user interface over WiFi or Bluetooth, the fact that they now are capable of passing 8k 60, or 4K 120 using HDMI 2.1, they have support for Apple Air Play. I guess what I’m saying is; how do you like/dislike the experience of all the features and controls, ie. What’s it like to live with? Or is the Yamaha any better?
Marantz and denon are same in terms of everyday living since they are made by the same company. I like Marantz more than yamaha and denon overall. I like yamahas sound over denon. I like Marantz and denon Calibration over yamaha. Basically what I'm saying is its the small things that separate a brand from another. Everything is industry standard nowadays. It's about what SOUNDS better
@@Kpaceguy wow, that was fast! I didn’t expect a response so soon. But i appreciate your thoughts. I have an older (2012) Sony 5200 ES, and it doesn’t do 4K. So i am wanting to upgrade to a new AVR. my choices thus far are the Yamaha RX-A4A, the Dennon AVR-X3700H or the Marantz 6015, so I’ve been listening to everyone’s videos to see which is the best product for the money. Most of these are currently sold out or so new that they aren’t out yet, but I’m not in a huge hurry either…..Thx
It's Marantz yamaha denon in that order for me. I've had all 3 at one point while having yamaha 3 times and Marantz twice. Just couldn't stop missing the Marantz sound
Ángel Pérez I have the Denon x3600h and use Def tech sm65’s great reciever music sounds great as well as does theater for movies ect 9 channels powered with 11 channel processing what a great buy
I’ve had both. The Denon’s sound seems more tuned for movies and television. The sound is more forward and aggressive. The Marantz is more tuned for music, with a warmer more midrange focused sound signature. I personally prefer Marantz since it’s a better all around receiver, with great audio for music, movies, television and gaming.
Just subscribe to your channel bro ask for advise please between the maranz nr 1200 and denon dra 800h which is better in sound quality!? Thanks a lot and more power
Pretty similar in performance. Almost identical. Marantz specializes in music while denon does a tad better with movies. If you want power you need an external amplifer
scarecrow66ab it would not beat my denon avr3803 in 2 channel with my 2 Burr Brown 1791 per channel old school amplifier. It was reviewed by everybody as exceptional. But it was an other generation, amplifier was really high end quality, not like today made in China for most of it. This why i keep my avr3803 even today after 18years. I simply added an hdmi 2 splitter with toslink extractor and sound is still better with less noise and better musicality than the new amplifier. You should hear it. I bought it 2000$ and now is on ebay at 200$ but every review would tell you it is really exceptional in cinema dd dts and extremely good in hifi, which is mostly not the case today. And today the amplifier overheat.and hdmi generate lot of noise
There really isn't other than the color of the sound. Features will be the same but marantz, I say, would be an all around performer vs denon being warmer which favors movies
I disagree. I have an old denon avr3803 and it is very musical and i am audiophile. I have high end Mission speaker 7.1. I listened dvd audio on it and dts es and dolby digital with toslink and music with 2 channel with audio analogue output, and the sound is incredible. The old denon had better quality dac. 3803 has 16 Burr Brow 1791!!! 2 Burr Brown per channel. I don’t think any Marantz today even an 8012 would beat my denon in music and cinema in dolby digital dts mode and it has dolby prologic and dts 24/96 that are reslly missing pn new amplifier. The new dolby surround that replace it is not as good apparently from reviewer, ( sound on the central speaker). Of course there is new codec now with dts hd and imax enhanced and dolby atmos dtx x, auro 3d. But in terms or musicality, i think my amplifier would be superior. Also it does not heat very much. You can put your hand on the amplifier without discomfort. And it is real 7 x 110 watt 0.05% DHT on 2 channel
Burr Brown isn’t a 100% good thing. Some 10 years ago I built a headphone amplifier and I needed an operational amplifier in that circuit. It’s a small chip with 8 legs. I bought several different chips to evaluate the difference. I was really shocked how dull, unarticulated and overly warm the sound came from praised Burr Brown OPA2134PA ($4.50) and how even and precise it was when I switched to cheap Texas Instruments NE5532P ($0.15)! Maybe for some vocal jazz BB would be OK, but for symphonic music - no, thank you.
GO 74 you can find all the review of my avr3803 and everybody praise the quality in cinema AND Hifi of the this amplifier receiver. And the Burr Brown 1791 was the best. Everybody that listen my system was amazed by the quality in both cinema and music with dvd audio, combined with Mission speaker (back classical music). The Burr Brown was very expensive not 4.50$ and there were 16 inside it 2 per channel. None of the current amplifier including 8012 marantz and denon 8500 can compete with it in HIFI. the Avr3803 and Avr5803 were monster and only receiver usable in Hifi. It was another time, of quality component and made in japan. I will never sell my amplifier that also has 7.1 input and output. I will simply buy a denon avr4700h processor (with hdmi 2.1 and all format) and continue to use my amp as amplifier 7.1 and via toslink and audio analogic for music. The new amplifier lose the centerspread feature removed by Dolby. So there is no good 7.1 upmixer mode from 2.1 to 7.1 except by going with auro 3d but with more complex speaker system requiring to change the speaker config.
If you want to listen to music get a £300 stereo amp with a receiver input will be better than receivers costing thousands. Difference between marantz and denon, maranrz is tuned by ear dennon isn't
Hi, I own the Marantz SR-8012 and the Denon X-8500h. I think the difference between the two is the Marantz is more refined, and the Denon is more forward. Currently, I'm using the 8012 which is driving a Klipsch speaker surround system. They are: RF-7 series iii, and the matching center channel, plus the surrounds, and the two Paradigm Sevo 15" subs. It sounds incredible! In the other system I'm using the Denon X-8500h, and that's driving a B & W 700 series speaker package. also, the two subs are JL Audio e110. It sounds amazing on home theater & music as well. I think the question between the two units is what speaker package is one going to match it with. Marantz's slogan is: Because Music Matters!
That's not true. Both divisions of the company at the Japan factory have "sound masters" whose job it is to judge the sound The two of them deliberately judge to different standards for each brand.
@@markrigg6623 I retract that statement about £300 stereo amp its more like £500 plus. However, Denon receivers suck for music its simple as that it will never perform better than a proper stereo amp sound masters or not.
@@SolarisUK No I didn't say it would perform better but its much better than the other models. I've got a yamaha separate power amp thats class A that I run off the pre outs and really I can't tell the difference when running the built in amp 2 channel. I used to work as an audio tech and I can see what Denon have used to build the thing. It sounds better than my Yamaha receivers that I still have that's for sure. I agree lower models in the Denon range are not ideal as stereo amps. But the 8500 is in a class of its own. It does everything plenty good enough for my ears.
I wonder how much these two really are under the skin. I would be willing to bet that share a significant amount of parts in corresponding models. Marantz seems to be priced higher for the same feature set as Denon models....but I think its just marketing
@@Kpaceguy I understand that there are slight differences...but I wonder if one could detect which was which in a double blind test I own both currecnt...A Denon X7200 and a Marantz 8802( runs my main theater) ..Minus the separate amp power that I have...Monolith 7X that the Denon 7200 cant match with its internals. I wonder if I could tell any difference in a double blind test . There is definitely an extreme similarity to the way they sound. I assume because of the same room correction system
@@Kpaceguy I dont know. I would say that due to economies of scale it behooves them to make as many products as they can with the same parts I have seem some parts lists at an authorized service center and the mid range models..Denon X4500 ish level...share a lot of common parts with the Marantz counterpart. I have also heard many say that they could not hear the difference in the 7705 and 8805 Marantz models with Audyseey engaged....at almost half the street price that makes the 7705 a LOT better deal..or the 8805 overpriced, unless you need 13.2
Anthem is overpriced and not built to the standards of the Yamaha processors. So, Yamaha gets my vote. Anthem relys on their ARC EQ to give you good sound. I am very anti-EQ, room treatment is the way to go. When you EQ, you damage the sound in most of the room including just inches from your EQ reference location. Lots of acoustic experts share this sentiment.