i`m glad vince left and alan joined i hated vince`s style of playing too happy happy for me.After alan the sound became heavier and darker which i prefer.
Alan Wilder -just totally amazing !..and nobody can do synth the way he did, still think his pure talent was under appreciated. I loved all his work still listening to him now! 40 years on and still sounds amazing
I could watch this every day just for Alan's part from 1:54 to 3:09. I absolutely looove listening to him speak. Love his soft, husky voice. The way he lowers his voice towards the end of a sentence and this "you know" 😍. Just watch his hands play the keyboard... OMG! It's been 28 years that he left the band but I still miss him beyond words. Someone on here said that this comments section has been hijacked by the Alan Wilder fan club. It may well have... But how can you be a DM fan and not be a member of that fan club? 😉
Nic dodać nic ująć ❤❤Alan Wilder był kręgosłupem zespołu po jego odejściu zespół żył ale co to za życie bez kręgosłupa!!! Był i jest geniuszem muzycznym ♥️♥️
As much as I love Alan I think the magic of Depeche Mode´s music was due to 3 things: Dave is the voice for Martin´s songs that are produced by Alan or Alan with someone´s help.
Martin ist absolutely right about IT. Thank God for synthesizers!!! And Alan îs just fabulous. When I See and Hear Alan's music, I just melt away. Words fail to explain the Feeling...
without alan wilder Enjoy the Silence would be a classic song to be sang only on sundays in the church and i think that says a lot about his unic genius, period!
Wish Alan would go back into DM and make a new album together using old synths again and make a top album with them. Sometimes you need to go back to the old stuff to make the magic happen again. Alan great keyboard player and full of great ideas too.
They need him back now more than ever. And I'm a long term fan, but the last few albums need more substance musically. More meat on the bones of the song.
They have all moved on, unfortunately. Alan has played with DM a couple of times, over the years. But he has his own music project, Recoil. Depeche Mode and Martin worked a little with Richard Butler for a couple of songs on their latest album - 'Memento Mori', so who knows what the future holds. ☺
Alan Wilder is the one who played live! That's why he left the band I think. He could play everything. He even played the drums on an album. I think he felt unappreciated at that time. I miss him.
And a whole bunch of guys do the work he did in the studio recording the albums. Still, they can try all they can but they will never make DM sound as special and unique as Alan and his collaborators did (Daniel Miller, Gareth Jones, Flood). But you´re wrong saying he did all the live performing. Martin played keys with one hand and Fletch played keys with one finger. Plus they would smash some metal things. And let´s not forget that since Music For The Masses tour Martin played guitar. Today, he plays guitar on 90% of songs. I wish he didn´t.
@@criskity No, on Ultra they had to hire Tim Simenon as a producer. And Tim had his team. It took more than two people to replace Alan. I like Bomb The Bass, I like Tim, and I think he did a very good job on Ultra. He was what they needed...a guy whohad admired them, knew where they were coming from and had ideas where DM should be going. Must have been tremendous pressure. Tim did well
These last words in this clip by Martin are more than correct: it's just like art and has to interpretated by anyone, everywhere in their own feelings, words and instinctive approach.
I thought Ultra was pretty damn good which gave me hope. I think Exciter is good but not great. After that I think they kind of lost their way. If not rejoin the band, I think Alan should at least produce their album.
+MolotCCCP I wouldn't say he was the core of DM but he definitely was the sound of DM. But I see where you are coming from. DM never was the same again once he left & they also had 1 fan less in myself :)
+MolotCCCP Alan was brilliant,and my personal favorite member in Depeche...mostly everyone loves Gore,and hes a great guitarists and a compelling song writer,but in my opinion Alan was the real brains and gave DM that musical drive :-) we miss you Alan
+avsroy BEST ALBUM from DEPECHE MODE??? from VIOLATOR, MftM, BlackCelebration to SOFAD ALL THIS MAKE BY ALAN WILDER... technically VIOLATOR still better than DELTA MACHINE and which was produced in 1990 and is more complex than DELTA MACHINE, I tell you as a musician and sound technician
Mi amor Alan comenzando la magia con depeche es inigualable e insuperable lo amo por siempre y gracias por tu talento y por todo lo que le aportaste a dm💋💋💋💋💋😍😍😍😍❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Yeah, that statement didn't *age* well. And if we need even more proof of how young he still was (now we can use that word, right?), he just had to flip us all off for no reason while starting the tape. 😂 On second thought, he might still be "young" that way today. 🤔
@@antoniocarter9913 Fletch's synth was always plugged in from the mid-to-late-1980s onward, but I think he only played some of the time (triggered one-off samples and sequences, and played some simple bass parts) and mimed the rest of the time. In the early days, he used to mime with two hands sometimes, apparently playing "chords" on monophonic synths (say what?), which means that he wasn't even plugged in. He was later, though. But his microphone, when he had one, which he usually did, was never plugged in. First of all, I have never heard him sing, even when it looks like he is doing it, and this was confirmed when I watched an interview with the technical director (or whatever his job was called) for Depeche Mode during one of their last tours that Fletch was on. He didn't actually say that Fletch's mike wasn't plugged in, but he did show the three effects boxes (mostly for reverb) for Dave's, Martin's, and Peter Gordeno's vocals. Only three, huh? What about Fletch? There was no fourth effects processor to plug his mike into! 😄 If that isn't telling, then I don't know what is.
anyone else notice at 0:30 that Dave seemingly intentionally presses the tape recorder button with his middle finger and then turns his hand so it looks like he's flipping the bird? Looks like he's smirking afterwards a bit too lmao.
Hubo un antes y un después de la marcha de alan wilder del grupo. Musicalmente ha bajado mucho de nivel. Alan era el mejor musico y teclista de dm Para mi gusto some great reward de 1984 el mjor álbum del grupo
I can´t stand Fletch bad-mouthing Alan. Saying Alan wanted to add as many gigs as possible to the Devotional tour coz he wanted to milk the band. Fletch was not in the fucking studio when the best records were made and he defames the man who spent 14 hours a day in the studio, then programmed an upcoming tour, did some changes to some songs from time to time and at the end of the day he is paid the same money as Fletch who has never contributed musically. So, he says he takes care of business. He might have been the band co-manager at the start. I would say that Daniel Miller was the man. After Daniel came Jonathan Kessler at the end of the 80´s.
He's also accepted as the "mediator" in the band and I guess ultimately he chose favouritism and prioritising original members over giving Alan credit when it was due for taking the band to a whole new level musically. It would be easy to blame the egos of Gore and Gahan but from what I gather Gore wasn't hugely interested in production or all that imposing when Wilder was in the band, and Gahan seemed to only take an interest in songwriting duties after Exciter...
@D.Smiddy_Prod I don´t think so. At every job people want three things. Feel good about the job, make money they think they deserve but most importantly they need to feel appreciated. Martin cannot do that. Dave has said it numerous times.
Cool 😎 3:09 Martin Gore doing coke on camera! 😎 too is studio drum track running on a reel 2 reel tape machine, a couple of Roland Jupiter 8 synthesisers and a mono Moog sauce for bass.
1:12, 2:59 Well, musicians of today: That's real work. NO computer, NO sequencer, NO prefabricated digital shit. THIS is how you should make music, not otherwise.
NO SEQUENCER ? DM always used a lot of sequencers in studio and they have pre-recorded bases on stage (and i'm also sure that sometimes EVERYTHING was pre-recorded, except the voice ...) Actually, using sequencers on stage is MUCH more fair and "Honest" that having a tape with pre-recorded bases !!! Kraftwerk, Yellow Magic Orchestra, Jean-Michel Jarre, Tangerine Dream : they all used LIVE SEQUENCING even in late 70s !!! Nowadays, technology allows You to do much more (if You Want, of course !) : With a Notebook running special SW like Ableton Live, etc You can eve "improvise" (somehow) electronic music, adding or changing sounds in "real time", lengthening or shortening a song, chaining songs DJ style and so on ... You can't do such things if You use "static" and "rigid" pre-recorded bases ... and i think that DM keep using them on stage even now ! Of course they no longer use an analog tape, their bases are certainly digital but the substance doesn't change ... !!! Anyway, Alan Wilder is a good player, of course, he actually was the ONLY ONE who could really play ... 😉
@@MagDiSante You got that right. Just to add to what you said, DM not only used sequencers, but also computers back in the day, namely the BBC Micro running UMI (same as Vince Clarke, and there are some videos of him demonstrating it on RU-vid). On the stage, drum and most bass parts (except for the few bass parts that Fletch played) were recorded and played back on tape, primarily, but as you said, sometimes there was more, and sometimes there was a lot more. Additionally, in some cases samples used on their Emulator/Emax keyboards actually played short sequences and vocal parts, not just individual sounds for individual notes, and yes this was true of Alan's keyboard, as well, not just Martin's and Fletch's (although Fletch had most of those because he could hardly play at all). For the Devotional tour, Alan's keyboard even had at least one long sequence loaded on its internal sequencer! Alan tried to keep as much off the tape as possible, but he's only a human with two hands, so a lot had to go on the tape anyway, and he did whatever he could to simplify things for everyone while playing, even himself. Martin helped by being able to competently play one melody at a time, but that was it, and Fletch could only play the simplest repetitive bass parts or trigger the occasional sequence or effect. With music like theirs, they had no choice but to "cheat" to play as much as possible "live". And some parts, by the way, were unplayable by any human, even Alan, and of course those went on the tape.
@@MagDiSante As for live sequencing versus playing back a recording from tape, I personally don't think there is much of a difference. Yeah, at least some kind of "active" entity (that can "think" in some way) is automatically, robotically playing the notes, so somehow it did does feel a *little* more legit or less cheesy, but that's still not live, as in being performed by humans. I'm OK with this either way, though, because aside from hiring a drummer and several keyboard players to come along on tour, which wouldn't fit the Depeche Mode aesthetic at all, there is no way for them to play everything truly live (these days they have a drummer and one skilled keyboard player to take Alan's place on tour, but obviously that's not nearly enough to eliminate machine playback). Actually, I might change my mind as I'm typing this, because at least sequencers and computers represent how the music was created in the first place (in addition to Alan's playing, and sometimes Martin's, because they did perform some parts during recording). This reminds me of when Erasure came to San Diego (where I was) for their tour supporting their album _The Innocents_ during the 1980s. They were being interviewed by a DJ from the local alternative station 91X, and Vince seemed to take offense when the DJ said "I know you use backing tapes..." (probably thinking of Vince's time with DM), whereupon Vince cut him off and said "No. We don't use a tape. Please." The DJ was confused because he didn't know where all the music that wasn't played live came from, and Vince said "We use sequencers and computers in the studio, and that's how we perform live, but it's not a tape," and then he admitted that the whole show, minus the singing, was also on DAT as a last-resort backup in case too many electronics were to fail, but fortunately that never happened (stuff failed occasionally, but they had other backups and never had to play the DAT). So Erasure used live sequencing in their shows from the start, and obviously Vince agrees with you that it's more legit than playing a tape. Well, maybe you're right, and maybe I agree, too. 🤔 But it's still not truly live. These days, DM use all kinds of hefty specialized equipment to run their shows, like a big computer/control rig (two for redundancy) that runs virtual instrument plugins and Ableton Live, along with external instruments on the rack. Peter Gordeno might have an actual synth or two, in addition to his Roland RD-700/RD-2000 digital stage piano, while Martin and Fletch (RIP) play MIDI controller keyboards (during one tour they all had Access Virus synths, though). That all seems too heavy and involved (and expensive!) to me for the modern era, though. Vince just runs everything himself on a laptop (a Mac running Logic) on the stage now, and that seems to work fine. And if he bothers to play some little parts live with one finger, he's got a small MIDI controller for that (sometimes an itty-bitty one, like an Akai LPK25 on one tour that he liked to show off--always the keyboard virtuoso, that one 🙄😉).
@@rbrtck THANK You for Your nice answers 🙂 it's a pleasure to exchange opinions with someone so competent, really !!! Well, i already wrote everything about my thoughts : I've been a fan of electronic music since my childhood and in my little i also keep trying to compose and to produce ... I have also been studied classico piano for many years so i have an idea of what's the meaning of "really playing" !!! The music i love is 90% based on programming, OK But You should keep it "sincere" on stage as much as possibile, so at least You should use (more ore less) the same kind of equipment that You used on studio ... As i already wrote, KRAFTWERK and Ymo already did it in the 70s ... !!! The 80s was the decade of "pre-recorded tapes" on stage and i don't find it honest ! Nowadays You can really make the show more "dynamic", changing parts, moving filters, effects (and of course, playing some parts), changing the length of tracks, "chaining" them Dj-Style (see the gigs of Daft Punk, Chemical Brothers, the Prodigy, Underworld, Orbital, Royksopp etc ... all they are my favorite !)... Neither Depeche Mode nor Erasure have the slightest desire to try to do something like this: they rely on a static performance : live sequencer or pre-recorded backing tracks, it doesn't matter in this case even if I much prefer the first solution ! Pet Shop Boys offer a much richer and complete Electronic Show IMHO ... I'll tell You more : Depeche Mode's addition of a real drummer seems ridiculous to me, as does the fact that Martin spends almost all his time with that guitar he can barely play with three fingers: do they want to sound like a rock band? Come on, who are they kidding?
I don’t know exactly what synthesisers Alan used, but I bet he was a pioneer of the ARP synthesiser, which was also pioneered and used on the classic jazz-funk piece of music Summer Madness by Kool and the Gang : have you listened to that, Al? I bet you have!! 😊
