Especially if it has both that and a subreddit with a few thousand members has been tried in a country and has sympathies from centrists and well known politicians
@@timisontube depth... Of the iceberg. The further down, the further from reality you travel. We're 2D conceptions moving in a 3D world. Left, right, auth, and lib lose all meaning
It is a little known fact that the passengers of the Titanic were centrists. The captain couldn’t decide whether to swerve and avoid the iceberg or smash into it head on.
The "Unsinkable Molly Brown" handed out oars to the other women in that lifeboat. She showed them how to row so they could keep themselves warm. Cause 'Murica.
nearly everything in the bottom 4 tiers either doesn’t exist, doesn’t have a solid definition, or it’s meaning is entirely irrelevant and probably no one believes in them. There are quite a few in the middle that are annoying to find a solid definition for tho.
Peronism is impossible to define, even for us Argentinians. Their party changed positions so much throughout its existence, and also so many other parties claiming to be peronist were created, it doesn't even make sence sometimes. If we read the basics of the Justicialist Doctrine wrote by Perón himself, it is pretty much fascism, at the same time, we had the peronist right and left movements killing each other in the 70's. PS: They're still in power.
I think the best part about that is how basically all ideologies in latter tiers were created in jreg's subreddit you did this, jreg you did this to the world
I’d be genuinely interested in a series where jreg just learns about niche political ideologies, don’t care if every episode was an hour long id love it
I don't think any of it was, unless he was playing the loooong game. If you go back to some of his older videos, you can see that his house looks exactly like it does in the house tour vid.
It's either he's really living in these conditions or it's some old house of his grandparents or something that he's using for the videos as a bit, can't tell which one is more insane
the fact that "how tall is contrapoints" just pops up when you search for left reactionnary is simultaneously the most logical and the weirdest thing about this whole video
@@wsx3268 The Dashmaster charm that is CLEARLY based off sans design? Even the abilities of the charm hint at this (allowing you to dash further or something, been ages since I played HK) And what does sans do in his battle? Dashes away from your attacks.
@@nahometesfay1112 Basically Frenchies were triggered that they had to punch cards and alienate themselves for capitalists at work when nowadays it's not our work but our every single daily activities that are quantified and rated by cold inhuman forces, think Zoom classes where you're not allowed to change tabs or even snore or else you're liable to some kind of sanction, or engament metrics for advertisement and social media where they check how long you take to scroll. Situtationists were saying you could be a "Conscientious objector" to Capitalism when Capitalism has been digging into our unconscious since forever and now basically nests there.
I just came up with a new ideology of Marginalism. It's when everyone attempts to be as marginal in their cultural tastes and sensibilities, and as socialy awkward as possible, resulting in social relations breaking down and everyone just trying to stay away from everyone else to just indulge in their own individuality. Any kind of fitting-in, attempts to form collectives or common culture are deemed evil in this ideology, because it sacrifices some of the uniqueness of the individual.
Conforming to the social consensus that consensus is bad is in of itself a common culture- being unable to express one's individuality with other people because of cultural taboos is pretty anti-individualistic. Cool meme ideology though, I could see a culture based on this (Arguably liberal and neoliberal philosophy already has this sort of cultural fetishization of the individual consumer, though)
@@beansworth5694 However there's no need to have a social consensus on this. Individuals who fall into this ideology just marginalize themselves away from other people, maybe to the point of living alone in caves or abandoned anti-missile shelters, without even knowing or caring whether there is or isn't any kind of consensus. Yes there're some surface level commonalities with liberalism, but there's a kind of absolutist moral imperative at play at the metaphysical level which I think separates this one from other ideologies; individuality does not NEED to be expressed in any way, it just IS, it's the bedrock, most important core value; any kind of cultural expression of it requires a degree of conformity and compromise, if only to make it intelligible to other people, and so is to be deemed a moral vice. But I haven't really thought this one through any further in the 5 minutes it took to come up with it :)
@@MC-yg1mq i know every ideology on the regular polcompball wiki and half of the non-self-inserts on PCBA, name an ideology and I can probably describe it
@@nobodyhere2803 i'll bite. I wrote my own manifesto, of which one of my smokebrothers created his own offshoot. Describe to me the differences between post-grehlist grillbertarianism and accelerationist anarchocookoutism
@@rickrolld1367 libertarian monarchism (like anmon but not as extremely libertarian), elective monarchism (non-hereditary, elected monarchy), monarcho-socialism (monarchist government but the people own the means of production), social monarchism (where the monarch provides many social programs), monarcho-syndicalism (monarchist government with heavy support for worker unions), and libertarian monarcho-socialism (libmon but the workers own the means of production), and matriarchal monarchism (rule by a queen) disagree.
@@nobodyhere2803 Could add a few more - Tibet's system, where a lama is supreme monarch but selected from among children by mystical means (who knows what to call it), rotating monarchy where it is cycled through various families, the papal model (similar to Tibet's), Andorra's model where a Spanish bishop and the president of France are supreme rulers. Juche has also evolved into monarchy. Here in Scotland we had tanistry, which was a form of elective monarchy, but also involved high kings and sub kings.
Peronism is both left wing and right wing because Perron saw italy, misunderstood everything he saw, became a socialist but called himself a fascist, then became a fascist, and then people called themselves perronist despite the fact that peronism is meaningless.
That genuinely reminds me of ba'athism! Theres something kind of interesting in how these Third Worldist ideologies (ie; established in the cold war period by neither eastern or western blocs) like... do their thing.
"Mussolini was the greatest man of our century, but he committed certain disastrous errors. I, who have the advantage of his precedent before me, shall follow in his footsteps but also avoid his errors." "Italian Fascism led popular organizations to an effective participation in national life, which had always been denied to the people. Before Mussolini’s rise to power, the nation was on one hand and the worker on the other, and the latter had no involvement in the former. In Germany happened exactly the same phenomenon, meaning, an organized state for a perfectly ordered community, for a perfectly ordered population as well: a community where the state was the tool of the nation, whose representation was, under my view, effective. I thought that this should be the future political form, meaning, the true people’s democracy, the true social democracy" Juan Perón
@@hanna-liminal "We lived through this hope, strangers in our society which gradually increased our isolation: rebels against all the old values, enemies to all the conventions of humanity, rejecting all ceremonies, relationships and religions. We sought the fight everywhere we were an unrelenting pickaxe..... We were racialists, admiring Nazism, reading its books and the source of its thought, particularly Nietzsche's Thus Spake Zarathustra, Fichte's Addresses to the German Nation, and H. S. Chamberlain's Foundations of the Nineteenth Century, which revolves on race. We were the first to think of translating Mein Kampf. Whoever has lived during this period in Damascus will appreciate the inclination of the Arab people to Nazism, for Nazism was the power which could serve as its champion, and he who is defeated will by nature love the victor. But our belief was rather different..... We were idealists, basing social relationships on love. The Master [Arsuzi] used to speak about Christ, and I think he was influenced by Nietzsche's The Origin of Tragedy. He took the pre-Islamic period for his ideal, calling it the golden age of the Arabs." Sami al-Jundi Ba'athism & The Justicialism of Perón are both 3rd position, 90% fascism but with differences
@@yikxdf991 can you get me a full citation (date, source, etc) for this al-Jundi (which just means The Soldier, obviously a Kunya) - because thats a super interesting quote! It is also super at odds with the active inclination towards straight up Maoism that many arab ideologies showed in the 1960s/70s (and the ways some of those core ideas would be adapted in 1980s jihadism). It really indicates a very pragmatic approach to picking and choosing from other non-Arab ideologies to support your own ideals and to get international support. I am a historian of the modern middle east so i am not being facetious when i say that this is REALLY interesting to me :D
There’s an issue with Icebergs where people define the lower tiers as both more messed up and less well known when those things aren’t necessarily correlated. Neoliberalism is basic, but very poorly understood. On a Chris Chan iceberg, the oedipus saga is the most messed up thing, but also the first point of entry for most Chris Chan followers.
The Rural People's party are Juche tankies living in a trailer in Lexington Kentucky and I'm pretty sure they have actually been recognised as based by North Korea, look them up they're a great meme.
Political idealogy iceberg summerized: level 1: Normal, sane person level 2: Get a life level 3: Get a life level 4: Get a life level 5: Get a life level 6: Get a life level 7: Get a life level 8: Get a life level 9: Get a life level 10: Get a life level 11: Get a life level 12: Get a life level 13: Get a life level 14: Your sole purpose is the internet, and the only joy you feel is death.
Some of the stuff on the right-side of level 2 isn't bad. Pirates politics sounds pretty cool and the more libertarian parts are good as well. I agree tho, the rest is trash.
Theodemocracy is basically when the church is in charge, but also you can vote for your local church leaders. There are different flavours, like with representative theodemocracy where in which you vote for your local church leaders, but the national and international leaders are voted by those local church leaders. It's an interesting school of thought
How did *AltWoke* go from sounding so dumb to so damn interesting and relevantly complex to the modern times so quickly lmao. Imma read up on this now.
I just wanted to mention one interesting ideology which, I'm sure, wasn't mentioned in the list. It could be called "Ruhnamism". It was actually put into practice in Turkmenistan. It's based on the book "Ruhnama", written by the first Turkmenian president (he was a dictator and made people live according to his will). It contains certain set of rules (9 rules) and ideas invented by the author. I love the last rule from the set - "dress up girls".
Do you mean cheese as in the food product or as in something being cheesy? Because that opens it up to either a society of cyborg lab rats, or an anarchist commune stylized as a 30s sci-fi flick.
Pretty sure Fordism is more centered on the hypothetical society laid out in Huxley's "Brave New World" (given the importance of the character of Henry Ford in the novel's setting) rather than the actual business philosophy of Henry Ford, but I could be misinterpreting what the iceberg maker meant.
"Can you count this as an ideology if some 18 year old on discord wrote a manifesto and just threw it out into the wild." As an Esoteric Archeofuturist Culturally Right Wing Agorist who did exactly that I feel personally attacked.
You'll see no monarchism on this tier list, that is because all monarchist ideologies are blessed with the Holy Mandate from God/gods/Lovecraftian aberation and therefore so based that they are above the iceberg and reside in the higher realms.
0:39 "I'm not sure hating a group of people constitutes a political ideology." Wait are you saying that SJW cringe compilation #37 isn't a good basis for my ideology?
@@ihatefridays2715 Nah Twitter is whatever you want it to be, but when you click on the trending page you find some wild people like “I wish everyone would eat babies” or something and people will agree and you just sit down and read in surprise and confusion
For those wondering what ‘Golden Circle’ was in the Historian category, The Golden Circle was a political and economic theory based around the Confederacy that the CSA would conquer Mexico, Cuba, the entirety of the Caribbean, Central America, and the northern coast of South America, and basically turn it into a giant Autarky powered by the slave trade and slave labor. It didn’t get too much traction in the south but you can find maps of this proposed system, and can make it in Hoi4 as well
Kind of fucked up that the 4th tier was like, normal things at this point for the people I talk to. I want to be normal. I dont want to talk to people with sun light deficiencies
14:09 Ilminism was actually a thing, and put into practice. As a Korean I think I've somewhat learnt it in my national history class in high school.. So long story short, 1. Ilminism is Korean Facism practiced in 1950s. 2. Liberal party is nowhere liberal, the rightwing authoritarians just wanted to have a nice name. And here's my explanation. Following the Pacific War, Korea was liberated from JP rule, only to be militarily occupied by US and Soviets. During the occupation, right wing politicians including Rhee remained in South, and they had to figure out how to unify the peninsula and run the nation when the occupation is over. Ilminism focuses on the Korean "ethnicity" in order to make Korea(South for now, but hopefully unified) a functioning nation state. Everyone with Korean ethnicity shall be treated equally, without discrimination upon sex, region of birth, etc. The president is responsible for guiding his people and taking the principle into policies in order to construct national unity based on Korean ethnicism. So Jreg kinda got it right, it is somewhat of a Korean facism. Ilminism is practiced by president Rhee, until the dictator was impeached in 1960. Following presidents of Korea didn't really care about the Ilminist policies, so it has been forgotten anyways. Nowadays no right wing authoritarians really remember the idea after their high school history class exams. And by the way, Rhee's "Liberal" Party was not liberal at all, while their opponent Democratic Party wasn't quite pro-democratic. After naming the ruling ideology of South Korea "liberal democracy", the politicians wanted to have names that fits with what their ideologies should be.
idk what 97% of these terms mean, even the top level, so I'm completely clueless. But the pretty colors flashing on my screen is stimulating my monkey brain, so I think I'll keep watching.
@@nobodyhere2803 - I've been watching Jreg for about a year now. Vast majority of his jokes fly over my head entirely. I just like his editing and personality.
Is where every aspect of society is defined by the winner of a street race. The Fast & Furious is a great representation of this ideology in which Vin Diesel was the absolute ruler.
Peronism, in its original form, was a mix of basically everything that was happening in the world: Peron was influenced by Hitler or Mussolini in his manners and in the way he controlled the masses, (BUT, and the same time, he had sympathy towards Israel and was elected in *mostly* free and fair elections), his economic and social policies were very similar to those implemented by FDR or british labourism, and the way they were implemented had a close resemblance to Stalin, since they were basically Five-year plans. After a coup ousted him in 1955, he went into exile and then a really heavy shitstorm began, with some of his followers going to the far-left (in the form of armed guerrillas) and others going far-right (in the form of paramilitaries/death squads). Nowadays Peronism is mostly on the center-left when it comes to social/cultural policies, and slightly protectionist/nationalist on economic policy, with a heavy (at least on its discourse) leaning towards developing national industry.
Some of these would make great band names. For instance; Slime Mould Cultism, Liquid Labor Theory, Zenarchism, CopyLeft, Unterrified Jeffersonianism, SCUM, Golden Circle, No Wave Economics, Fern The Humanism, Acid E.U. Also, Idk what the Free Market of Cults is, but I sure want to find out.
S.C.U.M. Gang is a rap collective out of Brooklyn that was frequently shouted out by Tekashi 69. Mostly composed of former/current Crips unsuccessfully trying to break into entertainment/fashion/music.
LOL just imagine a maoist calling democracy "wacky" just because he didn't grew up in a democracy. Isn't any political ideology wacky if you aren't used to it?
That's how it works. Imagine how wacky we would be if esoteric fascism was the status quo? Neoliberalism would be like am ancient ideology that nobody believed and thought its too old and lame
6:33 i wish you would. If wendigoon can make a 9hr30min video of all parts of his conspiracy theory iceberg review where he goes as in depth as possible and ive seen it in total 3 times now but i lap it up like it came straight from the oneyplays industrial complex, then i will watch a whole 30hr video of you explaining each level and each ideology listed in this iceberg in as much detail as you can manage
