The Alternate Timeline Iceberg Explained (Part 1) 

34:35 "The Mirage" is a 2012 book by Matt Ruff about a united middle east that revolted against the ottomans, basically what if Pan-Arabism happened. they did stuff in ww2 like beheading Hitler at Nuremberg and split Germany in half, one being a Jewish state, and the other a Christian one. this Israel re-conquers a lot of german and is allied with the UAE as its relations with Europe are bad, so it is kinda a "how would you feel" scenario, America is also a destabilized 3rd world region

So basically there are three kinds of alternate histories: 1. What if Nazi victory? 2. What if Soviet victory? 3. What if ALIENS?

>Alternate history theory "How original" >What if the Nazis won? "Daring today aren't we?"

You cannot just pass over “Shakespeare trying to save queen Elizabeth” I need to know how he does it

I wouldn't wanna live in a world where Harry Turtledove didn't write batshit historical fanfiction.

Imagine an alternative timeline where Harry Turtledove _didn't_ write batshit insane alternative history novels.

April Fools! On me. The video and runtime are actually real. No joke here. I used April Fools as an excuse to do something different, and have wanted to do an iceberg video for a long time. Enjoy!

take a shot every time the Nazis win WW2

I made the flags for the Red World American states under Kaisar before he, unfortunately, passed away. Thank you for, A, featuring Kaiser's last work he was a dedicated mod dev with real passion and a good man. I met two very good friends through his mod team who I still keep in contact. Not to throw shade but from the interactions I had with the successor team, I appreciate their efforts but its not the same and never can be. B, thank you for the ego trip I never thought the flags I made when I was 17 would end up in an alt-history hub video 5 years later.

I love how Harry Turtledove’s whole career is basically “Lmfao bro what if…”

I love it when alternative history comes off like fanfics where the writer just pulls whatever historical figure they knew existed at the time and made them do something in the story, like Anna Oakley assassinating Teddy.

Futurism turning into a political ideology actually has some basis to it, as the real futurism does actually have a political bent to it. The philosophy is basically an outright rejection of nature and embracing of the artificial, rejection and contempt towards weakness and softness or even empathy, and the worship of strength. The Spacer clans from Brigador are an excellent example of a futurist society in fiction, and its exactly as messed up and sociopathic as expected.

''sadly the creator DIED in a car accident'' that took a dark turn

the fact that turtledove isn't confined to one depth of the iceberg is funny. he writes so much alt history fiction that some end up being more esoteric than others

I get the distinct feeling that Harry Turtledove really likes alternate history.

I tried showing my parents this and they couldn’t quite get why it was interesting, to the point I had to clarify these events were fictional. And they’re like “so they’re interesting lies?” And it was just...so cute

The Stanislav Petrov one always gets me because it's just so real. The fate of the world rested on one man and he made the right choice.

Petrov seriously needs more attention. The man literally stopped WW3 all on his own. 1 single man. 1 random Soviet soldier. Saved the entire world. He deserves a statue in both America and Russia.

I kind of like the idea of humans and lizard aliens settling their differences by sharing a love of getting really, really high.

The Race progressing at a super slow is a very interesting scifi concept, I wanna see more stuff like that. In a way it's comparable to the relationship between the Tau and the Imperium in Warhammer. The Imperium are so incredibly stagnant that they've gone backwards in the tech tree over the course of a 10000 years, meanwhile the Tau advance at a terrifying pace (in 6000 years going from cavemen to having spaceships and mechs)

kaiserreich is easily my favorite, Just a strategy game mod blowing up to this extent, but what makes it so good is how detailed it is, it goes into details of every country in the war after germans victory in the weltkrieg, honestly kudos to the mod developers going into such detail for this mod

You know, this video made me realize how much of alternate history is so centerer in america or WW2. I'd be nice seeing more works based in other places and times, kinda like what cody does.

Somehow, the timelines with aliens seem more realistic than the one in which Germany nearly wins with Himmler in charge.

As an avid KSP player, the mere mention of Eyes Turned Skywards made my day. There's a pretty big player base on the KSP forums that replicate the rockets and missions covered in this timeline and a bunch of great mod support by some talented artists and modelers.

As a person who’s into history I always think about what if things didn’t happen this way so this video was super neat

Gotta say the "what if NASA stuck to using Rockets and perfected the technology?" honestly sounds the most interesting out of all of these just because it's an honestly unique question that I hadn't thought of until it was mentioned.

“Alec Guinness plays the Third Doctor instead of Obi-Wan Kenobi” The funny thing is that since the Third Doctor’s run ended in 1974 it wouldn’t have conflicted at all

This is your best series. I love listening to this. I use it to help me study, in fact it helped me pass my Psychology Statistics exam

"I like to imagine that Harry Turtledove is a real life Time Traveler"

Honestly this entire iceberg made me start thinking about how interesting alternate history can be when done, if not good, just kind of well thought out and elaborated on in an interesting way

It surprises me that Kaiserreich is so deep on this list. It doesn’t feel obscure. There’s also Kaiserredux. I enjoy playing a Eurasia game myself. You can really impact the world. Sometimes go mad with Lovecraft, Sun Ra or OAË Austria.

Even though the story winds up being absolutely crazy, I love the alt history stories where modern day tech and/or people somehow get instantly teleported to some point in the past, idk why I guess it's just funny to me

This is so good👏🏼 yet densily informative that I need to slow down while watching it. Thanks God there's a second part 🙏🏼

I was obsessed with Harry Turtledove’s alien invasion series. Underdog warfare, working with your enemies, and just the cultural differences of this lizard race. One of my favorite little things in that series is the humans reverse engineering integrated circuits from the aliens and using them to create essentially tickle me Elmo, and the aliens basically saying “Why would you make this?”

hey althistoryhub i am a dev for red world. i wanted to let you know that the Red World mod has been revived and we even updated it recently to be compatible with the latest hoi4 update. we also added trees for the great lakes and yemen which goes through a civil war. now we are focusing on releasing kaisers planned update, which was about a soviet rework (and ssrs) and german and canadian trees, we also are working on spanish content, also note the APC is nbot pro-soviet the UAPR. the APC is led by revolutionary socialists which are basically trotskyists/syndycalists/titoists etc and they oppose the USSR.

Damn the Al Capone being Stalin actually makes a tiny bit of sense considering Stalin was a gangster for the Bolshevik’s in their formative years.

good work! it is very entertaining and funny as well, I had some good laughs! Thank you very much :)

32:33 Regarding Futurism; it was an art movement, but it was obsessed with modern technology, especially weapons of war. When WW1 broke out a lot of futurists got really excited and saw the war as a vindication of their ideology and a chance to destroy the old world to make way for modernity. You'll also notice that futurism didn't really continue after WW1. That's because a lot of Futurists died in WW1. It's one of the great "well, duh"'s of history. But yeah, I could see Futurists try to take over Europe. They already tried it once. If they hadn't all gotten themselves killed they probably would have been more successful as an art movement.

Overall, well done, lad! Well done! About to start the second edition!

Keep up the great stuff

You know, one big problem I have with a lot of these alternate histories is that they place very little value on the relationships countries have with each other, especially in trade. Like in some of these, all of the United States could be destroyed, and world events would just be the exact same, just with the US part crossed out.

11:35 WOOW, I'm there on the list!!! Thanks Cody for the recognition, I did a lot of work to re-kickstart the interest momentum in the timeline after a long creative hiatus so giving us publicity is super cool of you.

I like the alt history that focuses in on the characters. It leaves a lot to the reader's imagination and interpretation. It also leaves the writer not having to explain every detail and open themselves to contradictions.

I own 9 of these books/series of books, mostly by Harry Turtledove. Hopefully Roma Eterna(?) is on the next list. Don't know if Clan Of The Cave Bear would be considered alternative history, but it would be good to see that too.

Im convinced Harry Turtledove was just a 10 year old boy with excellent writing skills

1:17 The Man in the High Castle (Axis win WW2) 2:52 The Years of Rice and Salt (Black Death kills 90% of Europe) 5:01 The two Georges (No US independence) 6:38 Fatherland (Germany wins WW2, cold war with the US) 7:44 The Yiddish Policimen's Union (US makes a jewish land in Alaska) 8:48 Fallout (nuclear retro society, nuclear war happens in 2077) 10:13 Plot Against America (Lindenberg wins the ellection, the nazis try get him on their side) 11:26 1983: Doomsday (nuclear WW3 in the 80's) 13:59 For want a Nail (UK wins the american revolution) 16:22 Southern Victory (Condeferates win the Civil War) 18:34 WorldWar (Aliens invade Earth during WW2) 20:08 Axis of Time (US fleet send back to 1942) 21:16 Wolfenstein The New Order (Nazis win WW2 through super science) 21:52 The Peshawar Lancers (New ice age in the North hemisphere) 23:35 1632 (a West Virginian town is send to the HRE) 24:15 III Bethisad (stronger Roman Empire, steampunk world) 24:58 The Draka (super powered South Africa) 26:46 The New Order - The Last Days of Europe (Axis barely win WW2) 28:25 Ruled Britania (Spain conquers England) 29:07 Himmler's War (Hitler dies and Himmler takes his place) 29:49 World In Conflict (Soviet Union invades the US) 30:24 Decisive Darkness (Japan don't surrender after the nukes) 31:28 Red Flood (No one wins WW2) 33:16 Back in the USSA (Communist US) 34:35 The Mirage (no idea lol) 34:54 Lion's Blood (Europe colonised by the islamic world) 35:37 The Sky People (Venus and Mars are inhabitated) 36:20 A Giant sucking sound (Ross Perot wins in 1992) 37:41 Anglo/American-Nazi War (Germany beats the USSR, war extends to 1960) 38:20 Reds! (Communist US) 39:31 For All Time (Worst case scenario in WW2) 41:50 Blue Skies in Camelot (Marilyn Monroe never die) 43:05 Atlantis (Atlantis exist) 44:01 Eyes Turned Skywards (NASA keeps the Saturn designs) 45:16 A Rebel in Time (Time travelers trying to change the Civil War) 45:41 West of Eden (Dinossaurs survive) 47:10 Malê Rising (Islamic slave revolt suceeds in Brazil) 48:14 The Chaos Timeline (No Genghis Khan) 49:22 Moonlight in a Jar (Al Andalus survive) 50:17 1901 (US and Imperial Germany goes to war) 51:08 The guns of the South (White supermacists help the Confederates) 52:07 A World of Difference (liveable Mars) 53:21 The Neanderthal Parallax (Neanderthals govern the war) 54:53 Fear, Loathing and Gumbo on the Cmpaign Trail '72 (Nixon wins in 72) 55:42 Red World (USSR wins the cold war) 57:30 Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg (Germany wins WW1) 59:58 Xvras Wyzryn (Stronger USSR, nuclear war between the soviets and Europe) 1:01:29 A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court (Self explanatory) 1:02:25 Land of Red and Gold (Better crops in Australia, stronger Aboriginal Australians civilization)

An absolutely amazing 👏 and informative video.

These are so cool, it really makes you think

Easily 90% of these alternative worlds look like a logistical hell with so many things that would just no work

Fallout has really two major things that need to happen: 1. The post-war technological fascination focuses on nuclear research over computing, likely through Britain never quite figuring out Enigma 2. Chernobyl never happens, preventing the nuclear backlash we saw in our timeline

Axis victory WWII is the least creative basis for alternate history. I know nothing about this, and that's an obvious route to me. Not to say that it couldn't be interesting, just that it's not too imaginative on its own.

I love the last one, it's a simple change that is plausible, and that changes the history of a continent heavily.

Never in my life would I ever expect to see a *One Hour AltHistHub video.* Thank you, Cody. This is greater than any Christmas gift I ever couldve gotten.

Why do alternate history authors largely focus on either A: the second world war, or B: wacky time travel shenanigans. I wanna see the ramifications of an alternate Peloponnesian War, in which the Sicilian expedition succeeds, leading to victory for Athens and her empire. I also wanna see the outcome of an alternate Bay of Pigs invasion, in which air support is approved for the invading Cubans.

Man I love falling asleep with these videos 😍😍😍

Ok but honestly the most interesting part of any "what if the axis won ww2" scenario is just how exactly they won the war

I'm a writer for Reds, and I'm glad we were even mentioned. Thanks! Although how the fuck are we more well-known than Kaiserreich?

You can see the influence of Orwell's 1984 in so many of these stories.

I don't know, how many times I've watched this masterpiece of a video. Thx.

I discovered this video at 2 am I was just sitting at my desk in my phone browsing RU-vid and decided to click on it. For the next 1 hour I watched a greatly made video witch made me think about things, this happens to me quite a lot sense I love history, politics, economics, ideologies the innovation and advancement of technology different sciences and society in general and so many things I can talk about like I am just so jnterested ans while taking alternative history not too serious its always nice to look at something in an analytical way to add more to your worldview. I wish very much I could talk to someone about all of these things. Thank you so much that you make good quality content and thanks to everyone who watched and will maybe read my comment it's good to see actual good things in a time that we are in.

I understand why, but I'm really disappointed that so much of the iceberg was "scary Russians" and "what if WWII was different", though that was finally letting up towards the end. Really looking forward to part 2 and the wackier half of the iceberg! IMO, the most interesting alternate histories aren't solely focused on one war or Europe/America, but events that would make our modern world completely unrecognizable (excluding the alien ones, which is fun but pretty silly and doesn't really teach anything).

I looked at the iceberg and I wondered why Temeraire wasn't included. It's a story about the Napelonic wars, but one in which sentient dragons exist and are used in areial combat with crews on them like a battleship. They even have carriers for these dragons so that they can be taken across an ocean.

Ww2 was a major pivotal moment in human history where events could've gone differently if we never got involved

So cool to see my Spyro skybox recolor at the start of the video! 😄

Mixing the iceberg concept with alternate history is actually really good

There was an alternate timeline fan fic of Turtledove's world war series called World War: War of Equals where it due to the Race's invasion being delayed by a small upgrade that took 70 years to complete it resulted in the invasion taking place in the 21st century instead of the 1940's.

Thanx for posting 👍🙂🐻

Love your vids

As an Australian I got to read the Lands of Red and Gold and I believe it was one of the first stories to capture my interest in alternate history!

'Reds!' is my personal favorite. Extremely well-written, and it goes out of its way to explain its timeline outside of the cliche'd "For Want Of A Nail" type scenarios. The writers actually went back and added more differences to the timeline in order to justify its divergence.

Holly molly i love these vid... it just makes you think

having no shuttle, IMO, is the best one of these

As more of a fantasy reader, I’m sad the Temeraire series by Naomi Novik did not merit a mention. For those unfamiliar, it’s essentially the Napoleonic Wars but with dragons.

Hi, regarding Red World, there is some inaccurate lore in the video, namely Montana and the APC. While the creator died, there's a fanfork mod aiming to recreate the rest of Kaiser1871's plans that I help dev for. Your videos helped inspire me throughout high school and I probably wouldn't be doing this without your work. We really appreciate the shoutout in the video and it be really cool to see a standalone video on Red World.

Bro, as a history buff this is like to crack to me. I'm Irish and personally the idea of alternate Irish history is something that really interests me. My personal favourite theory is what if the 1798 rebellion was a success, changing Irish gun culture forever, making Ireland the biggest arms dealers in the world.

32:08 that footage is from Brazil's border with Paraguay though we wouldn't notice, but we did.

I love it how 95% of these just have alternate versions of eachother, most of which are on this list.

You know, a question just popped into my head. Does Stargate technically count as Alternate History, since humans have unknowingly had contact with Aliens since Ancient Egypt?

WOW 🤩 amazing research thank you and thanks to all the writers ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

Harry Turtledove’s stories sound like the feverish philosophical/theoretical/random ramblings me and my friends would have at 3 A.M.

Another interesting one was a Battleifled 2 mod called "Point of Existence: 2" which was released in 2006 which kinda have some eerie connections to the current war in Ukraine but as an Alternate history where the roles of Russia and Ukraine are reversed and takes place in 2006, same as the release year of the mod. The TL;DR of the mod: Ukraine decides to expand its influence into its neighbor Belarus and invades. UN fails to take immediate action after Ukrainian forces invade Belarus but after evidence of war crimes being committed by Ukrainian forces is found, the UN finally kicks into action and send German and US forces in to stop the invasion/occupation. Later on in the mod's life time, it kicks off a land war between the US and Russia in and around Ukraine & Belarus. Here is the summary from their website for the full context of the events in this Alternate Timeline: "After a long, bloody war in the Sudan, the governments of the United States and Russia struck an uneasy cease-fire over the fate of Africa and its burgeoning industry. This peace would be short lived, for to the north a new conflict was brewing. Ukraine, a former satellite state of the Soviet Union, sought to gain back the power from which it once reveled in. As the snow fell in a heavy midwinter storm, Ukrainian troops moved towards the border of Belarus. Without warning, Ukrainian troops attacked with a speed and effectiveness not seen since the blitzkrieg of WWII. With their aggressive tactics, the Ukrainian army reached the capital of Belarus in a matter of weeks. The lightly armed and ill-prepared Belarusian army could do little to stop this onslaught of men and metal. The fall of Minsk signaled the end of resistance throughout Belarus. The bordering countries of Ukraine and Belarus began to wonder if they were as vulnerable to occupation as Belarus had been. The United Nations condemned these attacks as unjust and illegal but was unable to pass a mandate to take action against the expansionist aims of Ukraine. The UN's inability to act upon the actions of the Ukrainian army only strengthened Ukraine's resolve that they could not easily be stopped. Six months came to pass with no military action against Ukraine but rumors had started that Ukraine was systematically killing their former political competitors. With no clear evidence of the assassinations, the United Nations was still reluctant to take action. As time passed, more evidence surfaced of executions, illegal imprisonment, and torture; however, it was all unconfirmed information until a Kramaerican Photo reconnaissance satellite passed overhead. The satellite caught pictures of mass graves where the Ukrainian army had been dumping the bodies of political enemies and what appeared to be unarmed civilians. This information was promptly forwarded to the UN Security Council. With an unprecedented 93% majority, a mandate was drafted and signed. Troops would be sent into Ukraine and Belarus to bring those who had committed these crimes to justice. In an underground bunker, military advisers and command staff from around the world met to plan the attack. The principal military force to go into Ukraine would be led by Germany and the United States. They planned to hit Ukraine first in the hopes that if the Ukrainian public found out about the war crimes their government had committed in their name, the citizens would lay down their arms and greet the American and German troops as liberators. The plan consisted of a massive airborne assault and armored spear head from Poland. The German forces would rush to Kiev in the heart of the country, while the United States protected their northern flank from the Ukrainian troops based in Belarus. On a dim night in September, the invasion of Ukraine was started. Through the darkness came ten thousand airborne troops, dropping from the sky like a heavy rainstorm. The destiny of Eastern Europe now lies in your hands. It is time for you to choose which side of this epic conflict you shall fight on to prove your Point of Existence."

I look up to you guys so much! HistoryTube is a better place for you guys doing what you do!

If you upload an hour plus review of every one of these timelines I WILL listen to all of them more than a few times

Best case scenarios sound odd, but they are as valid as any other alternate scenarios. So glad to hear about them!

a few things that I noticed from this: 1: there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of effort in actually making sure events make sense, instead, it seems to be the goal to fit in as many real events as possible. 2: if you want to know a person's philosophy, have them write an alternate history.

19:44 "Ginger turns the lizards into sluts" - Cody, Alternate History Hub, 2022 (Colourised)

Imagine an alternate universe where all humans were kind

45:41 Hey Trey the Explainer

I'm so glad this isn't an April Fool's video. This format from Cody is a dream come true

Kinda expected to see "Zhirinovsky's Russian Empire" in here, Kaiserreich's position was pretty unexpected tbh. Though glad Decisive Darkness and Rumsfeldia one are here!

All of this is fascinating. I want to watch/read/play all of this

The man in the high castle is a great series on alternate history- which is referenced in the first point in this video. Worth a watch.

Oh my god, you used my iceberg chart. Fucking makes me absolutely happy! Thank you so much Cody legit seriously I been watching you for years since 2013.

So I'm the writer of Moonlight in a Jar. It's nice to get a mention. Thanks. Genuinely flattered.

The idea that Britain outlawing American slavery in the 1830s, leading to a prosperous black community, is ridiculous. It completely ignores actual history. All the oppression and racism against black folks from the 1860s still existed in the 1830s. The British Empire wasn't any kinder to black people just because they outlawed slavery first. They had just moved to aggressive colonialism, which is just slavery workout the commute.

maybe the real alternate history were the friends we made along the way

28:38 i have no idea whether or not this extended period of silence was intentional or not, but it has me rolling regardless and i dont know why

I've always loved the focus that some Alternative History gives Australia. Not only because I live there, but also because its such a untapped world that's unlike what most people understand. An alternative history about how Jack Lang, NSW Premier after WWI, could've started a civil war; an alternative scenario where American left Australia alone during the 70s, allowing for more autonomy, and thus the earliest country to develop more as a country under Gough Whitlam, and become a modern day powerhouse, on the level of that of Japan in terms of economic power, and the resources that of America; or, as you highlighted in the video, what if the Aboriginal People had found their own crop equivalent to rice, and developed their society much like the rest of the world did. Australia has so many branches of history that could've made the country HEAVILY different, and I think they're opportunities that you could explore easily.

29:46 one interesting thing about World in Conflict is that all sides were depicted properly: as humans. You have some who are... overly eager to fight for their state and even ready to commit warcrimes, while the superiors stop him. And this on the same faction.

The ending of A Connecticut Yankee is incredibly hard-core, especially when you consider when it was written.