Destiny 2 Lore - Did the Vex of Neptune steal a generation? The Swarmers & Neomuna's lost Children. 

So, im pretty confident that the Aesop Story really happened, and it wasnt about the children being kidnapped, they were outright killed. "The Children went dark, *their connection was severed."* - "Aesop withdrew and left us to *mourn"* It doesnt work as a nursery rhyme because there isnt any moral to each to children. What would children hearing the story think?? "The Vex are scary, do what they say or they will kill you"?? I think Aesop the Sovereign is a Vex Mind like Quria, a mind purpose-built to interact with non-Vex life, to experiment and exploit them. This is actually what you've always wanted Byf, a Vex Mind with a personality! I really hope Aesop comes back and we can avenge Neomuna's lost generation!

Just had a thought, if the cloudark is powered by the veil and the vex are capable of toying with the cloudark, does that mean the vex found a way to play with paracausality?

@@sombrero434 They still can’t control it but they use it as a generator of sorts. The Last Days lore book describes it like a wind turbine, which is probably why there’s a giant wind turbine at Zephyr Concourse. Go figure. ]]]Zephyr………the west wind[[[

@@BBBey alright, apreciate the clarification.

Wacth a Vex fanatic with the name "Aesop's Sycophant" appear in season of the deep.

"the children have been deleted"

@@DarkTakanuva “we call this a difficulty tweak”

Also entirely possible. I interpreted it as abduction given the parallels to the story of the pied piper. Sitting and thinking about it, I don't know what fate is worse...

possibly "both"..their bodies died, being disconnected, whereas their minds were stolen by the vex....which is honestly even MORE horrifying

@@MynameisByf Just because something has parallels to something outside Destiny doesnt mean it was used as an intentional parralel. So, im pretty confident that the Aesop Story really happened, and it wasnt about the children being kidnapped, they were outright killed. "The Children went dark, *their connection was severed."* - "Aesop withdrew and left us to *mourn"* It doesnt work as a nursery rhyme because there isnt any moral to each to children. What would children hearing the story think?? "The Vex are scary, do what they say or they will kill you"?? I think Aesop the Sovereign is a Vex Mind like Quria, a mind purpose-built to interact with non-Vex life, to experiment and exploit them. This is actually what you've always wanted Byf, a Vex Mind with a personality! I really hope Aesop comes back and we can avenge Neomuna's lost generation!

Guineabig canon

But pineapples aren’t how bizarre

@@Vikrampic123 But on Neomuna, you can find a holographic pineapple as well. Pineabble real

​​@@Vikrampic123 amazing to think that there are recipes that require organs from aliens but Ghost is more confused about the existence of pineapples in Neomuna

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Which would also make sense in game wise how everything is super cheery but there's always something off about the city (besides it feeling empty before you realize that those little colorful holograms are neomuni

There are some folks who were forced to go into the cryo sleep when Calus attacked. After one of the patrol missions one of the guys there say that they're going to put the Cabal in cryo sleep to see if they can become something more. After hearing that I kill every Cabal on sight. Them folks there ain't right.

]]]Long…Slow…Whisper…[[[

@@Amirifiz Those people were a cult that tried to forcible upgrade everybody with Cloudstrider tech.

Halo Reach vibes

Low key that's why representation is important. To give us glimpses of what our world *could* be. What would it say about the world of Destiny, (and the world the developers chose to create), if that weren't true?

Please give It a better treatment Than Quria

​@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 justice for quiria

Quria got done so dirty, it was teased since D1 and early D2 and then gets killed off as a seasonal antagonist

@@chrisa5180 though I still believe we didn't kill the real quiria

Ik this video came out a year ago but I’ve been binging all of this stuff lately and, could Aesop maybe have been Nezarec? It doesn’t exactly say how long he’s been trapped in the CloudArk/VexNet and some of the things they do are kinda similar.

You would need to adjust based on overlap time which wouldn’t be consistent, but we could probably get a good estimate, though cloudstriders were probably invented a good while after the cities founding

@@ethanshackleton yeah, there would probably be a couple hundred year period or so from the discovery of the veil to the creation of the cloudark to the first cloud strider

@@ethanshackleton They were. My guess is most of the graves are from before the Cloud Striders' time when more citizens of Neomuna used to fight against the Vex. This is described in "The Strider" lore entry, where it is mentioned more Neomuni used to get implants to transform their bodies to fight. "The Strider" describes the Sidereal (the device that creates Cloud Striders) as an invention by the first Cloud Strider to protect the Neomuni from further suffering by having one Cloud Strider take up the burden of fighting. The "Mikahela Julaha" entry, however, implies she became the first Cloud Strider purely by accident.

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This is something I fully intend on researching when I get off work

I feel like 20 would’ve been better since that’s the age you can retire with full benefits from the military.

@@devontricmoore Cloudstriders done even get a charger...

Windermere kind of like them but -20

That means we have to deal with nimbus’ stupid ass for a decade. Shame he won’t die sooner

And it would explain why Nimbus always tries to be upbeat and relatively cheerful. They know they don’t have much time left, and are just trying to get as much joy out of life as they can.

Not only that, but I feel it’s probably just a life lesson too. Like the vibe we get is that it’s to prevent the vex future attempts to get in, but also the “teaching children important life lessons”. Similar to how some kids shows on PBS teach kids to keep their passwords and money in a safe spot.

This was my thought on it, since the Vex have many axis/sub minds named with ties to Greece. So I thought if Aesop’s Fables and that this was just an exaggerated story to teach, like how “A boy who cried wolf” teaches kids to tell the truth.

Well warlock's will get a aspect named "The Wanderer" so it may have a nugget of lore to it.

The argument on Nimbus is really interesting. Overall, a lot of neomuni seem really relaxed about the war, and while that can be a bit more normal with our other NPCs who are immortal superheroes (guardians), having regular mortal humans be like that is really strange. Add to that the fact that their news reporter is more of a paparazzi than a journalist, it does paint the idea that maybe the truth that neomuni have been told is really downplaying the danger of not only the extinction of humans, but also of all sentient species that the Witness represents.

​@@FrazierboiX what do you mean us warlocks will get another aspect ?

Interesting point. That would explain why Nimbus is so painfully ignorant. They've been told sinxe childhood that the enemy is nothing to worry about.

@@malfeasance3251 have you not been reading the TWABs Bungie puts out?

i also harden in response to emotional trauma

@@spazalicious5208 Ayo bro? 🤨📸

@@spazalicious5208 suuus

I harden

@@spazalicious5208 Are we not doing phrasing anymore?

seconding and bumping this its great word and name play by bungie honestly

So about 3000 years have passed since the collapse Really makes you appreciate how genius was golden age engineering judging by the fact that those ships are still floating there on Titan

The collapse happened a few hundred years ago not thousands.

​@Sedition Case 10, its earth years

@@theurbanreanimator7244 Is it? A Neptunian year is 165 Earth years. That could also be interesting. But I don't the impression Destiny's lore covers the amount of time that math would imply.

​@@ZakiSCV offset by about half, the partner is always present at the others funeral then tutors the next dying halfway leavi g the next one with 5 years and so on so each pair is about 15 years for both to die

We haven't seen the wartime vex. Other than wyverns. Maybe the higher up vex in the network do have a level of personality? If so Aesop would be potentially on the level of Penoptes or higher

@@Topoftheworld121 Panoptes DID seem to have some sentience, But i believe Aesop would be muuch higher, It specifies Axis mind and, Axis minds are usually pretty important.

@Zur0ra I agree, a much greater chance to be higher up

Potentially, it’s just a white lie. Presumably Vex don’t even have names among themselves. It’s much easier to explain a creature like the Vex to a child by applying a form of individualism to them, after-all, saying what probably really happened, that a Vex excursion stole some children without any contact with the wider Neomuna population or really even malice is much harder for a child to understand. Think like how we explain magnetism to children with attraction and repulsion as if these slabs of metal or coils of wire have opinions of eachother.

The monsters, i pretty sure those are the aphelions, everytime they mention those things even drifter everything points to them, i hope so.

I also think it was confirmed that one of Neptune's moons was held by the Hive

Interesting idea, but they'd probably just die after the 10 year span, and get resurrected by their ghosts for another 10 years, and so forth. Assuming they don't die multiple times per day like my poor Guardian.

Augmenting after getting a ghost probably wouldn't work, but Ghosting a cloud strider and creating a super guardian seems entirely plausible...

The final shape

@@Xenronnify Actually, i confidently believe they would not die in 10 Years just to get resurrected, because one of the main powers of the Light is healing and rejuvination. Any internal-organ scarring the nanites cause would be healed just like any injuries you get in the Crucible are healed. A Guardian Cloudstrider would still be very much immortal and might very well be the most powerful defender we ever have. Paracausal Light, Paracausal Dark, and near-infinite Nanite Weapon Fabrication all in one.

@@SymbioteMullet Vex could permanently convert Asher and those other guardians so...

honestly that is an awesome idea, we could explore more of the vex network like we did in season of the splicer. additionally we have a reference to Excalibur with Vexcaliber so honestly it isn't far fetched.

“Axis Mind” is a term we’ve heard before no? There have been other axis mind vex, very powerful ones like the one at the core of Nessus iirc

​@@watson498Correct. Axis Minds exist to serve functions of high importance for the Vex. They have a lot of authority and manage everything in their area.

Asher was purged from the network when after he revealed Vexcalibur to us, and by extension revealed himself to the Vex. Pretty certain he's dead. Source: Scribetrace Shell

It’s a possibility. The Vidoc for Final Shape reveals the first episode after it: Echoes, involving the Vex in some way. Maybe we’ll be tasked with purging the Vex out of the CloudArk and off of Neptune entirely? We may end up working with Mithraks and other Splicers to kill Aesop. We’ll have to wait and see.

Painful augmentations and indoctrination as a child, I wonder where I've seen that before in a bungie game.....

Master chief you mind telling me what you are doing at McDonald’s

​@@Teastott Sir, finishing this Big Mac!

​@@Teastott Chief you mind telling me what your doing in that discord channel?

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More likely a rug-pull ending to an episode years in the future. Imagine the House of Salvation learn of Neomuni nanotech, and descend on the city to co-opt/use the Sidereal. This prompts Nimbus (hopefully a little more serious/mature by now) to start looking for their own apprentice. A lot of House Salvation are former Devils, who already have experience with a slightly more primitive Human nanotech. Now that Eramis has left the system, and the Witness' end nears, there will definitely be a power struggle. The season's villain nearly triumphs, only for Nimbus to input the Sidereal's killcode in the final cutscene, accepting their fate as the last Cloud Strider and entrusting the Guardians with Neomuna's care. If done correctly, this could both unite Humanity's two cities even more closely, and possibly even redeem Nimbus' characterisation.

I think maybe it got the wrong name and description. New video on that coming soon perhaps?

@@HoneyDoll894 That's what I'm thinking, yeah.

byfe made a comment, it was mixed up with a new vid

​@@HoneyDoll894 i meant to reply to you check my other reply in this thread

Some lore books mention that time in the cloud ark is usually limited, and at the beginning of the story they say "citizens to defence positions" or something similar, which sounds to me like everyone getting chucked into pods for their safety. So from that I read that citizens usually spend their time IRL, but they're all in there full time right now because of being invaded by Calus and friends. Or they just clone people a bunch. Golden age tech, yeah?

They Neomuni have only been within the CloudArk for the past 2 to 3-ish years as it was the impending arrival of the Black Fleet that gave them reason to put everyone into Cryostasis. Prior to that they lived within the actual city itself.

Yeh, I was thinking the same thing. Even rewatched to make sure I didn’t miss something.

There was a glitch with the title and thumbnail, seems like the cloudstrider creation video is coming later this week

Does that mean all these people (me included) commented before opening the video?

@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 I watched the whole Video. I just was expecting a very different video

@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 maybe

Nezerac?

To be fair the devil splicers didn't last long enough to see the potential side effects from using siva

@@wackobro3782 Well, we did see a Devil Splicer Capitan in the Tangled Shore in a Destiny Comic, and he looked quite chill. Also as far as we know, Quicksilver cant resurrect the dead into zombies, or return sentient robots to prestine working condition, like Sepiks Prime and Taniks.

Clownstriders is quickly going into my lexicon

SIVA???!! 🔴◾️🔺◾️🟥▪️🔻⬛️🔺🔻🟥⚫️

The nanites themself don't have an expiration date, it's the bodies of the cloudstriders that do. Their cybernetics aren't completely made up of nanites, and it's also fusing organic material with cybernetics. It makes them stronger but their bodies probably start to reject the foreign parts after 10 years as their organs start to fail and their immune system starts to attack itself. It's why cloudstriders have a specific death date where they're basically shut down slightly ahead of time so they don't have to suffer too much at the end of their life. I'm pretty sure any of the nanites stuff left over is what is used to make their graves or it's recycled back into the rest of the city. Also about devil splicers, eliksni are much more experienced and compatible with technology and integrating themselves with it as it's a part of their culture and they're an alien race with much different (and probably generally tougher) physiology to humans. Any properly nourished eliksni would probably tower over most humans, and the strongest of the devil splicers took so lot of ether for themselves prior to siva so as is they were larger and beefier, so whatever stress nanites tech puts on organisms wouldnt be felt as much or would take much longer to set in that it would for humans. Also eliksni naturally have longer potential life spans. Misraaks and Eramis are centuries old and plenty of the fallen bosses we fight throughout history were said to be as old if not older.

There's brothers Grimm those are dark af anything Disney has made look at the source

I hope they are resurrected with their augments. That would be the most powerful protector we have ever seen.

Good question. The Coalition and the Last City of Earth would be welcoming to a new Guardian to defend humanity, but I feel Neomuna and Nimbus would be conflicted and need more time to process the Light choosing a Couldstriders. As Neomuna has always had a serious dedication to the sacrifice the Cloudstriders make. Since they know they’re history and roots, unlike the Last City, they’d probably see a risen Guardian Cloudstrider as heresy. Something to be shunned. There’s a lot of story potential there: Guardians aiding Neomuna in destroying Aesop, and a Cloudstrider returning as a Guardian. If a season like that could end with an official alliance with Neomuna, and them and the Cloudstriders accepting the Guardians, the newly risen Cloudstrider, and the Coalition as a whole, that’d be a great season.

They'd be resurrected as they died: with their augmentations. While Ghosts can eliminate causes of natural death such as disease, they seem more limited in removing mechanical augmentations (such as Guardians turning into Vex). So maybe a Guardian Cloudstrider's augs wouldn't kill them because their human bodies were resurrected in the Light. Or maybe they'd still kill them every 10 years, but that death would be no different from other forms of death (i.e., one quick rez and they're back on their feet). Depends if their Ghosts can truly restore the biological body to the point where it "resets" the aug death clock. Either way, it seems like a resurrected Cliudstrider would have all of the upsides with none of the downsides (aside from, potentially, minor inconvenience).