Destiny 2 Lore - How Shaxx & Elsie are defending The Last City & Ada's potential SIVA plans? 

“Everyone is quick to forget [the Plaguelands]” NO BYF… some of us never stop thinking about the Plaguelands…

Randal the vandal, that's what is so valuable in the cosmodrome.

Elsie is obviously referring to Master Chief who’s still in crypsleep in one of the pods

“Allowance of Foresight” would make a good weapon name

Imagine… Siva infested Black Armory weapons

I really hope Elsie Bray plays a big part in the Final Shape. The whole journey started with her there, it should end with her there as well.

It's weird how there are Pyramid ships in Midtown but from the Tower POV it seems like we are none the wiser.

It's the Khvostov, obviously.

I hope this explains the “husband” title that Shaxx has. That caught me so off guard when I saw him in the Hall!

Great to see Ada having a chance to shine! She's had lots of minor support roles since her season, but now she finally gets to show her skill as, first and foremost, a weapons designer and entrepreneur

Weapons “banned by the vanguard” *as it shows Hung Jury on screen*

I'd bet a godroll Ada is indeed referencing Siva, but not towards a future story line, but just the return of the Zero Hour Mission. Given we are going to her for the mission quest, its likely this will tie into how that is returning in lore like how Eris crafted the Whisper Of the Worm for us from a memory (as hand wavy as that is). That said, its not impossible this is referencing a new story line in the future. I know Bungie said they were done with Siva, but it wouldn't be the first time they went back on their word (like Cayde staying dead). Given Wrath of the Machine is the last D1 Raid that hasn't been brought into D2, Is very possible they create an episode based on Siva so they can use those assets to re-create that raid. Its a long shot though, so I'm not crossing my fingers at all.

Byf: glazes the Redjacks for 4 straight minutes Drifter: "It takes a 100 of Shaxx's Redjacks to take down a single Hive Knight. Why does he even bother building them?"

love the out of pocket TSLAYP reference, "The cursed enemy"

My first thought when the mention of enemies that could get ahold of SIVA was actually Clovis Bray. He's still sitting quiet in Europa. If he could get ahold of SIVA, he might not even need any of the current Warmind data or framework to become one of the most formidable opponents we've ever seen, especially since SIVA was originally a Clovis Bray technology.

Byf talking about Siva and I click without question.

Revisiting The Plague lands, Wraith of the Machines and SIVA......oh boy!!!!!

i love how Byf talks about all this like he's a character in-game describing history, I love it so much, I feel like I've been called to action, thanks for these videos man

3:40 hey Byf, I wanted to let you know that there is one of the brave weapon lore tabs that's from the pov of 2 kids trying to get close to a live Crucible match, so while we do go into map simulations, there's still maps that we physically go into. So the redjacks are still being used for map clearing, I assume for the easier to maintain territories

When Ada-1 mentioned the Comsodrome I was thinking more about the exodus colony ships, this would also be a way to bring back poor failsafe who is still stranded on Nessus

I see the Cosmodrome project being SIVA as the canon way they re-introduce some, or all, of the sunset weapons. It's also very convenient that the Black Armory weapons and SIVA share the same color scheme... Maybe they come back with a similar ornament that the shiny BRAVE weapons have, like a slightly SIVA-fied version?

I just want to express my appreciation for the editing surrounding Ada interrupting Shaxx in the Blast Furance lore tab. Very nicely done

Siva! I demand a whole saga, after light and dark, to be solely centered around Siva. That or Ahamkara. Ill take either.

I really love reading all the lore tabs of all the weapons, seeing Shaxx work Ada, Saladin and Elise to make the BRAVE weapons and seeing all the POV’s if tue civilians

Word. Powering up an Exodus Ship, filling it full of guardians, and flying is straight through the portal into the Traveller. I mean as soon as crow like unlocks the door. I kinda feel like we got locked out of the house, and crow slipped in through an open window. Now we are just waiting for him to get to the front door.

About Forbearance: the weapons all have non-voiced dialogue when you recieve the fixed curated rolls from Shaxx. he comments on Forbearance as being a "Pyramid souvenir". suppose he's referring to the "original" Forbearance, since he also states he designed the new Brave launchers. then again he also calls them weapons of Darkness, by the Darkness, against the Darkness. so to my interpretation (possibly wrong, obviously) rather than being imitation Forbearances from an unknown source, the Brave Forbearances are either shaped from the Mars Relic or reclaimed from (Rhulk's) Pyramid ruins. they're then machined and modified by the team working on the Brave weapons like Shaxx and Ada, then distributed to those participating in the anti-Onslaught effort. this lets them stay distinct from the original Forbearances while also explaining their relatively equal capability despite their differing appearance, as well as their allowance to be used so widely aside from the Vanguard's more typical approval for the others in the set.

Defending the city is tough after 50 waves , those Cabal Turrets guard pretty well at times

6:44 Sidebar: I noticed how many of the threats Elsie cites in this lore tab are ones that have already been mitigated, or even obviated. The Bombardment never occurred, that was the finale of Seraph. Hive sappers are in no position to undermine Perimeter South because Xivu's distracted, Savathun's waiting for us to get a stable path through the portal (for her to capitalize on like the clever minx she is), and Oryx is, of course, long dead. Botza now has a bunch of Eliksni in it, who would not long abide a rusty, unmaintained gate to the outside. ("They might not have the resources-" Did you see how quickly that bunting went up?) There is still the possibility that Anchor could get flattened by a Pyramid ship (it's already happened to Midtown, for example) but I suspect things have changed too much for that to occur.

The cursed enemy has finally joined us as allies, couldn't be happier

Now that the seasons are done and Onslaught is in the game, I feel like a much improved Lightfall experience is in the game now. I think you'd have do things slightly out of order to improve the Lightfall experience, but I think it's doable. Just the idea makes me wish there was some sort of director's cut type edit in the form of a campaign mode playlist that runs us in a more effective order. Maybe it can insert Onslaught and season of Defiance missions into the Lightfall campaign missions as well as the Ahsa flashback and even season of the Witch stuff to create the illusion that Calus went to Neomuna but Xivu Arath attacked Earth in the overall fight against the Witness forces.

Shaxx is so raw. How can you hear that last line and not feel confident that he'll keep his word?

I SEE SIVA I CLICK AND HIT THE LIKE BUTTON!!!!

Maybe it's not just SIVA, maybe it's both SIVA AND the Warmind bunkers. SIVA tech combined with Warmind Ikelos weapon tech could be incredible, and if the Neomuni pitch in to help, the last city could end up with weapons combining the technology of the Ikelos weapons, SIVA, the Neomuni's nanite fluid, AND the Black Armory's technology. All of that combined could result in weaponry that is close to exotic weapon power, if not exotic weapons themselves. Imagine that, a whole line of new exotic weapons, all of them made from all that technology. Could even bring a modified version of Warmind cells back that are utilized by the weapons.

There’s an exodus ship in one of the trailers going through the portal in the traveller so I’m thinking you are spot on with that one byf

I’ve never clicked on a video faster than when seeing the SIVA symbol. Thank you Byf!

I felt so bad hearing Byf exploring all these cool elaborate possibilities for Ada-1’s Cosmodrome Plans, when it’s obviously just talking about the Zero Hour Reprisal she will give us 😭 2 Cool Facts about SIVA: Rasputin sent a Ship with an Unnamed Submind and SIVA far outside the Solar System, and we haven’t heard of them since… (and no, it’s not Exodus Black, that’s a Colony Ship) I don’t know why Byf often called the Devil Splicers as trying to “ascend into demigods” is the word ‘Demigod’ ever mentioned in Rise of Iron? I’m pretty certain that the Devil Splicers intentions wasn’t to become xeno Techpriests, rather outright Machine Gods. The badass looking Strike-Exclusive Warlock Bond “Sepiks Deposed Bond” has a description saying “Prime no longer. *No Primes but We.”* The Devil Splicers no longer saw the Servitors as Gods, but rather themselves. Aksis Prime was meant to be the first of many. Personally I’d LOVE for it to be revealed a copy of Atraks-1, Fallen Exo survived, and she found Europe’s SIVA Replication Complex, succeeding where Eramis failed, granting the Fallen freedom from subservience to Light or Dark. Just as Atraks said during the early Eramis era *“I see what the Devils can be.”*

I miss running patrols in the Plague Lands. But also, now I NEED a Redjack spinoff series similar to Star Wars Clone Wars

Siva has needed a comeback for a while. One of my fav things in destiny

I love the lore tab on Elsie Rifle. Lord Shax is the man

I’ve been watching so many of your videos, I really appreciate the time and effort you’ve put into this. I recently started playing and I realized there was a lot of main quest lines missing and the time line feels awkward, so finding you was a relief. I enjoy the game and find the story interesting wish they’d leave the quest lines from d1 in d2

Byf! You speak so clearly that on 1.25 speed, you sound crystal clear. Soothing legend.

Byf: I genuinely think its SIVA The Plaguegang: So you're telling me theres a chance!?

Oh man this one is a real empowering vid. Makes me want to play so much more

Rasputin and the warmind tech, there’s also a weird hive cave above where the seraphim vault is in.

Amazing video as always. What is the music in the background? It’s beautiful and fitting.

One of my favourite videos from u in a while

Maybe Ada is thinking of using Black Armory Forges alongside Seraph Bunkers and SIVA tech to create some sort of Quicksilver/Neomuna like weapons

Back in D1 I always thought that Siva would make a great Kinetic subclass. Now, in D2 with 3 Light, 2 Dark and Prismatic subclasses, i yet again feel like a kinetic subclass would be suitable.

Byf: Is there anything else I’m missing? Me: Pocket Infinity

Damn it you knew what you were doing giving false hope u were talking about siva. Then to bring it out at the end brilliant great vid ❤🎉

I didn’t know that lore about the crucible maps. Kinda neat. Thank you!

tbh given the context i kinda just thought they meant khvostov. But my beloved ada-1 returning to the scene as a siva monarch would make me very happy

This makes sense as she is going to be the person giving us the Zero Hour quest stuff as well

Bungie's ultimate plan was to bring BRAVE and unsunset weapons back so that we're finally powercrept enough to reasonably bring back SIVA.

Banger video Byf!!

Hey Byf, can you make a video before the final shape that essentially explains the teams. Like who's on what side, where is each character right now, who's fighting for what at this exact moment in the story?

Imagine a season of siva after the final shape where you can pick a foundry and pledge support to it throughout the season and try to get as much siva stuff for them as possible.

I get so emotional with Byf’s outro

- Siva May return Me: - Don't... Don't give me hope

SIVA MENTIONED

Shaxx and his history/lore is some of my favourite content in the game, even tho i dont normally engage with the crucible, he reamins my favourite character in the game

Byf, the D1 veterans always remember the plaguelands. Felwinters Peak, becoming Young Wolves, hating getting stomped by those enemies so you go to the Cosmodrome to stomp Light Level 5 enemies.. (at least, that's what I did to make me feel better..😂)

Episode 1: Echoes Echoes in this context could represent the past something that previously was of interest something that could be used even now and S.I.V.A. would fit this description

Fun note for those red jacks, Shaxx used them to take a fleet of Red Legion ships back in the day.

“On my oath, these walls will never fall again.” Somehow that hit me in the feels slightly.

Now I'm definitely going to do Onslaught.

i think ada is mentioning the khvostov in that lore tab. Because when a weapon is designed by a military. it's called a program.

Ahh, TSLAYP. What a wonderful series. Immediately knew what was meant by "The Cursed Enemy."

Lord Shax had alot of help with creating those brave weapons. Lord Shax i hope get an opportunity to fight in a cutscene i want to see his moves.

If I had any say in D3, I would have a large part of it be about pushing out to new frontiers and a multifaction arms race with all the tech and power just all over the system. The Black Fleet will still exists regardless of what happens to the Witness. There is also still Golden Age tech dormant out there. That lore card sounds like the first stepping in that direction

The only reason why I don’t think it’s the revival of the exodus program or the activation of the last array is because who she is suggesting this to. If it was the Vanguard, that would be the best option but it’s representatives of weapon foundries. Therefore it’s either ikelos tech or everyone’s personal favorite being the reclaimation of SIVA

ya know that might explain why ada is the quest holder for the zero hour quests she's having us gather siva nanties while upgrading the outbreak perfected

I don't know if the return of SIVA is super likely, but damn I hope so. SIVA is such a cool technology and I'd love to see it make a comeback. I feel like there's a lot of interesting things you can do with SIVA- obviously there's the entire Saladin & the Iron Lords dynamic- which also means Caiatl's Ascendancy may have strong opinions about using the tech. But there's also the House of Light and its Sacred Splicers, the cautious optimism of "maybe we can control it this time," and hey, maybe even the Neomuni could give us some pointers on how to wield nanotech responsibly. SIVA is just a well of potential IMO and I hope Bungie does something with it.

the most important thing in the cosmodrome is OBVIOUSLY Shaw Han (he will solo the witness)

"Is there something I'm missing in the Cosmodrome?" *Shaw Han dramatically enters*

Honestly all the things left behind in cosmodrome you laid out are valid points that may be a part of one or multiple episodes, maybe not the ones we’re gonna get this year but maybe the year after. Also can we get siva versions of black armory, Ikelos and seraphin weapons? Please Bungie!

We definitely need to secure Siva. I've been thinking about Siva for the entirety of D2 because it is a HUGE asset capable of so many things. I'm also worried that Clovis Bray might try and get ahold of Siva because that would work perfectly with him... Clovis takes the spot of Rasputin and commands Siva. I would like to see all those programs come back to life and if we defeat the Witness, humanity can have a second golden age. Anyways, great video Byf!!

Imagine an episode with a set of siva inspired black armory weapons and armor. On top of wrath of the machine coming back. Thats a wet dream and a half.

Itd be really neat if Ada had help from the Cloudstrider/Neomuni & updated the Last City’s architecture, the Tower with a look like Neomuna would be really cool

I hope we see some grand form of Siva action during the battle with Witness and turning Siva from dreaded thing to a usable tech in future of Destiny...

The resjacks are spooked

Dying at even Byf calling it a scaled back Recluse

Im glad im not the only one wondering about siva. The fact being that sunsetting makes it really hard to flesh out the world. I miss the RoI days and grinding wrath of the machine. Lore wise that would be *really good* considering we only have the 1 siva weapon

There’s also the other body in the stasis pods that the ghost says has an a really large amount of light

the Siva theory is on point. That raid is the next one to be released for the collection of D1 raids. so plan on taking on the Archon once more Guardians.

I honestly think the weapon foundries are actually going to find the original khvostov factory introduce a whole line of legendary khvostov weapons

Hopefully we get more answers in the zero hour exotic mission

Aiding in securing SIVA would be an excellent way for Mithrax as a Splicer to help in, and fortifying his survivability.

imagine SIVA upgraded black armoury forges, the weapons made with something like that could be insane, let alone any cabal or eliksni tech we could combine with SIVA, hell just imagine using SIVA to make some kind of massive flagship combining the strengths of all parts of the coalition and if and when we defeat the witness, maybe we could use SIVA to repurpose pyramid tech, the possibilities are endless.

@12:34 Or the rebirth of siva and the replication complex

“There are so few ballet fans left, Guardian. It'd be a shame not to re-boot him".

I think one more really short season or side story should happen before the final shape, with the objective of establishing command over siva. Could be like one of the old community events where guardians need to complete tasks to lets say like "purify" siva.

I know it was just an Easter egg but that potential guardian in a pod that was referencing Master Chief that wanted to sleep just a bit longer. And any other potential guardians that haven’t been claimed yet in the cosmodrome… *cough* Amanda *cough*

I think the use of those exodus ships will connect Destiny with Marathon

The Cosmodrome could very well be a boon for humanity if post Final Shape, that place could become the 2nd city or a major hub if the Vanguard can make big push to truly secure it for humanity and it's allies....the possibilities are endless.

Mithrax using Siva to upgrade Eliksni weapons to help fight in the Traveler and beyond or going into a Taniks style super mode. Gosh I want that so bad.

Remember the Exodus Ship inside the Traveler? That one scene from the Trailer? Maybe that has something to do with it as well?

Idk if this fits the bill, but the first thing my mind went to with "Cosmadrome Project" was warmind cell tech. That would be a weapon/tech that was gotten rid of.

Redjacks are only used as _backup_ when clearing potential crucible arenas, guardians are always in charge. Redjacks are also deployed in massive amounts and even then, barely any manage to survive combat. And let's not forget, Drifter himself told us that it takes 100 redjacks to kill a single Hive Knight. Although tbh, I'm not sure even 200 redjacks could manage that. Every time we enter Onslaught, we follow a handful of redjacks to the objective and they immediately die to basic fodder enemies. Redjacks are practically useless and Shaxx needs to consider upgrading them.

Something I thought about when you were talking about Elsie and her relationship with time. Elsie saw many versions of this war in each of the timelines she visited, but does the Witness have this same level of knowledge? Does he know each way he destroyed humanity in every timeline? In order to either maximize human suffering and/or not use the same tactic twice so as to avoid someone like Elsie being able to stop him. I wonder if the Witness has any control over time at all, or is even aware of it. I know super powerful beings aren’t always aware of time in the same way we are, as being immortal lends a certain care free attitude towards time. It’s also entirely possible you’ve made a video about this that I’ve missed…