So... About Destiny 3... Where might we go? Who might our enemy be? 

Last time I was this early, we'd stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars.

Having the Nine be the primary antagonistic force in the D3 universe would be phenomenal imo. Them using the guardians, the Vanguard, and all the enemy factions as game pieces in a massive campaign for their own amusement would be fitting. A game within a game if you will.

I believe that Clovis Bray will be a great villain for the future, mainly due to issues related to the VEX, his hatred for the guardians, the traveler and his aspirations to become a God. Being an AI in fact, Clovis, could at one time or another escape into the VEX network and become a big problem, in addition to the factor having created the EXOs from a mixture of VEX and "darkness", his studies could even cause the VEX create a new division where they can actually manipulate Light and Dark as basic elements of the universe to ensure the survival of the species.

One of the things I want to see, is the Places the Drifter spoke about duirng season of the deep, where he mentioned he had to kill his own group to survive. With it being too dangerous out there, meaning theres greater evils than what we are already facing, the great beyond

I honestly think Bungie making The Nine the new big villains would be interesting

I’ve always thought the idea of fighting either Shin Malphur or the Shadows of Yor to be an interesting story for a expansion

Considering how little we’ve actually seen of them and how large they loom over the future, I think the Vex are the most logical main enemy faction for Destiny 3. I can see us helping Caitel rise to her throne, finding a new home for the Eliksni, finishing off, or at least creating a non-aggression pact with Savathun and Xivu-Arath, but none of those really seems to fit a full scale, “call all Guardians” or type of conflict in the same way a final confrontation with the Vex would be. Regardless of who we end up facing and when, I really hope we get to travel outside of Sol!

I think Clovis Bray, with control over the vex would be an interesting threat, that gives the vex a face and voice

You left out the most important villain of them all - Our lord and savior Kelgorath!

Byf, I’m sorry to say but you forgot a major villain who could be in the lineup as Destiny 3’s big bad. That being high Bungie executives.

Other potential plot lines not mentioned in this video: - Ancient, powerful Taken; the Perfect Raven, Primus A’arn, Chelchis, Kell of Stone, “Primevals,” and the entire worlds Taken and Blighted by Oryx. - The ice planet and the Light-suppressing creatures Drifter found on it. - the Location of the Derelict Leviathan - The Worm Gods - Oryx’s mindless but living body now in Vanguard containment. - Whether Nokris still lives - Clovis Bray - Jana-14, the Weapons of Sorrow, Shadows of Yor, and Shin Malphur. - Praedyth and the simulated Ishtar scientists “escaping” from the Vex network. - Skira, the Watcher

Oryx is a possible plot point, if not a possible antagonist. Its very unlikely, but considering the lore around his body states that it is undergoing a very slow mending process, it's not technically impossible for Oryx to come back as some kind of foe down the line He probably wouldn't be the same though, maybe a very powerful pawn of another antagonist

Honestly 3 locations that we know of could be fundament, Torobatal and rii’s other than that they would have to make entirely new planets and probably enemies too cause I don’t think 3 planets will be enough for a new Destiny game.

Having Xivu be the next villain would be so amazing. Maybe after the Witness is destroyed, we go with Caiatl to the Ascendant Plane to retrieve Torobatl only to find that Xivu Arath has taken up residency on the planet and is maybe trying to turn it into her new Throne World. Hell, maybe we encounter a group of rebel Cabal who were on Torobatl when it was pulled into the Ascendant plane, real traditionalist types that clash with the more progressive Caiatl. Point is, lots of fun narrative beats you could hit with an expansion like that.

The Nine and the Aphelion are the two that interest me the most since they’ve never been seen in-game before, with Lysander a close third. What about the remaining worm gods though?

I think the most likely villain of Destiny 3 is a new enemy race entirely. I imagine we'll leave Sol and they'll have new powers and abilities to do a complete refresh and reset

if i remember correctly, back in season of the splicer wasn't there a thing of dialogue from mithrax talking about some nightmare/ boogeyman type of character that haunted the eliksni on riis, like wayyy before the whirlwind. that could be a possibility for an eliksni antagonist in d3, the prevention of the final shape could awaken that creature like how ghauls attempt on stealing the light had got the witness to start making its move

Remember when Savathun was breaking the 4th wall basically saying she knows she is in the Destiny Universe, n is trying to leave. Would love to see peak dimension/universe hopping Sava

Obviously the right track to go here is making Taniks the main antagonist of Destiny 3 to really contine his rise up the ranks. From recurring Strike Boss, to Raid Boss, and then even to a main game-launch campain antagonist.

If there are any Fallen enemies in D3, there could only really be one. Let us never forget the true terror of the Eliksni that should turn up at some point. Randal the Vandal will be in D3, possibly Taniks too.

one thing i’ve always hoped to see at some point in destiny’s lifespan is us expanding our reach into the stars. it’s always been hinted that during the golden age we were on track for just that before the collapse. it would truly be full circle and forward-facing to explore distant worlds and alien civilizations. we could go to torabatl, the eliksni homeworld, honestly any of the enemy home planets would be interesting. the origin of the vex leaves a lot of possibilities, similarly to the origin of the witness. there’s so much more beyond our system and i would love to see us get there one day. maybe D3 takes place after a timeskip of some sort allowing colonization

If there are seven Ahamkara still alive it would be a great way to bring Lady Efrideet more heavily into the story, allowing the Iron Banner to continue with Lord Saladin gone to the Cabal home world if we dont go to help or at least dont go to help immediately

Man I remember pre-ordering this series when I was 15, can’t believe it’s still going

What you said about the potential New Great Hunt with the 7 ahamkara reminded me about how the new subclasses could have something to do with that old strand hunter concept art where the hunter pictured summons a spirit-dragon of some kind. Maybe ahamkara magic?

Thank you for so much entertainment over the years Byf, with hopefully many many more to come! 😁

I’ve been thinking over the past couple days, what about The Architects as the villains? They could potentially be the beings that created all life in the universe and have shaped events for their benefit

The idea of the "dragons" is a pretty solid idea for many seasons of story and play. But I would like to see the possibility of Guardians turning on the Traveler and the Light.

18:08 A great way for Nezarec to return in massive spectacle of power and dread would be for him to reclaim his buried pyramid ship, have it tear through the caverns and resurface above the moon. An ancient looming threat hanging above Earth’s sky, a scar on the moon clear as day. A painful reminder that he hasn’t forgotten us.

I really badly want that concept art of the moth faction to become a reality, not only because moths are awesome, but it could have mechanics tied to light and dark

Eliksni... I'm interested in their past, their land, and Ermis and her future journey

I think the nine, especially with their aesthetic, would be pretty cool villains. Prophecy was one of the most visually impressive dungeons imo that could make for really interesting raid encounters.

I’m a big fan of the idea of the war over the cabal home world. Big open world where we can conquer and take over places sounds awesome in premise. With Xivu finally being a big final raid boss.

I’ve always thought that simply the vex could make a great next antagonist, there’s supposedly entire star systems out there that have completely artificial planets and stars in the heart of their territory that mass produce vex on a unfathomably large scale, the vex that we fight aren’t even the main forces and are more like scouts, workers and religious zealots, if something like the vault of glass is on the edge of their territory then imagine what we could find the further we go into it’s centre. There is much more for the vex to offer to us as an enemy and I think it would be really cool to see, and they’re just my favourite faction so I always love anything that they’re apart of.

How could you forget Kelgorath?! 😜

What got me into destiny lore was in reading the quote attached to Young Alhamkara's spine, finding out was an Alhamkara is and then reading quote attached to Sealed Alhamkara grasps. Reading that Lil "O' guardian mine" at the end gave me chills dude.

Every time you say “clarity” I imagine a vine boom and Clovis bray appearing on screen

I think Destiny 3 should have Xivu Arath as the main villain. Have a plot where she takes up the witness mantle. Some weird darkness light fusion and she becomes super powerful. It can be on the Cabal home world and introduce all the species the cabal has assimilated into their ranks.

Story pitch: Spy thriller story arc with political intrigue, secret agents infiltrating the last city, rogue guardian spies, a looming coup/uprising from within the last city, not knowing who to trust, betrayal and twist reveals, and a big reveal that there has been a hidden evil right under our noses for far longer than we’d like to admit; Lysander and the Concordat running things without us realising. It would be amazing. The most threatening non-paracausal enemy we may yet face.

That ambiant music from D1 was magical soothing after a long day at work.

I really like the idea of 7 vengeful Ahamkara being aligned against the 7 of Riven's brood. Even better if you blur the lines- have some of Riven's clutch break away from Mara, have their own feelings about being raised by their broodmother's jailer. And have some of the escapees be more sympathetic- one could be like Taranis, or they could simply wish to be left alone and not come back to fight us. There's a lot of potential there, but it would necessitate fleshing out entirley new Ahamkara characters, which is a lot for one plotline even were it to expand beyond an initial campaign with some of them being important later on.

One minute ago is crazy

Perhaps an enemy bent on revenge? The powers at be have left an enormous path of destruction in their quest to catch the traveler. or the actual Darkness or even Light, something primordial.

A tantalizing lore hint I would like to see elaborated on is the unknown entities known as the Dreaming, who are connected in some way with the will of the Awoken people and after whom the Dreaming City was named. It could tie in well with a plotline involving the Distributary...

The moment Riven had us running collecting her clutch of eggs i knew we had potentiol for d3 as ahamkara wishes come with curses 🤞

Imagine if, Destiny 3 opens up with a race selection screen that includes Cabal, Hive, and Fallen options due to the Traveller granting the light to more races, and each race gets it's own "intro mission" of awakening as a guardian

Project payback really needs to be a prequel. A look back into the time of Warlords, but also allow us to be other races during their crucial moments as well to really expand on lore that has not received proper spotlight.

I thought it’d be kind of cool if we got a prequel character shooter about Zavala, Ikora, and Cayde. A single player campaign about before our guardian got revived, where you play as each of them and they have skill trees that you upgrade. We play missions that we’ve heard about in lore pages

I think my main point of contention is that continuously, Bungie surprise us with something or someone we've never seen or heard of until the expansion/game reveal. Think about it. We didn't know about the Red Legion. About the Scorn. Hive Lightbearers. Stasis. Neomuna. If/when Destiny 3 is revealed, it's gonna be with an entirely new thing that we weren't expecting.

What if Dark Timeline versions of good characters invade our universe? If Elsie Bray could figure it out, why couldn’t Clovis figure it out and make a connection to it? Honestly, wish dragons could probably do this as well. Even the Vex could be the primary conduit for this new enemy!

Well, imagine a super saiyan 3 witness throwing error codes at the guardian while saying the f word

Honestly an Ahamkara villain for a main campaign would go hard. Imagine one of your allies say something off hand like "I almost wish this wasn't as easy" and then for the entire game and it's mechanics begin to break. Honestly, for D3 you need to have a story that grazes past the fourth wall like that, and yes I'm talking on the level of 999 truth to power.

I just cannot get enough of these videos, man. It’s something about how he words his explanations and his voice that just captivates me. That and the fact he isn’t just loud and annoying for no reason or throwing out completely absurd theories lol.

I think it would be more interesting if they made a spinoff game. Maybe something like "the forest" where you are a regular human trying to survive in an island infested with hive and other races

While I would seriously love to see destiny follow a narrative of fighting other guardians, I really hope a destiny 3 doesn’t exist

I think the perfect segue into Destiny 3 would be to pull back the curtain on what the Light and Darkness actually are, and what the Traveler and the Veil actually are, only to find they're tools and forces used by things even bigger and stranger than we ever thought possible.

I would love to go beyond our system and see and visit new people and places. However, after our focus turns to the Vex, I begin to wonder if we can traverse more than just space...

I'm still interested in dredgen yor and if he has any other evil guardian just imagine good vs evil guardian fighting each other like a true faction type battle

A evil guardian faction would be dope, like the first handful of risen are hunting those that use light or dark, or have the traveler be the good guy and his creator is the real villain

What i want from Destiny 3 -Cabal Warbeast raid/strike boss. like Dukino's Mom or Skagzilla in Borderlands, not pleasure gardens -exploring beyond the solar system -Evil Guardian race (a sect of guardians who abandoned Eris and Elsie's guidance with stasis during Beyond light and embraced the dark future in the unveiling(?) lore book) -the ahamkara eggs we saved for riven and the one from Season of the witch grow up and lend us a small bit of power (like getting Seasonal Artifact Version 2 or somethin crazy, or granting season of wish cards/season of deep ahsa gifts over a wider area of the game) -someone who is equal in power to lore accurate guardians, who also wields light and dark, who is also NOT AN ALLY (for a standoff equal to Goku and Vegeta) -vex enemy/boss with a voice. The vex need an oryx or a calus. -bungie to give Fastball the Traction treatment and just fold that fucking mod into our gameplay by default. i played on console for half a decade, Traction was NECESSARY to feel good with movement, having grenades be thrown like cornhole sacks is a slap in the face to what it means to be a guardian

I love the idea of 7 leaders that turn out to be the Ahamkara. They come to us as seemingly wise members of different races and factions.

The only thing I can think of for D3 is something to do with that fungi we found on the presage

I think a civil war-esc story would be interesting, give people the option to either side between the city or the factions/Lysander, make crucible into a battleground where folks pledged to the city are on one side and factions on the other

My hopes are that Destiny 3 will be a complete refresh; new guardian, and new timeline to explore. In example, took place during the times of the Iron Lords, get to play through the rise of Siva, introduce Felwinter, It would be so good.

I love the idea of fight the seven ahamkara. Like what if the vex are granted a wish from one of them that lets them simulate or use paracausal forces. Or what if we get to raise of rivens kids and instead of a sparrow we get a dragon mount. That would be sick

10:30 what if another way for the Nine to persist, is to fight us? this story could be similiar to the hives sword-logic, meaning that the Nine would have to fight us to stay alive.

So many great ideas, my imagination is brewing. Thanks for the inspiration

I would love for Destiny 3 to feature us on the offensive. We take back the Cabal home world. We find and conquer a real home for the Eleksni. We establish a home outside of the Reef for the Awoken. We push the Vex out of Sol, and make them play existential defense for the first time. Keep up the great work :D

I've got a personal theory storyline that I have that's not likely to be the case. It would take a while, but I'll summarize. Sorry for length. -it gets confirmed the Ascendant Plane was the Garden and it's just an empty husk of what it was. -Traveler/Veil was a type of dimension-style creation engine (like a dimensional terraformer) connected to the Ascendant Plane. -Their separations split caused an implosion/explosion that devastated and separated matter/consciousness within the Ascendant plane, while causing the Big Bang on the other side flooded with remnants of the Garden and formed dimensional pockets. (Read The Anomaly lore) -The Deep is a pocket that was created and filled with countless consciousnesses of the Ascendant Plane that swirled and became one/a few powerful beings without material form. They told the Witness how to become what they are. -The Distributary is a pocket of matter and potential, but had no minds or consciousnesses to form and create. Just a void until human consciousnesses entered. Mara being the first to awaken, form, set rules, etc. -The Witness is stopped from using the Pale Heart to amplify and send out the Deathsong in place of the Song of Life/Creation. But not before his actual purpose is done. The Deep mind(s) manipulated the Witness, the true Final Shape the Deep wants is crossing and having their own final shape, a body/bodies, a true form of Material existence. -The loop curse in the Dreaming City will be ended and Taken will enter the Distributary. We'll enter and learn that when Mara left it allowed the Deep to whisper in. After Mara left everything went downhill fast. Civil wars broke out, famine, factions, and after a too long a period, the pocket universe itself showed signs of slowly breaking down. Mara was the first in, the first mind, billions of years waited until she made form and rule, structure was her existence. When she left, she took the power of HER creation universe with her. While there she was like a battery pack with a million outlets that kept her strength low, but started to fill once she left.. She'll need to return and we help her try to save and stabilize the Distributary before collapse. A lot more but I've said too much already. Too weird? Not weird enough? Thoughts? Much love and have a good one.

Lysander coming back and starting a guardian civil war would be so cool man theres so much they could do with that

I still think that a whole dlc should have been dedicated to the slaughtering of Ahamkara. It's a pretty major plot point. That we just skimmed over

Id personally love to have the Nine as the antagonists for a while. They are so mysterious and just, unknown, that I'd love to see them be the center of something for a change

I think there's also a possibility we get a Ghaul situation for D3. As in they just invent a new big bad and story. Thing about fiction is you can just create whatever you want as long as it doesn't conflict with existing lore. So it's entirely possible we face a new enemy and story we've not even heard of yet

Heres a potentially crazy “plot twist”… what if the witness going about trying to bring on the Final Shape was just it trying to prepare sol and whatnot for something far worse? The “something far worse” being whats coming in Destiny 3

Not only could the Ahamkaras could involve the Awoken, but also the Nine, the Aphelion, and possibly the Hive. The Hive could mean Nezarec, the Psions, the Cabal. All three story plots could very much be interwoven into one big giant Destiny 3 story.

Perfectly fine to imagine that we might encounter all new enemies as well, we’ve all seen that there a multiple alien species out there that the hive encountered over millions of years, there’s likely more and all might not take us as a threat.

Lysander’s sue for peace could be entirely genuine. The government he rebelled against is effectively no more. The 7 headed structure is down to 2 military leaders who are allied with the Awoken and sects of the Cabal and Eliksni

Im excited to see where the story goes next and what new loot they give.

I think the nine might be one of the key focus for D3, also they maybe even think of bringing siva back or something similar with other race of enemies

A war against the Vex would be interesting. The place on the other side of the vext portal on Europa would be a cool location. Didnt Bungie basicly say the Vex are just waiting out the Light and Dark saga to see who wins?

You mentioning Toland I had that “Omg Toland! He’s still there! Stupid floating orb I totally forgot all about him”

Plot twist, Lysander is a ahamkara since they’re shape shifters and he played the long game working politics with guardians

The thought of having a campaign where you hunt down the last 7 dragons who are crusading against Sol sounds awesome. Same with assisting in Caiatl in retaking the Cabal home world. The latter sounds more like something we'd get in an expansion. My realistic prediction is that the vex will somehow take center stage at the start of D3, and will start to take the mantel of the "main bad guy force" that I feel like the Hive currently have.

Imagine fighting a dragon that is taking a form of a guardian or brother Vance returns from the infinite forest but as a Witness type enemy as he was blind but now he witnessed his own madness through life and death after destroying his other evil self.

It’d be pretty funny if in Destiny 3, we find out not only is Taniks alive and kicking, he also somehow has gained access to the light, and we’d have to deal with him every now and then when he pops out from wherever he’s hiding and causes some trouble for us.

Before even watching past the first minute of the video, I just wanted to say that I kind of hope Destiny 3, or the events after the final shape, would involve us going out of our home system. It would be kind of how I imagined Destiny all those years ago when I first heard about it. A guardian, a defender of the last city, but also an explorer, heading out on new and old fronts. In the past humanity was beginning to expand through the stars in the golden age, and after this major threat, we might be able to do the same thing again. I don't know if I should say I hope for a No Man's Sky experience, but the idea of going out of our system on to new planets is very appealing

to swipe a bit of inspiration from another space series, I think it's time to boldly go where no human has gone before. torobatl and riis might just be steps on that larger journey, perhaps expansion-sized steps. may also be a way to bring mystery back into the series.

Honestly I would like to see the main plot be centered around the Ahamkara but not in the normal: "Go kill the big bad" kind of story. Like you said, they're shapeshifters, so I like the idea of a single Ahamkara infiltrating the tower akin to Savathun but different enough to fool the tower. After that, it becomes more of a chess match than a fight. Maybe in order to get a leg up on the dragons, we sacrifice The Moon before striking at one of their clutches in retaliation. Either that or we potentially end up tricking one of the Ahamkara into giving up "classified" information about the location of a different Ahamkara, to which we then go and slay it from the deception. I think a more clandestine and wetwork-like approach to that story would work wonders.

We've fought hive guardians before, I want a boss fight at the end of a good dlc where we fight an ACTUAL guardian, same abilities that we have and stuff.

I'm telling you though... Toland the Taken King. But yea, the Liberation of Torobatl feels like the best opening shot for a Destiny 3. If anything, the backdrop could be Torobatl and Xivu, with Nezzie showing up to make things worse.

Honestly, first thing that popped in my head when you talk about 7 ahamkara looking to destroy us all? The Legend of Vox Machina.

One interesting story idea I had:Remember that we recovered Oryx's body from the Ghosts of the deep? Whats if Taox returns but she is such a problem that we are forced to resurecct Oryx and convince him to work toghether with Xivu and Savathun to stop Toax her plan.

A Worthy antagonist could be an Evil Guardian.

Just a reminder: the Distributary that the Awoken came from has a "faster" time cycle than what we experience (think of it like one year here could be dozens inside it). That and it can be assumed they have no idea the threat Ahamkara pose... meaning... the children of Riven and Taranis could flee to there and come back in what seems like a very short span of time and be fully grown.

Maya Sundaresh is the key to finally giving the Vex a personality. Really want to see that. Definitely want to see the pursuit of the ahamkara story, especially considering it’s hinted that Saladin has already made his choice to hunt them again.

Something that might be done with Lysander would be setting up shop in a different settlement and inviting the Spider to come live with him, in the process fomenting a schism in House Light.

I'd definitely love to see more about the Distributary, as well as the Aphelion. I don't remember what Driftor said about the Aphelion exactly, but I remember that when I heard/read about it, I was instantly hooked at whatever these extremely dangerous predators could be

I feel that in the Heresy Episode, it's gonna be a three way fight between Us, Xivu, and Toland leaving for a final confrontation of Xivu on Torabatel with our Cabal Allies. However, a kind of Skrull Invasion type fight with Surviving Ahamkara would be incredible!

Let's add to that Nezerec loop which sounds fantastic.... Lysander now is looking for revenge and has taken on leadership role of Nezerec's cult on Earth. He wipes out his old nemesis Executor Hideo also at large and Arach Jalaal and Dead Orbit tip us off on what is happening. Also as a separate thing, it would be interesting to hear more about Drifter's frozen darkness planet.

These stories and lore are really interesting also helps me sleep at night by rewatching some.

Okay so. Destiny 3 Battle on 3 fronts. 1. Caital has been replaced on Torabottle in her absence. 2. A way to disable/destroy the vex has been discovered and they start sending actual battle units in response. 3. Seviu stokes the schism amongst the 9. Cover art : red eye center, caital left, scribe eido center, seviu right. Below the eye, the various allies. In the shadow cast by the red eye a dragon... New character race option, Eliksni....