@@thegamingguy8636 I think there was a lore card that was basically the wish dragons talking to the player and telling us that if we bring them into the real world then they will grant us wishes.
@@thegamingguy8636 yea, there was a piece of lore where they referred ro the guardian and "you" but specified that this "you" and "the guardian" were different people, so the "you" in question was the player
The storytelling for this season is leagues better than what we've had with Lightfall previously. I knew very little about Riven prior to playing through the season quest, and by the end I felt really bad for her and Taranis.
I liked it much more when we didn’t know as much as we did. Bungie keeps answering questions they didn’t need to, now there’s no wonder left in the franchise. I don’t care about Riven anymore. I stopped caring about the ahamkara with Last Wish, because they stopped being these mystical wish granting and shape shifting dragons. Now, here we are again learning that Riven isn’t even the last fucking one. I just don’t care anymore. What are the Hive gods? Who cares, we killed one in a story mission. Who/what is the Traveller running from? Here’s the answer, flat out. What are the ahamkara? Here you go, kill the last one except oops she wasn’t the last one. Who is Nezarec? Who gives a shit, when he was finally “revealed” he had absolutely no presence in the story and his raid sucked. What is the point of being interested and wondering and theorizing when Bungie just answers all of our questions anyway.
@@thelastholdout You know what? Yeah I am. I want to go back to when I still felt like there was a sense of wonder and magic in this setting. And on a serious note, no I don’t think that “I don’t like being told everything and not being left with any questions or theories” is the same as “I want bad storytelling”. I don’t care that the Light and Darkness saga is almost over. I’ve felt this way for a long time. The universe of Destiny has been slowly and slowly answered as we progress, and I’m sick of it. I didn’t want to know that Savathûn was tricked by the Witness. I didn’t need to know what the Witness was. There are some questions I never wanted answer; I wanted the theories and the lore diving and the discussions. No one’s making theories anymore. We’re just explaining the shit Bungie is saying to our faces to people who haven’t been keeping up.
@@Desm0708 see and this is why you aren't making any story telling for any sort of media. They told us these things over years and years of story and right when we're at the end or well right before the end they're giving us answers to what happened everywhere. We were always just fighting things cause teehee we hear its bad so we shoot, but it seems that after all these years WE were at fault numerous times and that just because we wield the light does not mean we are good.
@@Desm0708 so you don't want the story to actually progress? I don't get at all what you are trying to say... Every mistery and question in Destiny would eventually have an answer, since they use those things to expand the world. You know what happened when they threw stuff without explanation in the history? Lightfall. They constantly introduced new things without an answer into the story, talk about them without us knowing what they were in the first place leaving everyone as an idiot and a campaign nobody likes. The problem of having too many misteries is that it will leave people feeling like they are going anywhere with this stuff and they are wasting their time. The main problem is not solving said misteries, it is the writing that mishandles them and leave, like you said, mistakes like Nezarec the pointless villain
I kind of felt bad for Riven after watching this cutscene. She once loved and lost just like a lot of other characters in the game. I think us helping Taranis in Starcrossed made her trust us a little bit more.
I wonder if Riven blames herself for Taranis' death. It was her allying with Oryx that led to Taranis granting his own wish and ending his life after all.
Absolutely. Seeing as the Cabal are now set on killing all Ahamkhara after The Final Shape, I'll guard those eggs myself. No matter what damage they may go on to cause, it will never be right to harm newborn members of any species - especially ones which we almost drove to extinction once before.
bruh ngl this really hit hard, i saw riven with a whole new light, sad seeing taranis passing after all his effort to live a difrent life, and inspiering her to do so, imagine how their spawn would've been a whole new type of ahamkara....
They were very evil and not by nature but by choice. The quote “It Must have Cost him” doesn’t sound to me like it hurt him to help others, it just helped him less than if he were twisting his wishes to harm others like every other Ahamkara. And we see that’s probably the case since in this cutscene, despite what she said, he lived a fine life with everything he needed and even being able to mate and otherwise be fulfilled with Riven. But with all that said, it brings us to the conclusion that an Ahamkara doesn’t have to hurt other people, it’s not part of their nature, it’s a choice they make, a choice they are clearly intelligent enough to understand the consequences of, and yet they still do it anyways. Taranis proves they have had the option to give people what they want without strings attached, and except for him, every Ahamkara instead chose to greedily take more for themselves by harming others. If you make a choice that hurts others to serve yourself, and you have the higher intelligence to understand the consequences, you are choosing to be evil. Every Ahamkara other than Taranis chose to be evil.
@@harrisonhamilton5284 makes sense though when you think about it. Dragons are historically depicted as greedy, they sleep on mounds of gold and gems. Smaug from the hobbit is a great example, he has an entire mountain of treasure and would rather die than give but one coin up.
@harrisonhamilton5284 I believe its explained that Taranis was essentially starving himself to do as he did. Granted the others gorged themselves as they saw fit.
I have zero context for this cut scene, so its like: "Big ugly space monster falls in love and has a family. Big ugly space monster's husband gets murdered by random assholes. Big ugly space monster's people get genocide-d, and big ugly space monster goes into witness protection. And of course, big ugly space monster's space-ghost husband sacrifices himself forever to keep his big ugly space monster babies safe." What a ride.
Unfortunately yea after that massive bungje L that was last season this seasons sacristy been pretty good even for f2p players. Wish bungje would keep it up but they have a ten year track record that shows they won’t
Dude what the fuck.. and my whole life I have loved dragons and for bungie to go and make the only dragon we ever faced in destiny history backstory this heart wrenching is fucking me up. I am happy to know that there are still Ahamkara eggs out there I hope bungie will bring them into destiny 3’s story and we can make right for pulling riven down.
@@dependent-ability8631the Great Hunt didn't happen because the Ahamkara couldn't be trusted - it was because we couldn't be trusted with the wishes they granted. It is never right to commit genocide on a species that is biologically UNABLE to change its nature.
Indiscriminate genocide means we weren’t exactly the good guys either. However, the Ahamkara were way too dangerous to keep around, so their deaths were mostly justified, with some exceptions.
@@dependent-ability8631 yeah but it was also Guardians fault for wanting to make wishes in the first place. We had and still have far more autonomy than most people in the solar system; most folks live on Earth and never leave. Amanda's backstory shows that the majority of people do not possess the means to get off world via spaceship or own one. And even then the risk of death is high, there aren't exactly a lot of places to go that are safe. The Guardians were basically the only ones who could actually reach the Ahamkara since they owned ships and had little reason to fear death. The great hunt happened because Guardians have always craved more than what they had. We saw during the dark age there were very very few good Risen, most being brutal local Warlords that ruled with an iron fist. And some even made wishes back then before the Ahamkara were more widespread. And even during the City era, there's many cases of greedy guardians and outright evil ones.
Its 50/50 on this one, the wish dragons deserved it for being so twisted with the wish effects and guardians, awoken and others where already pretty bad for wanting to make said wishes in the first place.
I mean, it's not so sad -- Riven and all of her kind aside from Taranis lived to torture those who wished to them. They were breathing monkey paws. Not so sad imo. Horrible creatures.
I mean it was their choice to wish from them, no? It's simply the greediness of the people that caused this, it's a bit unreasonable to wipe out and entire species over something that could have been avoided in its entirety by simply not interacting and avoiding them unless you were so desperate that you got to that point. I find myself siding with the villains more often in than the tower as of recent
It's explained that that's how they feed. Ahamkara will literally starve to death if they can't fuck with people's expectations regarding their wishes. Taranis was the first Ahamkara to at least try to do things differently, and it's implied in this very cutscene that that probably wasn't fun for him to deal with.
You know that’s literally how they eat to live. They literally feed on the difference between the expectation of the wish and its Reality. Taranis literally starved himself by taking away that difference and giving people what they want with no strings attached. Where is he now???
Ahamkara aren't inherently malicious. Hefnd's bond with the Warlord Naeem was strong enough for him to willingly curse the House of Kings after they killed her, Taranis never even fed on wishes to begin with, and even Riven appears to have granted multiple wishes with no ulterior motive - the last of which might (big might) have been for Crow, and resulted in Cayde's revival Maybe this new clutch will take after their father.
