Destroying America to "Save" America 

Yup, replaced 'indivisible' with 'under god,' now isn't that a huge tell right there.

@@meh2510 There was division going on at the time with communist parties and such. The commie scare also led to a a defacto scare of atheism even more so than normal, so they replaced it. I don't think it was nefariously done, honestly, just misguided and unconstitutional.

@@meh2510 it isn't quite replaced, they are both in it.

This guy speaking the truth

​@@josiahferrell5022 Even I know that, and I'm an Australian. But that's what over 58 years of being exposed to American culture through the T.V will do you. You don't need to really live in a country to "get to know it's cultural norms" very well.

If America was intended to be a Christian nation, the 1st Amendment would say the NECESSITY to practice Christianity and not the freedom of religion.

@@goaway7346 The DUTY to practise christianity. There would be an initial discussion which forms of christianity but I think the big three would make it into law: Roman-Catholicism, Evangelism and Mormonism.

​@@AntonArmsbergNope...it would be Episcopalian (the Church of England minus the king), where the president would be the pope too, delegated by a cabinet level their own version of Bishop of Canterbury. Mormon and current Evangelical only exist after independent, and Catholic were absolute enemy of American Englishmen (and heretics) of that time.

They did it as a cover up from the fact that even then they knew religion was a foolish joke thats why secretly the law is freedom FROM religion that way the government can't cut off your head for not believing in gawd like Iran does

@@AntonArmsberg Mormonism wasn't a thing when the Constitution was written. It never could have happened because Smith would have been arrested and possibly executed for blasphemy right out of the gate.

They make money 😂

@@wendwllhickey6426 They TAKE money.

Haven’t heard it put like this but I’m thankful to have found it now!

But muh Islamic republic.

Shouldn't trust a living ass to begin with

At first I thought you where calling yourself a Child Christian Hypocrite... If you put a comma after "child", I would have known you meant when you were a child, you found Christian hypocrisy a turn off. lol Sometimes just having a comma makes a difference.

Not only that, but the first commandment directly goes against the first amendment

@@ethanwinters7829 yes, a 2,000 year old book doesn't make any mention of a 250 year old nation. Brilliant insight.

@@markzuckergecko621 True, but that is the insanity of the claim that America is the the kingdom of God and that its appropriate to teach the bible in schools

@@BuddyWudzyn the Bible has more academic value than teaching kids that men can get pregnant and socialism will totally work this time, just ignore the millions of people it's killed and dozens of countries it destroyed.

Electrolytes its what plants crave!

That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking. The people that are happy about this ruling are the same ones that were rioting on Jan 6th saying the government is corrupt, American democracy is being challenged and our freedoms are being taken away. But now it’s cool i guess because the guy we like is benefiting from it 😀.

They want a very dense government!

“When highly committed parties strongly believe [in] things that they cannot achieve democratically, they don’t give up on their beliefs - they give up on democracy. - David From

@@IRGeamer Democracy will always prevail. Always.

​@@OceanusHeliosI wish that was always true but look at North Korea, Russia and Iran.

We need more like you.

Good you should be against it its bad for you too since any denomination that takes power would immediately outlaw all the others. You need freedom from religion to have freedom to practice it too.

Sooo still brainwashed then?

@@ThirtytwoJ Time and place.

As Madison noted in a letter to Edward Livingston (1822), "religion & Govt. will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." Theocracy corrupts both government and religion.

Keep pop blind

Love that! Its absolutely true.

Huh. It actually was him. Cool. Makes great quotes.

Also - religion began when the first king met the first priest and asked “How do I get those nitwits to die for me?”

Voltaire never said it. Voltaire did say something similar in a letter to Frederick II of Prussia in December 1740, "May we not return to those scoundrels of old, the illustrious founders of superstition and fanaticism, who first took the knife from the altar to make victims of those who refused to be their disciples?"

​@@charlesbrowne9590In Sumer, the priests were around for centuries before the first secular king. Though the kings later claimed they'd been around for two hundred thousand years.

I relate.

Preachers clearly lie. Not 1 religious 'leader' will defend their own status, let alone others.

Freed ur mind a couple of times…nice.

I read it for the smut.

There is a guy who makes videos pointing out the verses of the antichrist for Christians and comparing it to trump, there are a couple of video's the last had 25 points, its not bad.

Thank you for showing a sense of reason.

I dont know what trump has to do with this, but to me they seem all terrible. Every single one of them. The worst US president so far was probably Abraham Lincoln given he enslaved the south. Instead, i propose that democracy needs to be rejected and liberty embraced. "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." -Lysander Spooner

HE is a PRODUCT, a puppet to dance for it's master.

Hopefully, the losses of the far right (after winning the first round of voting easily and waking up the left) in France in the second round will happen in the US as well.

That would be the dream, but what I currently see is that people are quite happy to have their economic situation worsen if it means their god appointed leader is ruling over them.

​@@Kleyguerth Until their god appointed leader decides and proclaims he is god himself!

And it is in the bible!

I've never heard anyone argue that teaching slavery in history is woke.

Thats a strawman if I've ever heard one.

@@saytax You've never heard of Florida?

@@Evil_Teddy In 2022 the Republicans in the Arizona legislature introduced HB 2112. Among the bill's provisions were forbidding any teaching of concepts including "AN INDIVIDUAL SHOULD FEEL DISCOMFORT, GUILT, ANGUISH OR ANY OTHER FORM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL DISTRESS BECAUSE OF THE INDIVIDUAL'S RACE, ETHNICITY OR SEX." as well as "ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT, MERITOCRACY OR TRAITS SUCH AS A HARD WORK ETHIC ARE RACIST OR SEXIST OR WERE CREATED BY MEMBERS OF A PARTICULAR RACE, ETHNIC GROUP OR SEX TO OPPRESS MEMBERS OF ANOTHER RACE, ETHNIC GROUP OR SEX." Now imagine that a kid in a social studies class asks a question like "why is it that black families on average have only 2% of the household wealth of white families?" If the teacher tries to explain the long-term effects of 350 years of slavery, segregation, Jim Crow, and discrimination, they might make white kids feel bad...which breaks the law, so can't even start on any of that. On the other hand, without that, the only other possible thing the teacher can say is some version of "white people have worked harder," which violates another part of the same law. The intent, clearly, was to intimidate teachers into not getting into any such issues...censoring reality to suit the ideological desires of one party. There are people out there actively trying to do what puckerings mentioned.

Zeus was a very jealous sun god.

@@2l84me8 and the bible contradicts itself consistently throughout it. Christian beliefs contradict their own God, God contradicts himself in the bible completely. 1st contradiction and most notable is that the biblical figure of God, apart from the beginning of genesis, and all that he did has absolutely nothing to do with the role of being a Creator. From the slaughter of the Philistines to the death of the Canaanites to the flood of Noah to the plagues of Egypt. None of that stuff had anything remotely related to the role of one who calls himself the Creator of all things. The source and maker of life itself would not become an arbiter of death and destruction, especially not just to prove a point to someone. 2nd contradiction: Your deeds can't earn your way into Heaven. This is contradicted throughout the bible. Constantly it is said the your deeds cannot get you into heaven yet they can condemn you to hell? Redemption is all about what your deeds can do and in the matters of the final judgement mankind is to stand and be held accountable for the deeds of their life, it said specifically in the gospel of John that the final judgement shall herald a great accounting for all our deeds. So that is heavily contradictive to what we are led to believe. 3rd contradiction. Man is born of the original sin. This has been an argument for eons. That man is imperfect and unclean in God's eyes who is the Pinnacle of perfection and immaculate of sin. Even the AI platforms define him as a symbol of good so no wrong can exist in him. This whole thing is contradictive. If it were true then God would not command his creations to kill one another, he wouldn't have flooded the earth or killed the firstborn of Egypt. Also the birth of Jesus was a symbolic statement that was supposed to denounce this belief of man being born of sin because of the fornication their parents. His immaculate conception defied this belief proving that their law was not inspired or commanded by God but upheld and designed by men to maintain control over their beliefs through fear. That was why they sought to kill Jesus at birth because he defied their control.

Separation of church and state!

@@Stormstorm1 ...Is the first thing they want to get rid of, naturally bc what they want is a Christian nation. Who is they? Todays Christian Nationalists, the coalition of far right, prosperity doctrine evangelicals - The Federalist Society, who'se head Leonard Leo joined the Trump transition team and handed Trump a list from which he chose 3 SCOTUS pics with the express guarantee to overturn Roe v wade, they and the Heritage Foundation along with hundreds of like minded non-profit groups who generate billions to spread influence in govt and stack courts. They know DJT has not a religious bone in his body and they ckoose to disregard the fact bc he's a useful idiot that will do their bidding, pure mutual interest, they use their $ and influence to get him elected. This hypocrisy is done to achieve their repressive, regressive authoritarian and theocratic aims for the US. - Shine a light on these cockroaches! No to Protect 25, Trumpism and all christo-fascists.

The people of the time were religious. Not in a way we would consider religious today, they held their own beliefs and cultures. To say "the bible inspired" is disingenuous. What would be more arcuate is to say is the men of the time had SOME of their beliefs inspired from religious teachings and SOME of those beliefs were carried over into the constitution. We must resist the urge to judge history based on what we know now. 400 years ago you would probably have very different beliefs than you do now.

What about the commandment about not wearing mixed fabrics or eating shrimps?

Absolutely true❤

So would most evangelicals - they have other gods such as Trump and their own lust for power and thirst for revenge.

​@@mainely8007They worship the Golden Calf.

@@joca6282literally! Remember the golden trump statue? 😃

Same Alex, I complain about this country all the time but it is our country and I want better for us.

@@chelseawilliams8588 I couldn’t have said it better myself!

What I'm terrified about is my religious family's inability to allow me to achieve autonomy and think for myself without filtering any of it through the bible or the faith.

I genuinely think I'm going to not have a country anymore in my lifetime. Maybe democracy is a failed experiment, maybe there's no way to make it work without it falling to fascism within 400 years. It happened to Rome too--theirs lasted about a long as ours did before their first Civil War and then their fell to Ceasar and his successors within 400 years of its founding. Maybe constitutional monarchies are the most stable form of government and that's what everyone should adopt.

​@@fingerboxeshey, I just wanted to point out that your comment describes a self-fullfilling prophecy. Even if we miraculously knew exactly, and objectively, which form of governance is most stable, that still wouldn't make that form the best. Now "the best" might be a tad bit subjective, but I believe it would encompass the most well known principles/values of the American Constitution: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. To achieve them we would indeed need a rather stable form of governance. But its stability is not the only necessary characteristic, nor does it alone guarantee the achieving of the aforementioned. It is my belief that democracy, with all its faults, is still the "best" form of governance in order to achieve the 3 fundamental principles as presented above. But, democracy per definition, requires a great amount of effort continuously by all citizens. We are the ones fighting for our rights, established through democracy, so we can achieve the 3 fundamental principles. You admitting defeat is exactly what opponents of democracy want, in order for them to gain more power and trample all over your rights. By giving up on democracy, it weakens and falters, which then people observe and interpret as its inherent nature, which then motivates them even less to engage, in fight for democracy, choosing disregard it for some other regime. I cannot guarantee you, and it evidently hasn't been the case historically, that some sort of monarchy would be more stable or better for you, me and the people in general, than what we have now.

that's hard to tell, because outside of religion things are also pretty horrible All that feminism, gynocentrism and pedocentrism , insane mistreatment of men and boys.

@@georgem2334 a little less than 90% of the world is religious in some capacity, I don't think you should start your victory lap yet.

Did you see what the head of the heritage foundation said the other day? They are moving towards a second revolution. It will be bloodless as long as the left obeys. Find it and watch yourself.

Its always stated religion will go out in a bang.

@@deltaxcdFeminism addresses what men face too btw

The US constitution and the Confederate constitution were identical aside from allowing the federal govt to ban slavery.

​@@lochnessspeedwerkz6557 that's not true at all. Go actually read it.

@@beefortebrea9386 I did. It is true. Its obvious YOU havent read them.

Well said sir! The Confederacy lasted for 5 years and wanted to keep human beings as property to be abused at will.

I thought we were 49th

They're in a fierce race to the bottom with Texas and the entire Deep South

@@meh2510 There's a lot of competition to reach and hold the bottom. Oklahoma will have to try harder.

Good luck. Louisiana isn't going to make it easy to reach the bottom.

Nevada has you beat

Another one: “If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered, then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days.” -Deuteronomy 22:28-29

This is JEWISH LAW - the old testament.

Jewish Law... so why other countries ever need to follow this law?? So Christians can also actually ignore the Old Testament!

@@arkology_city I wish you were honest, but Jesus Christ disagrees with you in the New Testament: ““Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.” - Matthew 5:17-18

AAAAYY-MEN!! (But not women!!!)

And now who literally has a rewrite ready to go.

They have a vested interest in creating a large and ignorant population in order to use them for their own profit. No humanity here.

It's been attributed to Sinclair Lewis, but it's not clear that he said it, however he had said many things like that. Eugene V. Debs did say "Every robber or oppressor in history has wrapped himself in a cloak of patriotism or religion, or both."

Yep, no one's entirely sure who said it and there are several variations with different wording. A very apt quote for the current state of affairs, all the same.

Read his book “ It Will Never Happen Here.”

@@steveOCalley Welcome to Wackyland "It can happen here" Population: 341.5 million nuts and a slippery orange squirrel

"Consider this the second American revolution... it will be bloodless as long as the left allows it to be." - President of the Heritage Foundation (the "gold seal" approval body for ALL republican judge appontees since the 80's) about the 2025 project

who cares? They also wanted a slave owning nation where only land owning men voted. They're not the gods of mt olympus, and just because 'we always did it this way', or some deference to dead ancestors, is a terrible reason to justify anything. Sure, they did, but we can use actual reasons for why that should be the case, instead of a knee jerk:"Dead people said so!" so mic drop.

@@akbarsdesign No, because they know how horrible theocracies are.

​@@akbarsdesignI'm gonna need a citation on that one

@@akbarsdesignLol. Most of the founders were Deists.

They meant the Catholics. We are a protestant nation.

They love limiting the government's power to improve ordinary people's lives. They'll happily vote against every measure to provide aid and support to their fellow citizens, and then turn around and take credit for that aid and support (when Dems pass it) to their constituents.

“When highly committed parties strongly believe [in] things that they cannot achieve democratically, they don’t give up on their beliefs - they give up on democracy. - David From

The left and the right are just the exact same shit in America doing the same things and worshipping Israel.

@@IRGeamer When fools listen to monsters...the world burns. -History

Contradiction: equals child like mind

what country is that?

Are you brazilian by any chance? We did have Bolsonaro trying his best to emulate Trump, and now our own evangelical wing trying to pass abortion laws exactly akin to Texas.

If your from the UK you don't need to worry to much. We just booted out the Hard Right who leaned towards supporting Trump. Plus the UK's churches are emptying and I'm wondering if that coincided with the UK independent reports into the covering up of CSA in all organized religion which we were all informed about on all TV news outlets here. But yes project 2025 is very much a danger.

Brazilian bootleg Trump was probably one of the worst things to happen to my country i swear, I don't understand why people like him so much.

@@damon22441 Brazil.

He is the The LORD God, known as YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, or God. The Alpha and Omega, who creates the world and will judge in the time of His choosing. He freed the Israelites from enslavement in Egypt, raised them up as a mighty nation when they followed him and cast them into ruin when they turned their back on him. He sent his Prophets to them, to praise them for their faith and warn of his wrath when their faith was weak. He chose them to bear witness to the Revelation, the coming of Jesus Christ, the God Man, who came to show us how to live within the law, who was hated and killed for bringing the truth, and who overcame death itself so that we might all have eternal life in him. You can know Him, but to know Him you must approach Him with proper respect and awe, for He is your Father who created the entire world, and He is so much greater than you that you can only begin to understand once you humble yourself before Him.

​@@wolfofthewest8019is it? Any evidence available?

I'm sorry for not being aware of you own situation. I'm Swiss and sure it's not the same but if one doesn't sees the polarisation even in europe he must be blind or live in an ivory tower. And if you don't see the same exchanging of freedom with a propagated and institutionalized questionable security, then i can't help you. Seems like you are not often out on the streets to hear the grapevine and "viper poison" which is spread. It starts at the kitchen table, as stereotype it seems to be it is. It's not displayed as in the states in europe but it exists more as you might guess. "Teachers and doctors are all crooks and thieves" is atill a saying in switzerland no matter if that is a 500 year old lie. But they won't tell it in your face that's the difference. (Lehrer und Döckter sind alles Vagante und Dieb) While a "Vagant" is an interesting hoistorical element in europe. The younger male cildren of wealthy fanilies in medieval which have put in a monastery likewise the girls, they never swore the oath and was set off when matured, some might have worked as secretary, others might have abused their knowledge and third went out to teach the peasants which leaded in the end to reformation. Since teachers and doctors never was welcome to church and lordship they was called evil and some here still gift this twisted "knowledge" to their children - at the kitchen table, if you like though. We fight against a milennial old deamon, even in the USA, demon in the sense of a compulsory action, a poisonous thought passed from generation to generation, an inherited psychosis, but likewise a demon it "eats children" or its carrier and spreads like a demon. The only real way to fight this is to go out in the streets you won't reach nobody from here, but if you reach only one your already reached thousands, yes indeed Here we can meet and exchange ideas, that is as well important. It's not especally "flat earth" it's the general distrust in science since that is believed to be from establishment and must be wrong, that scientists was responsible for the enlightenment of the mas they have long time forgot and also no one teached them this since today it is enough to count and calculate the profit any else skill is not longer of interest in the west. And they even believe that an orgon for $7000 protects you against imagined EMR. They are the stupid ones which are so easy to mislead and follow every guru who wears a broad smile and speaks about an afterlife or any turd. And you hardly can count all the 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 anymore even here. (yech) Common folks post countless 🙏, what do they expect? That Jesus will help us out of our selfinflicted crisis? He wouldn't do neiterh that he could even if he would exist - goddammit!

My boyfriends dads a nutjob that believes nearly all conspiracy theories, thats in the uk

I'm from hungary and I'm the last one who can even criticize USA for their insanity. I think my country is the cancer of europe and I'm partially responsible for our citizen's choices voting for Orban. I mean I don't do anything about it. Showing the white of my eyes. The white horse symbolism by David Lynch.

what part of it felt like a police state?

​@@Gernot66mate that tells more about the social circles that you frequent than about the reality outside the US

The head of that foundation has publicly stated their mission is to destroy democracy, institute a strong man and establish a theocratic government. Said there will be a revolution and they will win, that it could be bloodless IF the left allows it to be. In other words, don't think about opposing them or it will get bloody.

The Nationalist Socialist party of Germany thought they were doing the right thing. And it is amazing how they are all using the same justifications to try to, laughably, turn the world back into a Victorian Era nightmare. That was the apex of the "White Man Good" all else bad imperial age.

The Birch Society and the federalist society are also problematic. So much to look out for.

No, The Heritage Foundation has convinced the ignorant and uneducated that what they are doing is the right thing. The Heritage Foundation itself just wants to up-end everything so that they can be at the top of the heap when all is settled. These people have NEVER shown that they believe that they should be held to the insane standards that they preach that everyone else should be held to.

@@jenniferleibig1901 all of these right wing orgs are so financially backed by billionaire oil and the petrochemical oligarchs in Texas and Louisiana.. We need Bezos’s ex wife to pick our side and start fighting back with her billions.

USA is becoming like you guys altright. The intermixxing , the religiosity , ideological fights, criminality and all. That is why when I wanted to go Brazil and learnt somewhat portuguese languages. I was very dissapointed that Brazil is very religious more so than my country and that is have some issues in "racial democracy" which led me not wanting to go there. First off , I am latinamerican ( Puerto Rican to be specific.) . I hope I am wrong about your country but it is too sad since the diversity , nature and the people are nice there.

​@@Erastoneus45 hope you come visit one day ^^, is not all bad, go to the right places and you'll have a wonderful time 🇧🇷

The whole continent is a dumpster fire

Jup. I got a lot of "why would you care? You are not even American" in the last few years. U.S. foreign policy can destroy a lot of lives.

USA is part of the global spider’s web. A trapped fly in the corner shakes the whole world

True. Without democrats supporting the aid bill ukraine would have already lost and if p2025 passes most US allies would be abandoned in a war. Israel would probably be the only country they would still fund because apparently "jeebus will land in jeruselum" according to some right wing interpretation of revelation.

​@@LalaDepala_00It seem they ignorant of how USA have power over internacional policy, economical, socially or even ideologically. Americans in some way believe its affect them only but honestly USA affect in indirectly or directly to us outsiders( not much for me since I am one on of the territorios of USA which is PR). One example I see that affect on european and latinamerican countries is the redpill believe it or not the redpill existe on these areas. I see also "racialist science" , some maga latinos supporting Donald Trump. I met a puerto rican veteran marine who was a MAGA fan. He got the american tattos, MAGA hat. Only diferenr is he was dress like a casual boricua rapper. I got people like Fitnico who is an argentinian fitness youtuber who then move to redpill. Spaniard youtubers with mgtow stuff , antifeminism, altright. Latinamerican right winger have a despective way to refer leftwinger as " progrezombie", " "zurdo de mierda" , " pagafantas" , " empobrecedor de naciones". There also altright ideas and some even repeat some talking points fron USA translsted in other languages and uses said meses with their cultural spin but the message is similar.

Trump wants to leave Nato, it would really help if other country leaders spoke up about how dangerous that really is

In God we trust was added to coins back in the 1860's though.

@@seannolan9857 10 second google search: "Congress passed his act requesting the addition of “In God We Trust,” adapted from a lesser-known verse of Francis Scott Key’s “Star-Spangled Banner,” and the first two-cent coin with the phrase was minted in 1864." "By the turn of the century, however... President Teddy Roosevelt considered the mingling of God and Mammon to be vulgar, and he ordered the phrase removed from newly designed gold coins in 1907." "By the mid-1950s, the concern with piety in Washington had apparently deepened; in 1955 Congress ordered the same phrase to appear on all paper currency."

mfer has a spreadsheet against christianity 💀

@@seannolan9857 No. The 1950s. E Pluribus Unum was on coins I remember seeing and USING when I was a kid. Classic example of how bad they are lying to you or how poor your education is. The entiere "In God We Trust" horse shit was done in response to the "Red Scare" that the Right Wing Nut Jobs and Neo-Naz faction came up with to differentiate themselves from "Godless Heathens" in China. So, in other words they were more than happy to take a gigantic stinking shit on the founding fathers and theire wisdom in order to insert their dumb as fucking box of rocks agenda for political gain.

The words "In God We Trust" were taken (although modified) from the third portion of the Star Spangled Banner. "Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, And this be our motto: In God is our trust." Just in case you wondered where those words came from and why they were chosen. I learned this while originally researching the topic years ago.

He didn’t say he would date her, he said he would run through her if she wasn’t his child🤢

He didn’t say any of those things, weirdos

Dude I have memory problems that are just getting worse. I’ve heard other people complain about similar things. Don’t know if it’s just early dementia or if something’s in the water

It's worse to feel like nobody else can see the future.

@Emiliapocalypse It's because the bs is too much. I think our brains are just regularly purging shit so we don't have to remember all the bad

@@domecrack Well somethings are just predictable. As in, 'What the fuck did you THINK was going to happen, genius?!?" That's not predicting the future any more than expecting a man who plans on sticking his hand into the fire to be very soon yanking his hand out of it and screaming.

@@OceanusHelios I...didn't...say it...was?

Trump is just a tool used by the far right evangelical movement. They want a monstrously evil dictator precisely because we find it so abhorrent.

european far-"the right" are probably pretty epic "leftards" by the american standards 😂 and, well, yeah - trump has no values or standards - the tell for that is that he doesn't have a solid position on anything - he just says whatever is popular, whatever is likely to get him elected.

That's why he's so perfect for us "reality" show watching rubes.

I suppose it’s because people easily project their values onto him, even if he has none himself. It also helps that he appointed socially conservative justices, which allowed for the overturning of Roe v. Wade. I get the feeling that Trump’s more than happy to play the role as a vehicle for extremists if it means boosting his ego and ambition.

That’s why I don’t get why more people aren’t clamoring for reform on the whole election system. The people having so little control, and only being given two options at a time is like going to an ice cream parlor and being given choice between two flavors: moose tracks and rum raisin. Surely those two flavors would appease the vast majority of people? Plenty of republicans hate or just frankly don’t agree with trump and are also not satisfied with him as a candidate. How is the system so out of the people’s hands and why aren’t we doing feck all to change it? We don’t need handlers, we need local bottom up control of the system.

IDK, Joseph Smith apparently tried it.

All things are possible with the power of magical thinking and making s#it up.

That isn't what the ruling said. The ruling said that the president is immune from any LAWFUL acts preformed while president. If you read the whole ruling it pushed the case back to the lower courts to rule on if Trump trying to challenge the vote was a lawful act as defined under the acts of president as defined by congress. Most constitutional scholars have said that it was lawful to challenge some of the anomalies. However it was not lawful to call for a rally on Nov 6 in DC. Could Trump be held secondarily responsible for the riot, yes. Could he be held responsible and charged as a felon for questioning the GA vote, no.

@@redtiger7268 It's funny... My comment didn't mention Trump at all... 1. Getting immunity for lawful acts doesn't make any sense... Because in order to be prosecuted, you must be charged with a crime... Immunity shields someone who committed a crime from being protected.... 2. The ruling states that crimes committed as part of "official" acts (not lawful acts) are immune from protection... It also eliminates "official acts" from being used as evidence of crime committed as an unofficial act... And doesn't define what an official and unofficial act is... 3. No one thinks that questioning the results of the Georgia election is a crime... The crime is pressuring an election official to "find" votes... There's also the plot to send fake electors to forge votes for him...

@@redtiger7268 "The ruling said that the president is immune from any LAWFUL acts performed while president." - It said "OFFICIAL".... being immune to prosecution for lawful acts doesn't make any sense... you would have to commit a crime in order to be prosecuted in the first place.... there would have to be something to charge you for... > The whole concept of prosecutorial immunity is that when you have it, you aren't prosecuted for a crime.... you don't need immunity if you're not suspected of a crime.... - it also doesn't allow evidence from official acts to be used against a president who commits a crime as part of an unofficial act.... It also doesn't define what an "official" act is, leaving it up to interpretation.... "If you read the whole ruling it pushed the case back to the lower courts to rule on if Trump trying to challenge the vote was a lawful act as defined under the acts of president as defined by congress." - "Challenging the vote" is lawful.... that's not what Trump was being prosecuted for.... he was being prosecuted for trying to coerce an election official of one state to "find votes" that didn't exist and for sending allies to impersonate other election officials to declare him the winner of another state..... Also.... coercing his vice president, Mike Pence to refuse to certify election results (which is a ceremonial duty of the former vice president when a new administration takes over and has absolutely no power to change the outcome of the election, but was still attempted by Trump) "Most constitutional scholars have said that it was lawful to challenge some of the anomalies." - Again... it was never in question that it's legal for him to challenge the results of any election for which he has legal standing.... > There's an already established process for that.... you challenge it in court.... which he did.... multiple times..... And it was found that there was no merit or evidence for his claims every time.... but that's not what he's been prosecuted for..... "However it was not lawful to call for a rally on Nov 6 in DC." - It was absolutely lawful for Trump to throw a rally on *JANUARY* 6TH.... That's his right and absolutely no one thinks that having that rally was illegal.... It was January, by the way.... What was illegal was sending the attendees of that rally to break into the Capitol building to threaten members of congress and interfere with official proceedings (transferring presidential power from Trump to Biden)... > The gathering itself was legal, constitutionally protected speech and assembly... the riot afterwards was not... "Could he be held responsible and charged as a felon for questioning the GA vote, no." - That's not what he was being charged for....

@@redtiger7268 part 1 "The ruling said that the president is immune from any LAWFUL acts performed while president." - It said "OFFICIAL".... being immune to prosecution for lawful acts doesn't make any sense... you would have to commit a crime in order to be prosecuted in the first place.... there would have to be something to charge you for... > The whole concept of prosecutorial immunity is that when you have it, you aren't prosecuted for a crime.... you don't need immunity if you're not suspected of a crime.... - it also doesn't allow evidence from official acts to be used against a president who commits a crime as part of an unofficial act.... It also doesn't define what an "official" act is, leaving it up to interpretation.... "If you read the whole ruling it pushed the case back to the lower courts to rule on if Trump trying to challenge the vote was a lawful act as defined under the acts of president as defined by congress." - "Challenging the vote" is lawful.... that's not what Trump was being prosecuted for.... he was being prosecuted for trying to coerce an election official of one state to "find votes" that didn't exist and for sending allies to impersonate other election officials to declare him the winner of another state..... Also.... coercing his vice president, Mike Pence to refuse to certify election results (which is a ceremonial duty of the former vice president when a new administration takes over and has absolutely no power to change the outcome of the election, but was still attempted by Trump)

@@redtiger7268 Part 1 "The ruling said that the president is immune from any LAWFUL acts performed while president." - It said "OFFICIAL".... being immune to prosecution for lawful acts doesn't make any sense... you would have to commit a crime in order to be prosecuted in the first place.... there would have to be something to charge you for... > The whole concept of prosecutorial immunity is that when you have it, you aren't prosecuted for a crime.... you don't need immunity if you're not suspected of a crime.... - it also doesn't allow evidence from official acts to be used against a president who commits a crime as part of an unofficial act.... It also doesn't define what an "official" act is, leaving it up to interpretation....

The problem was relying so heavily on the safeguards of men in the 1700s who had no ability to predict half of the crap we're facing nowadays. It was up to us as Americans to deeply inspect and improve upon those documents as they were *never* perfect, as much as some people asserted they were. We were given the mechanisms to do just that, and used them mostly reluctantly and after great societal upheaval, instead of consistently looking at where society was going and tweaking the Constitution as needed. Our failure to do just that is a huge reason why we are where we are right now, relying on the tattered scraps of thoughts of men long gone.

@@iboofer Note that information is traveling so much faster now via the internet. Previously, people might have stayed informed from TV and radio, both of which were regulated enough to have fake news be curbed in away. both by the government and by the people. Now, any idiot with a phone or nearby library can post falsehoods anywhere, and gullible idiots will believe it simply by merit that they saw it. Since sensational lies travel fast and far while the boring truth moves much slower, when the time it takes for truth to correct any given lie is exponentially longer, we are screwed as a species. We'll always have lies being posted, convincing swathes of the gullible who then share/spread the lies further, and between the time it'll take to procure the truth of the matter and the fact that unless the lies are taken down by the hosting service there will always be a source/wellspring of those lies perpetually convincing people we will ultimately be drowned misinformation. How can We The People be trusted to act properly in the face of such a manmade horror? We obviously can't.

@@iboofer Not really. To make changes to the Constitution we need 2/3's of the States to sign off on it. What are we supposed to do when the GOP controls so many low population States? We need 2/3's to even evict them from the Union.

​@@ibooferUmair Haque argued that the younger the Constitution the more modern the country. We've been driving on 18th Century fumes for too long.

@@iboofer Agreed. I sort of cringe at how I used to view the Constitution as some sort of unchangeable, sacred document when I was more of a Christian conservative; I now think many of our country’s founders would actually scoff at that idea if they were somehow able to live until now. It’s sort of like how many fundamentalists follow the Bible to the letter, even the parts that involve the endorsement of slavery, genocide, etc. I remember hearing a liberal Anglican priest saying this about the Bible, but I think it also applies to the U.S. Constitution: “You can take it literally or you can take it seriously, but not always both.” Although the funny thing is, a lot of these so called “constitutional conservatives” aren’t even taking it literally anymore.

We have people waging war against it.

"Conservatism" happened. Christofascism happened. Whats worse is... they're not done yet.

The U.S. is not the only, or first, nation to have seperation of church and state.

@@LalaDepala_00 Oh? What country was the first?

@@littlebitofhope1489 Technically you could say Rome. But I'm sure there were others before that. There have been a lot of empires and nations that had religion completely seperate from the state and law.

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” - George Carlin

Opinions NOT facts

@@DiscordCNope just straight facts

@@rickastley4295 Or a nice pillow :D

His example is , being a felon is ok if you are in my camp.

It’s so true he everything he claims he needs to save Americans from, he’s a criminal, he’s arapist, he’s a liar, he’s a thief, he’s an adulter, he has seggs with porn star s and unprotected seggs with x workers, he’s a con artist. I mean the list goes on probably so much horrible things we don’t even know

Me too. Progressives are even worse than the Republicans.

You might find Fall of Civilizations a cool channel.

As homework I’ll reread my copy of Decline and Fall (The end of empire and the future of democracy in 21st century America) by John Michael Greer

The American education system is a failure.

I just finished reading Why Empires Fall: Rome, America, and the Future of the West by Peter Heather and John Rapley. It shows the parallels and contrasts between the fall of the Western Roman Empire in the 5th century and the situation facing the "Western Empire" (U.S. and its allies) today. Peter Heather is a historian who specializes in the migrations of the Germanic tribes into the empire at the time, and John Rapley is an economist. It's a great corrective to idiot claims like "it fell because everyone was gay" and other such right-wing BS.

Why?

@@Evil_Teddy Because I care about other people and I don't like people getting between people and their doctors. I don't want people with a bad work of fiction and imaginary friendtelling smarter and saner people what to do and cutting off access to birth women's healthcare. Have you looked at that monstrosity?

You are not alone. I have always said that America is very young, not even 250 years old. Younger nations have succumbed to fascism and it looks like we are on that track right now, with nations all over the globe following suite. It really is scary to think of religious nuts insinuating themselves into positions of power all over our government, and being able to take us back to the days when women and people of color could not vote. Truly mind numbing. I don't even know how I get out of bed every morning the anxiety is so bad.

@@Evil_Teddy are you four years old?

@@kellydalstok8900 are you harassing me for asking why? We're athiests, our business is asking why.

I know. I'm terrified of Project 2025

It sounds like the kind of law someone who makes money by exploiting poor people would come up with.

And the ass!

If the country was founded on the 10 commandments, the Trail of Tears, among many other things, wouldn't have occurred

@@kellydalstok8900If you’re a fan of darkmatter2525, and never heard of George Carlin; I highly recommend to look up George Carlin. You might get a kick out of him, he’s really funny.

Kids play video games with talking animals in them, these days. Trust me, when I say, that teaching a kid today that snakes can REALLY talk is not going to work. The computer seems more magical to them than a bunch of preaching from disgusting old men. Let them bring the bible and especially make them read ever fucking word of it. Best way to become an atheist.

IKR? Mesopotamia gave us a lot of mathematics we still use.

“The greatest threat to freedom is the absence of criticism.” - Wole Soyinka "I'd rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned” - Richard Feynman

He isn't sapient.

Well, you know what they say about people who accuse their partners of cheating without any evidence. Chances are they’re doing it themselves.

That's because it's projection with the right wing, all the time, every time.

They don't mind election rigging when THEIR people do it!

I have too, just hearing the politics nowadays gives me more dread than ever. Its hard to cope seeing injustice you can't change

@@hopelesshaddy3332 Welp, know that you're not the only one coping with this... =\

There is always hope: both Britain and France have moved away from the extreme right (in very different ways!) in their recent elections. That said, I fear that the US election will be very close. If Trump gets in, that’s the end of US democracy certainly in the short term. If Biden gets in, well, there may yet be a civil war.

Just remember, everything has to be done by consent. Yes, they will attempt coercion, but coercion ALWAYS fails, every time. There is always backlash. The first mistake they make is to presume authority without being given consent prior.

@@lidbass Oh yeah trying to avenge the past rather than fighting for the future, also chasing phantoms.

We should nominate someone other than Joe Biden as well, if possible. Many are upset at his treatment of Palestine and don't want to vote for him (as petty as that is. It's not like Trump would have done different)

@@jacobc9221 Not voting for Biden is making Trump one vote closer to winning. Flawed Biden or evil Trump is the choice, there is no other.