Detailed Thoughts on (what we know of) Age of Sigmar 4.0 

me, who hasnt played a game of AoS in his life: "ah yes, 32 minutes of prime entertainment"

For the double turn, they said in the Adepticon video that if you take the double turn, you can't score a battle tactic.

regarding the discussion of battle tactics 15 minutes in the "retreat with two skaven units" tactic was a freebie GW gave us after our book tactics were all awful. They split the skaven battle tactics up by subfaction so depending on how you built your list you could get one to maybe two if you got really lucky. Compare that with other armies where their tactics are not subfaction locked and they have way more options and it really shows the problems with the system.

I’m honestly really hyped about getting a new edition and really exited to see how they innovate it, although I will say it sucks I only got to use my new FEC tome for like all of 2 seconds

Hands down, the best video I've seen on this. I was very nervous but this video has me excited dude!

Cautiously optimistic. Matt Rose's contribution to the game has been largely positive and hopefully a reset means the design team can take the gloves off. I'm fine with BTs in concept if they're flavourful and don't detract from the primary (callous overlords for SBGL is one of my silly faves because it feels like something a vampire lord or necromancer would do - send cheap bodies/bones to their 'deaths'). Glad to see they're keeping the prio roll but that's purely selfish of me - I know a lot of new players bounce off because of it and that's a massive issue. Hopefully more interactivity during your opponent's turn will soften that blow. And then the sceptic in me says that this whole hard reset just exists because of the 'long tail' of product sales...

I’m excited, I’m fairly new to wh joining in tenth months ago. Going into AoS with a secondhand sylvaneth I’m excited to try out 4.0

I just worry the business model for the army book rules will follow the paywalling of 40k

I really hope the game comes out being a lot closer to AoS 2.0 than either AoS 3.0 was or 40k 10th is, but I have a bad feeling that the success of 10th means we're basically getting a better mission structure, worse army construction rules, and stratagems nobody asked for.

I'm exited for free index rules, but I am equally dreading the app being a monthly subscription fee. Hopefully the warscrolls at least stay free...

I agree I hope the battlescroll tweeks will be helpful for unit recognition.

I'm willing to keep an open mind but I got World Eaters at the end of 9th ed 40k and the new FEC book for AoS.. got the double whammy

I wish for the best. But also I fear exactly for the 40k treatment where everything has counterparts, no special flavor in factions and list building, just blank simulator. Changes are good. But they shouldn't resign from AoS vibes. It's supposed to be different. I know current edition wasn't perfect, but imo I was having so much fun in all seasons exploring my armies again, and again and trying to use them differently, to match with current rules. But hey. New skaven. Those greedy a-holes got me anyway :v

For the model writing the rules bit, a weakness I’ve seen from that is it inspires ‘artillery must have 1 attack’. This is the big weak point to tons of units, even though rolling two dice would give a better probability distribution. So it’s always a balance

I kinda wish they put S and W into the game for MW, so for example my Solar Bastiladon plays a little more like in TOW in AoS.

Started playing tyranids and i gotta say the seraphon are sexy af

The one thing I don't miss about the pyschic phase is sitting and waiting for my opponent to rain death and destruction down on me in a phase my armies really didn't make use of.

When did you start this channel?!? I used to watch your WoW videos a few years back when I played. Subbed. I know I'm probably in the minority here but I'd like AOS 4.0 to go with WEGO system like in Warcry but by phase. Again, I've never tried it in AOS but it works in Warcry using tokens to keep track of which units moved. I should have a house game and try it out to see if it really slows down the game as some have said. Sitting on the phone while it's not your turn is REALLY boring. I always take the one drop battalion. I'd rather it go to the percentage system for picking leaders, core, etc.

I'm curious about the weapon ranges and how that will translate to the weapon profiles, i just made a Saurus warrior unit with spears for the 2" range but the clubs gain the extra attack i think id rather the extra attack with 1 less rend then the extra rend with no range bonus. Hopefully they slightly tweak the profiles so they maybe just become an aesthetic choice with the same profile.

Talk about the new clan rat revivals + all the news good and bad . I wanna know ur thoughts 🎉

Psychic powers in 40k have become so boring, somehow they managed to make them even more boring than the endless variations on "Do D3+1 mortal wounds" Wouldn't wish that upon AoS players.

Know they said it but have to see the follow through. Don’t want them to take away subfactions/AoR or simplify unique army rules. Let unit champions keep unique abilities and not just make unit champion only a +1 attack model. They’ve been doing a good job but just don’t want armies to lose their uniqueness and feel like they all play the same but with different looking minis. As long as they do that I really don’t mind any other game changes.

I'm fairly new to AoS so please forgive my ignorance, but does a new edition mean all army's get an update? Or is it purely for the stormcast eternals and skaven? I have been previously building beasts of chaos but recently learnt they have been cancelled....

"a twist to scoring" - maybe you dont score until the end of your OPPONENTS turn so they can shoot you off objectives?

I'm stoked for the new edition. I've preferred the lore of 40K but AoS has better gameplay IMO.

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Agree with everything except the battalions. Do not bring back the old ones, they couldnt balance them, optimistic about a reset that feels needed. Too much bloat now. Also screw Merciless Blizzard

The skaven technology somehow got worse

i love lumineth.... i fucking hate how lumineth have played this edition its not fun for me because if i dont pick the stupid op thing i just die because the entire army is balanced areound you taking the OP thing, they got a lot of their flavor sucked out and they just felt bad, i felt punished for doing the thing my army is supposed to be (big spearmen blocks with archer, elite and hero support)

I really don't want a new edition it makes it impossible to keep up with all the new rules

My personal wishlist: Remove powercreep since 2nd ed Remove reinforcement caps Introduce wizard levels Bring back horde discounts Change battletactics/ grandstrat (but not remove) Finally release my darkelf faction!

Oh .. Battle Tactics are awful. Usually 80% of them are no doable. You have like 6 to choose from, and none of them viable

For AoS being supposed to be about armies...honestly, it hasn't been for a very long time. "Bring the right character/AoR and anything is battleline", combined with the tendency for most armies to just be two to four giant monsters and as few infantry as you can manage, rotted that away many years ago, sadly. I do think the game is poorer for it, but it's less of a wargame, and more of a kaiju skirmish game. Battle Tactics also annoy the crap out of me, because you're not having a battle, you're playing a game. What I mean is, "this turn I must do X. It has literally nothing whatsoever to do with the state of the battle, but I get victory points for it, so I'll act completely contradictory to the actual battle happening." It's really bad design. The game actively conflicts against the battle that the game is ostensibly about, but because the game awards you more victory points than the battle does, that means that the battle itself *is not the primary aspect of the game*. That's a problem. For double turns, firstly, that mechanic is so intelligent and deep and wonderful that not a single other wargame does it. Not one. Hmm. That said, the leak out there is that Battle Tactics are not going away; however, if you take a double turn you cannot score a Battle Tactic in that turn. So, that's what that's supposed to be. Sadly, deleting the double turn entirely if you're rewriting the whole game anyway would have been the intelligent play, but GW seems deathly allergic to intelligent behavior. EDIT AS I CONTINUE TO WATCH THIS: Regarding mortal wounds, I agree, but GW clearly doesn't. GW has been gradually shifting the game, and 40K, closer and closer to attacks not actually mattering one bit. As it stands, the standard attack profile nowadays is in effect 2+/2+ with rerolls at pretty much all times, and they only continue to buff it. GW has made it pretty clear that they would rather just not have attacks and all and just shift everything over to mortal wounds, presumably to make the game even faster and even simpler for whatever reason. Again, 40K indicates this design philosophy as well. I say this semi in jest, but I wouldn't be surprised if ten years from now the game was just a JPRG with each player lining up their models and then just assigning the mortal wounds they automatically do every turn, with no moving, no range, no terrain, and no dice rolling at all. GW is steadily marching in that direction.

RIP beasts