Developer Transition Kit: EXCLUSIVE review and teardown!

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Back in 2020 when Apple announced the transition to Apple Silicon, they released the Developer Transition Kit; basically it's an A12Z from an iPad Pro crammed into a Mac mini, but nobody has publicly tested one before. That is, until now. I managed to find a new*, *sealed DTK and today we're going to explore this and run world-first benchmarks as well as an exclusive teardown of the only Apple Silicon Mac you CAN'T buy!
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Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
2:10 Unboxing
4:51 Powering up the DTK
6:28 World first benchmark tests!!
13:10 Exclusive DTK teardown
18:15 Closing thoughts
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@lukemiani Год назад

Definitely one of the coolest Apple products I've ever reviewed!!

@hotlikepho6630 Год назад

ikr

@marcinkowalczyk647 Год назад

Apple to Luke: "You've been served!" XD

@gaelanubis Год назад

Epic!

@MichaelSidneyTimpson Год назад

hopefully the cost will pay off for you

@jonny4036 Год назад

any chance the beta OS could help the community figure out how to get native MAC OS support on iPad Pro ?

@zumuvtuber Год назад

I love how this pretty much confirms something we all knew: iPads could easily run macOS and desktop-level apps. I will never shut up about this until they actually do it 😂

@andyH_England Год назад

No one is disputing that! It is just Apple that has a business model to survive the monopolistic Windows machine, not to make the iPad macOS and compete with their Macs, as that would be the dumbest and most stupid business model anyone could imagine.

@bebe4184 Год назад

@@andyH_England that makes sense but it would be very good surface replacement

@aditya_gupta Год назад

Davinci resolve is a living example...

@fmlazar Год назад

And there were tablets back then running Windows and they were hot garbage. Like Windows, Mac OS is not optimized for a touch interface.

@JoshF848 Год назад

I don’t think iPads should run macOS. But now they are using the same chips there’s no reason why they couldn’t run macOS apps, even if it was limited so that they would only run if a mouse and keyboard was connected, for example. Macs can run iOS apps despite the lack of touchscreen and it generally being a horrible experience to use them. iPads running mac apps would instantly make them way more useful.

@ConorORegan Год назад

Luke is about to get sued by Apple

@alliejr Год назад

More likely the eBay seller. Luke signed no agreement with Apple, the seller did.

@SN-hn9zi Год назад

@@alliejr that’s not how that works

@andresserna Год назад

Made a great video tho!

@SN-hn9zi Год назад

@L. G. you return them to apple

@Stop4MotionMakr Год назад

Think it's whoever put it up for sale that's getting sued? Assuming they were the developer that Apple originally gave this to.

@yakovmanshin Год назад

Shortly after WWDC 2020, I got an email from Apple offering to get one of these for $500, as did every (or almost every) other registered developer. I ignored the offer because I didn’t work on Mac apps back then, but nevertheless, it never seemed like an exclusive offer for the select few 🧐 UPD: Reviewing, benchmarking, or disassembling them publicly was not allowed by the developer agreement, and you had to return your item in early 2021 in exchange for an Apple Store gift card, but I’m pretty sure many developers chose to keep the DTK.

@frostgodx Год назад

just think you would have over 6x the money back right now lol

@archie7012 Год назад

Apple did not give the chance to keep it. If I remember correctly.

@yakovmanshin Год назад

@@archie7012 You’re right, it wasn’t a choice Apple gave you officially. Though it’s pretty murky, I haven’t found evidence of any actual legal action ever taken by Apple, and some developers were surely okay to sacrifice their accounts if they were to get terminated for violating the agreement.

@kevinmcguinness Год назад

I’m sure any developers who didn’t return the kit got their accounts terminated permanently.

@yakovmanshin Год назад

@@kevinmcguinness Likely so, but since anyone could sign up for $100 and then get the DTK for $500, it basically was just a $600 Mac mini with a slightly different design and worse specs.

@dangeredwolf Год назад

I had a DTK back in 2020, and I always wanted to know what was inside of it, so thank you for doing that for me haha

@nanopone Год назад

hi dangered :3

@weatheronthe8s895 Год назад

Hmm. I feel like I know both of you.

@nanopone Год назад

@@weatheronthe8s895 HI JACKIE

@weatheronthe8s895 Год назад

@@nanopone hello!

@XeZrunner Год назад

12:16 It is very intriguing to imagine Mac hardware running iOS/iPadOS natively, and especially the other way around. Love how they share the same platform, same core kernel and are compatible with each other. I'm sure somebody will manage to run iOS/iPadOS on Apple Silicon Macs and vice-versa in the near-future.

@amarioguy Год назад

Vice versa requires the blessing of the apple install authorization server which lets just say isn’t exactly the most permissive

@XeZrunner Год назад

@@amarioguy If any jailbreak is ever found, this will probably be the first major goal to achieve 😁

@JasperJanssen Год назад

Running iOS apps on Apple silicon macs is actual supported configuration. It’s just not all that useful, is why you rarely hear it discussed.

@XeZrunner Год назад

@@JasperJanssen Yeah, running actual iOS on Macs would also wouldn’t be very interesting from a usability standpoint, but to technically see it running would be great. macOS natively on the iPad would be a different story though.

@JasperJanssen Год назад

@@XeZrunner I suspect that there are almost no driver issues and the core code is just easily transportable. But they’ll never allow it unless they decide to allow it. (The one set of drivers that might be an issue would be the touch interfaces and such, and that macOS basically requires either a mouse with hover and multiple buttons or a physical keyboard with modifier keys and a mouse with hover and one button. You could have it Tcha-kra-ka-ka transformer-noise *only* when mouse and keyboard are connected but that would be pretty limiting.)

@tiinpa7093 Год назад

Wow, title should have been "How to get blacklisted by Apple in a single video" but seeing the teardown is worth it. I was so tempted to crack mine open the whole time I had it.

@JoaoAlves-ce1fi Год назад

Best video of the year! It's mind blowing to see of what the A12Z was capable of a few years ago!

@Thoxxxik Год назад

For the amount of disruption the dawn of Apple Silicon / ARM on the PC market this thing was the ignition point for, it^s gonna be one pretty sought after one! Keep this at all cost, dude.

@MichaelSidneyTimpson Год назад

if only he didn't break the wrapper....

@loganandreoni5947 Год назад

Luke paid approximately $3,194.85 US according to the only sold ebay listing of this computer. Wild! thanks for all your time and effort spent into cool videos like this for us Luke.

@darwiniandude Год назад

Is the listing still listed? I can't find it.

@berkant_k Год назад

It would be a good idea to archive the beta OS on the devkit

@YuviApp Год назад

I have a lot of them already.

@Rabbit_AF Год назад

I was scrolling to see the first comment where someone noticed he updated without saying he backed up the beta OS.

@asianflex Год назад

maybe some guy could port macos onto an iPad with it

@IAM-iv1oz Год назад

Should have cloned the original system and bought a touch screen monitor. You would have had drivers to run the touch on any touch screen compatible monitor. Elo Touch monitors are the best. I have 2 32inch Touch Glass screens in my lab.

@breakinggames6356 Год назад

Already done along with every single update for it thanks to a apple archive discord I am in and we have about 10tb and growing worth of public and internal data and dev data too

@BuildTheStudio Год назад

I used the transition kit for school. And I’m so glad that I could use it and I learned so much from it.

@LeetPatches Год назад

Even though I'm not as hyped about this video's content, it's cool to see how passionate Luke is about his tech. Really happy for you, mate!

@BrunoMoreira43 Год назад

OMG, I’ve waited years to see the teardown. Thank you so much.

@EnriqueMcQuade Год назад

Congratulations for being one of the few people to have a in depth look on one of these kits.

@berkant_k Год назад

You need to get your hands on the developer transition kit from when Apple switched from powerpc to intel

@Just-View Год назад

We need to backup this video in case Apple DMCEs it.

@Just-View Год назад

Also, Luke you need to be careful about its serial number because Apple could remotely deactivate it.

@TheTechnoGuy18 Год назад

I saved a copy of this video

@joehemmings Год назад

OMG, I've been waiting DTK teardown videos for years, glad Luke is the one posting it!!!!

@ReubenWslay Год назад

I’ve ALWAYS wanted to see this I’m so excited to finally get a look

@bentheminernz Год назад

Can’t believe he updated it when he had an unreleased internal version beta of big sur

@watchcommander2012 Год назад

Personally this is one of your best videos Luke. It shows one of the start points for Apples Mac SoC. They knew the future

@cmantac6588 Год назад

Another great video! I love the way that you are documenting the history and making history! Keep up the great work!

@YuviApp Год назад

But Luke I bought one, and even documented how awful the developer experience was on my channel. (im terrible at videos, but made it in 2021 right before they forced us to return them.) I just had to make something demostrating how bad the DTK was for us devs. Seriously if you wanna talk Dev experience i got some stories to tell. Also worth mentioning all the docs/forum is still up. However you cannot get access to it unless you're dev account is provisioned for it.

@swiftrealm Год назад

I watched your video after Luke's. I was about to get one in the summer of 2020 but looked at the price and noped right out of there. That said, I didn't expect it to be that bad.

@YuviApp Год назад

Yah it was not pleasant.. The amount of time I broke my own DTK was at least 10+. No fault to my own, mainly because of apple updates. As each DTK had to be enrolled to which you be given a DTK certificate that will allow your DTK to receive OTA updates. However those were known to break a lot of DTK. After which using the recovery image to “update” was a way better option.

@MilersMascots Год назад

Luke, pin this!

@bigbubba0439 Год назад

I always love getting a look into the mysterious world of Apple prototypes!

@matttysonx Год назад

i wonder if someone could use the firmware from the DTK to put macos on a 2018 ipad pro logic board. (or maybe use a custom board with components used in the DTK)

@MrAsimomytis Год назад

And this among other reasons is why you have fans even in Athens , Greece! Thank you Luke!

@marcoseirik Год назад

Cool that you showed it to us. Was hoping that you would pull off the heat sink as well to reveal the SOC.

@DJTechYT Год назад

The DTK is a reminder to me that iPads are perfectly capable of running macOS but Apple purposely decided to not let them run it

@fmlazar Год назад

Sure if you attach a mouse and keyboard to it. Without both the unit would be non functional.

@rcjmack847 Год назад

Thanks for showing this. I've always been interested in seeing what it was about.

@stevenruiz4965 Год назад

checked on eBay on sold and completed items tab, the listing was sold for around 3.2k for transitional developer kit

@reputationtaylorsversion Год назад

yikers

@jierenzheng7670 Год назад

Man, that's really expensive, if only they were cheaper, maybe I would try installing Asahi Linux on it to play with.

@Ryanf550 Год назад

Lol, I just did the same thing. And it was from Spain.

@stevenruiz4965 Год назад

@@Ryanf550 that’s the same listing I saw

@maxsilverstone8600 Год назад

I also saw it. $3200 is a lot, but keep in mind many tech reviewers like MaxTech and Linus spend boatloads more on devices to review. Idk how much revenue Luke will make on this video, perhaps he’ll get that money back in ad revenue? If he doesn’t, this is still one the most unique and special Apple videos we’ve seen and will see in a very long time.

@Robert.Novack Год назад

I like how sometimes Luke’s enthusiasm draws me into things I have no interest in yet I come away strangely fulfilled. 😊

@oliverbrason545 Год назад

This always interested me since I got my A12Z development kit and my M1 Mac Mini. However what I wondered from this is does this mean we could theoretically install Mac OS on an Apple TV A15. I mean... that would be a very good Mac Mini.

@efwewfwef1549 Год назад

yes you could!

@oliverbrason545 Год назад

@@efwewfwef1549 it's beyod me I think however I hope someone does this. I travel a lot for work and having a little Mac MIni with me would be cool :) hate laptops lol

@dustinnrussell Год назад

probably! just like in the early x86 macos days where you could put tiger and leopard on the first gen apple tvs.

@joerobinnettebiden4723 Год назад

Yes they could.

@hansassel8540 Год назад

well to be honest...it would run easy on an a15 inside a apple tv. ad 2 usb c ports tada new mac nano

@walpoleandworcester Год назад

Definitely keep this for the sake of history! Wow. Very impressive especially for the time.

@joesalyers Год назад

I'm glad I got to see this before Apple sends Luke a Cease and Desist Letter and the video becomes unlisted.

@timfireblade Год назад

Thanks for taking one for the team.

@Sephiyroth Год назад

i always wanted one of these just to test… good vid

@waynerhodes278 Год назад

records show one was sold on 11/22/22 from Spain on ebay for 3000 euros

@erochas Год назад

And this is why you’re my favourite geek. Thanks for sharing!🙏

@hotwings9382 Год назад

Sinoptik unboxed one two years ago, video is at the top of the list

@JacobLock Год назад

Oh wow, I knew I always wanted this, but I always thought we'd never get it. Great job!

@hannes4069 Год назад

It would've been very interesting to see how much power the DTK draws in idle and under load.

@jonathonrosalia9345 Год назад

thanks this was very cool content glad you where able to get your hands on one

@hardcoded Год назад

Not really for individuals, hence the lack of comforts. You were supposed to use it to rebuild your stuff for ARM in advance of consumer launch. That way your software would be up to date as soon as M1 hw hit the store. So, it's mainly for running Xcode build bots and CLI tools, to be used by your whole team.

@PaulPinguin Год назад

Nobody ever claimed otherwise.

@roberts_lancmanis Год назад

Please say you took a copy of the drive before you updated it. Archiving this would be amazing.

@yeatstan Год назад

i kinda want him to dump the TouchScreen drivers so other people can implement them in hackintosh

@MarioMastr Год назад

ngl this is probably my favourite apple video in a while

@cbenj15 Год назад

Searching a video like this for AGES!

@viralvideos259 Год назад

Luke always keep on giving. Merry Christmas all 🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄

@cristiangonzalezr Год назад

Very special video Luke! Thanks!

@CtrliPhones Год назад

I TRULY hope that you made a disk image or something of the ORIGINAL OS build that shipped on it. That’s some rare stuff considering it was listed as version 10.16

@cgi2173 Год назад

Excellent video Luke. That logic board is minimalist compared to the 2018. 😁

@HearGear Год назад

This computer is so rare that it almost don't exists.. i want to know the story about how it still was unboxed, after all its a developers unit and someone was suppose to use it to develop things on it, great video Luke.

@zacksstuff Год назад

Was it running Cinebench natively or through Rosetta? I'd be interested to see more Rosetta A12Z vs Rosetta M1 testing, in theory the M1 should walk away with it because it has the logic on the chip to work natively with x86 memory addressing.

@iCaveDave Год назад

Have Tim’s snipers arrived yet?

@mariodasilva8729 11 месяцев назад

Love this! Encore, please!

@cmd8086 Год назад

Luke, I was expecting to see the actual chip under the heatsink... Please show it, and then do some power consumption tests as well. Btw nice piece of hardware!

@superviewer Год назад

Oh. My. Lord. This is my first ever look at this unboxing tear-down video. I have litterally never seen it before I started watching it for the first. time. ever. 😉 Thanks for sharing 😁

@fitch8363 Год назад

What a find. Outstanding. Well done.

@charliemiller8491 Год назад

Watching this before the video mysteriously disappears!

@Epicgamer_Mac Год назад

Great vid! I have two things to say. First, are you able to update the dtk to the latest version of macOS? Does it even work? Or are you concerned that Apple may have bricked this product in later software? Second, the implications of not having a temperature sensor in that thing are pretty interesting. If there’s no system temperature readouts, how’s macOS going to thermal throttle the dtk if the load gets too heavy and starts heating it up? While I don’t recommend it, it would be interesting to install something like TG Pro and ramp up the fan speeds to the max, and then see how far you can push this thing. I have a feeling it would hold up pretty well.

@poelanoselema Год назад

I hope you frame the DTK board, it would make a great art piece

@stevemobbes Год назад

Wow. It was so tempting like opening I gift box. Many many thanks to you for this video. Incredible piece of tech 🎉

@user-nd4ip1xv5m Год назад

Can you pop the heat sink off the board, so that we can have a better look at the A12Z and ram chips. I want to see if they are different from those on an iPad Pro. I know this is somewhat destructive and will affect thermal performance. It’s better do that after all benchmarking.

@brianstone4549 Год назад

Lol 😆 I'm like 99.9% not about to happen.

@joelm-e1084 Год назад

Very cool video Luke!

@SankeshwarSivakumar Год назад

Damn this is something I’ve been wanting someone to do, nice one luke

@lysanatt Год назад

How cool was that! That sure was something different.

@berendvanderheijden Год назад

This is so cool! I need a comparison of this to the Microsoft Volterra dev kit!

@matthewmastrobuono582 Год назад

I’m using davinci resolve on the iPad Air right now. Been teaching myself on both the MacBook and iPad. But trying to test out how it goes on the iPad. There’s a bit of hiccups since I’m using the edit page which clearly isn’t ready but it definitely works. Apple needs to port Final Cut but Final Cut doesn’t use the finder so idk how they’d do it. Davinci uses finder to import so the switch to the files app was probably easier than apple porting Final Cut.

@hypotenous_ Год назад

did you save the older OG build of the 10.16 before upgrading to render the FCP video?

@blackcoffeegarage Год назад

Oh this would be fun... wish I had one of the intel transition Macs!

@themacintoshnerd Год назад

The image works on similar computers. Since it doesn't use EFI.

@reputationtaylorsversion Год назад

@@themacintoshnerd I think he means the early Mac Pro DTKs for PowerPC to Intel transition

@themacintoshnerd Год назад

@@reputationtaylorsversion Yeah that's what I said. The image used on the Intel dtk doesn't use EFI and can be installed on similar computers that use just a BIOS. So you can kinda build your own.

@TechThoughtsByAdhi 3 месяца назад

8:06, he says that the chip is from 2018 but its not. The A12X was launched in 2018 whilst the A12Z seen in the DTK was launched in 2020, first seen on the 2020 iPad Pro line-up.

@davidbillberg2203 Год назад

Very nice Luke!

@brettsolem Год назад

Is that a usbc header on the top right of the logic board? If so does it work? Also, would love to see an extended teardown to see the m1 chip itself!

@CookedLight Год назад

Brilliant find 👍🏻

@TheIrisCZ Год назад

Thanks for this! It gives quite a lot of insight how prototyping in a large company works. I would love to see how it was actually made by Apple from the iPad to this janky Mac. But I guess we will never know.

@fmlazar Год назад

They didn't go converting iPads to DTK's they used the design technology form the iPad to modify the pre-existing intel Mac Mini motherboard to incorporate iPad chips and kitbashed what they needed.

@emiel333 Год назад

Awesome, but please be careful that you don’t get any kind of legal issues with Apple. Dev kits must be send back after a developer used them so I hope you don’t get in trouble, Luke. Respect ✊ for sharing this with us!

@fmlazar Год назад

He's not going to be in trouble, he got this through backchannel and never signed an agreement with Apple over the unit. And it's not in their interest to pursue it over 2 years down the pike.

@jakekreutzer Год назад

There are still Intel dev kits floating around from 2005. Apple may not even care. But last I checked, Apple can’t just go search his house. It’s a damn computer, not a car!

@vindication84 Год назад

@@jakekreutzerIn 2010 Apple perused a writer for Gizmodo for buying a stolen prototype iPhone 4. The police literally seized his computer after searching his home. I understand this is a little older, but I would personally be worried that Apple would go after someone for purchasing Apple property this new. I don’t think they should, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they attempted to get the computer back since it’s legally their property.

@babyboomertwerkteam5662 Год назад

@@vindication84 yes, in 2010, *before* the iPhone 4 was officially even announced. That's why Apple clamped down on Gizmodo for showing it off. Meanwhile this device is 2 years old, was publicly announced so people already knew of its existence and its specs, and doesn't really contain any Apple secrets. Do you see Apple going after all those people showing off other old Mac, iDevice, etc, prototypes?

@FlashthePreacherGuy Год назад

@@babyboomertwerkteam5662 well him doing this vid exposes for certain one  secret, they be liars. The A12Z iPad Pros are way more capable than they say or allow and they purposely bricking features in the latest iOS in hopes we’d spend thousands to get the M1 iPad Pro which is just truly a minor update from the A12Z.

@bblin0033 Год назад

Always want people to review this😮

@samworks Год назад

Great video! I wish you had shown where the 12z chip is. Can you update it to a current version of Mac OS? Can you run iOS apps on it?

@dennisud Год назад

WHOA! This definitely got my attention! It sure shows the development trail! BTW, is it limited in how many displays it has like the M1?

@fmlazar Год назад

Maybe even more so since it's a jacked up iPad.

@nicolasbozzo2364 Год назад

Would be cool to see how cinebench and the blender test compare between the beta OS vs the final OS. Would portray how important software optimization is.

@fmlazar Год назад

Keep in mind however that the hardware itself suffers compared to the actual M1 Mini.

@1119-UK-Tech 5 месяцев назад

Love this video good job

@Account_old Год назад

So, you said it originally had drivers for camera Face ID and touch screen, then why not trying to put it in an iPad Pro ? Technically it should work and the first iPad running MacOS would be made !

@danielheinsbergen3571 Год назад

I didn’t know Newegg was still a thing. Thanks Luke!😂

@alliejr Год назад

9:33 I think you’re not fully understanding this… yes I’m sure M1 > A12x… but you’re ignoring that this DTK is running unoptimized MacOS on an iPad. Clearly few or none of the underlying “kits” (eg Metal) are optimized for this CPU so performance is no where near where it would be if Apple was on a “for production” development path. The DTK existed just to work out cross compiler issues with Intel software, not to optimize for performance.

@techyOS Год назад

just making a slight correction here: remember that the DTK is running an a12z bionic processor, which came out in march 2020. the a12x bionic came out in october 2018. so the chip inside the DTK and the intel mac mini did not come out at the same time.

@BrenoAngelotti Год назад

That preinstalled OS in the DTK might be the key to figuring out how to install macOS on iPads

@alexmeek610 Год назад

To even consider this the bootloader would have to be unlocked which isn’t possible and even if it was possible Mac OS lacks drivers for the lightning port and any a series chips

@halami2149 Год назад

@@alexmeek610 The iPad with the A12Z chip has type C, what does lightning have to do with it?

@rostyc Год назад

@@alexmeek610 Apple doesn't lock the bootloader, they just sign it with blobs, which won't be possible to get, and so install the OS without the bootrom exploit

@tonylancer7367 Год назад

Very interesting video, the Apple hardware engineers really worked to shrink everything down and make it compact. This just adds fuel to the fire of why Apple doesn't want MacOS apps (FinalCut, Logic Pro X etc) on the iPad, there doesn't seem to be a reason not to add them to the iPads.

@darwiniandude Год назад

My guess is that Logic / Final Cut etc software wise talk to all sorts of frameworks and things which do not exist on iPad OS, and a great deal would have to be changed. Also it would make less people buy a Mac, which is bad for Apple. If the pros don't need a Mac for Final Cut and Logic, less Mac sales.

@tonylancer7367 Год назад

@@darwiniandude But the thing is Luke did run Final Cut on it and exported a video out of it. I do believe that it can run on the iPad, only that Apple does not want that to happen. I do agree that perhaps it might change what products are being bought from them, but to be honest, Apple knows how to get money from everyone, they removed the headphone jack and made a dongle.

@RonCoy Год назад

@@tonylancer7367 yes it’s running on an iPad, but it’s running MacOS. IPadOS would likely need a bunch of updates to support those apps in iOS / iPadOS.

@babyboomertwerkteam5662 Год назад

because Apple understands that tablets are tablets, and computers are computers. Yes, you could put Final Cut or Logic Pro on an iPad, but would you really want to use it for long periods of time on a touchscreen? Convergence just doesn't work. If you try to shoehorn a mouse-based application onto a touchscreen device, the user experience suffers and the reverse is also true. Did everyone forget about Windows 8 already?

@pierremarti9481 Год назад

Very Nice video!! Thanks luke!! In addition it seems that the cpu of this developer version is running at 2.4ghz, according to everymac, it is a downclocked version of the ipad pro cpu.