Developmental History of the AK with Max Popenker

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I am very happy to be joined today via Skype by Russian small arms researcher Max Popenker. You may know Max from his nearly 20 years publishing world.guns.ru, one of the original small arms reference web sites. He has also written numerous magazine articles and several books in both Russian and English.
Today, Max is going to discuss the development of the AK and address several questions that are not well understood in the US:
How did a neophyte designer like Kalashnikov produce such an excellent gun? Was he just a fake figurehead created for Soviet propaganda?
How much influence did German engineers have in the design and production of the AK?
When the whole story of the AK is understood - as Max does a great job conveying - lots of things make much more sense. The AK was just one element of a much larger program to create a wholly new small arms system in an intermediate caliber. The SKS, RPD, and AK were adopted as part of this program, filling the roles of infantry carbine, squad automatic weapon, and submachine gun. So settle in and join me for a history lesson from an expert int he subject!
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@thetuguar 5 лет назад

Most ambitious crossover in history, waited it for years!

@GreenPatriot69 5 лет назад

Imma shamelessly fangirl squeal... NEVER in my wildest dreams could I have imagined this happening!!!

@RNKel1 5 лет назад

Better crossover than infinity war

@AkOperatorsUnion 5 лет назад

This is awesome interview. Thank you to both of you for posting this. Shared!

@anh413 4 года назад

AK Operators Union, Local 47-74 damn been a fan of you all. And see you here. This is a mega crossover for me

@stevenkennedy4130 3 года назад

So basically, we have two different types of AK's, in the US. AK & AKM. No AK-47's. Solid!

@gost166 3 года назад

Great video! Hope to see more interesting topics from your tandem.

@chrisreedy5577 2 года назад

@@stevenkennedy4130 exactly. It always drives me nuts when people refer to akm, milled ak or hell even 74s as “ak-47”.

@csm5040 Год назад

@@stevenkennedy4130⁠ I recently watched a video where Jonathan Ferguson stated that, for a very short period of time, there were some AKs labeled as “AK-47”. Allegedly from the fall of 1948 to the summer of 1949. There’s is also, of course, the units that were used in the Soviet rifle trials which were also referred to as “AK-47”.

@SgtMjr 5 лет назад

Interesting that Max mentions Kalashnikov, Browning, Garand, and Schmeisser as talented designers with no formal education. Like arms artists rather than gun scientists, talent and inspiration not education. That's really interesting.

@TheSunchaster 5 лет назад

Common things. In my opinion, from all of gunsmiths mentioned it the video, only Sudayev was an educated professional. Most of the gunsmiths are first of all talanted and passed the formal study, going to practical work.

@sgthl 5 лет назад

"Formal" education or not Schmeisser grew up as a son of a well renowned weapons designer. Kalashnikov grew up shoveling shit. This one is hilarious. Maybe a litte "hint" from the workers, hahaha. www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41367394

@eaton33a 5 лет назад

The difference I see is that Kalashnikov didn't design anything, he only took existing designs and combined them. Browning is on a whole different scale, Garand designed a really good rifle and Schmeisser may have been the originator of the 'assault rifle'.

@eaton33a 5 лет назад

His rifle I will concede. Designing I don't. I'm not denigrating his work but he cannot be considered a designer or inventor. Developer possibly? And a very good one.

@mwatkins2464 5 лет назад

p o if his work was as easy as taking different parts from other guns and combining them then why didn’t others do the same. He was very talented for putting together a rifle that’s still used today all over the world !!

@crow3003 5 лет назад

I did not know who Max was before this video, and did think 33 minutes on the AK was a long video. How could one use 33 minutes on a well known subject like the AK? Know i am amased, Max could talk an hour more and i would be glued to the screen. Thank you Ian for bringing mr. Popenker and his deep knowledge of the AK and å lot more to us And thank you mr. Popenker for doing this colaberation, i truly loved every minute of it and learned å lot. спасибо (spasibo).

@mrhappyface4181 5 лет назад

Me: Who is this guy Max: I run website Modern Firearms Me: Oh. It's my hero who's given me more reading material than I care to process. *proceeds to disconnect headphones and plug in house speaker* Me: Excellent. Continue.

@stacybrown3714 5 лет назад

This is the kind of content that bolsters your channel as reference material!

@GreenCanoeb 5 лет назад

Yep! Loved it. More conversations with Max and others like him. Thanks!

@CabbageBloke 5 лет назад

Ian, when Larry Vickers went to Russia to fire the AN94 and AEK-971 and also went to the museum to show the ultra rare German weapons, do you think he could get you In contact with the same people to get access to these weapons for you?

@88manta88 5 лет назад

The Mkb42(W) is not "ultra rare", in fact, Ian did present it in the malta series. Also the Potsdamish and Neumünsterish "wonders of sheetmetal" are anything but new or rare. Only the "Автомат Хорна" as the last ditch STG from Metall- und Lackwarenfabrik Johannes Großfuß is interesting due to the Gas delay system (This time properly working not as in Karl Barnitzke's VG1-5). I much rather would be interested in the last ditch efforts of Knorr-Bremse and Spreewerke. Or a MG45 prototype. Or a Wimmersperg clone. Most interesting would be the late war effort from Haenel. They tried to compete with Mauser against their Gerät06H with this: www.smallarmsoftheworld.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=532 We DEFINITELY need it. Maybe Ian can elaborate this a bit :)

@CabbageBloke 5 лет назад

@@88manta88 Those weapons I have mentioned are just an example. I took from the Larry Vickers' video. I have no doubt there are ultra rare Soviet/Russian weapons too.

@AICW 5 лет назад

Max Popenker is a *legend.* I first visited world.guns.ru back in 2000, those were the good old days of the Internet.

@jamesjanssen2378 5 лет назад

Besides the historical story of the AK , its a service to DEBUNK the Schmeisser myth. Lots of internet "experts " imagine all sort of crap . Great vid , one of your best !!!!!

@weasle2904 2 года назад

The AK-47 is derived from several other firearms, this is not debunked lol. The bolt is a mechanical copy from the M1 Garand, gas system is derived from the SVT and STG-44, trigger is a copy of John Browning's trigger design that was used in many of his firearms, etc.

@FerociousHypercube Год назад

@@weasle2904 yes, and?

@MrDragonkarp 2 месяца назад

@@weasle2904 The thing is people like the conspiracy of "Oh the Russians put a gun to schmiesser head to make AK and gave Kalashnikov the credit for Russian propoganda" rather than the truth😂

@ivant5054 29 дней назад

@@weasle2904holly crap imagine being so EXTREMELY WRONG, the fire control group AND piston rod was heavily inspired by the M1 garand, you are so lazy you couldn't even quote Kalashnikov properly the bolt and locker was inspired by the SVT, and the STG 44 has virtually NO RESEMBLANCE to an AK... I mean, have you ACTUALLY looked inside an stg44?

@OneShotNick92 5 лет назад

Oh my gosh its max popenker!!!!! Im a huge fan!!!!

@harak58 5 лет назад

would you recommend his books?

@Nobody-Nowhere-USA 5 лет назад

Most credible gun writer in Russia!

@wlewisiii 5 лет назад

The idea that the SKS was the primary rifle while at first the AK was a SMG replacement makes so much more sense than the usual story. I am glad that this allowed so many to be made so that we can still find surplus SKS carbines at lower prices than AKs. I really need to get one again - it remains my favorite Soviet firearm.

@mkfreel 5 лет назад

Yes, more please! I'd love to hear about the AKM and RPK trials as well. Really cool to know about how they dropped the numerical designation after adoption.

@simonferrer 5 лет назад

mkfreel I thought that was interesting as well, and analogous to how the U.S. military drops the "X" from the front of a model number once that model is actually adopted (i.e. the XM17 pistol becoming the M17 pistol once it was adopted).

@curseofa5r5a 5 лет назад

Good lord i been reading maxim since i was a child, it was him who introduced me to firearms history and design, seen him with Ian is a truly pleasant surprise

@keithm5378 5 лет назад

Yup! Me too! Been reading WorldGuns.Ru since the late 2000s. A wonderful reliable source of info on obscure firearms that even Wikipedia didn't cover. This is an awesome crossover!

@curseofa5r5a 5 лет назад

@@keithm5378 i was 10 in 2003 when i found an image of a weird looking firearm, that lead to that site, i Could not read english by then but i Wandered across the Vast collection of images the website had to offer, i spent so much time on it that i was once scolded for it by one of my teachers, it was worth every second, the site is amazing

@BadPractices 3 года назад

Oh my gosh. This is the man who kicked it all off. Max is a legend, and I didn't even know his name. I have loved that website since I was a child.

@tdugong 5 лет назад

This is like a RU-vidr asking Steven Spielberg to appear in their video, yeah? I'm honoured.

@Wipa4 5 лет назад

amin johari Pre 2000's Spielberg. Because everything Spielberg made in past 15+ years is meh at best.

@ArcturusOTE 5 лет назад

@@Wipa4 Guess Saving Private Ryan really broke him apart, did it?

@Wipa4 5 лет назад

Yayo' Ariowibowo Ryan was made in 1998. Since that time he hasn't made anything memorable. Crystal Skull is remembered only by its failed reception. I doubt it will becamr a classic like first three movies did. And there is a 5-th installment of the series coming in 2021, that will most likely share the fate of its predecessor.

@stardust_2339 5 лет назад

At around 17:20, "Kalashnikov talked his way into getting in for the next round."

@G_v._Losinj2_ImportantPlaylist 5 лет назад

Stardust_23 i think he said trial

@frankl5963 5 лет назад

21:36 should read "troop trials," not supplies.

@AbananaPEEl 5 лет назад

Also 10:58 he says "A little bit too heavy" not "a little bit unhappy"

@charlie15627 5 лет назад

Very informative Thank you Max And Ian of course

@johnnyappleseed6415 5 лет назад

An oral history of the AK from someone with a Russian accent. Someone hand me a scotch on the rocks, I gotta go light a cigar...

@MrSmith336 5 лет назад

Definitely, "more chats with Max!" I really enjoyed this Ian. Thank-you for making this possible. I look forward to see more from Mr. Popenker.

@andrewwaterman9240 5 лет назад

Excellent video, Ian! Very informative. Max's English is extremely good, but it was still helpful to be able to read along with the subtitles. You did a really good job with the subtitles, by the way. Very pleasant way for me to spend my morning.

@Triffid96 5 лет назад

@@AkiSan0 That's an IT background for you. When you deal with written English a good decade prior any verbal practice, you'll run into constant urge to pronounce a word as if you're reading Cyrillic. Nasty habit that's really hard to get rid of afterwards.

@TotalRookie_LV 5 лет назад

WoW, ну нихрена себе! That's some quite unexpected combo. Maxim pretty much is the one who got me interested into firearms beyond that initial "this one looks cool" level.

@laplander303 5 лет назад

ну нихрена себе! Точнее и не скажешь! :))

@MrTrombonator 5 лет назад

Release such a vid ON 9th OF MAY, what a lad, thank you Ian!!!

@FPoP1911 10 месяцев назад

Max's website has been an essential part of my fascination with military gear since teenage years. in mid 2000s

@Sunabodzu 5 лет назад

Best crossover episode about small arms history for the time beeing.

@tarekmalaeb8229 5 лет назад

Mr. Popenker was among the first to provide information to the gun enthusiasts around the world , thank you for the amazing video and great information. "благодарю вас"

@manishbhat8570 5 лет назад

Thanks for the video Ian! This was super informative, would love to see more videos with Max. I've always had an interest in Russian small arms manufacture.

@chuckcochran8599 Год назад

Thank you Max, for joining up with Ian to give us a complete history of Kalishnikov' AK family, as well as the pre AK arms development that helped lead to the AK. Germany and Russia recognized earlier than the rest of us, the advantages of the Intermediate Cartridge. I learned some new details and you corrected some misconceptions/misinformation, and I appreciate that. Hope to see you on future videos helping Ian with the forgotten Russian and Warsaw Pact weapons.

@Bert2368 5 лет назад

I am 1:30 in- And all I can think is: OUTSTANDING!!! Back before querying the internet on a weapon name got you endless idiocy about video games instead of real info, THIS GUY was the ONE decent online source on Eastern european military hardware of the previous 50 or so years & a damn good source for the rest of the world too.

@jameskachman3692 5 лет назад

Thank you for providing the caption. I very much appreciate Mr. Popenker giving this interview in english, but they made it much more understandable. (His English is much better than my Russian, so I can hardly throw stones!) A fascinating interview overall, thank you both for conducting it!

@sweterollo8951 5 лет назад

Incredible video! As someone who loves learning about Russian small arms development, I still learned quite a few things watching this. In particular, I found the debunking of the myth that Russia only used the SKS for a few years before transferring over to the AK wholesale to be most enlightening. Learning that the SKS was used for closer to 8-10 years as primary carbine for ordinary troops makes so much more sense! I can't wait for Mr Popenkr to return and speak further on the RPK and AKM.

@charlescurtius2261 5 лет назад

what an amazing opportunity to hear Mr |Popenker. i have always enjoyed your videos but damn this one is special

@datacentermgmt 5 лет назад

Gun Jesus appears to Gun Pope(nker) in Burning Bush vision.

@Drrolfski 5 лет назад

If Ian is Gun Jesus then Max is Gun God

@datacentermgmt 5 лет назад

@rolf ski: I'm sticking with Pope because of his last name Pope(nker). Besides, we all know the Holy Trinity of Firearms includes Father, Son & Holy Spirit with Ian as Gun Jesus, with Eugene Stoner and Mikhail Kalashnikov as God and Holy Spirit (but I won't specify which designer is which diety). I guess Sam Colt and few others fit in as well, but then we get into the whole Old Testament Vs New Testament debate. Cheers Mate!

@Drrolfski 5 лет назад

@@datacentermgmt Fair enough, Max' name indeed does check out

@datacentermgmt 5 лет назад

@rolf ski: Say one Hail Mary, and two Second Amendments and all is forgiven, go with Piece.

@mwatkins2464 5 лет назад

datacentermgmt you’re sick 🤕

@fab006 5 лет назад

At 11:00, your subtitles say they were “unhappy” with Sudayev’s assault rifle, but I’m pretty sure I hear Max saying it was “too heavy”.

@rinflame44 5 лет назад

Pretty sure he said 'a little bit too heavy'. Also the question mark around 17-minute mark is 'next round'. Just in case people want to fill in the gaps.

@swillm3ister 2 года назад

@@AkiSan0 LoL good catch

@1804unclesam 5 лет назад

Great interview and information. I’m looking forward to more of this.

@ukaszbiernat4305 5 лет назад

Max is a legend, good to see he's doing fine

@user-qo3is3iz3i 5 лет назад

Really nice video. Thank you Ian for it. Maxim told the audience some real peace of history. I would gladly see more videos with him. Максим, спасибо тебе за участие в проектах Иана. Действительно интересно, буду рад увидеть больше видео с твоими интервью.

@ichwillzocken4510 5 лет назад

Waiting for another video with Max! Thanks for your great work Ian! I am studying engineering in Germany and I see every one of your videos not only as an interesting part of engineering sciences, but also as a kind of monument to the hours and hours of work and hardship, a whole life of work of those gun designers. One may be sceptical about weapon development and the arms designers themselves (I also am, although I try to look at it from all perspectives.), but those men deserve, that their memory is kept alive and future generations can learn from their errors and successes in technical as well as in personal terms.

@SgtStinger 5 лет назад

I've spent many many hours on world guns ru over the years. Such a good website, and I'm glad it's still around!

@Subsidiarity3 5 лет назад

This is a great convergence. The forums on Max's website were great reading during the period when I had a lot of time on my hands at work. There were a lot of the usual arguments and posturing but I also remember a thread that was a memorial for a Brazilian police officer who had an account there because he was trying to identify the guns he was taking from the criminal gangs he was taking down. Apparently there was quite a variety and Max's website was his best resource. He died in the line of duty.

@cannonfodder4376 5 лет назад

Well this was something I was never anticipating. This will be good. Edit: an informative discussion. I very much look forward to more and hope other guns and topics will be discussed, the Korobov guns like the TKB-0022PM and 517 are of great interest to me.

@XxX_KeithMason69_XxX 5 лет назад

I would love to learn about the history of Korobov and his experimental firearms as well.

@igorsova 5 лет назад

What would be really interesting is to compare STG44 with AK46 and with AK47.

@peterbenson2185 5 лет назад

This was amazing to watch. Again, you've found a way of not just getting the story and details across.... But we get to hear the facts of the actual evolvement and process of design to full production. Outstanding.

@Ray-tg1sj 5 лет назад

Excellent information, thank you two for putting this together.

@MrKilljoy212 5 лет назад

The content is equal parts enjoyable and informative, I would greatly approve of more talks in the future like this one and the Dragunov development

@whatnowstinky 5 лет назад

i could happily watch another two hours of Max just on the early trials, let alone everything else. can we please get more of these videos.

@AndrewSchott 5 лет назад

Loved the interview. Would be elated to have more interviews and more from Max.

@MultiSycorax 5 лет назад

Max's website turned me into the gun nut I am today and I never knew his name, THANK YOU SO MUCH BOTH OF YOU

@sneakillysneak2388 5 лет назад

This guy has a Lurkmore article about him. What a legend! I believe, that Ian actually wanted to tell something.

@triggerhippy2826 5 лет назад

That was great, an absolutely enthralling interview, Thanks Ian

@BustTheNut 5 лет назад

now this is a treat, cant wait for more videos with you and Max.

@Nf6xNet 5 лет назад

Very interesting discussion, and I'd be happy to hear more from Max. I mostly understood him just fine without looking at the subtitles much. Thank you both for doing this collaboration.

@alexander0125 5 лет назад

Quite literally the Forgotten Weapons guy of Russia

@AthosRac 4 года назад

Amazing interview, thanks from Brazil. Please do more with this guy. I know its probably hard for you this kind of video because of the subtitles but it do worth the extra time for sure!

@PiotrTSzymanski 5 лет назад

It would be really fascinating to have a Forgotten Weapons video on the Sudayev AS-44 rifle, which is an actual forgotten weapon. But, at least for my taste, it is the most elegant of all the Soviet early assault rifle prototypes.

@Chayonray 5 лет назад

Fascinating! Excellent debunking supported by evidence. Look forward to the upcoming episodes with this gentleman. You scored a real coup here Ian sir!

@jannegrey593 5 лет назад

Very nice collaboration. Thank you.

@ak47henke 5 лет назад

Great Episode!!! Wow, what a fantastic story, hope to see more like this!!!

@emergingloki 5 лет назад

Fascinating! Listening to an expert who obviously knows his stuff and can make it interesting (even in his second(?) language) is always a joy! Thank you Max, and Ian for giving us this opportunity.

@noahcount7132 5 лет назад

That was EXCELLENT! A great big Thank You to Ian and Max!

@Taistelukalkkuna 5 лет назад

Definitely looking forward to hear more from Max.

@IVKAZ 5 лет назад

Very insightful video; I'll be looking forward to an RPK followup.

@Seabass1206 5 лет назад

RPK is an AK variant!

@MCYonazz 5 лет назад

@@Seabass1206 Yes, but Max specifically mentioned how the replacement of the RPD by the RPK would be a different story he'd tell at another time.

@ArcturusOTE 5 лет назад

@@MCYonazz Why did the RPD get replaced by the RPK anyway, especially in times where belt fed MGs start to dominate over their mag fed predecessor?

@IVKAZ 5 лет назад

@@Seabass1206 I'm well aware it's in the family.

@chadking464 3 года назад

We need more with Mr. Popenker, he is extremely knowledgable!

@OlujaDoTokija 5 лет назад

Can't wait for the next episode with Max!

@steffanwamsley7575 5 лет назад

Thank you Mr. Popenker and Ian .

@lwrii1912 5 лет назад

This was a very informative and interesting video. I like to hear all sides of an issue. Getting such a candid and authoritative account from someone who actually lives where the AK was designed and used was a treat for sure. I'm defiantly interested in hearing more.

@krzyryry8382 5 лет назад

Absolutely fantastic!!! Thank you Ian and Max!

@MrGherox 5 лет назад

Can't wait for the next video with Max. This was a great collaboration!

@SlyFox1943 5 лет назад

The regular gun videos are cool, but the interviews are always my favorite. Glad to see material from him as you make me feel old about those websites.

@billdawg795 5 лет назад

Best way to start my morning thanks ian!!!!

@andreyyasyuchenya2868 5 лет назад

Great vid! I hope there will be more!

@BrochachoEnchilada 5 лет назад

Thanks Ian! I've been waiting for a video on this topic for a long time

@samuelworstell3786 5 лет назад

Thank you. Very educational and relevant. I admire your collection.

@opforind 5 лет назад

Great stuff! Can’t wait for more!

@macfilms9904 5 лет назад

Fantastic history of the AK. Great collaboration, looking forward to more in the future.

@enriqueestebanantoniosuare6414 5 лет назад

Great video Ian! Very enlightning. Thank to you and Max for this.

@brucewilliams6292 5 лет назад

Great content, thank you so much for bringing Max on.

@csours 5 лет назад

Keep these coming for sure!

@01ZombieMoses10 5 лет назад

My only complaint is the quality, but I understand that with this opportunity, the crapiness of a recorded skype call is more than worth the awesome deluge of history and information gleaned with this interview.

@99thBattalion 5 лет назад

Absolutely mind blowing. So many things I thought I knew completely blown out of the water. Amazing.

@grandpaweber2097 5 лет назад

That was one of the most interesting and fact-filled videos I have ever watched. Thank you very much, Sir, for sharing this information.

@swillm3ister 2 года назад

This was a great video. Thank you both.

@RichWhiteUM 5 лет назад

I love watching videos like this on the actual development of iconic weapons.

@TheBigOne0305 5 лет назад

Amazing video! Thank you for this in-depth view of the AK origins.

@Spork888 5 лет назад

Loved getting such depth and history.

@KTMS4420 5 лет назад

Amazing content! This is why I love the channel! Great information straight from an excellent source. Thank YOU for making and sharing this.

@aussieexpat 5 лет назад

Awesome, can't wait for the next!

@richarddixon7276 5 лет назад

More chats with Max ! , I look forward to that ,Thanks Ian & Max , like a child at Christmas I can hardly wait .

@magic_turtle_25 5 лет назад

Максим, приятно вас видеть на этом канале! Не знал, что ваш портал оказывает такое влияние на западное оружейное сообщество. Being Russian, I'm glad that such a famous firearms expert as Ian (aka gun Jesus) knows and appreciates outstanding experts from Russia! Looking forward to more colaborations! P.S. You should correct subtitles mistakes. They are numerous!

@kamaangirthearcher 5 лет назад

Hands down one the most interesting vids on this channel!

@falkenvir 2 года назад

AK design still used and discussed more than 70+ Years later...incredible

@grgazg1 5 лет назад

Thank you for very useful and enlightening information on the design of the AK

@TK199999 2 года назад

I am not surprised Kalashnikov took the recommendations to heart. Since he was known for not having a massive ego like his contemporaries. A humility that he would have for rest of his life. It's also something to remember that early in the 1940's Kalashnikov invented a new tachometer for the T-34 all on his own. Since he felt the original one was not cutting it and the Army impressed by his work went on to adopt his tachometer. This demonstrated he already had engineering savvy before he went on to design guns.

@KidNato 5 лет назад

Just started the vid but thanks in advance for bringing in Max!

@andrewstewart1464 5 лет назад

WOW it's the guy behind the website I got in trouble for looking at in the school library! I remember MF.com's pre-overhaul look over 10 years ago; I had a more than passing interest in small arms and military armored fighting vehicles in my youth due to video games, and I found the site organically. Both Popenker's site and Ian V. Hogg's book "Military Small Arms of the 20th Century" were my go-to references for anything that went bang that you could fit in your hands. Not in my adulthood I am a firearms owner and enthusiast and have a lot of that to owe to Mr Popenker. Thank you, sir! Oh, and sorry to my principal who had to call me into his office for a stern talk. :P

@arthurcrime 5 лет назад

Really great & informative video, a huge thanks for putting Max on your channel. I learned a great deal from this. Thanks again.

@spacedredd 5 лет назад

Ian, this is totally awesome!!! I remember looking up new firearms on his website! Thank so much for arranging this video...

@Goblin08yh 5 лет назад

Amazing video! definitely have him back for more topics on soviet firearms!!!

@thegoldencaulk2742 5 лет назад

What a fantastic opportunity to link up with Max! His website is what got my interest in firearms started. One of my favorite pictures from that site was of Max, holding an AN-94 and rocking a bitchin' mustache!