The dry firing on the milwaulkee is designed to do so. You only need to watch their promotional video to see that. It's so that you can put a zip tie through. A good feature, in my opinion, especially when you have a lot of cables in one area.
The dry-firing with Milwaukee could come in handy cause I've seen cables being supported with staples and zipties. With the dewalt you have to put your finger on the part that pushes in on the barrel
Maybe don't want to stick your finger in there. I carry a little 4" Romex stub in my tool belt. Just slip it under the head, fire, and slide it back out.
dry fire is a significant plus in my book, as explained by others. pay attention to your work, mind your trigger finger, and don’t rely on a tool to idiotproof yourself. The only downside I see to milwaukee from this review is the proprietary staples. Should be able to use 3rd party / competitor staples too, that is just plain greed to make a buck at buyer’s expense right there
I actually prefer the looser stapling of the Dewalt. It would make it easier to leave a service loop higher up in the wall that could be easily pulled down into the box.
What a great video. Thanks for the mention. Obviously I had to buy the dewalt version as I couldn’t wait for the Milwaukee to be released in the uk 🇬🇧. I quite like the Milwaukee, one of which I will obviously buy one at some stage. I like the fact that he fires without a cable so you could actually probably use it for caping or banding as a traditional nail gun. Cheers mate
Great video, both look great. I prefer the slightly loose fit, applying no pressure on cable. I've used both and the Milwaukee is always on the snug side, and gets tight on multiple cables which is a problem for sensitive data cables or round cables. The DeWalt appears to maintain a consistent looseness on wood or concrete.
There is a depth gauge, just dont put too much pressure, works great with data. No hiccups so far. 11 more staples. Its obvious. But pick what you got battery for :P
I think I'm speeding £16 for 760 clips for the dewalt. Very cost effective when you take time saved into account. Thing you have to remember with the Dewalt is if you don't hold it onto a surface tight it doesn't clip very deep because the rebound is so high. Also the Dewalt is normally around £190 for the bare unit in screwfix though the prices are creeping up. Regardless if you're on the platform for either brand already, get one.
Benefit to being able to dry fire is that the M12 could double as a standard staple gun in a pinch, obviously not ideal for the job though given cost of staples and standoff, but they're long enough to do the job!
I have both, and the dewalt already broke twice first time still under warranty and the second time I had to replace the transmission inside of it myself they wanted almost the same price as buying a new one to fix it. Milwaukee haven't had an issue with it so far.
Price update in US, I just paid 49.97US for 3 boxes @ 600 per box. I also received a "Home Depot" special for the unit at 229.00 and a free battery (79.00 value). Great Review Thanks!!
I have the DeWalt because I wanted the Romex stapler and didn't want to wait another few years for the Milwaukee version. I might give the DeWalt to my friend who has mainly DeWalt tools and get myself the Milwaukee because I like the fact that the Milwaukee will fire even without a cable between the guides. The DeWalt has a center tension nib that must be depressed by a cable in order to fire and even though there's a cable in there, sometimes it still won't fire if it's just a 14-2 cable or smaller, which is really annoying.
I saw in a Milwaukee video that the dry staple allows you to place a staple then zip tie to it. Not sure if that is just a marketing narrative to explain away a possible issue but I can see times when I would use the zip tie feature
@@TheOtisUpham shouldn't droop if it's correctly supported with the correct spacing. Personally I don't like the idea that the cables can't move. After installation. Everything should be allowed to expand/contract and react to operating temperature fluctuations to avoid fatigue. The medium reference method your stapling to will expand and contact to different rates than your pvc insulated copper cable.
@oscartheslayer9264 I like you, Oscar. Fair enough. That's a very good argument. I guess personally I don't like give in my supports. I've heard of romex slipping out of staples from both of these staple guns. When I do a run across a joist where it's gonna be visible, I prefer it to look nice and straight. Totally an aesthetic thing but something these guns don't seem to achieve. Totally understand your argument though.
I guess the only thing with the dewalt is that there is play in the cables but that could also be good if you have to pull it back through the clip and put a different cable in
Did you know there are 2 sizes of staples for the dewalt you get 25mm and 19mm I think so maybe with the shorter staples it will hold the cables better 🤞
You sold me on the dewalt despite your surprising (to me) recommendation of the Milwaukee at the end!! I thought the dry firing & Milwaukee misfires resulting in damage to the cable would have swayed you over to the dewalt camp. The play between the cable & staple is a feature not a bug of the dewalt. I prefer it for safety over a snug fit that might damage the cable in an unseen way. Cables need to be held fast first and foremost. Snug is secondary imho. I own both battery platforms so I’m not bias in any way. I would like to add that what stopped from buying in the first place was the girth of both handles!! I have a large hand I neither felt secure in the hand.
The milwaukee has a depth gauge, the more pressure you apply, the tigher it is gonna get and to be able to staple without a cable is feature and not a bug, and 11 more capacity which is a +++
That is not a design problem on the Milwaukee it shoot Staples without the wire. That's a good thing. Not a design flaw. I repeat. It's a good thing that the Milwaukee can dry fire. That's a very good thing because sometime if the wire is too big like a ser cable service you can't staple that you have to dry fire first and then take a zip tie to zip tie the ser cable. So Milwaukee that's a plus. I hated that DeWalt doesn't follow Milwaukee. I will buy the Milwaukee instead of the DeWalt
Only concern for the Milwaukee is on the bigger cables I’d be worried it damages the cores and outer sheathing. A big pro for both of them is that I’m pretty sure the clips are fire rated
I Like the fact the Dewalt leaves a bit of play how many times have we all cut something slightly short the ceiling is now up and you need an inch? and for me they are fire rated clips so as long as the cable is not haging and its fully supported then that will do me i have not used in block yet so cannot comment but good video geez.
Guys on the job site will give me crap but my Journeyman uses one and it saves your back is safer when your on scafolding or high ladder trying to swing your hammer.
Both are great for romex cable, but they are horrible for cat 5/6 ethernet cable when you more than 3, milwaukee allows you to wrap a bunch using a zip tie when used as anchor for zip ties, if you are running more than a few giving you a firmer and deeper grip, do not use with a HDMI cables, will cut them internally and make them useless by damaging the cable, use zip ties
would have liked to see you use coaxial cable whether the round shape of the cable will be an issue with the square staples . will the staples cause damage to the cable because the cable is round?
Dewalt for the win. Speed, safe, and not as hard to pull a wire or staple out to make a change. When you need a staple just a tad tighter, let’s say at the beginning and end of a run, give those select staples a couple of love taps. You don’t have that option with the Milwaukee. Ultimately, a depth setting would be ideal. But given no setting on either, dewalt for the win.
@@LuisGarcia-xf6mq I third this. There is alot of people who don't realize that the Milwaukee has a depth gauge and you can decide if you want a loose fit or a snug fit, hence it being more modular and can staple without cable, hence can be used for other stuff and 11 more capacity, which is a +++ in my mind
@@TheDarthJesus other reviews on RU-vid prefer the Dewalt because it allows some movement in the lines to make corrections... Doesn't crush or pinch cables. My cousin is an electrician and also likes the Dewalt. He's seen the Milwaukee deform data cables etc the Milwaukee dry firing is also not that great of a design choice
I disagree the DeWalt is better it leaves the cable looser on chance of damage to the cable and if you need to put another cable in later you can re tbread into existing clips saving money
The milwaukee has a depth gauge, the more pressure you apply, the tigher it is gonna get and to be able to staple without a cable is feature and not a bug, and 11 more capacity which is a +++ If you want a loose fit, then dont apply much pressure, simple as that. See how Milwaukee is far ahead of dewalt? DeWalt is likle Ryobi :)))
Mad how when you tried to miss fire the cable the DeWalt seemed to clip in the best 😂 DeWalt has been about for about 2 years so no wonder Milwaukee cains it 😢
What? RUNNING THE CABLES IN PARALLEL VERTICAL i THOUGHT IS AGAINST NEC CODE. TOO MUCH RISK OF FLATTENING OR CRUSHING THEM THEN WHEN THEY ARE LAYING FLAT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. ARE YOU EVEN AN ELECTRICIAN. NEC OR NOT YOU SHOULD NEVER DO THAT!!
