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Did Berdly Accidentally Reveal the Knight!? A Deltarune Theory 

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Writer's Theory - Gerson's Wife Could Be The Knight!
Yeah, yeah, yeah... There's all kinds of crazy theories out there, and this might just be one of them! However, in this video we'll endeavor to spin a possibility that could complement the game's story and teach us something about writing mysteries.
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@thedocblock6421
@thedocblock6421 11 месяцев назад
"I'd like... A Deltarune theory trying to figure out who the knight is" "How original." "Claiming to have definitive proof for their theory." "Daring today, aren't we."
@Yx_Shorty_xY
@Yx_Shorty_xY 11 месяцев назад
“One Deltarune Knight theory, extra bread crumbs.” “One Crying Doggie, coming up!”
@rafaelrivera7594
@rafaelrivera7594 11 месяцев назад
And then theres me not caring about the knight until he appears only caring for what he does and the thing i see important are the secret bosses i want to SEE MORE WACKOS GOD DAMMIT we have crazy boi jevil with [NUMBER 1 RATED SALESMAN] spamton
@salemmarz3809
@salemmarz3809 10 месяцев назад
@@rafaelrivera7594who said the knight was a he 🤔 it could be anyone
@mrblakeboy1420
@mrblakeboy1420 10 месяцев назад
@@rafaelrivera7594 *it
@nataliaborys1554
@nataliaborys1554 9 месяцев назад
​@@salemmarz3809 Yeah, the Knight is refered to with it/its pronouns by the darkners usually ("It Coursed Its Will Into Its Blade" ~Queen "What does that Knight have going for it that I don't?" ~ Cap'n) So it might be a he, but it might just as well be a she or a they.
@Oceane1803
@Oceane1803 11 месяцев назад
I suspected Alvin and ruled out Ms. Boom because we haven't met her yet, but her being the Knight instead of Alvin would explain why he doesn't have his own portrait and talking sounds. He's not actually that important. Ms. Boom is the important one.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
Father Alvin is a very important character, because he not only gives us more insights into the Dreemurrs than weirdly enough the family themselves, but he is also directly connected to the community and the false face it wears to say that everything is fine! But we see that façade already slipping in Chapter 2, and he's worried about it. And like I point out in this theory, he very likely has an important connection to the Dark World, too. Now, all of this is presented to us in the game as helpful information, but also kind of like a smokescreen, potentially distracting us from the possibility that Ms. Boom is actually the Knight.
@Oceane1803
@Oceane1803 11 месяцев назад
@@camillesharem Yeah probably
@SSL_2004
@SSL_2004 Месяц назад
The lack of a talking Sprite doesn't really matter. Neither Spanton nor Jevil have one, and Mettaton didn't have one in Undertale until he got his EX forum (what you can't even see unless you go to Waterfall after beating Asriel or in the two specific neutral endings where Mettaton becomes the ruler of the underground)
@Oceane1803
@Oceane1803 Месяц назад
@@SSL_2004 That's fair.
@TheSkyGuy77
@TheSkyGuy77 11 месяцев назад
Interesting, never thought that Gerson's widow might be the Knight
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
Yeah, the idea and connections kind of blindsided me too! I wish I had delved a little into WHY Mrs. Boom would be the Knight, her motivations, but then I'd be completely speculating! That's one of the elements that makes this such a kooky theory.
@dorkasdaydreams
@dorkasdaydreams 11 месяцев назад
@camillesharem691 I'm still on board with your theory, but there's one detail I feel the need to bring attention to: there's no evidence that suggests that the librarian is specifically the widow of Gerson. Yes, she is a member of the Boom family, but her title is "Ms.", not "Mrs.", implying that she is not married. I find the idea of her not being called "Mrs. Boom" in spite of marrying into the Boom family somewhat odd. Personally, I think a case could be made for her being Alvin's sister. Nonetheless, I agree with many of the points you made, especially regarding Ms. Boom having access to all those rooms.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
@@dorkasdaydreams Thanks for sharing those counterpoints. It's true that she goes by Ms. Boom, which could mean she is Alvin's sister. And another person pointed out that she might not even be the librarian. It's based conjecture in that Berdly works at the library and says he has a shift with Ms. Boom. So, it's not an airtight theory! Still, I feel like the Boom family is in way deep in whatever is going on in Home Town. And I'll do a double fist in the air victory lap if I turn out to be right. Haha!
@joewilliams-un8vu
@joewilliams-un8vu 11 месяцев назад
I read this as “I never thought that Gerson’s window might be the Knight”
@Missingno_Miner
@Missingno_Miner 11 месяцев назад
@@dorkasdaydreams Small point: "Ms." does not tell us anything about marital status, and is used by women regardless of if they're married. You seem to be confusing it with "Miss", an entirely separate honorific. You're still totally correct that it could refer to Gerson's daughter instead of his widow, but just thought it was worth pointing out that some of your logic was faulty.
@tcsghost6984
@tcsghost6984 11 месяцев назад
Just so you know Ms. Boom is probably Alvin's sister, not Gerson's Wife. If she was his widow she would still be Mrs. Boom, and Alvin says that Gerson had multiple children. (I'm curious if she's even the librarian too, while Berdly obviously has been seen working at the library for some reason when he says he's late to his shift he leaves the library?) Also the Knight probably had nothing to do with Jevil, the Knight seems to have only arrived after Jevil was already locked up and if the "strange someone" Seam mentioned was the Knight they would have just said the Knight given they had already told us about the Knight. I really like that you brought up how Toby says he hopes we can be friends with everyone one day though, I feel like a lot of theorists skim over that when talking about the relationship between the characters and the player for example.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
It's true, this theory is far from being airtight. Ms. Boom could be Alvin's sister, which would work just as well, since she could have similar connections and access to places around Home Town. I have seen the argument posted as well that Ms. Boom might not be the librarian, and that could be the case. They also suggested that she works in the church. Personally, I'm still sticking to the library. Even though Berdly isn't visibly there, doesn't mean he isn't in a place inaccessible to us. It reminds me of my first job where I would be late to work while already being in the building... Anyway, those embarrassing memories aside, though Seam makes it sound like Jevil came across the truth himself, Spamton's own story implies someone else's intervention. This is where the theories about Gaster normally come into play, but I find it far more fitting for the Knight to be the active villain in those cases. Especially since Gaster's interference in the story seems to be wrapped up around Kris. Ultimately, it is a fair amount of speculation, but my hope is that people who watch this video will take a closer look at many of the background details and reassess the dialogue we kind of take for granted in the game. Because I think there are some major clues hidden in plain sight! Like how Catti and Jockington are very likely the next classmates to end up in the Dark World with Kris and Susie.
@anbon4985
@anbon4985 10 месяцев назад
@@camillesharem i mean seam says that his view became darker yet darker which is a refrence to gaster and one of the adisons says that they heard garbage noise from spamton's phone which is a refrence to when you try to use your phone in the darkworld which itself is a refrence to the song that plays during entery 17 which is obv related to gaster so i dont think the knight did anything to jevil/spamton
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 10 месяцев назад
@@anbon4985 Gaster is the answer. This fun theory was to go in a new direction and get people thinking. Plus it was an enjoyable epiphany to follow. But it's very likely that the main storyline follows the Knight while the optional bosses and their backgrounds are more intertwined with Gaster and whatever he's been up to.
@DogDogGodFog
@DogDogGodFog 9 месяцев назад
Yeah, considering that Father Alvin himself is already old.
@trondordoesstuff
@trondordoesstuff 11 месяцев назад
Note - It's Ms. Boom, not Mrs. Boom. This means her marital status is unknown; she could easily be Gerson's daughter. We do know he had multiple children - | * Originally a smith by trade, he began writing history... * And made a turn into telling stories, * As a means to entertain his children. I personally do think that plot-wise Father Alvin makes more sense as the Knight, considering the Knight's thematic relation to the Angel. In my opinion, Alvin's line about his father's hammer is him questioning whether he should attempt to create a Darkner from it, so that he might have some way of speaking to his father again. 4:25 Seam states that Jevil spoke to a "strange someone" a very long time ago; this is mentioned distinct from the sudden appearance of the Knight, which happened only recently.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
The Ms. Boom in question could be Gerson's daughter, that absolutely correct. But I think it might still be her (whether mother or sister) rather than father Alvin in part due to the ruined Dark World that Kris and Susie first enter. Since it's heavily implied that Alvin once went to the Dark World, and there exist these ancient ruins with symbols similar to those of the Titans, that he might have experienced something like the Roaring. He clearly knows more than he's letting on, but his wry actions and frankness to me don't paint him as someone going cloak and dagger around Home Town opening Fountains. However, that being said, there's no denying that his past does make him suspect. As for Seam's comments about Jevil and the Knight, the moment anyone mentions Gaster these days people immediately get up in arms. Personally, I think that Gaster is behind what's happened to Jevil and Spamton, along with all the other optional bosses. However, the possibility that Knight could be directly linked is not something to overlook. And Ms. Boom or Alvin would probably have acted under the moniker of the Knight back in the day.
@trondordoesstuff
@trondordoesstuff 11 месяцев назад
@@camillesharem "the moment anyone mentions Gaster these days people immediately get up in arms" My experience with the community is that Gaster being the "strange someone" has been practically ubiquitous and unquestioned, with a few niche theories around the fringes to the contrary. There was that brief span of time where some of us thought the lyrics to BIG SHOT were "Please, Knight, answer the phone // You've assisted me all along" but that's besides the point and was usually used as Gaster Knight evidence anyways
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
@@trondordoesstuff You're lucky, because I've been berated by those kinds of comments ever since I did a video on 5 darker theories nearly a year ago.
@magpye5623
@magpye5623 7 месяцев назад
I think his quote about the hammer is more him insinuating that he used it to open up a dark world
@thegreendragon5390
@thegreendragon5390 7 месяцев назад
Interesting theory and good points to support it. I too had reasons to suspect the Boom family. In fact, my predicted Guest Party Member for the Church Dark World was Father Alven. It would certainly add some tension if Alven knew who the Knight was and took actions to protect her.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 7 месяцев назад
It would be awesome to go on an adventure with father Alvin, because that guy has to know something at the very least! And I believe he's already been to the Dark World at least once before.
@joewilliams-un8vu
@joewilliams-un8vu 11 месяцев назад
I did expect the Knight’s identity to be a welcome surprise but not this one, that’s for sure!
@DoodleZoo
@DoodleZoo 10 месяцев назад
1. Ralsei didn’t *confirm* the roaring instantly begins if you make a dark world inside a dark world 2. It isn’t confirmed that the person who made spamton and jevil crazy met them a long time ago 2a. Even if it was a long time for the darkners, we know time passes differently inside the dark worlds 3. King and queen seem to have met the knight fairly recently
@dragonlanceproductions6298
@dragonlanceproductions6298 11 месяцев назад
Look... its important to take stock in what Toby says... but I don't believe him when he says "Chapter 3 won't be very story focused". It just looks like there should be a lot going on there as; with the dark world being wide open and the opportunity for many characters to find out about the dark worlds. Not only that; but Toby also said that it makes sense for Chapters 3, 4 and 5 to be paired together; leading me to believe that Chapter 3 will at the very least end with a major change to the status quo.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
I agree that there will be a massive shift in the status quo for the characters. I just can't shake the feeling that the Chapter 3 is going to be where we get tons of background information into the Dreemurrs. One of the images Toby released shows Susie telling Kris in a teasing way that their family is weird. The important distinction between plot-heavy vs character-focused is that Chapter 3 will probably not get us any closer to solving the plot's big problems, but it will be an important subplot for Kris and Susie in learning more about themselves and others. It is not very likely to push Kris and Susie towards figuring out who the Knight is, and I don't see how Catti and Jockington are going to play into it either, since Chapter 2 signaled them as the next classmates for Susie and Kris to befriend. The thing is that Toby already apologized before the release of the chapter, saying that is weird and inventive on his part. And I do have a theory for why that is. And it does boil down to the fun ways in which he can explore characters and personalities through the entertainment they consume.
@pteroid11
@pteroid11 11 месяцев назад
My belief is that Chapter 3 won't be story focused...because Kris' actions took us AWAY from where the story is happening with what I think may be an attempt to make Toriel notice their problems. Kris ain't the knight and what they're doing may actually tip the real one off about why the dark worlds it makes are getting sealed leading it directly to us and into far more story focused 4th and 5th chapters.
@defect683
@defect683 11 месяцев назад
I actually watched a theory recently about someone also suspecting Ms. Boom as the knight as the places the knight has so far been in have been connected with Gerson. But since Gerson is dead, they suspected Alvin or Ms. Boom to be the culprits.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
Good to see that here are others also speculating along these lines! :)
@ART1984able
@ART1984able 2 месяца назад
Maybe "The Knight" is not a single person but PERSONS...kind of like in "Hot Fuzz", the older residents of the town formed a cult to keep the town "pure". It could be the same idea with the Holidays, Dreemurr and Boom clans forming a secret group to keep the town in check. I'm not sure how the Fountains would work into this tbh but I think you're personally on to something with Alvin's relations. They'd have a reason to create the Dark Fountains if they knew about them prior to Gerson's death and their importance in his story telling.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 2 месяца назад
I had not thought of that... That's a brilliant theory, actually! And it does help connect the dots between several other candidates. Plus, that moment in Hot Fuzz where they learn about the town's leadership is just gold! I think Toby could really do something with that!
@ImThylacine
@ImThylacine 11 месяцев назад
Wait, why have I never heard ANYONE talk about this option?? Brilliant!
@user-nk2pd1oo2p
@user-nk2pd1oo2p 10 месяцев назад
This is really interesting! I never heard anybody even mentioning Mrs. Boom before this video.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 10 месяцев назад
That's probably because there's so little to go off of, and as many people have pointed on here in the comments, there's more to speculate about regarding Gerson and Father Alvin. I think that could be a convenient misdirect, but we'll just have to see!
@TheElectricCheeseProductions22
@TheElectricCheeseProductions22 11 месяцев назад
It's hard to imagine that there's gonna actually be a day where this video either turns out to be right or wrong
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
We've been waiting for the next installment for so long...
@lasagna3289
@lasagna3289 11 месяцев назад
This is really cool! I'd never thought about that before at all :]
@gtothem1850
@gtothem1850 6 месяцев назад
If you allow me to both build on top, but also sorta argue against your theory; 10:16 I'll do you one better. If was this scenario true, Susie's would be the perfect heroine for it because SHE'S the perfect counter to Ms. Boom (If she's the culprit to begin with) because Susie and her family ARE NEW TO HOMETOWN, thus UNEXPLOITABLE. This, from a narrative perspective, would make all the total sense in the world if we take into account how she's placed WITHIN the timeline of the game and how the story deals with her. We know that Susie is relatively new in hometown, due to it she's completely alien to everyone and their relationships, which is partially the reason why she came across to people as odd and scary when she was trying fit in with her classroom before resorting into bullying; So let's assume she had just moved that same year. NOW, we know for that most of the people of HomeTown are pretty much devoted to religion, thus creating a connection with eachother through church AND/OR with the Church like in most small towns, so is no wonder how the Boom Family would know basically everything and anything from the town whether it be family dynamic OR personal secrets. If we believe that Ms. Boom is the one actually setting up the fountains for whatever particular reason, let's just assume that she does because she wants to create a safe HEAVEN for everyone to get along and live forever happy, something that sounds a whole lot like the nature from which Ralsei seems to be building up CASTLE TOWN for Kris and Susie; Then this would place her as a fantastic villain for the story already. Then throw in a whole new family that just moved into HomeTown and is completely alien to both the town and specially Ms. Boom, then you have a piece that does not add up to her puzzle in anyway. This family seems to be financially struggling based on Susie's constant hunger and her seemingly only wearing old clothing so is most likely that due to their poor life they really don't believe in religion themselves as for them maybe hardships is all life has to offer; With this your rule them out of church and do indeed create the single biggest opening in for failure to her plans when the kid from this family befriends The Dreemurrs and specifically KRIS. It is no secret that The Dreemurrs next to the Holidays and the Booms are the most devoted religious family of the town, so meanwhile this alone wouldn't make them a perfect fit for Ms. Boom to try and use them, Kris depression and human-nature as a DETERMINATION user, the key booster for Dark Magic that allows monsters to tap into DETERMINATION without "falling down", does! So how could Susie fit in all of this? As a completely indirect opposing force to whatever Ms. Boom might be working towards creating within The Dark World; She can't be exploited, she is hard to read for outsiders so she can't even figure out what she likes or doesn't, she's befriending Kris and allowing them to gaining motivation in their life which would mean Ms. Boom would lose her booster for her safe heaven if they grow too content of their actual life; And most importantly of all, Susie is a resolved character. Kinda. Unlike Kris whose character is just beginning and is could only be being used as a ploy on this scenario; Susie ALREADY had her character development from flawed to self-acceptance, with Chapter 2 just developing her further into being heroic in her own way and enjoying being a good person, rather than trying to have yet another break-thorugh story for her like Kris and Noelle are undergoing. Susie is literally in all ends untouchable by Ms. Boom unless this one happened to fracture their friendship in anyway, which honestly would make actually for a great conflict that involves all these three characters. That do being said, meanwhile I conceptually I like this aim because it not only would explain a lot of things about The Dark World, specifically the way CASTLE TOWN is basically built as an ideal community preferrable to real life where everyone can be happy, which could maybe connect Ralsei back to The Knight in the shape of Ms. Boom. Having Ralsei as a ploy device to lure Kris into The Darkworld so Ms. Boom can use their SOUL as booster for her Angels Heaven; That do being said, I can't say I fully agree on it. The way DELTARUNE was originally teased was through a luring mechanism outside the game itself from an unknown someone to US, The Actual Players whom recognized it from UNDERTALE, which is where the GASTER connection is drawn. Meanwhile Ms. Boom would make for a fantastic villain, I feel that the connections to UNDERTALE between the Entry 17 and The Darkworld are too loud just for it to end up being a fake-outs to The Player. Snowgrave as a route still exists as an alternative timeline when THAT WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN and yet it did because OUR pressence in the game changed the nature of this seemingly once linear timeline into a branching one. And we still have to remember that Kris is aware and sentient of us BOTH when we play as them and when we don't, with two very distinct personalities detatched to our choices and actions. I feel what holds me from fully blaming her as the one and true problematic within DELTARUNE is that somewhere there's still that connection to GASTER that links both games as their shared Meta has carried over into this universe and is shattering its nature due to our interferance. At best I'd imagine Ms. Boom brought with her something far worse into Home Town: An UNDERTALE-like entity; Something Ralsei could've hinted at with The Titans. I'll give you credit where credit is due, it makes sense since I agree The Knight must be part of The Booms, either they being Gerson's son or wife, due to their connection to Gerson's hammer and religious background. But I feel I'm in the skeptic scenario in which I feel The Knight will end up being an UNDERTALE!Asgore situation, where they're a villain that's heavily hinted at with subverted execution that they might not be as imposing as they sound (Honestly The Knight could very well be an allegory to a writer thus all their information towards HOPES AND DREAMS, and arranged realities could very well be the mere description of imagination. A concept that would drive an imaginary being both insane but able to abuse this nature). But the looming threath that is Kris during their Playerless state? Or the implications of what The Titans are? Or what we even know is an Angel in these games? Those are whole new threaths above a simple Dark World user, since they're Timeline Warpers.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for your thoughts and analysis. It was a fun read! Obviously, this theory doesn't answer everything. And if we take Undertale as an example, Toby layered the game with multiple storylines and threats building up to whatever ending you play towards. Deltarune is a game and world where our choices aren't supposed to matter, but it's clear that they do. Since we are only two chapters in, we don't have enough information to really pin down the Knight's true identity. Or what the Angel's Heaven is. Or how the Titans tie in. Or what about all the occult stuff happening around hometown, almost in seeming opposition to the church's presence!? There's a lot for us still to learn, and the theories that we share with each other now help us to prepare and look out for what is to come in the next couple of chapters. :) I've also been challenged to do another Knight video, but for that one I'm going to take a very different approach. Instead of hashing it out solely with details and clues, I will also explore some narrative consequences of different Knight identities. So, that'll be something to look forward to in the near future!
@magpye5623
@magpye5623 7 месяцев назад
Fun theory! I always like creative wacky ones
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 7 месяцев назад
Thanks! We have another one in the works about chapter 3 that could be totally off base but perhaps TONS of fun to speculate, and I'll really be looking forward to others' input on it as well. :)
@ofconsciousness
@ofconsciousness 3 месяца назад
Love this theory! What a great idea. I think this could be pretty cool
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 3 месяца назад
Thanks!
@saiurchin4124
@saiurchin4124 10 месяцев назад
something about Ms Boom finding Berdly dead after snowgrave sounds VERY interesting for this theory
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 10 месяцев назад
She could be storing the bodies...
@Emperor_Creeper
@Emperor_Creeper 11 месяцев назад
This.. actually makes sense! We don't know much about Ms. Boom, so she could be anything, but I sure am excited to see what's instore!
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
Exactly! I may be off at the end of the day, but I think we need to keep an eye on these background characters who have yet to show up but already have a felt presence and history within Home Town. One way or another, they'll be very important for later chapters.
@friskdreemurr2663
@friskdreemurr2663 11 месяцев назад
i definitely think Gerson's hammer was turned into the knight. i cant see why else gerson's son would say that one line
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
I hadn't thought of that interpretation. We've seen items take on a life of their own in the Dark World. You might be onto something there. Until we learn more and have greater context for Father Alvin and Gerson's impacts on the Dark World, I think so far the dialogue that we can find are meant to draw us to the Boom family and prep us for whatever reveals Toby's got for us in Chapters 3-5.
@Rouxlskaardneo
@Rouxlskaardneo 11 месяцев назад
The knight is monster kid’s dad
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
He's gonna be terrifying!
@GwainSagaFanChannel
@GwainSagaFanChannel 11 месяцев назад
Any of you guys of Camilles harem heard of 40k war hammer and in particular read the books? I personally really like the books since I am not much of a gamer but there are some really good writers of that series who write interesting scifi.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
I've come across mostly the tabletop game, but I've heard lots of great things about the books. That it's dark space fantasy done right. The Berserk of the TTRPG world.
@nikicherry1234
@nikicherry1234 8 месяцев назад
This is really good one. I like this one.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 8 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@2024...................
@2024................... 11 месяцев назад
Hey:) I like your theory!! It's very informative and well described and thoroughly researched but I do have to point out something (I'm sorry) So in 4:54, I thought Toby said that Chapter 4 was not story related?? Or is it chapter 3 sorry??
@chuckles2364
@chuckles2364 11 месяцев назад
It was chapter 3 I think and I think he said it was less story focuesd, rather than not being story related at all. I don't know though, I'm too lazy to fact check.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
Toby said that Chapter 3 will be less story focused. He's even apologized saying that he fears people will be angry with him because he's indulging himself in a bunch of fun ideas and weirdness that he said wouldn't fit well into the rest of the story. What that tells me is that Chapter 3 is going to be more character focused. There's no way he's just throwing everything out to be goofy and then taking up the story again in the next chapter.
@MoRPho151
@MoRPho151 11 месяцев назад
Is chapter 3. Chapter 4 he said that will be similar to chapter 1 and 2. For me that means that in Chapter 3 there won´t be any reveals or progression about the story itself. No knight, no Dess not any of that. But I guess that the characters will develop and have funny adventures. And since it will start with Susie and Kris alone, and with the advances of them playing in the pond and being in the dinner looking like very united friends, I believe that they will bond more, and maybe we will get to know them better. Actually, I would be happy to know more about them as characters that the mysteries... There is not urge to progress that much the story at this point.
@2024...................
@2024................... 11 месяцев назад
Oh okay!! srry, I rlly wasn't sure
@deceiteful
@deceiteful 9 месяцев назад
I mean, thinking aloud here, could it be possible there are multiple knights?
@isotetra1912
@isotetra1912 5 месяцев назад
possibly. who knows if the Cyber World darkners are referring to the same person as the Card Kingdom darkners when mentioning "The Knight"? could just be different people opening fountains for different reasons or something
@MoRPho151
@MoRPho151 11 месяцев назад
If this is true would be amazing. People have thought about most of the characters, even Noelle’s mother and Gerson Boom itself, but everyone always ignore Ms Boom. Would be the best plot twist ever.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
Haha, that's why it's been taking Toby so long to make this game. He's been reading classic murder mysteries and learning how to hide the culprit in plain sight!
@superlynx98
@superlynx98 11 месяцев назад
Man if it's the librarian that would blow my mind, but the theory makes a lot of sense 😨
@johanstenfelt1206
@johanstenfelt1206 10 месяцев назад
Hm, very interesting Theory, it certainly would’ve been one heck of a Twist, makes me look forward to the next Chapters even more, can’t wait to see who is right about the Knight. As well as founding out how these more Optional Long Running (seemingly, at the moment) Mini-Narratives, like the Shadow Crystals, the Eggs, Onion-San, Sans’ Brother, Napstablook’s Associate and potentially even the Weird Route, Any guesses for where you think they might go?
@dorkasdaydreams
@dorkasdaydreams 11 месяцев назад
Ooo, it's here!
@Berdly_Is_Breedable
@Berdly_Is_Breedable 11 месяцев назад
Berdly..?
@tysondennis1016
@tysondennis1016 10 месяцев назад
Alvin's name is an anagram of vilan, for crying out loud!
@emiliavalentino7226
@emiliavalentino7226 9 месяцев назад
I would love if at the end there were just multiple dark fountains in a single chapter st slme point
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 9 месяцев назад
Perhaps Chapter 6?
@nataliaborys1554
@nataliaborys1554 9 месяцев назад
This here theory is... Very Very Interesting. For real though, I never heard this one, but it makes a lot of sense, when you think about it. The only question is, why would she try to cause the Roaring? Afterall, the knight calls itself The _Roaring_ Knight (according to Queen), so it has to know about the possibility, right? And if it knows, it probably wouldn't risk it if it doesn't want it, right? I mean "whoopsie daisy I ended the world" doesn't really sound like a sweet old lady running the library, right?
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 9 месяцев назад
You pose the BIG question, and this goes for every potential Knight candidate: Why would they want to cause the Roaring a destroy everything? From what I would speculate for Ms. Boom, there are two big reasons. 1. A misguided move to try and bring back Gerson's legacy by bringing whatever adventures he had in the Dark World to the Light World. 2. She wants to deal with the issues in Hometown and has been driven to desperation. Neither motivation is a good one, and honestly a villain doesn't need to have a good reason to be a bad guy or gal. That is something that we are slowly forgetting thanks to the main stream storytellers desperately trying to make villains "more relatable." Toby Fox has already demonstrated with Undertale that while he can give characters personable motivations to do even horrible things, it's their way of thinking that can twist noble intentions into something monstrous. Like Asgore's quest for revenge and liberation, mixed with his own disposition towards peace: A stagnation filled with broken dreams and prejudice. Now, we should apply your question to the other candidates for the Roaring Knight and ask why they would destroy everything. That could be a fun video topic!
@StrawEgg
@StrawEgg 11 месяцев назад
That's cool but... I don't see why all that couldn't just apply to Father Alvin instead? The extra dialogue doesn't paint him as villainous, but neither is the Knight painted as particularly villainous (in the sense of malice at least) so far. Asking "...were you proud of me, father...?" is perfectly in line for opening up dark fountains and having doubts or regrets, wondering about the future. For a better argument, please read VGFM's "Deltarune Theory: Reappraising Father Alvin," which goes as far as to take sprite sizes into account, if you're really looking for small details that pay off later!
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll try to look it up and read into it. :) Personally, I'm not ready to back the idea that Alvin is the Knight because whatever adventures he was on and the worlds he encountered, already met a grim fate, aside from the Card Kingdom. Kris and Susie begin in a blasted plane highly reminiscent of we see in the Roaring. I'd argue that Alvin or Gerson already experienced the destruction of a Dark World. So, unless Alvin is really off his rocker, I have a hard time seeing him right now as the Knight. Things don't add up for me. But maybe reading Reappraising Father Alvin will change my mind.
@mattcatt1165
@mattcatt1165 4 месяца назад
Its unknown most of what Ms. Boom has to do with Mr. Boom. All we know is that Berdly has an appointment for her, she is alive, she has the last name Boom and she is unmarried. This means that its unlikely that she is Gerson's wife. She would either have divorced him and kept the last name or she is his relative like a child, sister, cousin, aunt, niece or mother. She could be anything her job is completely unknown just that she has an appointment with Berdly. Perhaps she's the principle or Berdly is looking for another job and she owns that.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 4 месяца назад
It's true! There's so much that's unknown about her. The main point of this speculation is to make sure we don't forget the Booms, because tons of context clues point to their relevance for future chapters. Father Alvin especially knows something! But pointing the finger at him seems way to easy in a game that has with two chapters pulled off a bunch of feints.
@sahilhossain8204
@sahilhossain8204 20 часов назад
Lore of Did Berdly Accidentally Reveal the Knight!? A Deltarune Theory momentum 100
@gabrielvicente9245
@gabrielvicente9245 11 месяцев назад
Cool video
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@trollbert06
@trollbert06 11 месяцев назад
ok, then what about the fact the KRIS OPENED A DARK FOUNTAIN WITH A KNIFE, THE SAME TYPE OF TOOL USED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC LIBRARIES PUBLIC COMPUTER ROOM
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
Excellent question. This would imply the Kris is the Knight theory. But then again, no one is saying Ms. Boom didn't use a knife to form the Dark Fountain if it was indeed her. Kris opening up the Dark Fountain at the end of Chapter 2 is a very peculiar thing. For instance, Kris clearly wants to cut off the player's control. And if they have the ability to remove their Soul and the Player's control, why bother putting the Soul back in after stuffing it in between the cushions? I have theorized that someone else is possessing Kris aside from the Player, but that's another matter entirely. But coming to the heart of the matter, Kris was clearly creeped out by the presence of a Dark World portal in Chapter 1. Chapter 1's ending threw everyone for a loop, thinking Kris was out to go and murder someone, but then we find out they just ate a whole pie. Could they have gone and opened the portal in the library in the hopes of getting Susie to go there? Maybe, but that's some way forward thinking for a character who is canonically goofy and reactionary, which SOMEWHAT, and I do stress somewhat, matches what we see them do at the end of Chapter 2. Still, Chapter 2 is plagued with the internet outage, a force traffic jam and the town getting isolated with a blockade, while also having anew Dark Fountain open. While we could argue that Kris did do all of that in order to ensure that they and Susie ended up in the library, I do think that is stretching what we see play out in the game. That's my take so far.
@trollbert06
@trollbert06 11 месяцев назад
@@camillesharem fair point, in that case, i would suggest teaming up with MatPat for this one, cause this looks like more than just deep lore, this is lore hidden so well, that it needs a lot of theorists, similar to the teaming up to figure out FNAF lore because it is so deep into the game that it is hard to see, theorist got to stick together
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
@@trollbert06 That would be awesome to work with MatPat. I think our channel is a little too small for his team to notice and advocate for a collaboration. But hey! Theorists can dream!
@thepuppetmaster4843
@thepuppetmaster4843 5 месяцев назад
What if kris is trying to find the knight, or even who the knight is
@Quinhala11
@Quinhala11 11 месяцев назад
Ms Boom is likely Gerson's daughter not wife, if she was his wife she'd be Mrs Boom not Ms. Also, she's probably not the librarian since if she was Berdly wouldn't need to leave the library to attend his shift with her.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
It's possibly for Ms. Boom to be Gerson's daughter and not his wife, but I'm operating under that assumption for right now. I have seen the arguments about Ms. Boom not being a librarian, that she might be working in the church. it is possible. But we know Berdly has a job at the library, and even if he was there in the building, he would still be late for his shift. And there's more to a library than three rooms we saw. Again, another assumption, but one I can place on observable evidence.
@riluna3695
@riluna3695 11 месяцев назад
@@camillesharem As someone working closely with Undertale's map to route out how a story of mine set there will go, I can confirm that there are a lot of "invisible" rooms and routes in the Underground. Things that would have to exist, that you simply cannot access due to streamlining for the sake of the game. It would make perfect sense for Deltarune to be the same way. I could easily see the librarby being bigger than it looks in-game. Though even with that said, I'd still sooner assume Berdly left the building. But we'll see, there's a lot of lore left to learn here regardless of whether Ms. Boom is the knight or knot.
@user-id3fc8qs7y
@user-id3fc8qs7y 10 месяцев назад
Deltarune is so similar to Mother 3... It is chapter-based, has the main hero's brother not seen for most part of game, the main hero had some accident that somehow triggers the start of story, the "mysterious" man that can activate the game's important points to reach their goal... I heard that Earthbound 64(it was called so before the targeted console changed to GBA) had main hero's father solve mystery in their town. Deltarune resembles Mother 3 so much... I wonder if Asriel is really the knight, because in Undertale Chara and Asriel were believed in as the hero who will save them. Also Asriel cares deeply about Dess, has very strong will and would do something like becoming Knight to save missing Dess
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 10 месяцев назад
Very interesting... An Asriel and Dess relationship that gives rise to the Knight. I think you have something there with that theory!
@user-id3fc8qs7y
@user-id3fc8qs7y 10 месяцев назад
@@camillesharem I can draw many lines between Earthbound and Undertale, Mother 3 and Deltarune. Earthbound - Undertale: - You control the main hero who is on another level of being powerful than your standard main heroes (Earthbound - Ness can fight his nightmares and absorb entire Magicant to become very powerful, it can even break the game's 3-digit HP counter because of that) (Undertale - Frisk has determination soul, can manipulate the timeline and it wasn't outlined that his soul is artificial or is from some higher being who can control Frisk through the red soul) - You explore huge locations and rarely return to them after solving their specific problem stopping you from moving further. Mother 3 - Deltarune: - Fourth wall break is clearly done between the game's world and player himself (Mother 3 - Lucas and his friends thank you in the end for helping Lucas out through his journey) (Deltarune - red soul is confirmed to be PLAYER's artificial controller used to control Kris against their will) - The main heroes become outcast after some event that damages their psychological state, their brothers are missing for the most part of game and considered better than main heroes (Mother 3 - Lucas was suffering from his mother's and brother's death, his brother was much braver and stronger) (Deltarune - near Bunker in Ch2 it is confirmed soemthing happened with Kris in that bunker, Kris always was considered strange and weird, his only friends are Asriel and Noelle, and Asriel leaving to college left Kris with no one to really rely on and talk with) - The locations for explorations are much smaller, are changing and reused through the game (Mother 3 - Nowhere Islands, ~20 story-wise important locations, some change for ~5 times) (Deltarune - Hometown, Ralsei's town, new Dark World, Hometown will change in later chapters) - Some mysterious person who can do something special that helps them to reach their goal, just as our main heroes (Mother 3 - Claus, Lucas's brother, can also pull Dragon Needles to wake up Dark Dragon and make it rebuild the world as he wants) (Deltarune - Unconfirmed person can also create Dark Fountains, which are going to cause Roaring(Ralsei still has enough time to be revealed as manipulator and liar) (connect the lines as you wish) - This mysterious person is the brother you thought was missing or far away (Mother 3 - Claus was revived and brainwashed after his "death" and now uses his ability to pull Dragon Needles to help his master to bring chaos and destruction onto the world) (Deltarune - connect the lines as you wish)
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 10 месяцев назад
@@user-id3fc8qs7y I see. So when Toby said that he drew a lot of inspiration from Earthbound, he wasn't lying! I've never played Earthbound, so it's nice to see it laid out here. Thanks!
@python9295
@python9295 11 месяцев назад
Just from the first sentence, I know i'm subscribing to this guy
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
Welcome aboard!
@lourdespachla6516
@lourdespachla6516 10 месяцев назад
BRO-ETH... I *AM-ETH* YE KNIGHT-ETH.
@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17
@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17 11 месяцев назад
Yeah but what would her motivation be? Why is she making Dark Fountains?
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
That is the big question. And really, for any Knight candidate, the big question is WHY! We can safely assume that the Knight understands that creating all these Fountains causes an imbalance which will bring on the roaring and doom both worlds. So unless the Knight has a very misguided goal, if the Knight is indeed Ms. Boom, my pure speculation is that she is trying to manifest the world her husband went to. Alvin says that Gerson's fans recently stopped sending letters to the family. I find that significant, because it could mean that the Boom family is worried about Gerson's fading memory and legacy. Compound that with what Alvin says about burying a hammer with Gerson as proof of existence, I see a potential crisis of faith. A lack of revenue from the books, anger, grief, the hope that she might find a version of Gerson, there's a lot of reasons for her to open the Dark Fountains.
@Goallpeashooters
@Goallpeashooters 9 месяцев назад
By causing the roaring she'll reset the world, bringing back Gerson.
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 9 месяцев назад
@@Goallpeashooters That's not bad reasoning! Ms. Boom is going for the Dark Souls best ending route: begin the cycle again and afresh by wiping out the old world.
@Goallpeashooters
@Goallpeashooters 9 месяцев назад
@@camillesharem full credit to Jaru, to my knowledge he came up with the idea of the Angel's Heaven being a cycle.
@brastionskywarrior6951
@brastionskywarrior6951 11 месяцев назад
This is a crazy theory but im still unsure about its narrative weight. She just hasnt had much set up so far, maybe this would change in chapters 3-5 as alvin becomes important
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
And you're right! I think Father Alvin will become more and more important as the story continues. The Boom family is riddled throughout the entire story so far, so I'm expecting it.
@StormCrow702
@StormCrow702 11 месяцев назад
You know, call me crazy, but I genuinely find the most interesting thing about this story is Kris. What do you think, are we ever gonna get like a solid backstory to how he met the Dreemurs? Or will this be another Frisk, leave it to your imagination situation?
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
Kris is a really fun character, with a lot more personality than I think most people give them credit for. My guess is that we will discover the history behind how Kris ended up with the Dreemurrs. The history of the humans is something that makes Kris uncomfortable, therefore a problem for them to resolve. As such, I'm confident we'll learn more about their backstory and how they came to Home Town.
@captainkawaii666
@captainkawaii666 10 месяцев назад
Not to be one of *those* people but *they
@moyai6618
@moyai6618 10 месяцев назад
It’s jigsaw joe guys
@sueflewelling3657
@sueflewelling3657 11 месяцев назад
great video ps you heard of the witcher
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
Thanks! Yes, I have heard of the Witcher. Nathan and Camille have played the games and seen all of the Netflix adaptation.
@sueflewelling3657
@sueflewelling3657 11 месяцев назад
​@@camillesharemread the books if so witch do you think is better book or game i think we can agree where the Netflix one gose
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
@@sueflewelling3657 I haven't played the games or read the books, but Nathan and Camille both LOVE Witcher 3, and Nathan has praised the books back when he worked for Barnes and Noble. So, that would mean that the Harem consensus currently stands at: 1. the games 2. the books 3. the show
@GwainSagaFanChannel
@GwainSagaFanChannel 11 месяцев назад
​@@camillesharemis the second Netflix season any good I kinda dropped it after 2 episodes since it didnt interest me as much as first season
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
@@GwainSagaFanChannel Lars here. I haven't watched season2 or season 3. Camille and Nathan have and they both really liked it. I personally checked out when i heard how the producers and director were treating Henry Cavill.
@Sanstheskelbro11
@Sanstheskelbro11 9 месяцев назад
Isn’t it kris kris is the one opening fountains why would kris already have a save file in chapter 1 before we even save
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 9 месяцев назад
Kris has been to the Dark World before, but remember that when the portal opens they back up afraid. Our control is momentarily broken. had that been a plan to get with Susie, that's some amazing 4D chess from Kris! There's a variety of reasons for what is going on here then: 1. Kris has been opening portals to the Dark World, but that was not one of theirs. 2. Kris has been avoiding the Dark World because of the incident with Dess or some other tragedy and this is their first time back after a while. 3. Kris is being possessed by a third party capable of opening Fountains. 4. Kris opens the Fountain at the end of chapter 2 of their own volition to spend time with Susie and set a snare for Asgore or Undyne to fall into. Really, there are other theories than just those 4, but they are the ones I've seen with the most in-game evidence that don't require too much of a leap. This particular theory was meant to encourage people to look beyond Kris and consider the potential in the many background characters, because even in 2 chapters, tons of hints about the regular citizens are being dropped! It's clear that Hometown is more messed up than we probably appreciate.
@Sanstheskelbro11
@Sanstheskelbro11 9 месяцев назад
Huh well that makes sense
@SSL_2004
@SSL_2004 Месяц назад
Tbh this is just the Alvin Knight Theory but with way more unsubstantiated speculation. We don't know who Ms Boom is. We don't know if she's Gerson's wife, or Alvin's Wife, or Alvin's sister (which seems the most likely honestly given that Gerson's memorial states that he made the stories for his "kids", which could be referring to his students, but more implicitly implies that he had multiple children.) Also the Knight was NOT the one who drove and Spamton insane. Seam EXPLICITLY states that the Strange Knight came "recently". The one who drove Jevil and Spamton Insane was probably certainly definitely Gaster.
@trollbert06
@trollbert06 11 месяцев назад
HEY EVERYONE, SPAM THE COMMENTS OF THE GAME THEORY CHANNEL TO COME TO THIS VIDOE!!!!!!!!!
@trollbert06
@trollbert06 11 месяцев назад
can't spell
@Atom_2212
@Atom_2212 11 месяцев назад
Deltarune fans trying to not overanalyisis every single line of dislogue and connect them to gaster or the knight:
@XJ-0641
@XJ-0641 11 месяцев назад
5:43 Papyrus is The Knight fans in shambles
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
There would be rioting in the streets.
@zalgo694
@zalgo694 10 месяцев назад
the deltarune community has officially gone off the deep end
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 10 месяцев назад
The water is nice over here.
@zalgo694
@zalgo694 10 месяцев назад
@@camillesharem agreed
@Veecy
@Veecy 9 месяцев назад
NO NO NO NO NO DAMMIT! I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO KNEW THIS 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@Veecy
@Veecy 9 месяцев назад
For context, I've been sitting on this theory for like a year and only haven't made a video on it yet because I couldn't think of a good title
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 9 месяцев назад
@@Veecy Hey, if there's anything I missed, feel free to add. Make your video and spread the word on this theory! :)
@Veecy
@Veecy 8 месяцев назад
​@@camillesharem After a minor existential crisis I'm back, and you're right. I do still have something to add to this conversation, and this video is exactly the catalyst I needed to push myself. Great video by the way
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 8 месяцев назад
@@Veecy Awesome! Let us know when you've uploaded and released your video. It'll be great to see it! :)
@Veecy
@Veecy 8 месяцев назад
​@@camillesharem Thank you, I really appreciate the support!
@sorayasayeh9135
@sorayasayeh9135 3 месяца назад
WRONG THE KNIGHT IS THE ONE WHO RIDES THE HORSE
@hafizmazuki2443
@hafizmazuki2443 11 месяцев назад
Hello, lars sorry for the radio silence. I been busy making my one shot manga. It's finished & published at manga plus creator under the title Alam Ghaib: The Unseen World 😊
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
Congratulations! I will try to check it out. Manga Plus Creator is the place to read it?
@camillesharem
@camillesharem 11 месяцев назад
Just finished reading it! Congratulations again on completing the story. It was a fun read. :) The pacing was good and I really enjoyed Bodas. I would love to see more of him and definitely catch more of him in action! I also wasn't expecting that ending. Hahaha! (no spoilers for anyone reading through the comments, just read the manga!) I would love to see more of how you're adapting Malaysian culture and storytelling into a traditionally Japanese comic format with some of the same tropes. That is definitely something I would love see more from your work in the future, because I think it's a real strength and makes your story standout in a unique, fun way. I do agree with some of the critique readers gave your story. Make sure that your readers can follow along with everything from panel to panel and especially with the dialogue. I got a little confused twice while reading. Keep working at it and you'll definitely improve!
@hafizmazuki2443
@hafizmazuki2443 11 месяцев назад
@@camillesharem thank you for reading my manga. I'll take the feedback you have given me to improve in my future projects.
@fandubindo1891
@fandubindo1891 10 месяцев назад
​@@hafizmazuki2443alam ghaib? are you indonesian?
@hafizmazuki2443
@hafizmazuki2443 10 месяцев назад
@@fandubindo1891 I'm a Malaysian
@mackcross7054
@mackcross7054 10 месяцев назад
Promo sm
@sahilhossian8212
@sahilhossian8212 11 месяцев назад
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