Looks very obvious to me that hes putting himself out of bounds intentionally. He steps up to the ball, stops before touching it, steps out of bounds, then picks it up. A kick returner who doesn’t know he’s out of bounds would either fall on that ball or pick it up and run with it.
The foul was enforced incorrectly by the crew. It is a loose ball play. K has two choices, accept the foul, and rekick from R-45, or the result of the play which is R 1/10 from the 19, as the ball became dead when it was touched by a player out of bounds. R 1/10 at the 9 1/2 is incorrect.
He's trying the NFL move. In the NFL, that at least WAS a high-IQ play. That's why he did it. In NFHS, that's a 15-yard penalty for illegal participation (as it should be in the NFL as well).
Regardless which way you're crew decides to enforce this play its important to discuss this type of play and make sure you're enforcing it consistently. I've seen variations of this play on social media at quite a few levels, for quite a few years. it would be nice to have some concrete guidance from the fed to directly address this. That said in this case it looks like the returner for R intentionally hopped out of bounds and then grabbed the ball, so I would support an IP. The official covering was in a great position and saw the whole play and the rule book supports him.
@@Motorfuzz read the enforcement spot for that again in the book... Articles 1,2,3,4a and g are basic spot, not previous. This foul is under article 2.
The player took himself off of the field by his own choice and then touched the ball without ever reestablishing himself good call imo, if he had one foot in bounds then it’s a kick out of bounds call.
IP, previous spot enforcement. Looked like R stepped OB intentionally. I think that's what was called, but the enforcement was incorrect. On a free kick, the penalty for a foul by R during the kick is enforced from the previous spot.
Why punish the kicking team for the ball not going out of bounds. Regardless, R1 was not forced out of bounds, he went out of bounds on his own and picked up the ball. You have illegal participation. You could also argue illegal touching since he was the first to touch a ball after intentionally going out of bounds.
If we're going by NFHS rules, this absolutely cannot be illegal touching. That's only for ineligible A players who touch a forward pass that hasn't been touched by a B player.
Suppose this were something other than a free kick. If A fumbled near the sideline and a B player goes out of bounds and picks the ball up while out of bounds. How would you rule on that?
It again would depend on if the official determined that the player intentionally had went out of bounds and then participated in the play. If they purposefully went out of bounds then picked up the ball, that's illegal participation. If circumstances brought them out of bounds (e.g., they were blocked out, they were pursuing the play and incidentally went out of bounds, etc.), then no flag and the ball would just be dead where the B player picked it up.
@@majulahagapao Which brings me to this: I think the rule about intentionally going out of bounds really means "went out of bounds on his own and was not blocked out". We know it's OK if he is pushed out and comes back in. The only other option (really) is he went out on his own. Intentionally or accidentally, who can really say for sure? In the case here, he clearly was not blocked out. Did he mean to go out? I think no, but you could say yes.
Here's the thing though. If you think R player did this INTENTIONALLY, then it should be 2 flags. There should be the Illegal Participation flag, but by rule it is also a Kick OOB. There should be offsetting flags, and a rekick.
@@brianharrison1055 who caused the ball to be out of bounds? R did. Not a KOB. When R is inadvertently out of bounds and touches the kick, then K caused the ball to be out and it is a KOB. The purposeful act by R is the difference here.
@@Motorfuzz K caused the ball to be out of bounds. The status of the kick does not change. 6-1-9 doesn't have an exception that says "unless R purposely goes out of bounds and touches the ball".
Because the NFL actually makes that a significant advantage -- in the NFL, that at least was kick out of bounds by the kicking team. The Randall Cobb situation JacobJake refers to is often the RU-vid reference on the question.
In the NFL, this is a great play. I don't know the NFHS rulebook on it.. but the NFL one calls the player on the paint as out of bounds so when he picks it up.. the ball is OUT OF BOUNDS.. again, don't know the NFHS rule... if it's like... these zebras kicked it badly.
I’ve seen examples of pro players lying down with a leg OB in order to reach in and touch the ball. The call was free Kick OB. I suppose HS rules could differ but if not then the refs definitely blew the call.
Wrong call. Not OB or illegal touching. Just a ball was touched by R.after R stepped OB and then back in to kill the play. 1st down R at the spot if touching.
if u call this illegal participation then when u hit the ball out of bounds on an onside kick should offials decide if it was intentional and thow more flags
