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Did High School Football Officials Make A Great Call Or Did They Ruin High IQ Play? 

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@mattcarlucci
@mattcarlucci 6 дней назад
Looks very obvious to me that hes putting himself out of bounds intentionally. He steps up to the ball, stops before touching it, steps out of bounds, then picks it up. A kick returner who doesn’t know he’s out of bounds would either fall on that ball or pick it up and run with it.
@ThomasCappelen
@ThomasCappelen 6 дней назад
When the receiver jumps out of bounds he is doing that intentionally. When he touches the ball he commits illegal participation.
@KevinTanzer
@KevinTanzer 6 дней назад
this is pretty clearly described in the case book as illegal participation
@markdaniel8740
@markdaniel8740 2 дня назад
In the NFL and college, it is ruled a kick out of bounds.
@HenryTreftz
@HenryTreftz 6 дней назад
Rule 9-6-2 No player shall intentionally go out of bounds during the the down and B) Intentionally Touch the Ball 15 yard Penalty
@briandow2974
@briandow2974 6 дней назад
This is a wonderful play in NCAA rules but not in NFHS.
@gatapride
@gatapride 3 дня назад
Yep, Texas HS uses NCAA, good smart play under our rule set.
@Motorfuzz
@Motorfuzz 6 дней назад
The foul was enforced incorrectly by the crew. It is a loose ball play. K has two choices, accept the foul, and rekick from R-45, or the result of the play which is R 1/10 from the 19, as the ball became dead when it was touched by a player out of bounds. R 1/10 at the 9 1/2 is incorrect.
@michaelfalkner1186
@michaelfalkner1186 День назад
He's trying the NFL move. In the NFL, that at least WAS a high-IQ play. That's why he did it. In NFHS, that's a 15-yard penalty for illegal participation (as it should be in the NFL as well).
@johncberger
@johncberger 6 дней назад
Regardless which way you're crew decides to enforce this play its important to discuss this type of play and make sure you're enforcing it consistently. I've seen variations of this play on social media at quite a few levels, for quite a few years. it would be nice to have some concrete guidance from the fed to directly address this. That said in this case it looks like the returner for R intentionally hopped out of bounds and then grabbed the ball, so I would support an IP. The official covering was in a great position and saw the whole play and the rule book supports him.
@andrewjohnson9284
@andrewjohnson9284 День назад
In the NFL this is out of bounds kick. Not sure what the high school rule is though.
@mattcarlucci
@mattcarlucci 6 дней назад
Covering official needs to put that flag at the OOB/Foul spot and not throw it 12 feet in the air.
@leonmatthewsiv1699
@leonmatthewsiv1699 6 дней назад
my first thought too
@goodmaro
@goodmaro 5 дней назад
True by prescribed mechanics, but if the enforcement had been done correctly, the spot of the foul wouldn't matter.
@leonmatthewsiv1699
@leonmatthewsiv1699 6 дней назад
Rules interpreter here.. 100% IP. Crew got this enforcement correct. Covering official needs to place flag at the spot of the foul.
@Motorfuzz
@Motorfuzz 6 дней назад
Enforcement was incorrect it’s a loose ball play, previous spot enforcement.
@leonmatthewsiv1699
@leonmatthewsiv1699 6 дней назад
@@Motorfuzz read the enforcement spot for that again in the book... Articles 1,2,3,4a and g are basic spot, not previous. This foul is under article 2.
@Motorfuzz
@Motorfuzz 5 дней назад
@@leonmatthewsiv1699 yes, and it’s a loose ball play, so the basic spot is the previous spot.
@logansenkier3083
@logansenkier3083 5 дней назад
The player took himself off of the field by his own choice and then touched the ball without ever reestablishing himself good call imo, if he had one foot in bounds then it’s a kick out of bounds call.
@DadBurl
@DadBurl 6 дней назад
It's high school not the nfl. Know the rules before you try to exploit them. Crew got it correct
@sanedude263
@sanedude263 6 дней назад
IP, previous spot enforcement. Looked like R stepped OB intentionally. I think that's what was called, but the enforcement was incorrect. On a free kick, the penalty for a foul by R during the kick is enforced from the previous spot.
@flowingafterglow629
@flowingafterglow629 6 дней назад
I know the rule in the NFL would call it an out of bounds kick.
@leviashton4782
@leviashton4782 6 дней назад
Why punish the kicking team for the ball not going out of bounds. Regardless, R1 was not forced out of bounds, he went out of bounds on his own and picked up the ball. You have illegal participation. You could also argue illegal touching since he was the first to touch a ball after intentionally going out of bounds.
@majulahagapao
@majulahagapao 6 дней назад
If we're going by NFHS rules, this absolutely cannot be illegal touching. That's only for ineligible A players who touch a forward pass that hasn't been touched by a B player.
@gdholmfirth
@gdholmfirth 6 дней назад
Suppose this were something other than a free kick. If A fumbled near the sideline and a B player goes out of bounds and picks the ball up while out of bounds. How would you rule on that?
@majulahagapao
@majulahagapao 6 дней назад
It again would depend on if the official determined that the player intentionally had went out of bounds and then participated in the play. If they purposefully went out of bounds then picked up the ball, that's illegal participation. If circumstances brought them out of bounds (e.g., they were blocked out, they were pursuing the play and incidentally went out of bounds, etc.), then no flag and the ball would just be dead where the B player picked it up.
@gdholmfirth
@gdholmfirth 5 дней назад
@@majulahagapao Which brings me to this: I think the rule about intentionally going out of bounds really means "went out of bounds on his own and was not blocked out". We know it's OK if he is pushed out and comes back in. The only other option (really) is he went out on his own. Intentionally or accidentally, who can really say for sure? In the case here, he clearly was not blocked out. Did he mean to go out? I think no, but you could say yes.
@JacobJake7
@JacobJake7 6 дней назад
Reminds me of Randall Cobb in 2012 doing the same thing
@DerekGreenfield-h8b
@DerekGreenfield-h8b 6 дней назад
NFHS Case 9.6.2C outlines this exact play. Its Illegal Participation
@brianharrison1055
@brianharrison1055 6 дней назад
Here's the thing though. If you think R player did this INTENTIONALLY, then it should be 2 flags. There should be the Illegal Participation flag, but by rule it is also a Kick OOB. There should be offsetting flags, and a rekick.
@mattandsharoncook6545
@mattandsharoncook6545 6 дней назад
Interesting thought.
@brianharrison1055
@brianharrison1055 6 дней назад
@@mattandsharoncook6545 I'm a MA official. That is the official interpretation of MA I believe, but it's at least my board's.
@Motorfuzz
@Motorfuzz 4 дня назад
@@brianharrison1055 who caused the ball to be out of bounds? R did. Not a KOB. When R is inadvertently out of bounds and touches the kick, then K caused the ball to be out and it is a KOB. The purposeful act by R is the difference here.
@brianharrison1055
@brianharrison1055 3 дня назад
@@Motorfuzz K caused the ball to be out of bounds. The status of the kick does not change. 6-1-9 doesn't have an exception that says "unless R purposely goes out of bounds and touches the ball".
@Motorfuzz
@Motorfuzz 3 дня назад
@@brianharrison1055 I’ll respectfully disagree with you. Have a great post season.
@ricknurkka5974
@ricknurkka5974 6 дней назад
Illegal Participation in AZ per our rules interpreter. I believe we have a play of the week on it this year.
@mattandsharoncook6545
@mattandsharoncook6545 6 дней назад
Illegal Participation here. He obviously has seen the RU-vids out there that call this "a smart play."
@michaelfalkner1186
@michaelfalkner1186 День назад
Because the NFL actually makes that a significant advantage -- in the NFL, that at least was kick out of bounds by the kicking team. The Randall Cobb situation JacobJake refers to is often the RU-vid reference on the question.
@mercdragons
@mercdragons 5 дней назад
Should have kept one foot in bounds.
@ronpeacock9939
@ronpeacock9939 6 дней назад
In the NFL, this is a great play. I don't know the NFHS rulebook on it.. but the NFL one calls the player on the paint as out of bounds so when he picks it up.. the ball is OUT OF BOUNDS.. again, don't know the NFHS rule... if it's like... these zebras kicked it badly.
@davidwagner1718
@davidwagner1718 6 дней назад
I’ve seen examples of pro players lying down with a leg OB in order to reach in and touch the ball. The call was free Kick OB. I suppose HS rules could differ but if not then the refs definitely blew the call.
@reformcongress
@reformcongress 6 дней назад
Go out of bounds, then the first to touch the ball, illegal touching is the right call I believe. Depends on the rules at that level in that state.
@coolrelaxingmood4847
@coolrelaxingmood4847 5 дней назад
Do what’s right, not what’s easy!
@jimhays9248
@jimhays9248 6 дней назад
Wrong call. Not OB or illegal touching. Just a ball was touched by R.after R stepped OB and then back in to kill the play. 1st down R at the spot if touching.
@loganpeters4987
@loganpeters4987 5 дней назад
if u call this illegal participation then when u hit the ball out of bounds on an onside kick should offials decide if it was intentional and thow more flags
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